Russia's 2B25 'Silent' Mortar in Ukraine
Vložit
- čas přidán 10. 12. 2022
- Recent video and photos from Ukraine show Russian troops getting to grips with the unique 2B25 82mm 'silent' mortar. In this video we'll examine the imagery and how it shows the 2B25 being used.
Be sure to check out our accompanying article for this video here -
armourersbench.com/2022/12/10...
If you enjoy our work please consider supporting us via Patreon, TAB is a viewer supported channel and any help is very much appreciated! We have some great new perks, check out our Patreon page here: / thearmourersbench
You can also now support us with one-time donations via ko-fi.com/armourersbench
Ever wished all the best gun history content creators were gathered in one place? Check out - surplused.com - we're on there!
Where to find TAB:
armourersbench.com
/ armourersbench
ko-fi.com/armourersbench
/ thearmourersbench
/ armourersbench
utreon.com/c/Armourers-Bench
imgur.com/user/ArmourersBench
/ discord - Zábava
![[Vowel]물고기는 물에서 살아야 해🐟🤣Fish have to live in the water #funny](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3G9MH063Cx4/mqdefault.jpg)
Thanks for watching, here's the accompanying article for this video - armourersbench.com/2022/12/10/russias-silent-mortar-in-ukraine/
It might be worth explaining why the Russians utilise a 82mm mortar and Western countries utilise a 81mm size.
Mortars aren't suppossed to be accurate
@@CL-vz6ch I’ve heard why before, but I can’t remember for sure: was it’s so russian tubes could fit captured NATO ammunition, but Western forces couldn’t do the same?
I have seen attempts by so many armies to utilize mortars without a baseplate. And every single time the result is the thing nails itself into the ground changing the elevation and train and you have to pull it up before it gets too far down or it's stuck forcing you to waste time digging it out or abandoning it.
did it look like it nails its self into the ground at any point?
@@EnemyDwarf-TTV Yes? Every time they fired? xD
@@Ilamarea no the tube hardly moved the only reason it was is the operator was kicking it
@@EnemyDwarf-TTV BUAHAHAHAH and we've found the terrorussian nazi tankie.
@@EnemyDwarf-TTV he kick it up but it goes down? :D
Among a circle of weapons experts and engineers this system was being discussed 30 years ago when exploring a marriage of the PIAT system and a spigot mortar. Also back in WW1 the French had great success with a pneumatic mortar system that was silent. So much so that the Germans complained about them to the war commission a sort of Geneva Conventions(i cannot recall the name).
Interesting footage. I wonder what the deal is with trying to employ the unit without the correct base plate. The movement of the tube between shots would result in massive spread of shots at the target end.
I'm really not sure, either the base plate is actually lost or they want to shoot and scoot so fast they don't want to be having to excavate the plate after firing. But you're right, Accuracy issues!
I think it's a matter of speed. Base plates are super heavy and you have to connect/disconnect. If you're firing off a few rounds and need to move quickly due to an anti-battery radar picking up your rounds, the less weight/time spent the better. Enemy is more likely to target a mortar position than what appears to be random troops.
I asume it's to decrease weight of the system and be able to shoot and get out quicker.
The problem is that they are trying to use them at mortar platoon range when it's really just a section level light mortar. Most light mortars lack legs, you just set the volley sight, line up the spirit level bubble and pull the striker. This things an over complicated piece of crap.
@@viktoreisfeld9470 There isn't such a thing as anti battery radar at such a small scale. Israel and the US have developed systems that can detect and back track smaller mortar rounds in flight but radar is not how they work.
I like the way he just kicks it off with his Foot!
It's neat-looking, but it has to be the absolute worst way to trigger a weapon designed for at least semi-precise indirect fire. You might as well make a sniper rifle that you fire by heavily-jostling the shooter.
@@michaelccozens Sure, because a mortar is an accurate firing rifles as a sniper rifle........ What the hell are you talking about. You don't seem to understand what a mortar is. It is NOT an accurate firing system, and that tiny foot tap isn't gonna change the aiming...... and certainly not in any comparable way to the kickback of the round itself. I mean, you can literally see it on video, for fucks sake.
@@michaelccozens we’ve got an expert here
@@michaelccozens we've a clever dick here @hello
@@hello-ii5lh it takes a pro to notice the mortar wobble and the operator awkwardly stumble each time he kicks it. ignorance = cool i guess tho right?
That things moves so much, without the baseplate. It can't be accurate.
Agreed, I think they were trying to see how feasible this would be without it so it can lessen the load of those carrying it
If one can find a way of deploying without a baseplate, the deployment time would be much reduced.
@@Kefuddle aside from weight that is probably the largest flaw with mortars. And the weight gets reduced year by year...
As not using a charge its range is very short to be honest you probably would utilize it similar to a m224a1 in that you aim it in a general direction using experience and intuition and fire using the plunger then pick it up and relocate quickly.
States: We didn't want to put the base plate in the wet grass.
*That's literally what it is for.*
Decades (70's or early '80's) ago, either the French or Belgians developed a compressed gas multiple grenade launcher system. I wonder if that was the inspiration for this.
That system was purposed for ambush and jungle environments. Had read something about it in Jane's Small Arms.
Originally known as Fly-K and developed in Belgium IIRC. Fires 51mm spigot grenades (they look like rifle grenades). Single or 12-round spigot mortar. In single form it is currently the standard grenade launcher/light mortar of the French army infantry section.
I believe Rheinmetall still hold the IP, not sure if still in production.
No it isnt an inspiration, it is likely something the soviets made but never put into production.
@@parallax9084 Similar systems existed during the Great War.
@@totallynotthemasterfister5322 Probably incorperated from there then
Living in North Dakota, the environment is so similar. Hits close to home.
Big open country. I'd like to visit both. Thanks for watching.
I guess only one way to find out is to make one at home
This is very Interesting tech.
Im not sure if this is supposed to be an area weapon or more precise but I'd love as much information on it as possible
Very interesting, thank you
Could the lack of a base plate be a weight-saving measure? With only the barrel, biped and 2-3 rounds, it looks like one man could hull the gear. Meaning a small team of 5 could carry 2 mortars with several rounds for each, a drone and some rifles. making a very small and difficult-to-detect mortar team. This might not seem effective on a large scale, but would be an effective counter-sniper team.
That or they lost it somewhere lol.
Its almost certainly for weight savings. The base plates are usually obnoxiously heavy.
They lost it. Bcos who needs a baseplate amirite. Or more likely explanation: They've got no spare, and their sarge is still bitter about it.
It’s aluminum. Not so heavy. Maybe they’re lazy as it’s training.
Check out an old vice video about shia militias fighting isis it's from about 6 years ago you wk SE a guy with a g3 and alot of weopans from random countries , but they had this sweet Iranian made mortar the guy carried over a small briefcase box thing ,tore it open,it was a tube literally he put some kind of angle thing on it and boom literally just held it and fired away, and had one dude fixing his fire,his third round hit the mark pretty impressive from a guy angling a tube on the Dietz granted the rounds were small asf, looked like the rpg frag rounds , I wish I knew the name of the mortar it's basically like a Japanese knee mortar but with no plate
Interesting...I'm used to seeing the rounds fall all the way down. But here in this model it seems much safer, no more sliced off fingers
very cool
Some of the European (German) Anti Tank weapons use captive pistons MBB Armbrust They use a plastic flake countershot. I think the RGW-90. follow on not longer uses the pistons.
In mid show, its obvious the tube was digging into the ground and the old trick is to used the wood from the crates to make it stop sinking, or just the crate its self...
Very interesting. Saw that Video on Twitter and wondered, what it was.
Not using base plate is only useful in winter conditions on frozen ground
Winter has come.
@@xemnassuperior6553 Enough to heavily-freeze churned-up soaked substrate?
And even then, only for a limited time. That level of kinetic energy is going to melt ground pretty fast.
ok so there's definitely something wrong with thebasrplate, because they don't even want to use it for demonstrations. xD
however if the three shot video is unedited, then it seems to me that the time delay between firing and the return of the impact sound indicates quite a long range relative to how quiet the thing appears to be.
If you can fire it without a baseplate,you can substitute the weight of the baseplate for more ammo.
Sort of pointless if you can't hit the target because the tube is moving after every shot.
@@benlzicar7628 very true.
If you are just harassing the enemy in a large area the psychological effect is just as important as a direct hit with every shot.
Bedding the mortar in also wastes ammo.
That`s their figuring.
But think how much work its going to take to dig the tube out of the ground after firing in that last 3 rounds in the video. Less work to hump the base plate.
neat idea, remids me of the non-suppressed silent russian pistol the PSS
It looks like they are doing direct fire, and not adjusting on a remote target from hiding. They are not using any aiming stakes that I can see. They have the sight set at 3200 mils, straight ahead, and just put the cross hair on the target. Then they set elevation for the range they want. I don't see how they could be very accurate in their three round barrage because the tube moved so much. In general, you would have to adjust the gun so the bubbles are level, and the sight is on the target for direct fire, or aiming stakes for adjusted fire, after each shot. They didn't need a drone. They just needed some decent binos.
The angle of fire looks so low I'm not sure how they think it will have any on effect on shell scrapes or deeper fighting positions. That and the wind carrying them away. It just looks like an overly complicated turd of a piece of kit without enough velocity or range for map predicted indirect fire but far too heavy to use like an old 2". There's 3 blokes on that who could be carrying something bigger.
Perhaps they are just "walking" the rounds linearly ? If not you would have to re-aim after every 1-2 shots. This is almost like firing 60 off hand, same concept, I think.
@@agga7517 The word you are looking for there is "bracketing" where you drop a round short, then drop one beyond at a known distance then split the difference for a third which gives you their range. The problem with that is that the enemy then know you are using direct fire and they will start to look for you.
@@zoiders I know what bracketing is. I'm talking about up or down (walking) - linear target, not your typical 3-4 round adjust fire - "square". Besides, you are not fighting Afghans any more, as soon as you start your fire mission, you will most likely be looked for by whatever means/assets they have available in the AO.
@@agga7517 I'm not sure that you do. Why walk it forwards which can take a very long time if you get it wrong when you can bracket? Bracketing works for range not just left/right.
Mortars are nasty enough, This thing is Terrifying.
after 9 months in afghanistan as a mortarman the 120mm mortar legit was fired so much in HE and WP missions that the baseplate had to be reset every couple of days. Were talking 3-4 ft deep shit sucks when it rained
They need at 10 gauge goose gun for drones.
Thanks
love the footage
They seem to be trying to employ them like a PIAT in the direct fire role when propped up on the crate. As for their use as actual platoon light mortars they look much too complex but at the same time they seem to be pushing the range out too far for fire to be effective from a light mortar. The old 2" in British service literally just had a small volley sight with a spirit level in it and they didn't even have a bipod as they were a short range section level weapon. They were phased out in favour of the 40mm UBGL.
The PIAT had a low accoustic launch signature as well. If the PIAT had of used a captive piston as well it would have been even more silent.
Probabl the same mortar russian soldires mention in intercepted phone call's where the say "They shoot at us with silent Mortars, you just hear them when they a couple of meters above your head and come down". Guess that mortars are better than drones with granades, drones you can see coming but that rounds you hear when it's too late.
I bet burying it in the ground gives it even more of a silent sound. With the dirt acting like a muffle vs the base plate with holes that vent directly to the atmosphere.
Well that's terrifying
Imagine getting shot at while you have to use that thing xD loading and "pulling the lever Kronk" plus that short range and the ammo type/size
Anyone else is seeing parallels to construction of PIAT ?
Absolutely. Check out my earlier video on the 2B25 where I talk about that extensively. Thanks for watching
Do you have any interest in doing a small video explaining the different camouflage patterns we're seeing on RU soldiers? You would expect to see the 'new' multicam style patterns on the Ukraine forces but it looks like some of the Russian regulars are wearing the same pattern, which is sorta.. strange. It's something I know nada about, but if anyone (comments here included) can help me make sense of that, I'd be very grateful.
It's a little out of my expertise area to be honest I'm not too genned up on Russian camo. I'll need to do some research.
@@TheArmourersBench thank you for your time.
@@workshopblackbird это самый обычный Мультикам либо из оригинальной ткани либо из копии (зависит от производителя конкретного типа снаряжения) Мультикам как и A-tacs довольно популярные камуфляжи в нашей армии, особенно в подразделениях спецназа.
There is no base plate. It's quite heavy and you could replace the weight of it for more ammo.
they will need more ammo because its not very accurate without a baseplate, hence the invention of baseplates.
@@anonymous2513456 thats not really the main point of a mortar is it? isnt it just fire supression just like artillery?
@@OliverFlinn effective suppression requires accurate fire.
@@OliverFlinn The elevation of this gun is 45-85 degrees and the range 100-1200m. If you can see individual shots changing the angle of the mortar we could be talking about a change of like 5 degrees (maybe not in one shot but over 2-3). That means hundreds of meters difference. That being said: I have 0 experiene in war and i hope to keep it that way.
@@danielakublbock9575 lol same brother, lets hope this all ends soon
I wonder what kind of propellant it uses?
That's super quiet.
A captive piston system according to the patents. Thanks for watching!
So powder is ignited and contained.
I can’t imagine much energy imparted as compared to classical. What are the specs of warhead weight and max range compared to vintage peer (60 mm?)
@@richardkudrna7503 I'd say the energy harnessed is quite good. It will be contained within the stem of the mortar round but consultation of energy in a classic mortar must be very bad.
@@williamzk9083
What occurs to me is that a charge pushing a piston must be great enough to launch the projectile but not so strong as to burst the chamber where it is expanding into. I am imagining a very small charge ROM 2 grams. A classic mortar uses a large charge and as we see there is a strong event as the projectile clears the end of the tube. Also there is leakage as the projectile moves up the tube.
Another issue with this new weapon is it must carry with it the expansion cylinder and piston which I assume remains telescoped out. All of this makes me think that this is a niche weapon for use when you don’t need much range and when noise and flash signatures matter.
@@richardkudrna7503 Heard on another video it's quite short range, but not too bad for a mortar that small. 1.2 km or so.
You don't mention the rationale for this weapon for those that aren't aware. It's to lessen the threat of acoustic based multilateration and counter-battery fire
Yes indeed, I've done a couple on this mortar , believe I covered that in the first one. Thanks for watching!
Anyone notice the AN94 in the little clip with the SF forces? Look at just before 1:10. You get to see the distinctive muzzle device.
They all have Ak-74s
Looks like it moves a lot of dirt down there, when it's fired.
the tube moves quite a bit when he kicks the trigger with his foot. unsurprisingly really.
I hear everyone talking about a missing baseplate, but nobody talks about the effect when the ground is frozen solid ?
Do you still need a baseplate when you are practically firing from concrete or solid rock ?
Well you need something to prevent movement if you're firing from solid surface.
Given how the troops are saying they are “experimenting” with the weapon, it seems they aren’t trained in how to use it properly.
That might well be the case! Thanks for watching.
It’s crazy quiet it is you could probably shoot it inside a building out a window
well they are trying to not use the baseplate to lower the angle of attack to almost a direct fire round, if you see the firing at the 3 minute mark all the way to 322 you can see how much that digs into the ground. i bet you can only angle it so far before the base plate slips. the base plate needs to be larger and have teeth on it to stop that from happening on soaked ground.
He didn't mention specifics but that's a good theory, makes sense. Thanks for watching!
This mortar is one of its kind
Silent but violent.
Finishing high school a friend nearly talked me into joining the National Guard with him to be mortar men. Exploring options, I became an Army Reserve x-ray tech instead. Still base I use more than 30 years later.
Anyone else notice the Hammer and Sickle of the old Soviet Union on the optic at 0:51? Is that a manufacturer's mark...or was Putin successful in reviving the old CCCP?
Russian soldiers even put USSR flags on their vehicles sometimes
Cant wait for these to go on sale at Walmart
just what every battlefield needs.. more IDF and unfortunately unlike modern optics, real body armor and some night vision capabilities this seems like something Russia would actually pump out a useful amount of
I bench 205 I could probably shoulder fire it stuff the base plate
Uhm...mortars actually not so loud especially on its effective range (and that range depends on caliber of course).Its just heavy enough to lose in mobility.
Thank u from camada
It seems to have less recoil than a standard mortar. Wonder why they just don't make it a tube an pad scout mortar. No need for break down and set as much.
that all sounds like stuff I would say if I totally just lost our new toy's baseplate.
Pretty impressive weapon, zero noise and endless fire rate because it doesn't need to cool down.
BTW it looks like this team was testing the mortar in it's limits and quirks on wet/soft land like there is in Ukraine for most of the year, looked like a field assessment session to see the limits of the mortar in a given environment. 🤔
Personal artillery is useless. If you need a truck to carry the ammo for volume fire, the weapon then becomes neither personal nor portable. This could be the reason no army uses it. This might work for static trench warfare. Beyond that, it's just dead weight
It probably has much shorter range than regular mortar. Regular mortar isn't really louder, because it may fire at much larger distances and the sound attenuates exponentially with distance. So better to have loud mortar with long range than silent one with short range. Longer range also means being much less exposed to return fire. Rate of fire is not that high because you need to press the plunger with you'r feet. So you can probably fire regular mortar at least 2 times faster that this. Keep in mind that you cannot sit in place and fire say 100 or 150 rounds because you will get hit by return fire if you keep sitting there for so long, especially with short range mortar.
@@macieksoft You can't fire 100-150 rounds because you'd need a truck to carry them around buddy 🙂
Anyhow I think it's an interesting option for Special Forces squads that are on stealth missions....they can use it to start a surprise attack (maybe night ops) on a position with silcenced sniper fire and a few of these from the same range of the sniping.
Defending forces would see some of theirs dropping and incoming mortar fire with no clue where it comes form IMHO.
@@macieksoft
You are right in one thing, it has to have shorter range. The rest is wrong.
Reciprocal of square is far from "exponent".
Silent cold mortar is undetectable from very close distance, it is clearly a weapon for special forces. There is no risk of return fire.
Shells can be partially made from composites and covered by microwave absorber material, short range mortar have better range at angles below 45 degree - they don't flight high and long. So chances for detection by counterbattery radar are low even near frontline.
@@peceed I am not talking about counter battery radars. That thing has short range, so the mortar team needs to come closer to the enemy. When being close to enemy you can be detected even without making any noise, they will just see you and open either indirect or direct fire at you. The closer you get to the enemy the bigger the chance of getting hit with direct fire. Especially on flat ground like in this video.
what’s the range ? within range of snipers ?
Range, capabilities and how it works discussed here czcams.com/video/leePXmJe5C0/video.html
Whats his TG?
Screen name is in the vid, link in our accompanying article for this vid at armourersbench.com
@@TheArmourersBench I completely missed it. Thank you
Time of flight was about 20s, implying a range of a little over 1km.
That fits with the official stats
1000mts
00:58 check out my mans boots. they look a bit past their use by date. lol
They have made a stomp rocket
that wooden box is an ammo box for 762x54R, nothing more. I very doubt their reasoning using this over the baseplate. Likely they lost the baseplate or had to abandon it in an attack or something and had to resort to this. Ammo crates are easy to come by but NOT as mobile as the dedicated baseplate would be...
how could you even control the elevation w/o the proper plate? It's dumb lol
Agreed, suboptimal and I suspect the base plate was lost or never issued.
I bet even the Tubi mortars run better than the Pluto mortar.
Needs a baseplate
Yep
So, what's the range
Let’s guess based on the video and lag between fire and bang. My guess is below 2 km and more likely 1 km (but I didn’t stopwatch I’m just being cynical).
Good maths. Stated maximum range is 1200m. More on it here armourersbench.com/2022/01/30/the-2b25-russias-silent-spigot-mortar/
So really a niche weapon. By comparison the M224 60 mm, is much heavier but gets a heavier bomb out to 2 km. It would be fun to chart a comparison of various light mortars, weight, range, bomb weights. Without checking I will guess that the 2B25 warhead is closer to the bang power of a typical 40 mm weapon. So you want the 2B25 for up close work where under rifle grenade is not enough and where you don’t want to be seen. I am guessing you sneak up to 300 meters and enemy has no idea from where fire is coming.
If you serve you know that people on the ground soon find the solution for problem ..we have problems with nonstop jamming in our FN 2000 and we find the problem and also fast solution
What's the solution for FN2000 jamming?
@@TheArmourersBench FNH FS2000 Switch (white plsatic part) we cut/file off "ears".. i love FN 2000 onlly problem is with no ear protection allot of soldiers damaged hearing cell membrane inside ears
As a former USMC artillery officer with many years of actual live firing training and experience with everything from 8 inch (203mm) howitzers down to 60 mm mortars, it's clear these Russian soldiers are not using a baseplate and that's it's screwing up their gunnery. Accurate indirect fire weapons require a stable platform so that the data calculated for flight to the target will actually result in rounds on target. If the discharge of the weapon or some other action causes the barrel to move from its original calculated setting by even a small amount, then the subsequent rounds will be way off target. That's why well trained mortar crews check the sights' alignment on the aiming stick between each round to ensure the weapon is still at the proper elevation and deflection. From what I could tell watching this video, the recoil was less than a standard mortar but there is still some recoil and you can see the barrel digging itself into the soft soil with each shot. It does not help matters that with every shot the operator was also affecting the mortar's angle of fire when he used his foot to set off the mortar.
Appreciate the insights!
As long as you ignore quided munitions.
why do you hide your sources by blurring the telegram channel's name ?
It's a distraction, the channel name is in text at the start of the vid and is also linked in the accompanying article. I always blur faces and watermarks across the board.
1:09
How can it be so silent? Is the round some kind of a rocket?
As I mention in the video I explain how it works in my earlier video - czcams.com/video/leePXmJe5C0/video.html
@@TheArmourersBench Thanks, im sorry i was watching the video with just one eye while cooking dinner
No problem! But yeah I explain it better in there. It's a spigot coupled with a captive piston in the bomb essentially. Thanks for watching!
They look like very small warheads
Pretty small, 82mm
@@TheArmourersBench yea the diameter is of a respectable size but I'm thinking about the weight
@@TheArmourersBench they look to be not that much bigger than a tennis ball
Automatic grenade launchers have the same crew size. mass is only a couple of kg more. can be equipped with a drone. have a higher fire rate. can be used as direct fire in the event of an attack. and who cares about silent when you can instill fear for the sound it makes.
You care if its silent if you don't want your opponent shooting back at you. In a pinch it looks like 2B25 could be handled by a single operator. Can't do that with an AGL. And no, AGL's are not nearly this mobile or as quick in and out of action. Given their very low muzzle velocity the reaction to the sound of AGL's firing is to duck for cover long before the round reaches you.
What makes it launch? there are no propellant donuts on the shaft. it can NOT be a long range mortar. Hmmmm! Why is it such a long round! is the propellant only in the fin tube?
I explained much of that in the earlier video czcams.com/video/leePXmJe5C0/video.html
Highly portable
It digs itself into the earth with each shot throwing off it's zero a little more. Unsurprising bit of Ivan stupidity.
What I came here for. 1:09
I see a crack in their plans
Unlike the Ukrainians with their 60-mm M60-16 and MP-60 mortars, why have the Russians never designed and adopted their own 60-mm company-level mortars?
Lots of grenade to this system.
Sneaky, cheap and efective. This is a powerfu lweapon system.
About as accurate as peeing through a toilet seat .
More like a tube launched rocket.
Wouldn't drone warfare negate the benefits of being silent?
No. Drones are not omnipresent.
Not entirely. First off, drones aren't everywhere all the time.
Second, a silent mortar is a magnificent ambush weapon. Mortars are high trajectory, low velocity, and necessarily usually low precision weapons. Just having these rounds dropping randomly into your area would be unnerving, to say the least.
This isn't no test dudes just been firing at fields. Look at the satellite imagery, there is no other way to explain that man fields just shotgun peppered like that, there is 100's of thousands of mortars that just hit nothing but dirt in the middle of nowhere.
Mortar, but more like a rifle grenade. Short range. Impossible to duplicate a shot with it. It's not Scottish so.......
Quiet
bruh lmao even their special units are using cold war era gear
So , u know any grenade launcher not from cold war era or earlier?
@@quojin Mk 47 Striker, Howa Type 96, M320, Heckler & Koch AG36, S&T Daewoo K11, Neopup PAW-20, RG-6 grenade launcher, XM25 CDTE, XM29 OICW, AGS-30, AGS-40 Balkan, Heckler & Koch GMG
, Denel Y3 AGL. some of those are Russian post cold war as well. doesn't take more than a single google search.
Interesting the round looks like the old WW1 rifle grenades.
I suppose it would need that long stem, in order to provide space for the captive piston to move inside.
Looks like a Vodka bottle.🤔
what is the range on this thing? Cant be too far with it being that silent. Im no scientist but id assume silent report meant little propellent, no?
About 1200m. Check out my earlier video explaining how it works here czcams.com/video/leePXmJe5C0/video.html
>Russian engineers spend god knows how much designing an advanced mortar system that is completely silent
>troops use it without the baseplate causing the mortar to move when firing making it completely inaccurate
I'm not even surprised at this point.
Before being targeted by a Russian mortar team east of Bakhmut a couple months ago, I wouldn't have thought that a silent mortar would have any purpose. We were close enough that we could hear the mortar fire, then the whistle as it flew over our heads and then impacted behind us, closer and closer until we gtfo and they hit the road behind us as we drove off. P.S. We were very obviously civilians, bagging up five very obviously civilian bodies the same mortar team killed the day before in a spot that could only be spotted by drone, which means they knew they were civilians when they killed them.
God that's awful. War really is hell and I'm sorry you're having to go through it.
@@TheArmourersBench You kind of get used to it to some degree, or don't and have a breakdown, it just depends on the person. The worst part is the ballistic missiles that have continuously hit the town we've been staging from. They can't be shot down as easily as the cruise missiles and they come straight down on the target. If they hit your building you're just gone. There's no way to prepare for them, aside from praying, and they usually hit random spots throughout the city, nowhere near any legitimate target. At least with mortars and some artillery you hear the whistle before it hits.
They got orders to shoot civilians from day one, there is a leaked phone call where soldat complains that he was ordered to shoot at children from RPD.
Und eine Reichweite zum totlachen, jede Wette.
I am pretty sure they just forget to issue the solider a baseplate considering Russia "logistic" and corruption.
:)
stop watching tv)
Ah yes 'they forgot to give their tanks tracks because corruption'
2B... and its a toob gun. Get it?
Thanks for the interesting information. Ukrainian soldiers seem incredibly flexible in using a variety of domestic and foreign weapon systems to excellent effect.
Have the Ukrainian forces acquired these?
@@woodrowcall3158 Awesome screen name, I think OP is confused
@@birddt3 Thanks man! My mom could have named me after a worse book character 😂
Yeah if you watch western propa…I mean “news sources” 😂 Ukraine is going to get their sh!t pushed in. Russians also adapt quickly. They have far more resources and man power …Ukraine has the fancy watches but Russia has the time. I don’t support Russia or Ukraine…both have their issues and both are no friend of mine, unfortunately our leaders think it’s cool to play proxy war games with a nuclear power
this is a russian weapon system, those are supposedly russian troops.
I can’t be the only one who thought it was basically the standard 81 mm mortar with a built in basically rifle style suppressor
You probably have a hammer drill with a silencer at home and you drill the walls in your apartment so silently that the neighbors do not know about it?
@@user-no9eg5ho5c these Russian bots just keep getting dumber
Lol using the box as a base plate… Pavlov probably sold their issued base plate for scrap metal.
That's very quiet on the ignition, but what about downrange? No whistle? What's the charge? Look out, Ukes!
There will be a whistle down range I believe.
Can't be accurate or repeatable, like, at all, without the baseplate....more inaccurate Russian methods of indirect fire. The silence of it is impressive however. I can see how, with a baseplate, a special forces unit behind enemy lines could wreck some havoc with such a weapon. Hard to detect it and counter it. Good idea being poorly employed I suspect.
I'd be surprised if those shots without the baseplate landed within 100 metres of each other lol what was the point anyway? 😭🤣
Guided munitions.