How HISTORIC Has Nikola Jokić’s Current MVP Season Actually Been?
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Those who live only to satisfy their own sinful nature will harvest decay and death from that sinful nature. But those who live to please the Spirit will harvest everlasting life from the Spirit. -Galatians 6:8
Is this a reference to Jokic's humility as player and international Star? ✨
Or, are you just getting evangelical with things??? A real question. No shade on the answer either way! But I'm curious 🤔✌️
@@mattreynolds612 Thanks for the comment. It's the latter.
Huh thanks for reminding me to block your channel from my recommendations.
@@halfcourtreport Thx for the reply! The former also applies IMHO. Take care. 👍✌
MVP4! Robbed for one last year ☝️
Racism was on goat move that year
We have to talk about him being one of the GOATs. When he finishes his career, we will talk about him being the most complete player ever.
Not that simple. To be in the goat convo, one must have a minimum of 3 championships as the no 1 or no 2 option just because every other person in the goat convo does (exception being wilt) so he reallys needs this season's championship if he ever wants to be in the goat convo.
@@prajwalkrishnabhat5539 not really , he could easily win 2 more before he retires. Given his playstyle he would be an effective number one option late into his career
@@merlinbotha363 hope that's true but if he wins it this season that back to back narrative along with his mvps might already be enough to put him in the goat convo.
@@prajwalkrishnabhat5539 right now he isn't, I completely agree, but I have a problem with people who say if Jokic wins another championship with finals MVP and regular season MVP he is clearly top 20 or top 25... I mean???? Eho he isn't top top 25 already??? And do you all know eho has just 1 MVP award, 2 titles and 2 Finals MVPs and is in top 12-13?? Those players are Hakeem and Kevin Durant. Ok, I get it that Hakeem also has 2 defensive player of the year awards, but come on man, if Jokic wins another championship this season and he would most likely win his 3rd MVP award this season as right now he is definitely a favourite altough it is really close race, but let me ask you something. With 3 MVPs, 2 championships and 2 finals MVPs, where are you ranking Jokic all time??? Because for me, he easily has to be in those top 12, top 13 players of all time if he acomplish that. Not to mention that all his MVP seasons are historically great from a statistical point, Jordan's highest per in his career was 31,7, same as Lebron. Jokicin 2022 had 32,8 per, in 2021 he had 31,3, last year he had 31,5 and he lost, and this season he has 31,2 and still has a chence to improve it until the end. Tjose are not jist basic MVP seasons, all of them are one of the greatest MVP seasons ever.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 oh yeah I already have him borderline top 20 all time but when I say goat convo I mean the actual goat convo. As of right now I have mj, LeBron, kareem, magic, wilt, Russel and Duncan and all of them had multiple championships. For jokic to be in that convo he needs to dominate the 2020s and win at least 3 championships with 2 fmvps to go along with his 3 mvps to be in that convo.
every day there's one new clip about jokic like this, he literally doesnt need paid media because he has organic media
I remember when the paid media was talking about how he wasn’t all that great, then you come on YT and everyone’s mind is blown by what he’s doing.
The best thing about joker is that he doesn't rely on athleticism, pure skill, which is good for longevity
they keep saying athleticism but he simply doesn't SHOWBOAT
The "lack of athleticism" argument is stupid anyway. Athleticism isn't just your vertical leap or how fast you can run. Jokic is an incredible athlete. You can't make the scoring plays and passing plays that he makes without being an athlete. You can't run up and down a court for 35 minutes playing at an all-time great level without being an athlete. He doesn't only depend on athleticism to be great, but he's a hell of an athlete. He's just not the flashy kind of athlete that SOME basketball fans gravitate toward.
@@JakeKoenig Finally, someone who knows what a real athlete is (for most, an athlete is someone with defined muscles)...
There is a difference between highflying showboating and athleticism. He is in incredible shape. He is super fit. Super Strong. Great Arobic Endurance. Can catch hard off mark passes with one hand. Can make one handed throws from behind the basket to the other end of the court better than Tom Brady on the regular. Not sure what The F*ck people are thlig about when they say he does not have athletic ability. Stupid. Embid is not athletic....sure he looks great....but he's weak and injury prone....he's of ZERO value on the bench, and usually on the floor like a bowling pin.
Yep. LeBron's ability to play at a high level for so long with the way he plays is basically not human, but Joker's game is, barring freakish injury or his just getting bored with it all, aimed right at him playing 20 years. 'He can't really jump, he isn't very quick, he's not that athletic...' So he won't be those at 40 either, BUT he's the best player on the planet without those things... so 'slowing down' won't matter, losing some 'bounce' won't matter, and he doesn't 'look' athletic... just won't matter. I think he's only other player we could see pushing triple-double type numbers in his late 30s to 40+.
JOKIC should have his 4th in a row this season
Stop lying Giannis should have 5 Mvps
luka mvp
@@theetruth8626 Why?
@@karna6634 stop it
@@MightyBiffer because he had the better stats and the better winning percentage with it plus the elite defense to seal the deal. Remember Jokic won his MVP because of voter's fatigue toward Giannis which makes no sense at all for something that's not related to basketball held against him.
People also forget he is playing this great without a single all star teammate
We all know that Murray is an all-star level player, top all-star level player in PO :)
That's truth but to me, KCP is the best defender and Gordon is an incredible asset, also Watson. They are all good, even better than some all stars, I would say, and as a team, they are great. Although they had some pretty bad games too.
And MPJ has some great games lately as well. All of them can do great job on the court. I'm watching them closely and appreciate all of them in one game or another.
@Sajonara999
NO. Murray is not a top 6 guard in the West. Prob around 9 maybe 10.
@@Sajonara999Murray is not an all star. Why do you think he is 17ppg, 3rbs, 4assts? Because he is inconsistent and unreliable often.
Murray puts up 35pts one game, then has a 35%FG the next 3 games.
He plays that hero ball. The fact Jokic can still win with a player like that tells of his prowess.
Porter Jr is no better with 15ppg 6rbs 1asst. Not good for a volume shooter.
Jokic winning MVPs and championships triggers all the right people.
"What kind of people" you ask? Racists. That's what kind of people.
Jokic is the new Tim Duncan.
Stop lying Timmy had defense
I like this comparison
@@theetruth8626 That is why it can be argued that Timmy was top 5 but definitely top 10 all time
@@Top_Loaded_JRGS77 that's not a argument that Timmy top 10 all time but top 5 no WILT Kareem Jordan Olajuwon and Shaq was better.
Duncan is better at defense, but Jokic is 10x better at offense.
7 game series, i think Jokic beats Duncan
It's nice to hear your thoughts confirmed by someone else. We have identical takes on his performance this season. ⛏️🏀🏆🤷✌️
I'm so glad tobe a Nuggets fan. And not bandwagon I was born in Denver
Fan of both Nikola and Luka but how tf has Luka not performed in the playoffs...bro rises significantly in the playoff...his playoff average has always been better than season average...also everybody misses from the 3...Luka is an offensive beast...only player close to or on par with Nikola...doncic is a great passer too...
luka is a James hardenesq player although a generational player
@@moviemania4066he is NOTHING like James Harden. And saying Luka doesn’t perform in the playoffs is absolutely insane lol
If Porziņģis had stayed in Dallas, we'd be having these conversations about Luka right now because the Mavs would be a Top 3 seed every year making deep playoff runs, and everyone wouldn't instantly dismiss Luka because of his TEAM's lack of playoff success. They were building a championship team in Dallas and getting better every year, making it to the WCF in Porziņģis' last season there. It is insane that more people are backing Tatum this year than Luka, considering Tatum is on a loaded team including... *drum roll please* Porziņģis.
Luka is mature compared to Joker....tempermant, generosity, strategy and confidence,
I was raised a Laker fan during the Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain era. And when we got Kareem Abdul Jabaar my dad and I were ecstatic.
I stopped watching basketball when Magic Johnson retired. I lost interest in the game because it seemed all about egos and showmanship.
Well, last year I kept seeing the name Jokic in the headlines and I finally watched some of the clips of him. And then I listed to his post game interviews and fell in love with his sense of humor and modesty. I watched what I could of the Nuggets and am rooting for them to get another championship this year. Nikola Jokic is what I loved about basketball all those years ago. He's smart. He's unselfish. He is a clutch player. He wants his teammates to succeed. I could go on and on and on. 😀
He is the best ... I don't miss a game... Love him.
Jokic is the most skilled big ever. Only playmaker I can even put on his level is lbj and magic. Defensively he is underrated as well. He doesn’t get blocks but he knows the opposing teams plays before they run them and directs the defense like a coach. The fact that he could win his second championship in today’s age of superstars grouping up with that team is insane to me. They wouldn’t make the playin tournament if jokic wasn’t there and he could go on either last place teams and win a chip from there.
He is very disruptive in D....he slaps, tips out and interrupts passes and plays on the regular....he is renting space inside the opponents heads at all times...like Bird, Magic and Jordan were able to do...
You obviously have only been alive for five years. Sabonis, Shaq, Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, and the list goes on.
Jokic is the best player on the floor today but those players were incredible.
@@ErroneousMonk1 lol no the list doesn't go on, actually the list starts and ends with Jokic.
What argument does anyone have over Jokic for most skilled? Wilt and Russell are the single most overrated players of all time. Check the Per 36 numbers, Jokic clears both pretty easily, and thats while going against players who aren't plumbers
@@ImQueerForSayingThisBut You’re gay for saying that. Recency bias, number one. Shitty fan bias for number two. ‘Players who aren’t plumbers’ parroting shows you’re an idiot for number three. Different era, different game for number four. And the refusal to even let anyone else be compared to him for number five. Your sheer stupidity and self-assured smugness negates you from being a part of the conversation.
@@ErroneousMonk1sabonis, wilt and russell? you cant be serious
Luka and Joker the brothers not from the same mother
There is speculation Doncic wants to play with Jokic.
Brother from another mother
@@alfasiger4178 As long-time nuggets fan, would love to see that happen
@@MightyBiffer as a Serbian who thinks Jokic is the best EVER to play this game, I say NO.
great video bro
He is the best player because he makes his teammates better. He attracts so much attention and sets picks and is a calming and consistent force when on the floor. Even off the floor, he is a leader and motivator, inspiring his teammates through texts or just day to day example. He has the intangibles that is beyond the statistical evidence.
Go Nugs!
Love the Joker ❤❤❤❤
As far as unguardable my top 5 right now is Nikola Jokic , Greek Freak, Kevin Durant, Luka Doncic, and Shai is okc superstar with a super young team is putting up numbers to match the other 4 only difference is playoff resume isnt there like the others i mentioned
1 day later he drops 35 points / 17 Rebounds / 12 Assists / 6 Blocks.
Give the man his 4th MVP already
I think last season was his best year honestly. But this year is right there with any of his four MVP caliber seasons.
1:49 Why does this look like a NBA 2K animation?
NJ15 THE GOAT!!!
Man's breaking Wilt Chamberlain records. That's how historic it is. Seriously, First player ever to surpass Wilt in triple-doubles with PERFECT shooting.
the celtics do not have nikola jokic basically sums up my prediction for this year's playoffs
4 candidates for MVP, all of them Europeans 😮
Jokić should be winning his FOURTH MVP in a row. We all know who the MVP was last year despite the NBA scriptwriters.
Jokic is a beast, i will not call him the Goat yet just cuz hes young and i won't be like lebron fans looking like a fool. But hopefully he will prove it
Jokic should already have 3 mvps
I jist don't agree with you that Lebron James is the last basketball player we've seen who can't be stopped. Lebron also couldn't shoot threes most of the time in his career like he is shooting right now, he can't shoot free throws on 75% efficiency soo I don't know man, if you already mention some unstopable player from 2010s to compare him with Jokic dominance, the only comparison is Kevin Durant. The most complete scorer of all time in general. He is probably the greatest mid-range scorer of all time, he is one of the greatest 3 point scorers of all time, he is one of the best free throw shooters of all time even though he shoots 86% from free throws this season which is below average for him but still, he is the only player that you can compare with Jokic from 2010s. But guess what? I don't agree that either him or Lebron were better scorers than Luka right now because Luka is playing most likely the greatest offensive season of all time. You are saying he misses some deep threes sometimes, but dude... EVERYONE IS MISSING SHOTS SOME TIMES, even Lebron in his prime had some inefficient games, same about Durant, Curry... Any other. But the point is, Doncic is averaging nearly 35 points this season on 50% from the field and 38% from three point range... That's... That's insanee, Lebron and Durant have never had seasons like that, so I don't agree that Lebron is more unstopable player than Doncic... Nearly don't agree.
LeBron from 2015-17 was impossible because you couldn't stop him from scoring without bringing help and he made the right play damn near every time when you did.
That's the same as Jokic. There is never a right answer for the defense.
KD is a more complete *scorer* than LeBron ever was but there is a lot more to offense than individual scoring.
Luka is close but his decision making is just a tad worse. He forces shots that Jokic doesn't and LeBron didn't. You can goad him into playing hero ball and freezing out his teammates.
Plus he doesn't have the same kind of off ball value because he's not an active cutter or offensive rebounder. So if you *can* get the ball out of his hands he's not much of a threat.
But just in terms of being unstoppable with the ball in his hands, yeah, Luka is right there with anyone ever.
Also for reference Luka is +4.4 vs league average TS. LeBron was +10 in his best seasons and +4.7 in his year 6. Sometimes having one unstoppable skill is just as good as having a million counters because ultimately only the result matters.
1985 Had Crazy Talent - Magic, Jordan, Bird, Dr. J, Wilkens, Isiah Thomas, Stockton, Kareem, Sampson, Olajuwon, Moses Malone, Barkley, Rodman, Clyde Drexler, etc, etc, etc.
The 1985 Boys would probably win.
if we want an mvp that impacts winning the most it's jokic, if we want the most statistically dominant mvp it's luka... so as long as it's either of these 2, the choice is legitimate
by the way, third is giannis, not any of these alexander/tatum types, in fact, i can make a better case for sabonis than either of them (who is also not a legitimate mvp winner this year, but has a better case)
Dude OKC has the best record in the west with no other All-Stars and a bunch of 22 year olds.
Shai is a *very* legitimate MVP candidate. He's an efficient high volume scorer, good playmaker and an elite defender.
Dallas and Denver would both be better with Luka and Jokic than OKC with Shai. Shai and Embiid are worth the most wins to their teams.
Tatum -- yeah I mean it's basically an All-Star team. He's the best player but they'd win 50 without him.
@@michaelahurt nah... and i'm not saying he is trash or something, he is simply not on that level... and let's face it, okc would be like 5th or 6th favorite in the west alone when playoffs start...they're overachieving with their record and that's great, but you can tell it's not legitimate to anyone who will have to play them in the playoffs
@@notimportant3686 Who cares? It's a regular season award for who is most valuable to their team.
If we only gave it to the best player we'd just call it Best Player.
Trying to predict how teams or players will play in the playoffs as one of the criteria is one of the reasons a bunch of people *unconscionably* voted for Embiid over Jokic last year.
OKC is probably a 25 win team without SGA and 57 win team with him. That makes him as valuable as any player, even if he isn't quite as good as Luka or Jokic.
(Although I think he's closer to Luka than the consensus. He's a more efficient scorer; borderline All-Defense instead of a negative on defense; never turns the ball over; his team is better; and I think he is better at elevating his teammates. Luka sets guys up for easy shots but Shai makes the game easier for them. It's a slight but important distinction.)
I'd probably go: Jokic, SGA, Luka/Giannis and probably Mitchell over Tatum at 5.
Jokic is a great player. But he’s not carrying the second youngest team in the league to the #1 seed. I won’t be mad if he wins it because I don’t really give a rip. But to say it’s a foregone conclusion when his team are last season’s champions just isn’t doing justice to SGA and what he’s done for the Thunder.
when Erving, and Bird, and MJ and Magic got older they slowed down visibly.
Joker is already there....how could he get any slower??☺
Jokic moves faster in slow motion
Don't know why you said that comment about paying attention after you listed Ja Morant... he really is one of the best players in the NBA when he is healthy. After all you listed Embiid and most likely he won't come back this season if they aren't in the play-in.
Should be four times in four years
Meanwhile Perkins is still letting it marinade
ESPN and big media begs to differ.
Are you saying you trust them
@@davidmason3671 im saying they're dumb
we need to stop calling Joker a goat ....he's a unicorn there will not be another like him .
Blud is not spittin today
The NBA will try and not give Joker an MVP because they keep trying to protect Lebron's legacy. He should have won last year and he should win this year. This year should be his 4th but you know what that would do to Lebron's legacy while he is still playing.
Agree Jokić got underground Media favorite..it isnt in your face and love me..but trough acts results behaviour..he isnt shaq or kobe or jordan or wilt or Lebron ..but he is dude parents says see talent hard work good behave go long way .
Larhoid !
What about Sabonis matchups? Out of 4 games vs Kings this season Jokic didn't played that great while Sabonis did
He gets another ring, he will be the first to repeat without another all star.
No! Porter Jr and Murray are not all stars. They are not putting up the numbers because they are inconsistent and unreliable at times.
Giannis
why do you keep referring to the has been Lebron.
Lebron is a 'never was' after the biggest choke job by any athlete in 2011.
Denver would prefer jokic not winning the MVP. The
disrespect will make him a beast on the play ofs
Jokic should be getting his 4th straight MVP, but the MVP has always been a bit wonky.
For background: Jordan won league MVP in only 4 of his 6 NBA championship seasons. In the 2 seasons he didn't win, he went on to beat the league MVP in the finals. In 1993, Charles Barkley won league MVP and lost to Jordan in the finals. In 1997, Karl Malone won the league MVP and then lost to Jordan in the finals.
Jordan is the ONLY player to win league MVP, a scoring title, first team all defense, finals MVP, and a ring in the same season. Oh, yeah and he did that 4 times (should have been 6 as outlined above).
With all that, Jordan only won 5 league MVPs and only ever 2 in a row. Jokic should have gotten 4 in a row and will soon have 3 in total. His play in the last few seasons has demonstrably demonstrated he's one of the best ever.
So many words, so little content
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Well, OKC lost - NUGGETS ARE #1 in the West.
Btw, if Nuggets were to play in this eastern Conference - they'll be even more dominant then Celtics are.
Western conference is SOOO much stronger, i believe Lakers,Phoenix,Clippers,Kings, even Mavs,GSW,Pelicans would be #2 there, not to mention OKC and Wolves...So, with Nuggets - that's a total of 10 teams better of Cleveland,Bucks,Knicks etc.
Anyway, Nuggets are winning this c'ship, whoever is theire opponent in the finals...100% !!!
And the reason was named in this video - NO OTHER TEAMS HAVE JOKER! That's it - simple as that!!!
🃏MVP - till he retires (in 7,8,9 yrs i guess)...
p.s.Good video!
0:22 Jokic traveled.
What do you mean "Luka needs to perform in the playoffs?" He's been in the playoffs three of his five seasons, and will again this year. He has performed at a historically good level, even better than in the regular season.
Exactly, he's a monster in the playoffs. Always elevates his game and rises to the challenge. Dude is cold.
'dude' is also an egomaniac and he takes abnormal amount of shots per game.. basketball is a team sport
@@BorisMitrev19BM77 Yeah, and does it efficiently, unlike most of his teammates who are efficient at bricking shots.
to be eligible for MVP, your team has to be demonstrably worse without the player.
which the nuggets are
why you must bring LeBron!!?? if he`s making his team better, Lakers would not be swept, Lakers would not need the playin trophy
yea..no
Jokic got robbed!!! 😒
Why do these guys try to sell this best skill set makes you the best player. Giannis is the best player and been the best player. The nba about wins and losses not who's the best skilled set player. Larry Bird was the better skilled set player than Jordan and we dont dare say that dumb b.s. Which means who skill set wins the most with the least talent surrounding him. And that's Giannis
Giannis has Damian Lillard and Middleton. But SGA is taking the second youngest team in the league to a better record right now than the Bucks or the Nuggets.
@@ErroneousMonk1 stop being ignorant Khris been injured majority of the year and Giannis and Dame is not on page together. And Giannis still manage to keep Milwaukee top 3 while Shai has Chet ,Giddey and Jalen Williams these top draft picks. That's the difference. When have Giannis had any top draft picks on his squad.
@@theetruth8626 You’re right. They suck. Not sure what I was thinking. My bad.
Jokic is not underrated He's not better than Giannis and he's not better than Embiid and that's facts. We seen this with Giannis being the most winning percentage player per season outta everybody no matter who injured on his team to Embiid destoying Jovic over and over.
STFU, Perk. He's the best player in the world and Luka's stats >>> Embiid's difference is he's maintaining those crazy stats all season and he turns in up in the playoffs too. Embiid's drop and his regular season stats are heavily inflated by having the refs in his corner sending him to the FT line for fun, whereas, Jokic's are suppressed because the refs are trying to sabotage him. If Jokic got privileged Embiid's whistle he'd lead him in scoring too even though Embiid takes significant more shots.
@@strontium2955 clown you delusional as hell we all done witnessed Embiid destroy Jokic over and over. There's nothing you can say that will make Jokic greater than Embiid. It's so funny how you thirsty cats try to narrative actual facts that done occur and try dare say a player who been getting slayed by another over and over is better. I don't care if shoot better pass better you can't beat the man.
@@strontium2955 Jokic is the 3rd best player in the NBA that's the fact. All this other b.s y'all be talking is just lies y'all done told yourself. He don't have Giannis winning resume per season. That's a fact he doesn't dominate on both ends of the floor like Giannis and Embiid. He doesn't score like Embiid or Giannis. All those triple doubles y'all keep crying about don't lead to the same success as Giannis or Embiid career success because they win more no matter who's on their roster that's the whole point of basketball.
@@strontium2955 screw stats do their play style wins more than all the other superstars that's what matters. These non defensive players is always a step behind guys on that same elite level who does it on both ends and their winning percentage proves that. That's the only stat that matters. Who skilled set wins the most with the least talent surrounding them and the best in the game is 1. Giannis and 2. Embiid
Frankly, I wouldn't mind having either Jokic or Giannis. Embiid has a history of injury too large to overcome. One of the best players in the league constantly in a snazzy suit on my bench does me no good.
I know you are trying to discount stats to prove your point, but to say Giannis is a better winner than Jokic is incorrect. Giannis has a career .572 win percentage and Jokic is at.598.
You are correct that Embiid is 6-2 against Jokic to make the case that he is better. But I'm curious why you don't apply that same logic when Jokic is 10-5 against Giannis.
If you prefer Giannis, no problem. He's damn good. But record wise and statistically, Jokic brings an awful lot to the table that's hard to argue with.
The lack of defense distorts how good these stars are.
Easy to be top heavy in scoring when rudy gobert is the only one playing defense.
Not only one player is included.All 5 players on the court have impact on defence.
@@lebtfurimmer107
Yeah i know clown.
That's why modern defense is the worst in nba history. Like i said, only tudy goebert is playing defense.
So historic he wasn't the front runner until Embiid went down for the season.
Embiid keeps getting injured because he has to go full throttle to put up those numbers and even then his stats are heavily inflated by having the refs in his corner sending him to the FT line for fun. Jokic stats are suppressed because the refs are actively trying to sabotage him and, unlike Embiid, he is in 2nd gear and he turns it up in the post season. What does Embiid do in the post season, Einstein?
Jokic is there for his team night in night out and he doesn't duck games, duck playing Embiid in Philly like Embiid ducks him in Denver and Jokic is battling fatigue and doesn't get all these battery recharging rest breaks like Embiid does and yet he's still able to put up crazy numbers and be crazy consistent.
@strontium2955 all of that and you said nothing.
@@Daniel-mg1dk No I said a lot and you re[lied with nothing because you don't have anything of substance to counter it with. I accept your surrender lol
@strontium2955 You consider making a winded comment that makes no counterpoint to my original statement, questioning the "historical" aspect, a victory? That is sad.
@@Daniel-mg1dk You did it again. You tried to discredit Jokic by citing Embiid getting injured. I explained to you why he keeps getting injured and why his scoring stats are heavily inflated due to his privilege and why Jokic's are suppressed.
And Jokic was robbed of MVP last year when Embiid cried his way to a sympathy vote MVP with a huge assist from Perk and co. Now that was sad.