What Happens if you Drive with NO CV Axle Here's what Happens....
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What Happens if you Drive with NO CV Axle Here's what Happens.... - Auta a dopravní prostředky
"The brake light comes on. You wouldn't know that because the picture of the wife and kids."
LOL!
I learned this the hard way. Drove my 97 Ram for several thousand miles without them. Snapped 2 wheel bearings in a week. Replaced one and it snapped the second I put the truck on the ground. Eventually had to drop a new front end in it, don't risk it y'all.
Thanks and you're welcome- always great to hear from you!
That's right. His hunting buddy who was with him is a diesel mechanic in training and recommended he just pull the axle out.
So long the hubs remain in place, vehicle can be driven short distances. The reason 3hy I'd be willing to do this, is bcuz the driver side cv joint hub is usually stuck by retainer clip. So that will hold till its forced popped out. The wheel side hub is held in by center nut. Goes to say, if like me,, you can't get the tranny side hub out, but shaft axle joints are damaged, I'll remove axle and leave hubs in place, till I can figure a method to remove inner hub. Of course, it means the boots are cut out, and grease fully cleaned out.
This makes so much sense. Thank you. I just had to have a lot of this stuff replaced on my car.
I didn’t realize cv axles offer so much stability on top or the power transfer they’re made to do wow..thanks for this video man‼️
You can tell a lot from a mechanic when the split pins are done beautifully. Well done sir!
I need to replace my CV axle on my 07 Yukon Denali. Cracking sounds every time I turn left. This on my driver side ! Thanks for explaining
Thanks for sharing this. I was considering driving with the CV axles out of a Jeep WJ for a week while I wait for parts to come in. Now I know to not do that!
Thanks- I'm just glad he didn't lose/roll it. I love the owner of the truck- good people.
I appreciate the info!im dealing with a four wheeler but it def helped me
Thank you!
Good stuff Brian, thanks for the videos!
A while back, my 96 suburban needed both cv shafts replace, but it woulda been like $400 to get them, so i made my own shafts. They are essentially shortened driveshafts, with a u-joint on either end, and a sliding spline shaft (from an old junkyard driveshaft), with the ends of the CV shaft (procured from the cv shaft) welded on. They are ugly as sin, but both of them together cost me less than $50 to make and they still work, going on 7 years. And i dont need the fancy rubber boots.
Jon Doe can you make a video about it?
Jon Doe lmao well u just lost the functionality of CV axles if u ever saw a straight axle mustang that is generally how all the half shafts are rigged up.
That's crazy, and pretty interesting to see. Thanks for sharing Brian
Hey Brian, fantastic on the dangers of the loss of the front drive shaft! Two questions, what if anything, did you have to do to the transmission side the drive shaft and has anyone ever driven into and damaged a customers vehicle parked out on that busy street before picking their vehicle up?
Thanks for posting such interesting and informative videos. What was the cause of the cracked rotor? That looked really bad.
I fell in love with some of the lifted Subies that have been built over the year but did not want to deal with the shorter life span of the axles and such.Prime example here.
Very informative video. I didn't realize this could happen. Made me get to a bad cv joint much earlier. So we did get the new axle in before any bearing or brake damage, but the inner boot is puckered. What would cause that?
Hey Brian how do those abs sensors work? is it like a brush with a contact point of some kind on the hub like the way an alternator brushes make contact? Great video as always! I'm an avid viewer and I've got to say I've learned a ton from your videos. Thank you for taking the time to make them, as a young car guy I can definitely say you've helped shape a lot of my understanding of automotive systems and mechanisms.
my front axle was sloppy so I took them out and then went for a drive last weekend. wheel bearing hub lasted 5 miles and did the same thing. Abs wire was ripped off the hub. wish I saw this video first. two drive axles and a hub bearing was $278. tow was $75. blown weekend fixin it! just happy me and the GF weren't hurt! (axle nut torque is crucial here- too much or too little can ruin the bearing also)
I was told by a number of mechanics that I was safe to drive that way. My passenger side wheel, hub, and brakes came off going 70mph with my wife and kids in the truck with me luckily no major damage. Fixed it all since
thanks for all ur videos. love them all.
wow dude you have an encyclopedia of videos, every time I open up my home page there's a video I haven't watch, great work keep it up
I have them. I always use redundant support. Jack stands are just a cheap way of redundant support setup.
very similliar to a chevy blazer / s10 hub bearing :) smashing tutorial brian!
Let me say this, I work in parts and as a mechanic. If you have a 4wd truck and you lose a front CV axle, YOU WILL NOT HAVE FAILING SPINDLES! The spindle has no parts to fail and is NOT PART OF THE CV AXLE ASSEMBLY. The reason that thing is falling apart is because the bearings weren't maintained nor were the axles. The only thing that happens is the front differential spins freely since there is no opposing torque(unless you have a locker or limited slip diff). You can drive it in RWD just fine with no issues whatsoever. The 3 bolts at 01:10 are the ones that hold the hub bearing assembly on to the spindle which is held onto the truck by upper and lower control arms. The brake rotor is held on by the wheel and lug nuts to the hub assembly. That little 3 bolt flange at 02:57 is actually pressed onto the bearings and essentially permanently attached to them and is what holds the wheel and brakes to the hub. This is simply a failure of bearings that was not taken care of coupled with a broken axle. I sell these bearings all the time and I have seen things just like this with the axles STILL INTACT ON THE TRUCK. This whole video is invalid information.
you are correct, if you purchase a hub bearing assembly for that p.o.s. chrysler product that obviously has already had the upper ball joints replaced, for a 2wd truck, you would see the new hub assembly also has splines for a c.v. shaft. hub bearing failure is not related the the use or non use of a c.v. shaft. MYTH DEBUNKED!
If you don t put the axle inside the bearing, the bearing will simply fail. The forces applied to it are not correctly transferred when no acle is present, resulting in catastrophic failure, as the bearing will be crushed due to forces applied. Nothing inside to give structural rigidity anymore with the axle out...(!)
GliderDS nope. That bearing is held in with bolts. The cv has nothing to do with anything other than transferring torque. Has nothing to do with the side loading of the bearing. That wheel hub was failed before the cv did.
ImpenetrableSilence
Quick question. 99 gmc suburban.
My bearings just fell out of the cv axle. Can I drive with it like that???
as i commented above, there are different wheel bearing arrangements. and depending on how its designed sometimes that shaft actually keeps the bearing together.
This guys cv axle just fell. Mine won't come out with a truck tugging on it
same man
Figure it out?
Must be in pretty tight dang
i worked at a gm dealer for a long time and i know gm came out with hub/bearings in like '08 for like the 99-07 trucks that were for both 2wd and 4x4, they had the splines for the axle but the rear sides were reinforced so it didn't need the axle and nut to hold them together. but you could still get the other 2 styles, and the regular 4x4 one, said for 4x4 only, while the 2wd ones didn't even have and axle hole. i haven't heard if any other manufactuers came out hubs like this yet.
I tried that. Once. 2001 Silverado. Some CZcamsr did it so I figured I could get away with it, too. Decided to drive to town while waiting on new Axles. Turning into a parking space both bearings blew apart and shredded. Had to get a tow back home. Had to replace both wheel bearing assemblies, both caliper mounting brackets (the pressure actually distorted them), both rotors and both front wheels (gouged bigtime). I mean, those wheel bearings tore apart in a grand fashion.
They can make your lug nuts not seat as far as intended. They can create stresses to the wheel studs (leverage). Basically you compromise wheelstud/lug nut holding strength. The right way to do it is to get a wheel with the offset you're looking for.
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depends if the cv shaft is holding the assembly together. for example all toyota 4wd pickups 79-94 use what i would refer to as a full floating front. basically the wheel bearing is mounted on a snout, the axle shaft goes through the snout and engage in splines that are in a flange. the only connection between the shaft and the wheel is the spline. the shaft only transmits a torque. same for the 100 series landcruiser and everything before. the 3rd 4runner and tacoma use this type of shaft that rely on that threaded shank to keep it all together.
Oh wow you just help me diagnose my bad cv axle, my brakes were grinding and after taking em apart and putting them back together again throwing new parts at em 3 times they were still grinding, turns out my passenger cv axel was going bad and the wobble was pushing my brakes apart and making them sloppy in the caliper which made them grind. Thanks for the help!
Interesting thing- the splines on that output shaft were barely usable and it should be replaced. They got really rounded due to the inboard joint being so bad.
Was that a new word I just learned? Fershitzled?
Thanks for the informative videos, and keep up the great work.
Wow. That's almost ALWAYS a cracked tone wheel. I'd check for metalic dust on the wheel speed sensors and also check brake fluid level and pull codes if you have access.
Depends on the vehicle. You actually can't do that due to the taper of the hole on the knuckle side. The threads would fit, but not make it through enough to get a nut on it. One side is big and the other is small.
Thank you perfect video for what i wanted to figure out
That's a tough one. I love fixing these cars and hate doing accounting/billing. Another issue is I try to hook people up- so the price I do would be low and make it seem like EVERYONE is ripping people off.
Thanks
I remember in 2008 I was on the interstate heading back from Flight School and the Ford Ranger (only Rear wheel drive) I had at the time suddenly started shaking violently and the ABS light came on. I pulled to the shoulder carefully and looked up on my phone to see if there was a garage around (given I didn't have roadside assistance with my insurance policy at the time and couldn't afford a tow out of pocket). Found one that was only a couple of blocks off of the next exit which was half a mile down the road, so I carefully made my way along, keeping to the right side and running the hazard lights as I went slowly towards the Shell station.
Turns out that the cause of the whole problem was that when I had had the front brakes and rotors replaced at Midas a few months earlier, they had neglected to lubricate the tapered wheel bearings, and so what remained of the old lubrication dried out, resulting in the bearings rubbing against the rotor on the front right wheel until the bearings were ground away and the rotor was left grinding against the knuckle (all that remained of the bearings was a very thin fused ring about 2 mm thick). Surprisingly, all of that had been without any noise being created.
Thanks for posting the video. Always wondering what happens on a CV failure and owner's persistence to drive it in to get repaired.
That's good info. Thank you.
I've had a number of CVJ's go bad, after the boot tore, but despite driving several even more than a year on, only the noise and looseness reveals any issue. Obviously removing the axle is far worse than just driving with the old one until you either repair the boot, or replace it. And he's right, the Soobie bearing is going to be compromised without a proper torqued compression to hold the two sides of the roller bearings under tension. Outer splined hub is pressfit into the inner bearing race, so without an axle nut it could conceivably fail and drop the wheel. I'd worry about the uneven load on the differential as well, over time.
that means… i’m FREAKING LUCKY. drove my subaru in a remote area to go on some trails and noticed that an axle nut came loose while driving. previous guy likely under torqued the nut. either way i had to drive it like that until i got back into town (because phone service, couldn’t call a tow). honest to god i’m surprised it drove as well as it did. hopefully the lost nut is the only damage… will find out in the morning.
Oh wow! Sometimes rust and cob webs can be the miracle you need.
A cv axle popped out of my son's car...I'm still puzzled how it could have came out...the opposite axle did have a bad tear in the boot...and it was clicking but he didn't tell me that...could somehow the opposite axle locked up and caused this side to pop out? Something to do with the forces through the differential?
Serious play there--glad I fixed my Jeep ZJ pronto with new axles
I took my cv axles out last month along with front drive shaft and front differential. Everything works fine but the key is I cut the old cv axles in half and set the cut cv into the hub like normal.
just saw your video had that happen to me when towing my honda fit the boot came off what a mess had to buy new pads,cv axle, rotos dont now how the wheel stay on.
Question. My cv axle is busted Waiting for a replacement. I left the outside spindle with the nut still attached to the wheel hub. Will it be ok to drive like that. It’s a 2500 Durmax.
This is common. In these cases you can undo the wires out to the plug in the fender well and disconnect it there and just pull the wires with the hub.
Do I have to pull my ABS sensor out from the wheel bearing housing when replacing my CV axle? I have a Bentley manual for my Audi which says to pull it out a bit, but the sensor does *not* budge whatsoever.
In an emergency you can pull it out, remove the boots and the axle between the CV bearings. Then put the axle end on the wheel side and torque it down, then put the transaxle side in, then drive it. As long as the axle end is installed and torqued down the hub will work as normal, abs will come on. The transaxle end is installed to keep the dust out until you can get a new CV axle assembly installed. Hope that help someone in a pinch. Of course you'll only have a one wheel drive so go easy on it until you get it fixed. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
I don’t understand ?
@@howto-wiki8291 CV Axles are made of three sections. The end that goes through the Wheel Hub Assembly, the Center Shaft that connects between the two and the Section that goes into the Transmission. When you have one side that is binding and you remove the whole shaft the brake rotor on some models can shift and rub and then become damaged like in the video. In an emergency to if you remove the center section of the CV Axle and put the outer shaft back in and torque it down, then the rotor won't be able to shift and you can still drive the vehicle. However if your don't put the inner shaft section back into the transmission all the transmission fluid will drain out and then the vehicle wouldn't be able to go anywhere. So the trick in an emergency to get your vehicle back on the road is just remove the center section of the CV Axle and reinstall the outer sections to keep the rotor aligned and the fluid in the transmission. Hope that helps explain it better. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Leave the stub in, remove rest of axle, fixed lol
Ya diggggggg
i'm having same problem with an infiniti and i considered doing this and i'm so glad i didn't. i have new hubs but that would've put me back so far
@isaacdominguez3469 bro I'm looking at doing this now with my 2011 Infiniti g37x coupe. Autozone ordered the wrong part after I removed everything. Thinking it would fit since they verified before ordering it. I have to drive 600 miles in 2 days and I have a busted lower control arm which fucked up my cv axles in the front
I got a 2006 Infinity g 35x I keep installing new ones this about my 3th time and every time it keeeps breaking I installed coil overs still breaking I’m to the point where I don’t know what to do anymore
@@user-mq5pv3kr8i did you ever find a fix currently going through the same !😭
Good and informative!
your a cool as mechanic ! Wish you live in my area!!!
Wow
Thanks for the info
Question, can the inner boot not having grease mess up the transmission, and make the seal leak, cause I hear a nose on the side of the car that the axle has lost all the grease, a noise, and I think the transmission fluid was leaking a bit, the car is a 08 impala
I actually drove with my shaft out for a few weeks because the bering cage on the cv busted during a hella snow storm. Got under there and cut the boot out of the part in the diff to keep junk out then left the nut on the hub. Just leave the bolted end on. knock out the bering cage with a chisel. Then cap the end the goes into the selector.
Another good video. Thanks.
we had put on a new passenger side axle and everything was fine. i think it came loss. i drive it for days then all of a suddden i couldnt accelerate and when to put into part and it made a terrible noise. did you think if we could get the axle in all the way it wpuld stop this? please help mom of 4 and stressing.
I KNOW right!?
This vehicle has a male output to the front differential. So it's all sealed up and didn't leak or lose any fluid.
would he have been better off to disassemble the axle at the hub. leaving the axle part going thru the hub?
That's the recommendation i got. Think I'm too far past that point tho.
Yes just remove the spindle from the axle and put in to hold it
This is a GREAT VIDEO thanks You
I do my brakes on my 04 dodge ram. It has 4 wheel disks and when I replaced the rotors the first time there where lock washers holding the rotor in place. I never replaced them are they necessary?
Very good! ! Thanks
question j if the cv axle came apart, couldn't be have prevented the excess damage by just taking the shaft and inner joint out? wouldn't the outer joint and spline along with the axle nut kinda at least have kept it together a little?
Hey I have question about my car I just put my axle in an I'm having a few concerns
If the axle nut and the outer cv joint were helping in holding the wheel bearing together(from falling out),there will have to be another bearing on the outer cv side against the spindle to allow rotation.so no the bearing gave up due to the wheel spacers and took out everything else with it.
that is true. sometime my friends want me to work on there cars but I have no clue what to charge them.
After watching this video, I was like "crap, I removed the rear axles on my daughters 06 Vue because the rear differential unit was bad"......seriously, I was worried. But before I removed them, I looked up the wheel bearing part numbers for the same car with and without all wheel drive.....part numbers were exactly the same. So some cars use the same wheel/hub bearings for AWD and just FWD, so cross reference before you drive without axles. (my example is on the rear drive assembly on a 06 Saturn Vue)
Sleep easy
Hi I have 1998 Chevy express 1500 conversion van what kind of cv axle that are similar to it
What happens if someone removed the drive shaft on an awd saturn vue because they did not want to replace the rear axle and sold the awd car to me as a front wheel drive car (I did not know at the time) Can I drive it as a front wheel drive with no drive shaft? For how long? Ive put over 150 miles on it this week with no noise or problems,yet. I want to take it on a trip 350miles away but I don't trust it, yet.
couldnt you just pull the outer cv joint apart and leave the spindle and nut in place if the cv axle broke?
Love this guy,
Hey Brian, great video. Question, can a bad rear CV on an 07 Chrysler 300 affect the transmission shifting performance? Since my abs light came on a week or so again I notice the brakes are like you say not as good but also notice the transmission is sticking in first sometimes . Taking it in this Thursday.
It's a Chrysler
Brian on a FWD car if one of the CV axels was removed would the car even be able to move forward? I can't help but think without a limited slip diff all the power would go to the side without the axel. I had no idea that the CV axel held the wheel hub on. Once again thanks for the awesome and informational video! Lately you've been doing some great, informational, and helpful for the average Joe. I like that kind of thing because so many people do dangerous things without knowing.
Would the CV AXLE make the rim sway left to right ?
That amount of play is terrifying. Did a Cavalier front wheel bearing last week where the part that bolts to the hub and the part that is splined actually separated...the only thing holding it together was the caliper.
Did he lose a pile of transmission fluid with no axle?
Good vid. Very useful info.
I just saw an s10 blazer that made it from North Carolina to West Virginia like this. It wasn't going to go any further. People don't seem to understand that the spindle nut is what's torquing the WHEEL BEARING. Thanks for the informative vids with humor!
Answer me this on a front wheel drive vehicle, the rear wheel hub does not have a axle shaft to torque to. If a cv shaft was that important to a part time 4x4 that never is driven in the 4 wheel drive range then how do these keep from failing?
Different type of wheel bearing. Some wheel bearing hub assemblies for non-drive axles, without a spindle and axlenut, do not require themselves to be pinched together. Drive axle wheel bearings are mostly conical, and need the cv shaft/ axle nut to keep it together.
It's suspected to have been towing a huge trailer and getting the rotors super heated and then crossing an icy stream.
For off road and regular 4x4 use solid is the way to go.
😳 I never would have guessed! I would have just assumed that the wheel wouldn't have been driven.
This just happened to me. I didnt know it happened and kept driving.....my roter was onfire when i stopped.......how much did this roughly cost to fix?
Is there a good lift kit for 199-2006 Chevys that doesnt f everything up???
I have a question have a 1997 Chevy Tahoe 4x4 front right wheel locks up wen in 4x4 no noise or anything rolls with the wheel lock forward and Rivers and wheel roll back and lock and truck goos 5,10,15 feet forward or back and no noise and take of 4x4 and rolls fine any info can help thanks
It didn't snap- it popped apart- due to the torsion bars being so jacked up.
Yes! That would be the correct way to do it.
the things people manage to do to cars will always cease to amaze me
Brian, you sound like you cannot imagine how can somebody drive a car like this.
EricTheCarGuy encourages the cv joint to break and just fix it then. Sounds fun.
That's how this was. When I took of the rotor the hub just came right out too. No fluid loss. The output is male.
A lifted Ford F350 4x4 came in through the shop. His wheel bearing had failed similarly but instead of the rotor keeping the wheel on, it fractured and the centre of the rotor separated from the disc. His 38" tire came off the axle and mashed up the fender & door of his truck while he was driving down the street.
I have a Subaru with no trans in it, so I cant put my new axles back on. It needs to be pulled down the road about 8 miles, would I be able to make it safely of should I destroy the new axle and place the end back on.
+Chris Compton Bailing wire from two points will hold the centers up without ruining anything.
@Brian good video as always.
Brian, when you adjust the torsion bar, could you please make a video? I have a Dodge Dakota from that era, and the passengers side sits slightly higher than the driver's side, and I'm puzzled as to why.
Oh, just noticed you posted this 4 yrs ago lol. Well, do you have a video about this? Or advice?
Nice mailbox. If one cv joint goes is it better to replace both?
I have to get my boys on the front end of my dodge too. I think we'll try your death wobble cure as well as other front end upgrades, I just hope I don't have to replace the gear box.....I probably should though since they've adjusted it one time already. You think so?