Top 5 Problems GMC Envoy SUV 2nd Generation 2002-2009
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- These are the top 5 problems you may find with your 2nd generation, 2002 to 2009 GMC Envoy. If you own a GMC Envoy, know someone who does, or are considering buying one, you should check out this video! Andy explains the top 5 issues with the Envoy according to our own findings, and data from mechanics across the country! He also offers tips on how you can solve those issues yourself!
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0:21 Thermostat - P0128
1:27 Camshaft Actuator Solenoid Valve P0014/P1345
2:13 Steering Wheel Position Sensor C0455
2:56 Ignition Switch
3:31 Front Hub Bearings
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Diagnosed my problem immediately. Hub bearings. 👌
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I have a 2004 & 2008 GMC Envoy 5.3 ltr. This video is so DEAD ON TARGET with the issues. So far currently 147, 000 mile range but also near the 15-20 year mark on my Envoys these issues have arose already. The front hub assembly’s BOTH the sensors and the alternator. But if it hadn’t been for this video I’d of never known about the sensor with the steering position. That’s my issue in my 04 currently. The other is my ABS light in both envoys. Wish I could figure out that one. Thank you 1A Auto for your videos and you GREAT PRICES , Parts and Customer service . Most of all your time in making these videos because you put repairs in a simple and easy to understand laymen terms for us DIY mechanic’s.
I've had my '05 since new. In 144,000 miles, I've done brake pads (still on original rotors but got custom made braided hoses), suspension bushings (ball joints and struts/shocks on the rear while I'm at it), spark plugs (ignition coil boots, oxygen sensors and injectors cleaned on ASNU machine with new Viton seals and stainless basket filters since I'm in there) a radiator and a water pump. Electronics wise, I've replaced the rear CHMSL but that's been it. I've also been on top of all oil and fluid changes every 25,000 miles (engine oil by the OLM). This has been a pretty reliable vehicle as far as I'm concerned, even with the dreaded 4L60E that I've run nothing but TES-295 in since day one.
Great video , actually all your videos are very informative and help me through issues on my GMC which I love, but these newer cars ,they keep you on your toes if you are an oldster and your videos are great help.Keep up the good work.
+benzcrazy Thank you! We love empowering our customers and showing how to perform DIY auto repairs with our high-quality auto parts. 1AAuto.com
Thank you. Going to look at an 06 today with only 170k and CLEAN here in the Midwest. This quick list will be very helpful!
170,000 on my 2004 4.2 and 246,000 on my 2006 5.3l trailblazer. THESE THINGS ARE BEASTS
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Nice.
Lol k
pushin 210 on my ‘03 gmc envoy runs like a champ
I'm at 223,000 on my 2003 Envoy Denali and 198,000 on my V6 Trailblazer and they both run like they're new.
My 2007 Envoy with about 120K miles. The ignition switch caused fan speed/vent flow control failure among other minor losses as I recall.
Thank-you from Yukon, Canada, love your site... , and will order my parts from you guys, cause you took the time too do such video's :)
219k on 2004 4.2. Runs great. Only big repairs were water pump blew and gear shift cable snapped at 218k.
subsscribed. I have a 2005 GMC Envoy at 120k miles. He's getting up there, his name is Charles. I'm hoping to maintain this vehicle and get many more miles out of him..
Thank you for this video. Looking forward to checking out the other one and getting some parts down the road. Literally... L.O.L.
I found this video very informative. Because I own a 2005 GMC Envoy. And drive it on a regular bases 👍🏾👍🏾
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No one mentioned the rear air suspension going out and how expensive it is. They actually sell the kits to switch your air shocks to springs
U people are just the best.
Thanks for continously informing us
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I have a '05 Envoy SLT since 2006, got it at 19k miles and now has 166k. The video on the window regulator was very helpful and I ordered the part from your company. This Envoy has several problems but I want to fix it up. My kids grew up with this car and I don't want to give up on it. Problems: stalling/hesitation, speedometer and fuel gauges out, A/C intermittent, radio static, and needs a body panel replaced or repaired. Just replaced a window regulator and already had to replace the little plastic connectors on each end of the transmission shift selector cable. It's had not one but TWO water pumps replaced and had to get towed each time. But that was years ago. I want it to keep going!
I have an 08 Envoy SLT, the Ignition issue is for every envoy, even the GMC Jimmy's. The other issues that envoys have is they tend to get electrical shorts. They also get secondary intake issues and evap leak issues.
I've replaced my alternator and battery the battery gauges keeps dropping to 9volts battery is drained out what causes that
One thing I didn't see was the factory power steering cooler. I am up in Canada and have owned 3, 2 Envoy 4.2L and 1 Saab 6.0L, and all three had the same part rusted out about the same age (6 years old) even with annual rust protection oil spray. Out of the blue the power steering pump will make noise and when you check it there is no fluid. New replacements are much better quality and thankfully have never needed replacement again. I still have 1 Envoy and know where the 2004 is, both running great with 250K + , my 2006 besides brakes and tires has pretty much original everything under the hood, except Power steering cooler, power steering lines and 3 sets of wheel bearings, 1 due to stabilitrac errors and I did have a weird one where the truck would stall every time you put on the left turn signal. A bad ground connection on the firewall caused this by the fuel pump and turning signal shared the same one. The other 4 issues you mention have not been a problem yet... I am likely on borrowed time but this truck has been amazing and very reliable really.
275,000 on my 2006 Envoy. It’s not in great shape , but it still runs good ! What I’m dealing with now is the ignition getting stuck in the middle when I turn off the key…
The more you talked the more positive my opinion of you guys became, comments solidified my decision to subscribe,and I don't take things of this matter lighty,Thanx Carl
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👌 Best video by far for my GMC Envoy 07. Every-single-one you mentioned I had fixed or I'm currently fixing again. I swear I have watched soooo many CZcams videos about this car I feel as if I specialize in Envoys.
Anyways... Can you do a video on on the Throttle sensor unit? This seems to be a big problem for us envoy drivers. That and the door actuator needing replacement due to the air and heat not coming from the front facing vents.
And recalls on this car.... SO many recalls. One due to the driver door getting too hot and fires have been reported in the past. My door gets real hot itself even after I brought it in for one of the many recalls.
But... I definitely need a video on how to clean the throttle and/or replace. That's my current reading on my check engine light. I also carry my jump box with me because my car won't start probably 3x a week. Ugh.
Just yesterday had someone with a Trailblazer ask for a jump start. I heard it's an issue- wonder where the problem stems from?
Your not alone I have a 2002
The predecessor to the Acadia. My Acadia was 8 years old and the only thing that stopped it was hurricane Ian. I miss that SUV.
I have 2 other issues. 1 when the water pump starts to go bad. The fan starts to wiggle and eats the shroud. 2. The backing plates rust out way too early. This holds your parking break brackets.
I have a 2006 GMC envoy slt. I have 215,000+ miles on it. I love mine. I put some work into it but I'm content with it. This vehicle helped me a lot. It was well appreciated. Keep it up.👍🙂
Thx for the info! I’m thinking of getting a 2002 fully loaded forest green with brown interior to camp and hike here in WA state.
There is a significantly large yet unrecognized gmt360 (TB,Envoy) following. We need more of this lol
Your videos are very helpful! Can you please do one on how to replace a mode actuator on a 2006 Envoy Denali? I have air coming out of the floor and defrost vents, but not the front vents. I have located the non-working mode actuator, but I cannot figure out how to get it out to replace it.
My truck is back! Right on. Would you consider doing a video on replacing the push button for the rear glass release? Hoping you also sell that part. Thank you! Love your videos.
+Lindsay B We're always cycling through common cars. We'll add this repair to our list! 1AAuto.com
I think you just helped me fingers crossed I'm gonna get a buddy go over this video and my car cheers and thanks
Had my '08 for Twelve years, daily driver to Work for nine of those, and NEVER HEARD of any of these!
Five Cross-USA trips too!
+RedArrow73 Thanks for the feedback!
2006 daily driver still no problems at 230 k, only problem is I have to buy new tires when the old ones are finished
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I own one with 137,000 mile I bought it with 93,000. I have had to replace all wheel bearings. I am currently have to replace bearings in the front differential. I still like the vehicle. Michelin tires work best for me.
My mother had one. Absolutely best family car ever
My correlation code was the cam position sensor not a leaking actuator or loose harmonic balancer
Thinking about buying a 05 Denali envoy with about 145k mi for about $5k for a point A to B car. Think it would be a decent deal?
Thank you for the video. I have a 2002 gmc envoy slt 4 wd
2007 envoy 110k miles.. Let me start with i love this car. Ive owned several diff cars and it runs great. I have also replaced the ignition switch 3 times in the 8 years owning it. May have to do it a 4th..its a pain.. But i love this car and for something that runs great.. Safe in missouri winters and paid off ill take it as a small annoyance.
dealership for parts if you don't want to do it every few years
Thanks for your video, blessings
Themostat was the first to play out when he got the truck . He gotten it fix bout a month ago and now it saying the cooling fan sensor going bad . The engine light came on after we use the air in the truck .
Great vid on a pretty great (but not perfect) vehicle. I have an 03 Envoy XL SLT with the excellent 5.3 V8. 245k miles, gobs of power with my 4.10 axle option, and relatively good mileage for a heavy V8 beast. Have had ignition key issues (wouldn't shut ignition off and release the key), Front wheelhub bearings, and replaced most of the worn out steering/suspension. There's also a battery draw, could possibly be stereo/alarm system (I just pulled fuse), OnStar system (pulled fuse), short in driver side door (nothing electrical in door works except power locks, sometimes seat heaters come on randomly), and likely frayed/grounded wires in the troublesome XL hatchback. 4X4 isn't working, and there's a loud knocking under dash related to Automatic Climate control upon starting vehic. Other than buying someone else's electrical gremlins and uninspiring soccermom-mobile handling, I love it, particularly the modified LS engine.
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Check the frame under the drivers seat, ours was rusted o the point I could put my finger through the frame. Was and had been a great vehicle..
I found it informative.
Man some of the problems you guys are naming I've never ever dreamt of in my Envoy! Heating door issue what the heck is that??Over 276,000 miles & still running strong, except a cam position sensor code and upper intake gasket leak other than that she's great! I have a 2003 Envoy XLT with the 4.2ltr inline 6 with all the bells & whistles except sunroof! I love this thing and wish GM would bring it back with modern styling better interior materials and better gas mileage! I'm about to purchase a 2005 Denali XLT AWD for $300 needs engine and transmission but the body and interior are in great great condition compared to mine! I have a personal mechanic that can do the work very reasonable for me but I'm wondering about the reliability of the 5.3v8 heard they have lifter issues due to the cylinder deactivation process GM used. Is this a good buy for $300 also I can get the motor & trans for a discount because of my mechanic!!
I have the heat door issue one of the actuators not working have no feet heat and always defrost is on its a pain in the ass in the winter here in NH
Do u have video of changing out transmission to 05 gmc envoy
Do u know how to take out the pistons without pulling out the engine from a 4x4 version
I have a 07 envoy was wondering if I would be ok pulling my 20ft bass boat like pull it in and taking it out of the water???
Thank you, good information.
Could you plz tell me what fuse operates the license plate lights on an 2005 GMC Envoy??? Plz, I've been looking at my book & I can't seem to find it, I need help.
You forgot the Trans Shift Cable Bushing #6
+TRIBAL Hostos Thanks for the feedback!
Changed it twice haha
Just replaced mine on my 07 envoy denali
Griffin Brocco how do you know it’s gone bad?
@@classsycreeper Im guessing shifting becomes sloppy or non existent
I've noticed that the better the quality control in the build of a vehicle, then they all have the same issues when something breaks.
Thank You, Kindly. Great Video. 👍👍
Dear 1A Auto, I have gmc envoy 2007 when I tern steering while drive sloly I feel the car like jumping on humbs. I went under the car I fond cracks on the rubber of the both racks and there is a red oil on the gear case. Can you plz tell what the problem is and how to solve it. Thx
This car seems pretty reliable i just got an 04 v6 hope everything goes good lol
Wow. I have an 03 envoy xl for a decade and none of these issues! Drive it daily to work and back and it runs better than any car I have. Only problem I have is I left my driver side window down during a rain storm and now my entire control panel is out. Cant roll up windows or lock doors from the control panel. Obv I rolled up the back windows using those switches but now my drivers side window wont roll up and its 20 degrees! Uhh
About to get a 2004 GMC Envoy like this one with 5.3L V8...Do You carry the New starters for it? If Not, what Part # do I need? I can only find the V6 ones. Thanks !
I've got an 05. The ignition key won't turn all the way back to come out. And the headlights on turn on on hi beam. Any thoughts on what's wrong?
The actual problem that ate my head was the *gearbox*.
Renewed it twice, again the next year it will end up with transmission issues that need another renewal. Fixed it and sold it.
What head? Engine head???
And you are predicting trans problenms? Or are u saying it already happened???
I have asked so many on these videos about a problem I'm having with my 2002 envoy and can't get a direct answer to my question maybe it's because no one has had the same exact problem. But I'm trying one more time.
My 2002 Envoy has a little over 200,000 on it and until February of this year it has a been a great vehicle. But one day I was driving down the road at 55 mph and all of a sudden it was like I had no gas. At first it sputtered like it was running out but the gas needle said it had 1/4 tank and I knew it was not out. But I pulled over and sat there for about 10 minutes and turned the key and it cranked up instantly. I drive it about 5 miles and it happened again and I pulled over and shut it off. It would coast idle for several miles but when I pushed the pedal it got no gas. This happened 4 times until I made it home. The check engine light never came on. The next time I drove it was after the fuel filter had been replaced. It did the same thing after I drove it for 5 to 10 miles. The last time it was test driven the check engine light did come on and it said shut engine off. This had never happened before. My mechanic friend came and picked up and had it for a few weeks. The next time we test drove it it went further before it happened. It went 25 miles and this time it coasted for a mile and when the gas pedal was pushed it picked back up and it was driven another mile to his house. It has had several diagnostic tools hooked up to it but it doesn't show any codes. I replaced the battery as well as the fuel filter. But we don't know what else to do without taking it to a shop that has access to gm diagnostic app. I've seen so many videos and stories where people were advised by mechanics to replace fuel pump and after they spent a thousand dollars doing that they found out it was not the problem and instead was a sensor or some other less expensive part. Does anyone know anything about this or what it might be?
I have 2008 envoy, the rear defrost, not working check fuse 1 st? I didn’t see a rear defrost fuse listed is it called something else?
My 2005 Envoy/Denali won't release the key when you turn it off. How do I remove the console/side panel so that I can check the switch to make sure it's pushed all the way in underneath the shifter?
Really well explained. Thanks!
Just recently I got my oil changed now the dash is saying change engine oil....
In I got a new battery now its a clicking sound in my yruck
My 2002 4.2 has 251k miles and i finally had to put an alternator in it two weeks ago and a water pump this week. Other than wear items I've never put a dollar into mine in years.
Thank you very much.
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Sup wit da pwr steering inlet from the resistor to the pump
I have a 2004 Envoy I have only had it about 6 months. 147,000 miles. My transmission slips from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 but only when I drive it longer distances.
It doesn't do it driving around town?
I wouldn't think the transmission wouldn't go out with lower miles. ? Any ideas?
My 2005 gmc envoy 110,000 had a missfire I bought 6new spark plugs started running a little better except the coils were bad so I went to go buy 2 coils as I was changing them with the car on the car turned off. Had to have the car towed and now it’s cranking but won’t start. Anybody have any idea?
My new ignition lock cylinder will only go half way in. What am I doing wrong?
I've been having 2 major problems. The first one is major gas leak under the car coming out between the tank and frame. Next one all steering wheel controls don't work.
Don’t forget the dreaded front differential leak on the 4 wheel drive envoys and trailblazers. They leak like crazy
#6 power steering pump
You forgot the cracked exhaust manifold issue the ac condenser drips right on it if the tube isnt on or the shield isn't on the manifold allowing water to splash up at it and the insterment clusters go funky 4x4 actuator like to bust apart without warning and the fuel filter being in the tank! Big issue i own a 05 and the sending unit was from the xl
On my second manifold and need a 3rd.
I got a 2004 xuv 6 banger and my fuel filter is right on the side of the tank easy breezy. But the fuel filler neck attachment on the tank tends to crack
5.3 with afm on envoy has lifted issues
Can some head me in the right direction i have a 2006 envoy denali and the stabilize track is on my dash and i cant seem to figure it out .
2003 Chevy Envoy and I looked my keys n it, and battery dead so is there any other way to open it. And it doesn't have remote control either
I need info on where is the heater core located ???
I own a 2004 gmc envoy and there's something draining the battery I love this car I hope there's light at the end of the tunnel I want car back
I had the same problem. We bought a new battery an terminals and it fixed it.
I replaced my alternator a few weeks ago because it was clicking. Still able to start though. I took it to auto zone and they said the alternator failed the voltage test. So it may have been draining my battery Faster than normal
I've a 2004 n love it too!
I had the same problem. I ran a battery terminal wire from my negative post on the battery to the inside of my dash, put an electrical shut off they run in race cars and ran the other wire to the negative wire that originally hooked to the battery. I turn it off every night after I lock my doors…
Had the same problem as well and in my case it was the instrument cluster. I went through that sucker trying to figure it out. After what felt like a lifetime checking with a volt meter it ended up being the cluster. Replaced cluster all was fixed.
What about a orange wrench 🔧 next to a differential sign on?
I have a 2005 GMC envoy 4.2 that is having an issue with cylinder 6. It keeps saying it's a misfire. Well we put a new coil pack in there and put a brand new plug in it and it's still showing a misfire. Any clues please reply back
My 2006 GMC envoy denali rear access chime is constantly dinging. How do I disable it? The doors are all shut.
What to think about that
I have a 2006 gmc envoy Denali 5.3 v8 4x4 and I can’t find out what transmission is in it not sure if it’s a 4L60E 4L65E 4L80E???? I cant get under it to see it! Is there any other way??? Please help!😩
Key ignition done that too put a new one in couple years ago
Stale ? I’m what way rn I’m Jacinta problem where when I drive the car wants to accelerate more but doesn’t and the speedometer goes up and down and just revs constantly if I don’t put more gas on the accelerator
@christopher Zube im having same issue replaced alternator valentine's day drive for almost 48hrs then wouldn't start after I believe son left lights on so it was totally drained could t jump off rpms were off and kept stalling so we changed spark plugs and then of course needed new battery bc battery was fried now it's running but if I turn ac or heat on it stalled and needs jump bc majority of time battery will be instantly drained to point if nothing wrong not even able to get keys out ignition
Do you know how to fix a sunroof for it on gmc envoy 2005
My envoy has 225,000 miles, suspension needs rebuilt but engine itself is perfect! Not a lick ot dirt on throttle body, still gets advertised mpg or better 20 years later
Ignition switch on my envoy caused "reduced engine power " and gave a code pointing to the throttle body. Wasn't the throttle body, it was the ignition switch getting or not reading the correct voltage.
I just got that "reduced engine power" light on my dash recently during a -20 cold snap. Couldn't keep the engine running and wouldn't go above 30mph. Pulled over and let vehicle sit for like 10 minutes, started, drove away like nothing had ever happened. Had no clue it was possibly ignition switch until now. TY!
Thank you
I think my ignition switch is bad on my 03. It has 102k, on my odometer. When I put the key in it won't turn over and the driver seats starts adjusting itself instead of turning over. (I got my foot on the brake while trying to turnover) I have gotten it to turn over only a few times, it runs great other than that.
Mine has 250,000 miles the only major thing I've noticed is sometimes the car won't until I lift the hood and slam it and then it does. Does anyone know what that may be because the battery and alternator is good
Have one that shuts off 5 seconds after starting. Try to start it again only thing happens is the dash lights come and will not crank until a minute or two later. Starts up and shuts off again
Yo estoy teniendo estos códigos co055, po107,po621, U1041 Cuando la prendo falla como si no le llegará la gasolina completa a los injectores la apago y se le quita el fallo un rato luego coriendo se queda sin aceleración pero no se apaga el motor si la apago empieza a funcionar bien sin fallo y puede estar varias horas o días funcionando hasta que vuelve con el mismo fallo. Que puedo hacer? Gracias por su ayuda
No issues with any of those 2009 however, your 4200 exhaust manifold is a ticking time bomb if you didnt get the service bulletin.
Hi, I have a 2002 GMC Envoy. Today I just left work and it's accelerating all by itself to almost 2000 rpm. What do you think is wrong with it? It has almost 250,000 in it. Thank's in advance! Great videos!
+JR0CK Chillin We wouldn't be able to diagnose an issue like that here, you may want to have a local mechanic take a look at it. Thanks for checking us out! 1aau.to/m/Shop-1AAuto-c
Mines just starting to do that, what did you find out?
I own an 06 envoy and wen I start the car the traction control light and the traction control warning light will come on. Not if I shit the car off and turn it back on itll stay off. What is that about?
Just had 2 out of the 5 replaced last wk
I replaced my ignition switch myself after countless efforts to figure out what was wrong (replaced alternator battery etc thought it was a wiring issue) eventually got to ignition switch and when I took the old ignition switch off which was clearly the one that the manufacturer had put in the car because of the way it was zip tied into all of the other elements when I took it out I noticed that one of the metal prongs that was supposed to be inserted into the switch or whatever was completely bent down flush so it had never been completely plugged in or connected in general and it was just probably catching friction which was pretty frustrating because it was a big issue I had for a long time and I couldn't figure out what it was and to know that it was from the freaking manufacturers installing it incorrectly was pretty I can't even think of a word dumb basically lol
the headlights in mine won’t turn on all the time so i’m not able to drive it at night but the highbeams will work
Same here
It’s just the headlight relay. Just replace it, part number is 15016745. Happened to my moms envoy too
They should add a disclaimer, the first 2 items only apply to the 4.2 I6 engine, they don't apply to the 5.3 V8. #3 only applies to vehicles that have traction control systems, and equipped, which was a 2005-09 thing only. The last 2 items apply to all years and models. I would only add the 5.3 V8 AFM/DOD systems are problematic, and only apply to the 2005-09 model years.
+Toll Keeper Thanks for the feedback!
Been having problems with my 2005 GMC Envoy XUV sle, it has 394,000 miles and still runs strong... amazing vehicle.
The problem I've been having lately, is an occasional dead battery and all the gouges drop to zero and the battery warning light comes on. After a minute or so, sometime less, all the guages return to operating normal. Checked the battery, alternator, and even added an extra ground wire from the motor to the body.
Recently, I was told that it could be the ignition switch.
Has anyone else encountered this problem?
It is possible. However Ive also seen the cluster be the issue itself with parasitic draws. Had to replace one and also decided to add a extra ground from the cluster to the body in case if the original ground in the wire harness might be the issue and not have to tear it apart again.
Yes bout a month ago n it was very strange. Right after this I totalled it. I hit a patch of ice n went over a bank n couldn't get out. I loved it n I actually want another one bit idk now. I'm just glad I didn't get hurt or worse . Ty
Yes I have a 2004 gmc envoy slt that does that
Nice! mine has 254,000 miles, I hope to get it to 300,000
I recently bought a 05 xuv envoy. Came with a non functioning fuel gauge and light stays on. I've only put 5,000 miles on it so far. Bought it at 67,300k Miles. You got 300,000k+ out of it. That makes me feel stoked on my purchase
Bruh I have a 2003 Envoy SLE with 254k miles, the only one of these issues I've ever had was the heating one, the thermostat is alright. The groaning noise actually happened once, but if you get your tires realigned it usually goes away.