Who Is Winning MVP if the Season Ended Today?
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- In this clip, JJ Redick , Nekias Duncan and Steve Jones debate the MVP race and discuss who they'd have winning if the season ended today? Nikola Jokic (The Denver Nuggets), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander aka SGA (The Oklahoma City Thunder), Giannis Antetokounmpo (The MIlwaukee Bucks), Luka Doncic (The Dallas Mavericks), Jayson Tatum (The Boston Celtics) and so many other amazing candidates.
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Jokic is lining himself as one of the best of all time and people don't want to see it.
more like they want to deny it... he'll be a goat... i don't believe in the way people rank from 1 to 10, etc...i don't think we can call anyone definitevely 1 or 2, etc... because positions are too different, how do you compare a steve nash to a shaq?... they help their teams in completely different ways... so i just have people as goats or not, and there are maybe 8 to 15 players of that caliber all time and i do not care to sort them into a hierarchy format
we'll see if he has the desire, he likes horses more than basketball
@@BC21beats He obviously loves basketball. He was talking to his team about wanting the 1st seed. He's a real competitor and you can see it in his game
I wanna see it and I’m a person
Yeah thats everyone not named Lebron
Well now it's obvious Jokic is winning it. He just destroyed the "best team in the league" for the 2nd time this season
shai dropped 36 against the cs and still has another match up with the celtics. stop acting like its set in stone already.
We might be saying the same thing about Giannis after March 20th 👀
Destroyed is crazy terrible night for the celts and we lost by 6
@@swish1457there is more to the game and mvp than points…Embiid fans still have a hard time accepting that to
@@jonathannunes3315 lol atleast you dum fuq Boston fans are 2-0 in moral victories against the nuggets
Jokic just keeps beating the best teams with the best players, he's the mvp clearly let's not make the same mistake of last year
Except for the Wolves who've done a decent job of handling him and the Nuggets this year.
@naivejeffersonian they are a great balanced team and plays both ends of the floor really good
@@naivejeffersonian But they have only played each other 1/4 times this year so far. To early to say that.
it will be a different story when the games matter@@naivejeffersonian
You say that like shai isn't doing the same thing😂 and oh btw he's 3-1 against the nuggets
Imagine Tatum complaining about not being in the mvp race and then having a complete no show against the front runner for mvp.
That commercial where tatum says recognize a generational player?
He isn't complaining though. Fans are.
@@tonyphillips4549the fact that Tatum says he belongs in the conversation is complaining... only boston fans believe tatum belongs in that race... just like only Boston fans think the C's are winning 💩 this year.
@@cjp1599 show me a clip of him saying that in a negative way. I have seen him talk about it being nice to be asked about it or be in the convo but never from a yo I needa be in that convo complaining way.
@@user-tx2vi4le7s very different... And Tatum is undoubtedly an all star. And it's a maybe for zw
Obvious for anyone who breaks down film. No one affects a game like Jokic. No one.
Update 4/1: Is anyone really questioning this anymore? Highest plus/minus in the league, highest efficiency rating in the league, continues to control games in ways that don’t show up in the box score… This is a silly argument for silly people now.
Giannis has better stats.
@@landonfrigault8096 He can have better stats , he’s not close to joker as a player at all , nobody would take Giannis over joker for a playoff game lol
@@landonfrigault8096tell me you don't break down games without telling me you don't break down games. 😉
@@alexsantaella4172good thing MVP is s a regular season award😂
shai is 3-1 vs denver this season
Jokic is MVP since like last 3-4 years . . .
Jokic is the best since lebron fr
@@hagenstormann2022and if he wins another title he’ll do something Lebron never did, win multiple titles with no superteam and no future HOF teammates (Murray is an awesome player but has yet to make an all star team)
Jokic fans are the most unbearable in the world. Completely disregard the other MVP competitors like Shai (or Embiid last year) that is leading in every key MVP stat like estimated win shares. Whilst also disregarding the skills of Jamal Murray, AG, MPJ and pretending like Jokic is the entire team.
@@benjaminfranklin2192just being objective here. Jokic was the mvp favorite thru first 50 games last year but in the end Embiid deserved it because he showed he wanted it more the last 30 games. This year, i know SGA has been great but he has no legit case over jokic other than voter fatigue. Jokic even beats him in defensive stats.
@@benjaminfranklin2192LeBron fans are definitely the worst fans in all of sports, but SGA has been the most consistent player this season. He & Jokic is 1 & 1A.
Nuggets reminds me of Spurs , when March comes they just go gear up.
been saying this‼️
Yh the ball movement and unselfish plays trusting the pass very similar to
I was calling Jokic a player in the mold of Duncan years ago; just all fundamentals and people were calling me crazy. Granted, they play different positions but they have a lot of similarities.
Nah when march comes, pop benches his starters 😂
spurs got lucky in 03 against mavs
Jokic is getting the Duncan treatment from the media. Would rather not talk about him than admit he's the best in the world
jokic's spin moves are insanely fast, if that's not athleticism then im dumb
He is sudden asf. And at that size it’s impossible to guard basically
you might be dumb, lol. Just joking. Jokic is not (basketball) athletic by any measure.
You're 100% right
Um, that's not athleticism bud ...lol
you are. Jokic is a hell of a player, but if you are trying to say he is athletic, maybe you should go counsel a mental health professional
Jokic is unstoppable on his own and makes everyone else around him so much. Aaron Gordon looked like an All Star last night
"Who you got for MVP?"
You mean after Jokic?
Joker is mvp obviously. People really just don’t want him to win again lol
I don't agree. He's deserving but I think Giannis and Shai have a slightly better case this season. Maybe Luka but the standings are unfortunately against him in his case. Jokic isn't the clear MVP. There's a real case for the other candidates
@@smgyro1476 Way tot back up your claims there buddy. What case is that?
Jokic is the MVP. You could argue that Shai has better teammates. Chet as a rookie is arguably better than Murray this season (his shooting and two way value makes him more valuable) while the other teammates even out.
Murray has also missed 17 games.
How can Shai be the MVP without ever making the playoffs in recent memory ? In 2022 Book won 64 games and averaged 27 points with a much lesser roster than Shai this year and wasn't considered top 3 in the MVP race. How does Shai skip all of these players (Booker, Tatum, Luka)?
Giannis came into the season with high expectations as he has a teammate who has been a top 10 player in the league for multiple seasons (although Dame has declined a bit). I think Dames presence takes some votes away from Giannis.
@@johnbarkley925 "How can Shai be the MVP without ever making the playoffs ..." Clearly you don't understand the MVP award. It has zero to do with previous years. SGA is on par with Booker, Tatum and Luka as an individual talent "this" year. And he has his team up there at the top of the league because of his play. The other guys all have a better #2 than SGA.
@@johnbarkley925 You could argue Shai has better teammates than the team that just won a championship? What kind of stupid take is this?
Even taking out the mental aspects, Jokic is a monster athlete in nearly all categories besides explosive ones (vertical jump, straight line running speed). He's strong (can't be bullied), has incredible hand-eye coordination and fine/medium/gross motor skills (translating into accuracy and touch on his shots and passes), has incredible balance and proprioception (which combined with his hand-eye coordination allows him to shoot effectively from weird angles and imperfect platforms), has incredible foot dexterity (footwork), has incredible body coordination to use his size without drawing fouls, in recent years has shown great stamina and durability (I think I saw he's played most games since he entered the league, and has been able to play heavy minutes and play well late in games), has fast hands for steals and deflections, great change-of-pace for his size.
And again, that's not even talking about the mental aspects of his game!
Hard to argue all that.
Also i think his streight line speed for a guy that tall is good he just doesnt accelerate that well
Jokic.
It's inevitable.
Not really, Shai destroyed the nuggets 3 times and dropped a game winner over them, quit acting like its set in stone, ydkb
@@swish1457it's inevitable.
@@swish1457 the nuggets were either missing a key starter, kcp or jokic in those games or coming off of a back to back when the thunder won
@@swish1457 Nuggets in 6 over OKC. Jokic is more impactful than Shai and the most impactful player since Prime LeBron.
@@jonathankidd3023you say that but 1-3 vs SGA this year… MVP isn’t a playoff award
Tatum just doesn’t have that dog in him
Tatum shows why he doesn’t have that dog in him every year and Boston fans still don’t understand why they keep underperforming every year.
yeah, I was disappointed by Tatum yesterday. He looked like Lebron in the 2011 Finals while Brown looked like Wade
Boston is all iso in the 4th. Tatum and brown change the way they play and go back to their iso bullshit. They need to keep moving the ball. Jrue holiday tried keeping it close but Brown and Tatum are still too selfish
Yeah he does, it's just a chihuahua
@@nydibs jrue hits 2 3s and then tatum has the most wide open 3 to take the lead and he bricks it lol
This was clearly recorded before Tatum choked last night 😂
Had to be cuz that conversation should be dead
Jokic is kinda becoming LeBron in the sense that he’s separated himself as the clearcut best player in the league but the critics have just gotten so tired of his consistent dominance that they try to look elsewhere to shower their praises.
Joker not only raising his stock naturally against this unwilling media that focuses on coastal teams, he's raising the stock of people no longer able to defend their game. Bird, Kareem, and Tim Duncan getting better takes now too.
I agree. I've seen a lot more love for Tim Duncan recently. It's nice to see.
Having Tatum over Luka should be a crime
Tatum is to soft spoken and his game shows it, hes not a dog
Why should it be a crime? You can't have mvp that doesn't make the playoffs, that his current trajectory
@@MrKeysjimmy Kareem in 75-76 waves his non-Playoff making MVP
@@TheMarslMcFlynice example from 50 years ago.
@@TheMarslMcFlyyeh so I'd say since 1980 when they changed the rule from players voting to media, Making playoffs matters .And although you don't have to be the 1 seed, winning plays a factor in voting.
Nikola is the MV3️⃣
If Dallas wasnt that bad I think this year it should be Luka.
However 8th seed is just not cutting it.
So I think Jokic should get it.
And Joker is a much better player. Luka is top 5.
Shai destroyed the nuggets 3 times this season with a game winner. Luka isnt even Top 4 in the conversations. FOH casual
@@swish1457 dude you're such a tough guy with your "FOH casual" and your "ydkb", really impressive!
Also it's gonna be Jokic. It's inevitable.
@@dvdv8197 Ill be back when he doesn't win fool. Nothing is inevitable
@@beng4647Luka is better than shainand it’s not even close
Tatum for MVP is assanine
I want Luka or Jokic to win. It's prolly gon be Jok.
The constant Giannis disrespect is ridiculous. There is virtually no reason for him to be considered a 2nd tier mvp candidate. First ever 30 ppg szn on 60% fg, career high in apg, the bucks have the 2nd best record in the east and a top 5 record despite all the struggles of the season.
Like you guys say the bucks arent a good enough roster and that Dame is fallen off and the bucks have gone through coaching changes(which the media somehow use’s against Giannis in an mvp race????) but the bucks are still contenders have the best starting lineup in the nba statistically. Like ya cant have it both ways
There is nothing Shai is doing better than Giannis tht says hes a better mvp candidate besides being on a team with no expectations. I dont have an issue with Jokic or Sga winning but imo the way Giannis is talked about is ridiculous its like people dont care whatsoever what he does because of preconceived notions.
Idk if you’ll read this because you probably think this a hate comment but tbh Im just disappointed. You’ve been one of my favorite new media guys since the bubble, and now idk if its the espn influence but u get caught up more in narratives now than u did before imo. Why I say tht because no way u also over her pushing the Tatum mvp agenda when its very clearly a forced narrative since the asb, I dont even think Tatum was top 5 before the all star break.
Literally the truth.
I agree that Giannis is being underrated, but Shai is averaging more points, more assists and more steals, on better true shooting % and a better team record. He is being better at many things.
Giannis still can't shoot.
@@Dss902Doesn't need to shoot.
@@joshg6030 yeah he does. He missed 17 fts in a single playoff game last year.
Jokic in his prime is proving to be one of the greatest to ever do it. The way he affects the game in so many ways puts him in a class of his own. If he wins another title he’ll be the only player of this era to win multiple titles with no superteam and if he wins his 3rd MVP his all time projectory is top 10 easily and maybe even top 5 if he wins more.
Jokic
I was about to place a bet on luka for mvp last night and then I watched a masterclass by jokic and decided not to 😂
Neck and neck between SGA and Jokic for me. Shai's efficiency and consistency this year is all-time great for a guard, and that's no exaggeration. He's leading a young team to a high seed, and he is very much the main engine behind it all.
Yeah it’s gonna be harsh for either guy to lose it, Jokic deserved another over Embiid last season. As an OKC fan I’d love SGA to win it, I think leading the second youngest team in the league to a 1 seed is incredible and he’s playing elite on both ends, the numbers and stats all back it up.
Doesn't sound like it's neck and neck for you at all. Sounds like you're arguing hard for SGA. You listed off all his accolades, and none for Jokic.
@@JakeKoenig I really wish the NBA wasn’t American so I didn’t have to engage in discourse with the dumbest people on the planet. I clearly said it would be harsh for either to lose it and that i am AN OKC FAN so obviously i am biased towards SGA. Is that easy for you to comprehend now
The last 3 mins of this is 100% top quality. Bringing in expert viewpoints, concepts etc., and making a big (valid!) case for all time greatness, not just NBA. Jokic could be up there with the all time greats, any sport. Talent. Great analysis JJ.
There is a statistical component to MVP which has 2 facets, simple counting stats and advanced metrics
Jokic will always lead advanced stats because of efficiency, Shai is a bucket getter who does a lot of other stuff well. I honestly have no issue with either guy winning.
But the dumb part of the award is that it is narrative based and people psych themselves into all kinds of silly votes. Right now they have that Embiid MVP in their head still and they look silly because of Embiids lack of playoff success. It isnt supposed to be linked but it is.
Will be interesting to see if voters feel as though Jokic is owed one in way because of the title and being the best player in the league or they reward Shai for leading his young team to a very similar record to the Nuggets.
So little media attention is paid to the Thunder and quiet Canadian star Shai, I feel like Jokic has the edge.
Joker showed and proved time and time again that great players prove themselves when it is most needed, unlike self-proclaimed stars!
Jokic is MVP 4th time in a row, and is now in top 30 all time on the GOAT list. Two more Championships with small franchise Denver and a few more MVPs along with his highest PER in history seasons and triple double March - we are looking at top five in GOAT talk in a few years.
MVP = Most Valuable Player
Jokic is the definition of MVP, he is dominant in individual stats while simultaneously making his teammates much better. He adds more Value than any other player in the league by a significant margin.
Good to see three guys that know the game come together for a banger of a podcast!
Put Tatum on the nuggets and they'd be fighting the Mavs for 8th. Put joker on the Celtics and they probably would be competing for the warriors single season record.
Cook
5th😂
not even close to accurate
stupid always hypothetical like dumb lebron fans
Can someone pls explain to me what Giannis isn't doing? His team is 2nd in his conference, and he's averaging 31 on 62% from the field which has never been done before not even by wilt, while also playing great defense. It's honestly crazy that he seems like an afterthought
He is black 😀😀😀
As a Bucks fan, it's not necessarily just voter fatigue. Unfortunately for Giannis, a large part of this is what everyone won't really acknowledge: he may be a freaky, athletic powerhouse, but he's been mostly one-dimensional. James Harden wasn't that far off with his famous assessment, and everyone has kinda always known that to some degree. Giannis' brand of basketball became boring to watch over the course of time, especially after the Kawhi raptors completely shut him down back in 2018.
That said, he is starting to evolve this year, and no doubt it's because of (maybe even at the expense of) Dame's presence. Everything is up, his passing has gone from fine to phenomenal. His shooting stroke is rhythmically trending back towards his early years, before JKidd was involved. He has been a real pleasure to watch this year, almost like his meteoric rise around 2016-2017. Giannis knows his brand of Basketball has been overly physical most of his career; to extend said career, he'll have to expand his bag (i.e. produce a reliable jumper). I'm looking forward to his next several years!
@@sholaabitogun2747so is. SGA, and Joel
I've been blabbing for years that growing up playing and watching soccer is why European players are so versatile in space (on offense particularly, but also on defense). They have spatial awareness because finding the open space is the differentiator in soccer. The Jokic/Giannis/Luka ability to manipulate the court map to their needs isn't new (I think of prime Tony Parker or soccer-lover Steve Nash), but the size and physicality of these 3 Europeans sets them apart. All three can score or assist at will, and sure Giannis' skillset matches his physical gifts, but if you watch them each play you see their anticipation and their awareness harkens to some shared euro-ness. Many of the public basketball courts in Europe have soccer nets below the hoops, and indeed kids more often are playing soccer than basketball. Those tiny, hard surface courts ingrain precision soccer passing and laser court awareness. Then when those kids try basketball, are able to use their hands and pick the ball up, well, what an advantage they have built in.
Jokic was incredibly passionate against the Celtics last night. He obviously cares about competing and winning. And he is skilled and disciplined enough to reliably bring his A-game when the competition is stiff. Some Celtics stars could learn a thing or two…
The case against Jokic last year was that he didn’t have a Finals appearance. Well he’s got a ring.
The case for Tatum is that he’s the best player on the best team. Jokic won his 2 MVPs after having the 5th and 10th best records in the NBA.
Jokic averaging 26 points on 58% with 9 assists, 12 rebounds every game. You also gotta include that he’s also providing a block and a steal every game as well. And he’s doing it on a team that essentially has 4 role players because none of them have won a single All-Anything.
Not to mention, Jokic just makes the game so easy for his teammates. None of the other top 5 candidates do that. Jokic wins his way, and that’s through the direct elevation of his team. What more do you need from the Most Valuable Player. The Nuggets don’t even break .500 without him.
Great thumbnail btw caught me right away 😅
Jokic has 3 more assists per game, which translates to slightly more points per game. His FG% is better, he averages more than twice as many rebounds, higher PER, higher BPM, more touches per game. Cause also remember what makes a player VALUABLE isn't just them by themselves, it's how they impact the game. Jokic shapes the game when he's not even on the floor because every team has to build their own game plan around him because any weak point he's able to exploit. He's not just a strong this or that, he's good almost everywhere.
Which play was it that JJ was talking about at the end with Jokic, Wiggins, and Braun? Wish I could see it.
MVP is not a team award, best player in the league should win it even if they are bottom ,luka is the clear runner
He is literally averaging a triple double and mavs are where they are cuz of him
Blah blah blah blah. If Jokic was on that Dallas team they would have 10+ more wins easily. Numbers aren’t the just of every thing. Jokic does all the small things that don’t show in numbers.
@@vincentcraig306 swap jokic for luka next season and you wll see the difference
@@hashirali9332 🤦♂️ ight here is one for you. Who YOU wanna play with between the two? Dude doesn’t even need to hold the ball in his hands the whole game to be effective. There is a reason that Denver just won a championship last year. Like who else gets a triple dub like every game and doesn’t even be considered a ball hog??? Jokic. And that’s insane!!!!!
Imagine if the Mavs lose in the play-in, is he still your MVP? Can the MVP be on a non-playoff team? Nonsense. There’s a threshold of team success one must be over, and I think a play-in team that could miss the actual playoffs isn’t good enough. 6 seed or higher is a must.
Heck they even moving to a point that Luka is a Harden lol And for Jokic…..no one. He’s different.
This season in the nba is awesome. I’m biased as a Nuggets fan- but the amount of all time talent in the nba this season is un matched
It's indisputable that Nikola Jokic's the best player on the planet and is head and shoulders above anyone else in the NBA MVP race !
Jokic is leading his team in points, assists, and rebounds. A team that is top 3 in the west and defending champs.
That team jokic is leading is 1-3 vs SGA this season lol….
Not to mention OKC #1 in west
Honestly think all votes should got to Jokic. His team is the best in the NBA and he carries them
The correct answer is Joker and it is not that close anymore.
Freak has a stronger case than SGA
But at this point for this season anybody besides Joker would be a mistake
How does the freak have a stronger case than sga?
I will always find it hilarious that the person who cares the least about who should be MVP is Nikola Jokic.
And that's exactly why I think he won't win it again (sadly). Everyone knows he doesn't care about the award, so those that get a vote are more likely to give it to someone that wants it and thinks they deserve it.
Jokic is a historically good unicorn. Prb what arvydis sabonis wouldve looked like if he had come to the nba earlier. Shai is insane at the point. Dude gets to the rim at will, plays 2 passes ahead of the defense. There has never been so many exceptionaly skilled offensive players, its beautiful to watch. Sucks Embiid got hurt because his season was peak post play and was MVP worthy.
Bringing up durant for that like 6-7 range is wild to me as a suns fan. Homie is an incredible player all time, but he is not passing the eye test this year despite still having a statistical prime season
Tatum needs to hit at least 49% from the field and needs to get his assists to at least 6 a game before he can enter the chat. Jayson Tatum is consistently inconsistent. Like coming into the league I was told his mid range is money and his 3 ball is streaky. His mid range has never once been a part of his game. All of his shots are contested. It feels like he can’t get any separation on his shots. When they go in it looks tuff, but when they don’t it’s frustrating. Like we get it your 6’10 and can shoot over a guy, but why not try to create space(without pushing off) so you can get up an easy shot
It's weird that there's apparently a gap between the top 2 and Giannis. I dont see why he's not right with them
Politics.
Not being able to shoot consistently from outside 10feet probably has something to do with it.
J.J. has amazing knowledge of the game of basketball!!!
As an individual this year should be Luka.
I hate shai with a passion. He’s like a small embiid with all those foul-baiting. But he’s 2nd in mvp for me. Luka is top 5 just because of the team’s record
@@sharkmanTV JOKIC is the MVP..
Its funny how MEDIA talks about LUKA not winning due to his seed instead of looking at wins by the player.
EMBIID had 43 wins last season...... LUKA Is about to END this season with 47 wins...
EMBIID was 2nd in the MVP with 45 wins...and people were talking about JOKIC winning the MVP with only 48 wins...
WESTBRICK got a MVP with 45 wins and his team without him didnt lose any game. ( he was shooting 42%FG ) the lowest ever for a MVP in the modern ERA.
@@sharkmanTVyou can have your opinion. Not trying to change it but there is definitely a difference in how embiid and Shai get to the line. Shais hesitation and off beat movements put defenders in the position to get caught fouling. Embiid acts like he weighs 50 pounds
@@sharkmanTVyou know if take FTs away he’s still top 2 in scoring right ? It’s a tiring narrative
@@sharkmanTValso tell Luka to play defense
No doubt SGA is great this year BUT Jokic is by far the most deserving AGAIN this year. He is just so damn good that a stat line like 35/15/11 with 60-65% ts from him is not even being discussed at all. That’s just bonkers. He is one of a kind and best right now man
Luka has been averaging that since the all star game ain’t nobody talking about that
I think it'll be whoever is the higher seed in the west between SGA and Jokic. Tatum gets an honorable mention because the Celtics are dominating but I dont think he himself has been as dominant as those two have been.
Gil Alexander has a slight advantage cause of how young he is, his size, his team is really young as well, and they came from play in last year to 1st and 2nd seed for the most part of the year
Jokic
Giannis
Shai
Luka (only if better record)
If Luka has a better record he’s over both Shai and Giannis lmao
@@isakmaaan0326 could agree on that take
It’s Jokic or Giannis
Story of the last 5 years 😂
SGA must had died or sum
Any guesses on what Jokic's text is? My guess would be "Hey guys wanna have dinner together after we win?"
No i know for certain that he sends them threat that they will be traded if they don't start to hit open shots
They say people will default to Jokic just because he's a sure bet to do well, which is true, but at the same time there's clearly some fatigue going on with them and wanting to give SGA the vote
Definitely not the guy who is being left open for a 3 in clutch time (Tatum).
Are you sure?but he can't hit an open 3 to lead vs the nuggets..in crunch time
It's Jokic // Luka // Shai // Giannis // Tatum and if Embiid wouldn't get hurt he would have spot two probably. But Luka is putting up a historical season so far and everyone just hating him for his bad team
Jokic is basketball excellence.
Jokic is like a real life myplayer if he doesn’t win it then it’s nonsense
Why cause he almost average ah triple double russ did that 4 times shai should win plus what's jokic record vs shai this yr since he dominated all the top teams
2:20 those are probably the all nba first team this year LOL
The mvp he was gifted when he was 20 games behind first place ruined the conversation imo. This is a year he might actually deserve it if he finishes strong and keeps winning
Do u know how dangerous it is for for a 7ft guy 2 jump high every night like if jokic was jumping high every night he would probably b very injury prone like the fact that jokic doesn’t jump high is probably the reason he hasn’t had any major leg injuries in his career, he’s smart he knows how 2 position himself for rebounds and can finish anywhere around the rim he doesn’t need 2 jump high.
why did you repost this ?
it has never been close but of course the fence sitter jj redick had to support his buddy joel “30 free throws a game” embiied every year until he couldnt
Does someone have video JJ talks about 16:06
JOKIC is the MVP..
Its funny how MEDIA talks about LUKA not winning due to his seed instead of looking at wins by the player.
EMBIID had 43 wins last season...... LUKA Is about to END this season with 47 wins...
EMBIID was 2nd in the MVP with 45 wins...and people were talking about JOKIC winning the MVP with only 48 wins...
WESTBRICK got a MVP with 45 wins and his team without him didnt lose any game. ( he was shooting 42%FG ) the lowest ever for a MVP in the modern ERA.
Media thinks they need the “maybe this guy?, maybe this guy?” to live each day. Jokic makes it not fun for the media. No player in the league does for his team like he does. Dude could easily win it for the next five years straight.
😀😀😀😀
jokic
Shai. He has team impact and individual skill. Thunder is #2/1 in the West (higher than Nuggs) with a team of rookies (look at anyone else's cast). There's no question.
That said, Jokic is amazing!
Nuggets just smacked the ‘best team in the league’ for the 2nd time this season and Jokic dropped a 30pt triple double while tatum stunk up the entire arena. Tatum is not in the convo.
And nuggets 1-3 vs OKC..
What argument does Shai have over Giannis
Absolutely NONE
He can hit his free throws. The only reason either of these players is in the mvp conversation is bc they are both free throw merchants
Their team has a better record with less experience, SGA leads league in steals, total points, PER, is one of the most efficient guards in terms of fg % and turnovers, can actually shoot the ball and not just get dunks and layups, he can actually hit free throws as well.
@@nydibsgoogle rebounding and defense
@@BestShootermanUbz dunks and layups are better than jumpers…
All the advanced stats have 4 of these guys consistently in the top 5-6 & Tatum usually falling out of the top 10....Player Efficiency rating usually is the biggest predictor & Tatums 16th
Tatum is very clearly being forced into the conversation by the media and his whining
PER is garbage, not an advanced stats. The simplest advanced stats are WS/48 and Box +/-.
@@natevanderw PER had predicted every MVP for 7 years until Jokic got robbed last year, it has him #1 again & WS/48 also has Jokic on top & Tatum at #15
@@natevanderwPER is better than both WS/48 and Box +/-
PER puts too much of an emphasis on mpg. Put Luka at the same minutes as Jokic and Shai and he leads the league. But because he’s on a worse team he has to play more and therefore his PER looks bad because of it
Its either Jokic or Luka. If you care a lot about the team record Jokic is the MVP. If you care about the best individual performances, It is Luka.
Jokic Jokic and Jokic.
It's Jokic's MVP to lose for sure. After him I think Luka, SGA and Giannis are pretty interchangeable, and then you can put Tatum at 5.
Tatum gets a lot of disrespect, but he truly is the best player on the best team. He has it a lot different than the other MVP candidates because he's playing in the best lineup in the league by far. That means there isn't as much pressure (or volume) on him as opposed to the other candidates. Tatum can put up 18/8/5 and play solid defense while others on his team take on more of a scoring role, and people will rag on Tatum for having a bad game. He said himself yesterday that he doesn't want to be a selfish player who makes it all about him, and I don't hate that answer, but he does have to say F it and just take over games as the best player on the team at times. That's what is separating him the most from the other guys.
please explain this :D ....................................................................... Luka Dončić this season:
• 34/9/10
• 1st in points
• 2nd in assists
• 73 point game (4th highest ever)
• First 33/9/9 season in NBA history
• Most 30-PT TD’s since MVP Russ
• 1st in 25-point games
• 1st in 35-point games
• 1st in 40-point games
• 1st in 45-point games
• 2nd in 3’s made
• Top 10 in steals
• 61.7% TS
• Highest scoring season in Mavs history
• Most PPG + RPG + APG since the merger.
• Most consecutive 25 point triple-doubles ever
• Most consecutive 30 point triple-doubles ever
• Lifted Mavs from 11 seed to 5 seed
• Most games missed by teammates among all playoff teams
• Mavs 50+ wins
• Mavs 1st in clutch win%
• 6th best record in entire NBA ..........
what discussion is needed ????????!
While I lean towards Jokic, people arent appreciating what SGA is doing with OKC. They arent supposed to perform that well!! They are at least 2 Years ahead of their schedule, and he is such a huge part of it.
Chet is a rookie. JDub is a sophomore. The second youngest team in the NBA as far as minutes played I think
They really exceeded my expectations, it wouldn't be fair for SGA to not win the MVP if OKC is the number 1 seed
Jokic but SGA has a compelling case as well
I remember people saying voter fatigue is why LeBron didn’t win more but that hasn’t been a conversation with Joker yet. Joker is probably winning it, deservedly though.
What people don’t understand is that basketball is a rhythm sport, you don’t have to be agile or fast, just take the defender on the wrong foot. That’s why CP3 is a good player in his late 30s!
JJ is right, Tatum is having a sick season. He was sick last night, for sure. 😂😂🤣🤣
It's called Most Valuable Player, how "valuable" are you to your team? What's your contribution? How good or bad is your team with AND without you? I think that's what the discussion should be.
Jokic, Shai and Giannis have solid claims, Luka is the dark horse, no one else is close. Another interesting question therefore is: who will be number five on the all nba first team? KD, Kawhi, LeBron, Tatum? Or can Ant show he belongs in the coming weeks/months without KAT?
Sometimes it comes down to the eye test. SGA has been amazing and easily is ahead of everyone but Luka and Jokic but Jokic is trying to go down as one of the best ever. What he's doing to teams every night offensively is nothing I've ever seen. People overuse unstoppable but there truly isn't a way to stop Jokic from dominating
how can there be a dispute for jokic as the BY FAR best player? who rivals him? i cannot see anybody for a mile
If Ant keeps MN #1 seed with Kat down going into playoffs, he should get serious MVP consideration.
ANT is very near #3 now in MVP should be !!! lets see how he go without KAT !!! :)))
Yeah but Kat help them all year to get #1 seed.
Sure, at around #10. At 26.4ppg, he's not going to be in the actual conversation. Same with Kawhi, unless you are almost averaging a triple double like Jokic, you aren't in the race unless you are over 30ppg.
@@hestilllives192 nah, we play 90’s ball over here. Too cold🤌. Stay in Miami
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Lukas definitely #1 since all star. Yall are wild lol his numbers beat everyone’s and it’s not even close
Man. Jokic man.
replacing Tommy with these dudes who know the game was a great decision
Couldn’t disagree more, bad move they suck
As soon as I started the video, I would have bet a million dollars that the two guys on the right would argue for SGA to be the MVP over Jokic. You could tell they were sick of JJ talking about Jokic so much there at the end. The predictability of certain demographics is almost comical at this point.
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With all due respect to Jokic, Shai for me rn bcos nobody even thought that OKC will be a top 4 seed let alone be number 1. He's their engine and plays on both sides of the ball as well. Shai also leads the league in 30pt games that ppl have called it "death, taxes and Shai dropping 30"
If SGA and Jokic continue their dominance whoever finishes the higher seed should get MVP. I hope there is no BS in the votes, some of the time the MVP stands for “Media’s Valuable player”
I think what luka is doing right now is more impressive, personally. Yes, the nuggets are winning more, but they havent had an injury that lasted long for their 2nd best player like the mavs did. If kyrie didnt miss roughly 20 games this season, the mavs would def have more wins and i think luka would be a lock at this present time to win the mvp. Obviously, that is not the case.