The M141 Bunker Defeat Munition [SMAW-D] In Ukraine
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- The M141 Bunker Defeat Munition (or SMAW-D) anti-structure weapons have arrived in Ukraine as part of the ongoing US military aid shipments. There has been some confusion over what the SMAW-D is capable of and even over what it looks like, with some confusing it with the AT-4 and even the M72. So, I thought it would be useful to take a look at the SMAW-D in a little detail.
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@0:17 Oh no ...I'd never confuse my SMAW-D with other bazookas...oh no...wouldn't do that...
Smaw-D is 55 inches in length.
That makes mine feel absolutely tiny .
Hehe sounds like Small D…
Hur ka durr
Maybe they’re compensating for something..
Sounds like yours🗿🗿
Putin's?
It's not the size that matters. It's how you use it.
My squad was attached to a 10th Group A team in 2004. Well, we basically took security of their GMVs so that they could do the "Teach the Iraqis" job. Well, before the mission, this 18B hands me "fresh e4" a smaw and then tried to crash course the thing for me.
Me: im just gonna go grab an AT4.
18B: yeah probably a good idea.
The thing is pretty complicated compared to the AT4. That mission was pretty cool though. I got to control a .50 with IR spot, they gave me an M79, I was standing on more .50 than I saw the entire deployment before, and my ROE was "if we take fire, we're gonna clear out and you guys are gonna level the building."
I can see why people are confusing them, they're so rarely seen anywhere. I've no idea how many are in inventory now.
That does sound like like a decent job, getting hands on with some kit for a change. An M79, interesting.
@The Armourer's Bench yeah I guess thumpers were pretty common on the SOF side. I could tell why both were not common to big army.
I was attached to an SF ODA in Iraq. Officially I was a PSYOP Specialist, doing counter propaganda, putting out pro-Iraqi govt media, but they left that to my Team Leader and ATL, me the SPC, was really "HMMWV driver and turret gunner" instead. I remember having that M79 thumper as well. Supposedly when we redeployed back, someone wanted the SF guys to turn the M79 over to a museum (hopefully vs just being scrapped), but they "forgot" it in the truck when we RIP'd out . We got to fire all sorts of small arms I'd never gotten to see before, including the Carl Gustav (before the Army finally got wise and began buying them in numbers), the SCAR, basically the SMAW-D was about the only common small arm I didn't get to fire with them (they did let me drop a 120mm mortar illumination round once, that was a trip, though I'm glad I wasn't an 11C lugging the tube around!)
« There is some confusion over what the SMAW D actually is »
Yep, my doctor was completely bewildered
In Ukraine practice, these things are primarily thin-skin truck/APC killers. I think the simpler AT-4 is better wall buster/door maker do to its lesser cost and complexity.
0:27 That's a LOT of boom for such a skinny tube!!!
SMAW-D like a melody in my head
As someone who has employed the SMAW-D and the AT-4 in combat situations, the SMAW-D is basically an AT-4 that is collapsible for transportation.
So it's a HEAT warhead?
@@quik478 Mk. 118 Mod HEDP (High Explosive Dual Purpose), which is similar to the Mk. 3 HEDP fired from the Mk. 135 SMAW. It has poor anti-armor capability, only able to penetrate 20mm RHA, but it's not meant to be used against armored vehicles anyways. Purportedly the Mk. 118 can penetrate 200 mm (7.8 in) concrete, 300 mm (11.8 in) of brick and 2100 mm (6.8 ft/2.1 m) of sandbags. Of course, the express purpose of the SMAW-D is to defeat fortified positions, buildings, bunkers, etc.
@@Trve_Kvlt I honestly think SMAW-NE deserves more attention. So basically SMAW-D is a single use HEAT charge with added flaks.
This might be useless to tank killing but it could be very useful for IFVs, trucks, mobile artillery, air defense vehicles, etc. Though over all the dual purpose warhead version of the AT4 would probably be of more use.
Well and just barricaded enemies. Since even invading enemies need to set up defences after coming to area either by building or taking over bunker and fortified positions. As such in counter-attack such "bunker buster" will be usefull.
Since any defence army's strategy would be "they invade, we delay and withdraw in fighting defence, deplete them and then counter attack to take back ground lost in the fighting retreat used to deplete assaulting forces."
This will fuck a tank up 🤣
Mate lol I’m pretty sure the Russians will not be happy having these things shot at them in an urban environment.
Great for mobbing, no good for bossing.
@@thickgirlsneedlove2190 It wont do anything to a main battle tank. You might get a mobility kill if you knock out a track or road wheel but that is about it.
This will be very useful in street-to-street fighting.
My thoughts too.
Sounds like it's useful for taking out enemy infantry in buildings.....I hate to think of Russian forces entering Kyiv or other Ukrainian cities, but it's at the point of being all but certain now.
Absolutely, I hope it never happens, it'll be a horrendous disaster if it does. My hope is it doesn't reach the major towns and cities if it does happen.
The SMOL-D
You are the first, but I bet you won't be the last lol
Great minds think alike
Dang dude. Nice job on this video! Subscribed and starting my binge of your channel! Lol
Thanks so much, enjoy the videos!!
Basically, it is a more modern version of the LAW that we used to carry in the US Army and probably 100 times more expensive.
Its kind of a cross between LAW and AT4. Extending like LAW with AT4 controls. Though it´s not Anti-Tank -weapon by design.
Indeed!
And unlike the M72, you actually have some chance of hitting the target and even possibly doing damage to it. The M72 only existed to make you feel better about the fact you were walking meatsicles.
I don't get the fascination & obsession everyone has with AT weapons. It's as if something isn't designed to kill tanks then it doesn't count. Trust me, in an urban setting, having the ability to hit and destroy light vehicles and killing or maiming all the squishy meat bags inside is going to have a much better negative effect on enemy morale than knocking out tanks does. 10+ invading Russians in a truck dying or 8 in a BMP is better than 3 in a tank.
I thought the average tank crew number was 5 or 6.
Also about the BMP thing, don't worry they only have 2 variants & they use only 1.
The BMP-1 & the BMP-2.
@@ReySchultz121 Russian designed tanks since the T62 have a crew of 3, most western designed tanks crew at 4.
There are 3 main variants of the BMP. The Russians use all 3, the Ukrainians only use the BMP1 & 2
@@ReySchultz121 Modern Russian tanks have an auto loader. Their crew is a driver, gunner, & commander. Many Western tanks have no auto loader (some do) and add a loader to the crew. That's about it for most MBTs. 3 or 4 crew depending on whether they need a loader.
Great content TAB 👍
Thanks David, appreciate it!
awesome videos as always
Thanks Joe!
Great information.
Thanks Wayne!
Fun fact, the blot camo (the white with dark stains camo) is also used by Russian units that haven't received the new Ratnik kits.
Good vid, thanks
Thank you!
Thx, nice, informative...
Thank you, thanks for watching!
Did I hear you correctly in that you could mount a NV optic onto this disposable launcher? How does that work, practically speaking?
Basically, you mount the optic, fire the weapon and then remove the optic and discard the launcher.
I’d love to have a smaw D
We need a group buy for the 57mm RR
What about the instalaza c-90 and c-100, please a video about 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Definitely on the way. Javelin out tomorrow!
Ian show cased some US made RPG7 lunchers procured as aid to Afghanistan... Maybe they probably would be more useful for guerrilla warfare to Ukraine, wouldn't they?
not like they don't have RPG-7s already
There is a plan - to bad no one in power is listening to you. ( not an insult)
Yes the air tronics rpg7 made in Texas.
Exactly. Give them something they are already know. Lots of the recruits are old men & kids, so giving them something Idiot-proof & Lo-tech is best bet !
@@justicar5 Im sure the supply of RPG7s in Ukraine is severely low. All their neighbors to the East use NATO style launchers like this one here. China isn't likely to sell them any.
What is better for the Ukrainian Army is the reloadable version of SMAW-D the Mk153 SMAW with the 2nd soldier carrying the reloadable Tube. M141 is like the M72 law of the Vietnam War era in design principle. Even though there's a modernized M72law made in Norway available for Purchase by Ukrainian Army including a Drone that can use M72 LAW. Cons this will be stopped by T-72 B3 Arena APS systems T-14 Afghanit APS
You don't have to kill the tank, but if you can kill the tracks, the assault stalls. If you can kill the engine, its a dead tank.
@@Korruptor good point but T-72B3 will be hard to kill using M141s due to the Arena APS equipment stopping the rocket
EpicThe112
I remember an old WW2 training vid for infantry vs tanks, which can still be found here on YT, which needed all of two Molotovs, one over the driver’s ports, and the other in the engine bay to effect a mobility kill. The draw back would be the close proximity, to the tank itself and the dismounted infantry.
Also, these smaller, “cheaper,” munitions can be used to deplete the APS for sure-kill systems that cost more. An RPG7 would be best, as its probably the cheapest such munition for this.
The drone idea sounds about ideal for dealing with this issue.
Drew Peacock
Those sensors are _within_ the APS shield range, thus you would need to deplete the system first, or somehow get lucky with shrapnel. We don’t know if they would react to something as small as a bullet, but a precise shot would be extremely dangerous and low probability for an enemy whose battle plan high mobility.
As they are turret-mounted, and other videos show them reacting linearly, if true then the top down-mode of the Javelin may be the best MBT counter since it approaches almost outside of the APS’ vector.
Drew Peacock
See the “lucky with shrapnel” portion.
Two, top down attacks seem to be a vulnerability of active protection systems, particularly the Russian version.
Three, air-burst munitions are designed to expend themselves over a large surface area, whereas the APS only needs to protect a small portion thereof.
Fourth, APS are designed to _deflect,_ atleast ours are, kinetic penetrators. How that will affect something like canister shot is anyone’s guess, but as they work in nearly converging lines one may аssume the greatest protection would be afforded to the turret, where the sensors are.
Cool little rocket
I've seen vid of the SMAW-D being used to good effect in Ukraine against Russians. Thanks for posting this!
Would love to see that video if you can drop the link!
The US should send more M141 to the Ukrainians. Yes, it’s more of an offensive weapon ideal for 300m kill range. But a Ukrainian/Russian conflict is all about attrition. The Ukrainians need to make the battles so expensive in terms of casualties for Russia that the Russian public start questioning Putin’s leadership!
They question his administration regardless.
They just can't do anything meaningful because they get skullfucked by police (and maybe secret service operatives) the moment they do.
There is a growing protest though.
Bunker buster? You only need them if you are the attacking party.
They work amazing on BMP, troop transports and dug in troops. You know dug in after they invaded pushed your forces back and then dug in to consolidate their gains.
Yeah, I do talk about that in the video. I suspect they'll be best used in urban fighting or in counter attacks. Thanks for watching!
Counter attacking is actually vital part of defense. Enemy continuously thin out your defense lines, break through first and maybe second line of defense and defenders need to eliminate/kick them out before they push in reinforcements and try to pocket your army. Attackers have advantage of using heavy artillery barrages on fixed positions of enemy and attacking before they repair the damage done.
i was at that exact range for the M141 where did you get us "us army m141 training footage "
It's from the unit's Facebook page.
Like how can you get SMAW and LAW mixed :D
100 rounds seems like a drop in the bucket. Is this just an initial shipment to be used for training with more to follow on? Or is this just posturing?
probably a shipment to train personnel. If the fighting starts, it's easier to just send them equipment when theyre already trained
Yeah, it's also not a weapon that's desperately needed at the moment either.
I would be doing more dry training those rounds will be sorely needed if it breaks out. I pray for both sides as we don`t need this it will be bad.
If you pause in the transport diagram you can see it notes there's one training unit among the 25 on the pallet, so at least 4 trainers on that shipment.
How can you utilize this on defensive position?
I discuss it in the video, probably best used in urban fighting.
It looks like a good bunker buster. Also it would be handy against artillery positions.
Ian show cased some US made RPG7 launchers procured as aid to Afghanistan... Maybe they would be more useful for guerrilla warfare to Ukraine, wouldn't they?
When guerilla warfare will happen in Ukraine, Russian army officers will sell truckloads of RPG7 with rockets. There's no more corrupted army than theirs. They sold weapons to Afghans, they sold it to Chechens too. I'm just sorry for all those folks on both sides who will die in the process.
Where’s there’s a market there’s a product :))
@@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210 like the u.s military isnt more corrupt ? are you kidding me ? the u.s sells more weapons to rebel armies and mercanaries in a year than russia does in a decade.
@@smokeshow7691 There's a huge difference between selling weapons under the state aegis to promote political agenda and the half-drunk colonel selling weapons to the enemy, so he can buy a new Mercedes.
@@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210 lol the u.s sold stingers to taliban, tows to isis, the taliban has billions of dollars of u.s equipment right now. Theres so much that secret orgnizations do to sell weapons for malicious purposes, justify it all you want.
It might be posible to get a mobility kill with this weapon
if you're in a tank and this thing hits you wrong, you will have a bad time still. Might not get through he armor on all sides, but the concussive force will fuck you up
It's probably got enough energy to damage tracks if you hit the tank right.
They called it the SMAW in order to confuse welders.
3:35 - Sharpshooter over there missed every fucking target.
Maybe the Taliban can send some to Ukraine , I'm sure they have plenty .
yea, this!
it would seem to me that in urban fighting firing down on a tank from a rooftop it would take out a tank and crew but being on top of a building isnt a great place to be as you could be surrounded. just my thoughts .
Also a good weapon for fighting in urban areas, a key part of urban fighting being counterattacking and taking back buildings etc.
100? this is more of a news piece than any true meaning of arming the Ukrainian forces, looks and sounds good, that's all that matters
Indeed but it's a niche weapon and it's quite possible more than that shipment have been sent.
100 LOL the actual number is probably 10 times that, NATO has shipped in enough antitank stuff to Ukraine to wipe out an entire division
"100? this is more of a news piece " Not when you are on the receiving end...😅 and they maybe want to know what Ukrainian forces think about it(before they start shiping significant numbers) and 100 is ok for the training and proper evaluation.
@@Bialy_1 Yup America can easily dump about 3000 javelins and stingers to ukraine in a day
Hello from Kiev. Thank you, USA/GB brothers
@0:17 Oh no ...I'd never confuse my SMAW-D with other bazookas...oh no...wouldn't do that...
These things are dope af and don’t get issued or used enough
*a subsonic 9mm red tracer impacts right next to a PKM nest in eastern ukraine*
Russian conscript: “blyat…”
It is a confidence weapon. No more. NO less.
It wasn't until the video was nearly over that I realized he wasn't saying "Small-D"... like it was a nickname, such as the "Mini-me".
@1:17 is in France ?
Yes, briefing French troops on the SMAW.
Thorns on the enemies feet
Nice
why's the US giving them a SMAW-D? they should give them the BG-D instead...
I know it's not an anti-tank weapon, but it looks like it would still be very effective against BMPs, which the Russians would use in large numbers. Does anyone know if this is rated to penetrate about 30mm RHA?
You could always try listening to the video, esp the part where he says exactly what it can do. I know - crazy talk. But there you go.
What if the tanks are moving fast ?
If you're using this against tanks it's probably best to let them go by.
@@TheArmourersBench I can imagine that all that active protection mounted on top of the Russian tanks may not like this thing exploding on top of them and we can see some spectacular chain detonation of every brick in the same time(and it can be nasty for the tank and its crew).
SMAW is nothing like a AT4 or a law. It has a delay fuse so it gets max damage inside a structure.
Indeed, as I explain in the video. Thanks for watching.
AT4 is available with delay fuse.
They do not have that type of AT4. The US did not buy many of that type. Ukraine had the older 90’s style. AT4 is junk anyway.
Ok just said you can get it with delay fuse. Would not agree its junk but maby not the best if you compare it with much more expensive weapons of choice.
@@KarILsson Have you ever used the AT4 in combat? I have and it’s junk.
The M-41 would be utterly lethal against trucks
Buryat Fry Munition 😃
Offense or defense, there are a hell of a lot of non-tanks out there...
Opening 30 seconds "People have confused the SMAW-D for the AT-4 and even the LAW", which considering the SMAW-D is basically what you'd get if the AT-4 and LAW had a baby together, kinda understandable lols
It will take a tank track off.
Good LUCK! Ukraine IS NOT WEAK!!
the angry at4
I get that it is a rocket launcher but what about it specifically makes it good against bunkers?
There were stories of Russians creating defensive positions, I guess the idea is that these will help the UAF remove Russians from these?
My girlfriend is an expert "smaw d" handler. ;)
Smawdy
BMP killer.
It's a duel mode bunker buster....Not an AT weapon....
It is indeed. Thanks for watching.
it's crazy how they built houses especially to demolish them. How much waste the war brings...
Like it or not but a military is a necessity.
Thank - you . ( anti - war )
So far with the "defensive weapons" mantra.
As I saw in the video, perfect for urban fighting which very much would be on the defensive.
Geez oh Pete's just equip troops with a 'chinese' copy of the RPG 7 and be done with it
Watching these guys shoot is agonizing. There's maybe three decent shots in this whole thing; two of which you don't see impacts, one of those being the trainer. You did this to hurt me didn't you.
why would a defensive force need bunker breaching weapons?
Something I discuss in the video.
Urban fighting
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wating for NLAW video
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@@TheArmourersBench thanks
He has a SMALL-D, oh my bad it's SMAW.
more expensive alternatives to an RPG
I'd rather have our Panzerfaust 3 from Germany - much more powerful and also very easy to use. I think around 9000 are on the way to Ukraine now - good luck.
What a effin’ waste. A Panzerfaust was as good a weapon. The whole system was designed for manufacturer profit, not defense. As long as you rely upon eyesight aiming, it’s useless over 75 yards.
It would actually be great if the origin country of the Panzerfaust actually provided weapons. Besides, Ukraine have been supplied with more advanced AT weapons like Javelin or the NLAW. SMAW-D is just another tool to be available in a fight.
Dodgy old school sights for an unguided weapon???
Its used and "old school" because it works=not dodgy...
please sir can I have some smaw
I guess Ukraine would have been better off if they started a war industry 8 years ago. Ukraine should have had underground industrial facilities in the west of the country to support the war in the eastern side of Ukraine. They should have taken back the rebel regions a long time ago.
Russia will accept the 2 regions into Russia. Its only a formality now. Russia will put its troops in the rebel regions after that. Now much you can do about that.
Greetings,
Jeff
Thanks for watching Jeff. Yes, Ukraine does have its own arms industry and they've increased capacity since 2015 but still they really should have been more prepared for this. Though I suppose it also fits with their diplomatic strategy of engaging with the west.
They tried taking back the donbas, and were quite succesful, but then russian tanks started rolling in.
@@danielpustovoyt9726 When did they try? I did not really follow the conflict closely.
Greetings,
Jeff
That Smal-D realy going to scare the Russians…..
yes everything has a need
Imagine you are a Russian crying in the armoured vehicle and suddenly gets smoked by this system. The report would say KIA, (drilled by small d) lolz
100 M141 small d to defend Ukraine against the invasion of a professional Army? It is ridiculous.
Don't waste them guys, use them on 🇷🇺 personnel carriers send home lots of casualties.
I have the same patch on my field jacket from when I was with the 4th ID at Ft. Carson from 89 to 91.
4th Infantry. Steadfast and Loyal. Thank you for your service. My dad was in the 4th, Nam.
🇷🇺 personnel carriers are modernized, dude.
They got Explosive Reactive Armor, just like the tanks.
Only way knock em out is From underneath (105 rd or Massive landmine)
Your guys will very soon got a sold punch into teeth
you forget to say all of those shipment was out of date rockets included n-law,javelin and anty-bunker system.....selling useless carap to them make no sense,county is dead and bunkrupt.
No, not all of them were out of date. Thus far only seen evidence that Lithuania’s Stingers were over 10 years old. Different weapon systems have different shelf-lives but I wouldn't be surprised ifany of the systems had been sat for a while.
@@TheArmourersBench you really know details and i enjoy this convo.all stingers is will be fine even over 20 - 30 years of proper shellf life,problem was with Javelins is they very sensetive and minus 30C enviroment its biggest enemy of perfect anty tank system)
its mK1 instead of mk3. US will never share mk3
Prophetic or what? Russia did invade and was stopped in part due to these weapons,
Algorithm.
Thanks Mike! Appreciated.
@@TheArmourersBench You're welcome.
Anybody supplying RPGs to the Ukraine?
What's this SMAW-D thing good for, shooting down ICBMs? 😆
So, basically, it's less power, more costly and less universal version of RPG?
Depends on what unit of RPG you're talking about. The variable det warhead is significantly more flexible than most of the common RPG's you see in combat. RPG's are AT weapons that get used for other purposes. This is an anti-bunker weapon that can be pressed into AT roles in an urban environment.
I assume this is why they keep emphasising the "defensive weapons only" being sent to those great blokes in the Ukraine, because bunkers are a regular feature of offensive military operations.
They're also perfect for urban fighting.
@@TheArmourersBench - rgr that. I noticed at the end of your vid you'd made the same point I'd mused. Point is, it feels like it's consistent with the briefing, - of Brit tv news by govt., to emphasise "defensive", where it's not necessarily the case. I haven't heard a single objection to his affair on Brit tv news, not a one - to the possibility of Britain going to war with Russia, over.... the Ukraine. Quite the Information Policy Unit's success. *Javelin have also been delivered, of course. Likewise, "defensive". Another one, is the likes of Fergal Keane's "Ukrainian's across the political spectrum are united", with no mention whatsoever of the hundreds of thousands (?) who now have Russian passports, & Russian ethnicity: none of these ppl feature in UK tv 'news' reporting.
when an attacking force takes a target area they start fortifying because there is usually a counter attack it id ver important to dig in and it is very important to counter attack before the aggressors can be reinforced. so the defenders would be wanting to weaken any defences the attackers are working on.
@@miketaylor5212 - gun go bangbang
The international center for peace keeping. That is hilarious. That's exactly what started the war
The Russians are gonna blitz, not hunker down in bunkers and other structural defenses that this weapon is designed for.
This is like when your mechanic orders the wrong fanbelt & you're stuck bumming rides until the replacement comes in (7wks later)
As I mention in the video this is best deployed in urban fighting rather than in the defensive.
Drive into Kyiv in your APC and see how you feel when this hits you.
Meet NATO's new weapons testing ground😎
Many Russian soldiers would become disenchanted and morally question themselves as who are they fighting against. A few of them might defect to Ukrainian side or disobey their seniors.
@@o.b.6794 This time it is their ethnically closer Ukrainians where N number of Ukranians and Russians have kin/relatives on both sides of border. Even Babushkas are against this useless war. Georgians, Chechens belonged to different ethnicity. I am sure not all personnel and officers of Ru must be agreeing and happy with this.
Small D is a horrible name.
it's just going to be sold to the russians like those javelines.
russian propaganda lies
@@serhiiklymanskyi Ukrainian soldiers serving on the front line get paid 350 dollars a month. Others not on the front line get paid 150. You're living in a fantasy world if you think they won't take a 100,000 unit and sell it for 50,000.
@@darkquaesar2460 you think as russian, do not do that
@@serhiiklymanskyi When people think of russians they think of stalker bandits which are quintisential ukrainians. I can tell you right now that the ukrainian army is about to overthrow it's own government citing corruption.
Weapon aside, we are we (USA) in UKR again? What business do we have there? I say this as a person who loves the US and retired after 22 years AFS.
What if RUS sent their military to MEX as "advisors." How happy would the US be about that? We would likely put a few BCTs on the border, right?
Some Guy, can you imagine if a country on the US border was planning invasion, and Russia was arming them. There would be uproar. Yes I know its not a thing that will happen, but I do find US and UK interference annoying. Oh and I am from the UK.
The US presence (and the other NATO advisory teams) probably total around a hundred or so personnel. Not really a justification for massing 100,000 plus troops on the border of a sovereign country. Its pretty typical for States to invite allied nations in to train and exercise too so I don't know. I believe they have all been pulled out now anyway due to the threat of invasion.
they are there as i speak
Budapest Memorandum is that business, pal. We gave up third largest nuclear arsenal in the world for promises of peace and protection. Now its time to pay the debt.
@The Armourer's Bench I feel this suits Western leaders, a lot of them, for instance Boris, Biden, Macron, are domestically having difficulties back home. A conflict, or possible conflict in the East is a great distraction for them. I was also talking about the mass supplying of weapons to the Ukraine, not advisor's. I agree every nation has the right to sovereignty. I also understand Russia wanting a non Nato member as a buffer on its border. To be honest, I am just sick of leaders of countries, causing issues, conflicts, and removing of citizens freedoms.
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