How Viserys Targaryen became the Beggar King (Game of Thrones)
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I love how Viserys was super right about the assassins in every corner and all Dany did was doubt him, but as soon as she stayed in one place for long enough assassins came keeping up on her almost immediately
It's stated in the books that Robert never sent assassins after them only that one instance and only because Dany got pregnant. Before that Robert just view them as two pathetic children at the other side of the world. So yeah, Viserys was paranoid.
@@Viffido no he wasn’t because he was right, obviously they wouldn’t be “pathetic children” forever, if viserys and Danny married and had like 6 children all to be used for political purposes, Robert would try to kill them and most probably even before they ever married, viserys was right in a long con kind of way, and the assassin thing wasn’t just from Robert , Viserys was wise to move from place to place because being the last 2 members of a family that’s able to ride dragons, is very dangerous especially given their vulnerable state since we saw that it wasn’t only Robert that tried to kill Daenerys and Viserys. Even before the dragons hatched
@@Viffido Actually isn't that why Ned Stark was mad at him in the first place? He learned Robert had sent assassins after Literal children and thought it was Dishonorable.
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago Ned was mad because Tywin had Rhaegars children murdered and Robert did nothing to him for it. Later he was mad at Robert for sending assassins after them when he learned Dany was pregnant
Viserys had every right to be paranoid. Even if Robert hadn't sent assains yet. I would imagine I'd be just as paranoid that the people who murdered babies in their beds would come after me too. So his paranoia was not unfounded. This does not make his cruelty acceptable
He was a boy with memories of his brother dying in a war, his father the Mad King stabbed in the back by his own Kingsuard, caring for Dany after her birth led to his mother's death... yeah, not saying he was a Saint but that's a pretty traumatic childhood experience, definitely destroyed his trust in others. And that list isn't even all, that's just the main instances of fear/uncertainty/heartbreak.
They never ever explained this in the cinematic depiction. Nobody ever knew why he was the way he was, especially explained like this.
@@thisisntsergio1352
Precisely. Sad but true.
Although, at least we see Dany DID still have a little love for her brother, as her slight mentions of him and the fact she named one of her Dragons, her children, after him does have some implications.
I mean yeah..
Combine that with "you're the last of the super special people and you have to restore your family to its rightful place or thousand years of history will die with you"
and you get one tortured soul.
He was not a good man, but i sympathize with him
Also when he was born, it was after a series of miscarriages from Rhaella and the King (Aerys) was so overprotective that he locked Viserys up and not even Rhaella could see him for a while. When she was finally allowed to see Viserys, that's also when Aerys started abusing Rhaella and its very likely that Viserys heard or witnessed this. He was crowned by Rhaella and after her death, when they had to flee, he sold that crown and earned himself the title the beggar king. Dany said after he sold it all that was left in him was rage. Viserys was also afflicted by madness, and usually its the second Targaryen that is born that way. I’ve always felt a lot of pity for him, hes such a tragic character but there wasn’t much that could be done for him
Also Viserys was supposed to marry Daenerys in the Targaryen tradition so not only did he sell his crown he sold his wife as well.
i love viserys. i know he's an arrogant cruel villain but the actor really pulled it off and you can still feel a certain bit of sympathy
I reckon anyone that was in his place would end up more or less the same. A childhood running away from assassins who had taken away everything you've ever loved, selling away your pride & sentimental possessions bit by bit (their mother's crown), all whilst "taking care" of a baby sister. Can anyone see how that might be just a lil bit unhinging? LOL.
Such a tragic character, the depth of Visery's backstory is awesome. A shame that most people (at least that i've watch the show with or spoken to about the books years ago irl) don't look past the abusive nature, & see how it's just as easy to become that way themselves.
@@themagician5082 why they do that shit too that boy that is not real cool
thats crazy.
Yeah I also like him, and it’s completely understandable since his earliest memories were his brother dying in a war and his father getting executed by his own kingsguard, that would definitely make someone paranoid and plus his mother dying caused more trauma, and his servants robbing him as soon as William Darry died was probably the final nail in the coffin of his trust in others
@@billychops1280 I no he got rid of his own dragon eggs too get food 😔
Viserys Targaryen represents the person with big dreams, doing everything he could but would never come close to achieving it. A very sad reminder of reality.
Nope, Viserys did nothing of note other than bicker and try to speak his way into royalty. Even Danerys marriage was something that Ilyrio arranged. If Viserys had truly been wise and resourceful, he would have befriended or tried to befriend Drogo or at least skilled himself to be respected as a king. Remember this is a land where people with Power, Money and pull are respected. While Viserys was not wrong in expecting to be king, he did very little to achieve it. Selling off his sister as an asset (Which we in the modern world called Pimping and rightfully so) was the only "good" political move he did and he didn't even wait for the right time. In a real world, people who are dreaming big at least prepare themselves properly and wait. Yes, they fail, but they at least prepare well and are not delusional and entitled like Viserys. The game of thrones is a disgusting world indeed.
Viserys is definitely a product of his environment. The trauma of losing his family and having to fend for himself and his sister clearly took it's toll on his mental health. If Rhaegar had won at the trident I think Viserys would of grown up to be a better person.
Aerys made him weak and than the added stress broke him. I assume if he had a healthier childhood he would have been a lot better.
@@deviousalemanni4235 that's so sad. Children shouldn't grow up with stress
@BlackVenus the world of Planetos doesn’t have the same genetic repercussions as our world. At least for targarayens. IRL inbreds are ugly, Targaryen’s, like all of old Valyria are serene and beautiful, almost godlike in aesthetic.
@BlackVenus rhaegar would have usurped the mad king visery definitely would have been a better person
@@chicotheworld9763 Except Arya? 🤣
His story is kinda tragic but man his death was one of the best to watched
Very tragic caracter. I dont know whos the actor that portrayed him but he nailed it.
Harry Lloyd and yes he was a good actor and in my mind he would also be good in playing rhaegar targaryen as well instead of the guy who played rhaegar in the flashback because rhaegar was supposed to be handsome
@@rasallyjohansen3951 exactly!
Harry Lloyd
He also played as Loki in MCU
@@Brandonhayhew no he didn't - not even as an alternate Loki in the TV series. Tom Hiddleston played Loki (and many of the variants). He did, however, play a character in Doctor Who (And to play six-degrees-of-separation, Matt Smith played the 11th Doctor - not the Doctor Harry LLoyd appeared with - and is now playing a main Targaryen in House of the Dragon). Tom Hiddleston has never been in either Doctor Who or any Game of Thrones production.
One thing that always bugged me is why Doran and Oberyn didn’t just hide Viserys and Daenerys in Dorne. All they’d have to do is dye their hair a different colour and foster them either in the Water Gardens or with some other Dornish noble family. And they’d have been completely secret and safe since the Dornish all hate the rest of the Seven Kingdoms and neither Robert or anyone else on the Small Council ever ventured to Dorne save for one visit by Jon Arryn a year or so after the rebellion.
Because they were mad at the targaryens because rhaegar was married to Elia Martell and his secret Union with Layana Stark is what started the whole rebellion in the first place and they were no longer loyal to the Targaryen Dynasty
@@Caoimhin93 I still think Oberyn cared about Elia and Elia's children. He killed the mountain because of them
@@jaimeruiz521 “TRIED” to kill the Mountain lol
@@Giggity1080 undead men don't count. Robert Strong isn't Ser Gregor. It cost Oberyn's life but he killed him.
Rhaegar betrayed Elia. Oberyn would have killed Viserys and Daenerys in anger.
I bet if he lived up to his name he would have actually been A king. He only was killed after he started demanding things, instead of begging. I have a feeling if the war the five kings took off and visarys was actually viewed as a decent fellow by people. There may have been a drive to go back to the old way.
He lacked patience and was overly arrogant if he had just waited till rhago was born and been nicer to dany he might have gotten the throne .
@@thatoneblackdude3333 monke logic. nomad horse lords vs the lannisters.
@@Perkeletricksterservantofrher I mean Robert feared them for a reason
@@Perkeletricksterservantofrher barbaric apes can beat real soldiers if they are supported by 3 dragons.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Drogo had no NO plans of EVER going across the sea. His plan from the very beginning was stealing Dany and impregnating her. Simple as that. They had never crossed the narrow sea, and when talking to Dany before her brother ever even dies, he makes it clear they arnt going. Drogo was conning him and he caught on, and got sloppy.
thank you for keeping my interest in this series alive.
Harry Lloyd couldn't have done it better. I decided to try the books out after watching several seasons of the show and was consistently shocked at just how precise his portrayal and Martin's original character lined up. He's a petulant, spoiled child who you still manage to feel almost sorry for once he finally gets that crown, courtesy of Khal Drogo.
I kind of feel bad for Viserys if I want to be honest. Granted he was a colossal prick and an abusive excuse of a man but it wasn't entirely his fault.
He grew up completely sheltered in the red keep, because his mother was afraid that his mad father would one day turn his sick attention towards him. Then a war breaks out, he and his mom have to flee to dragonstone and there she dies while giving birth to Daenerys. So Viserys is already angry at Daenerys for killing his mom.
Then he and his sister are smuggled to safety by ser William darry and other loyal servants. Time and time again they had to run away because Robert was hunting them down as if they were some animals (and for crimes they had no part in)
Ser William darry, the only paternal figure Viserys could hope that would have make him a proper man suddenly falls sick and dies. And then the ungrateful servants run away with much of the Targeryen recourses thus condemning Viserys and Daenerys to just starve to death.
No wonder why the guy was a mess. I would have certainly be bitter and angry if I had to go through something similar
Did you ever 🤔 think that perhaps her Grace 👑 Queen Rhaella Targaryen had the undeniably evident awareness of the perilous position her son had after the sack of King's Landing and the horrific slaughter of her beloved royal grandbabies?!? I think she got him out of Dragonstone and put him into a protective custody down in Dorne with his kin the Lords of the Tourantine ~ House Dayne of Starfall (I always found it curious that one could sail directly from Dragonstone to Starfall if need be). Thoughts???
@@cliffordrose4335 if my memory serves me correctly, Viserys and rhaella were sent to dragonstone by Aerys as soon as Rhaegar's death at the battle of trident became public knowledge.
The news of the sack reached Viserys and his mother while they were there. That's why before her death, rhaella crowned Viserys King in hopes that this move would rally the Targeryen loyalists to their cause
@@cliffordrose4335 as for the daynes-the whole domain of dorne to be precise- they never got involved in Viserys movements. Apart from oberyn Martell who was willing to keep on fighting in his name until he was convinced by doran to stand down
@@user-ob4sq6fi3s Your memory of the chronology of Robert's Rebellion is correct. I suspect that her Grace 👑 Queen Rhaella had begun preemptively building a back up plan for the security and survival of her family soon after (less than a fortnight) the Mad King had the Stark nobles tortured to death in the Throne room of the Red Keep. She had to know then that her unpopular husband/brother had gone too far and would likely face an uprising. In my experience, battered women are very astute and very often get prepared weeks if not months in advance ( I volunteered for SERV years ago and took classes as well as an exam)
@@user-ob4sq6fi3s We really don't know what if anything at all House Dayne did while the War of the Usurper was still ongoing. GRRM does not want us to know what the legendary Lady Ashara was doing after she was granted leave from the royal household of Princess Elia. GRRM had only slyly declared that she was not nailed to the floor at Starfall . . . they have horses and ships. She may have very well been involved in a secret plan B on behalf of her kin ~ the Queen Rhaella Targaryen who needed all the help she could convince to help her as the tide of the rebellion turned decisively against the 👑. What wouldn't 🤔 the best friends of the Crown Prince Rhaegar do for his mother in her time of crises?!?
Do you believe that her Grace did little more than knit baby blankets for 37 weeks on Dragonstone while in sanctuary there?? I 🤔 think that she had the means, the motivation and the opportunity to save her last remaining Targaryen from the horrific slaughter that befell Princess Elia and her beloved royal grandbabies. Queen Rhaella had resources while on Dragonstone (a maester with trained ravens and probably money and a jewelry box too even official royal insignia stationary . . .we know she had knights and squires and the royal Targaryen Navy).
Nice video, Viserys is an underrated character and overly dispised by casuals and mostly ignored by book readers. I like his character and was one of the highlights on the series and the books, very complex, I wish that him and Robb Stark had at least a POV chapter, would be interesting.
You know what I'd love to see? A video on Dalton Greyjoy, the Red Kraken. Seeing as how he fought against the Lannisters in the Dance of Dragons he should show up in House of the Dragon, though I suspect later season 1 or season 2. I hope there's enough detail on him for a video
I say season 2 or 3 as season one will end with the battle above storms end lucerys and arrax are met and killed by prince aemond one eye and vhagar .
@@rafaelluna3564 True, I just thought potential season 1 as a kind of tease intro for him. Maybe we'll hear him by name at the least
@@rafaelluna3564 How does it feel to be spot on?
Honestly, out of all the Targaryens, Viserys was probably one of the toughest. He wasn't the best ruler material, nor was he peculiarly talented, but knowing what he lived through, and even more so knowing that he remembered the way of living that was taken from him, it takes some significant strength to not only survive, but retain at least a semblance of prestige, and to raise raise his sister. Daenerys had it much easier, because she didn't really know a different life. But Viserys the IIIrd knew, and survived. Truly an underrated character
Still got what he deserved tho
Dany definitely did not have it easier-she was a victim of rape and a slave. Viserys was an abuser who would have been a terrible leader and king; just because you feel sympathy for someones past does not mean we forgive them for the person they became/
Lol no
@@skinnypomegranate
"Dany definitely did not have it easier-she was a victim of rape and a slave. Viserys was an abuser who would have been a terrible leader and king; just because you feel sympathy for someones past does not mean we forgive them for the person they became"
Skinny describes it pretty well.
@@concept5631 Was she touched by Visery's? I saw the video where Viserys was inspecting her so she can present herself to Drogo but no feelings more than that just like looking at an item to sell so I thought he actually don't feel anything for her sister.
Please do a video about the most terrifying places in the known world, like The Dreadfort, the Nightfort, the Lands of Always Winter, Hellholt, Valirya, Asshai by the Shadow, the Bone Mountains, Hardhome, Harrenhal and such!
I know he's a pretty bad dude but i always felt bad for him. He was too young during Robert's rebellion but still old enough to remember a time that his family ruled. He just wanted it back but it twisted him
I don't think that Viserys was inherently mad. His actions were inexcusable but I feel kinda bad and understood him. He turned out the way he was mostly because of the environment he was in. And I blame Baristan Selmy for this. He had no moral high ground to criticize Jaime when he himself is a turncloack. Willem Darry was more Kingsguard than he ever will be. Had he helped raise Viserys and Danny things would be a lot different. Keep in mind the Targaryen siblings were in a very poor state at this time. Constantly being chased by assassins, starving and homeless. But if Selmy was at their side none on these would have happened. Viserys wouldn't be so easily manipulated by Ilyrio and he would have been a decent fighter as Baristan would have trained him.
Agreed, the show simplify his story and made him too one dimensional for the most part, when you understand his background you actually end up having sympathy for his character, he was def a product of his environment and got a bad deal regarding his luck.
I suspect he'd had tendencies like his dad, but like aerys who only really went completely off the rails after duskendale, it only turned into true madness as a result of trauma.
Baristan was busy being almost completely killed on the Trident, he wasn't in a position to do anything about any of that lol. It's not like he abandoned them.
@@johns1625 lol he did by chosing to serve Robert instead of finding and taking care of the Targaryen siblings he broke all his vows to Aerys II. This is the man who killed Maelys , killed Simone Toyne and scaled the castle of Duskendale all by himself yet couldn't find a way to escape Westeros and serve Danny and Vis? Absurd! He's arguably worse than Jaime
@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400you know what, you're actually damn right. If he wanted to he could slithering to Essos, i mean who could possibly stop him?
selmy is weak mentally imo, if Joffrey didn't dismiss him he prolly would serve joffrey like a dog
There's something tragic about Viserys...
Ah well at least he's flying as a dragon and won't die in the next book...
Even when viserys was a "king" he was still a child or young man at best... He's was set up to fail if ya think about it. He would been no better then jof .
That’s fair, if someone like Jorah came along sooner and raised them he’d probably be a competent leader.
His mom love for him too have the throne just like joffrey mom did 🐉🐉
Jorah kinda got him killed
@@MrVictor1227 I no that
@@cameronthurman8454 I am being serious. He was translating the conversation between Khal Drogo and Viserys right before Khal Drogo gets pissed for something Jorah said that was supposedly said by Viserys. Then Khal Drogo gets angry and kills Viserys. There is a video about that
Honestly you keep this stuff alive. I’m too tired of waiting for winds
Why didn't Oberyn help Viserys and Daenerys after Willem died...They slept on streets and could have died and the Dornish plan would have gone to ground
the dornish are idiots.
Plot Hole i guess
There's a strange trend of Doran planning something and then just waiting/expecting it to just happen, but it does feel like a plot hole really
I believe Dorne never intended to ally with the Targaryens at all
@@clamshelljuice what about Doran's plan to marry Quentin and Dany?
The Martells could have just faked Viserys and Dany death. In order to secretly rise them in Dorne, until they were old enough to take bake the throne.
It’s hard to believe Viserys turned out so shitty and pompous after all the time he spent homeless and begging with his baby sister. Most characters would come out of that humbled.
Not Viserys.
That happens when you refuse to accept your reality and live in a fantasy, because accepting what happend means that is real. You think he was bad by refusing that? Imagine if he accepted that he was a normal weak human, not a dragon, and that no one wanted or waited for him or his sister, in Westeros. It would have been worse.
@@braveandblessed9279 Right. The Starks certainly learned that lesson the hard way after the Red wedding.
Targaryen lost everything because of Rhaegar and Aerys reality is harsh but so did the Starks and Lannister
It's mostly anger. He feels cheated out of the life he thought he deserved.
Why is it hard to believe that a child of incest ina family with a 50/50 history of madness grows up to be mad, again?
What would have been life for Viserys and Dany if their mother had survived Dany's birth and/or if they had been secretly raised in Sunspeer?
Ah, Viserys: living proof that sometimes third time (he's third of his name) isn't always the charm.
“Brave men didn’t kill dragons , they rode them”
Crazy how the targs whittled down to just one family line. How did that happen...youd think the blackfyres would have long made a move. How longs it take for a company of gold. Also, how it was a baratheon who ultimately brought down the Targaryen, given their family origins.
He’s a pretty tragic character. I was satisfied when he died, but I also felt kinda bad for him. I mean, he was awful. But he was also a victim of fucked up circumstance. I love the nuance in the first 4 seasons
His fate was sealed practically the moment he struck that bargain with Drogo. He made the mistake of thinking of Drogo as just another mercenary or robber baron he could enlist by pimping his sister, and that once he’s king he’ll just toss them some titles and plop them on some bog land somewhere. Drogo’s like “thanks for the gift, little man. But these warriors are loyal to me, not you. This is MY army and my empire, which I’m gonna build on the rubble of yours if I feel ambitious enough. Your sister is just the icing on the cake. She’s the key to MY claim. Now go water the horses😆”
That’s why Illytio told his dumbass to stay in Pentos. He knew what a terrible impression he’d make on the Dothraki if he rode with them. Also figured Viserys might use the time to enlist more allies, so that he’s not just relying on Drogo.
But nope. Like any control freak with an inferiority complex, he HAS to believe he’s in charge and prove he’s not the political puppet he actually is.
As I watched him die yesterday I wished for a video on him and it’s exactly what I found today 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Viserys is just a kid who lost everything from such a young age. Viserys got nothing and became a beggar, his just a loser and lost angry kid.
He was a straight up psycho and got what was coming for himm
@No One I mean yeah... Everything can be excused...But he claims to be a Targaryen (he is) but he treats her blood, Daenerys like shit... That's not Targaryen... Targaryens value blood
I like the scene in the fifth book the final chapter of danerys, when she started imagining what vaserys would say
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Phenomenal actor and entertaining weasel of a character
You have a very good story telling voice Nice work I enjoyed.
3:56 Why does he kinda look like GRRM? 😭
Bro it's on purpose
@@guil7290 i guessed the artist took some creative liberties but still its kinda funny/wholesome to see GRRM sat next to and caring for his "creations"
Lol @ 'kinda'. That's 100% GRRM, bro.
Tbh I would love more on Viserys... I think he is a very very interesting guy
Thank you for still putting out ASOIAF content
Traumatizing childhoods are never good!
His actions leading up to his death were inexcusable but I can't help but feel bad fi Viserys. He tried his best but ultimately buckled under the weight of the hand that life dealt him and it's just really sad
He definitely did not try his best💀
It was Doran Martel that did not want to honour the pact until his daughter was old enough.
Had no idea that Daenerys parents were brother and sister. She looks way too normal.
Dany should’ve just had him banished. No matter what he did, he’s her brother. Her blood. You don’t let your family die, and much less in that horrifying way. She could’ve just told Drogo to banish him, perhaps traveling the world by himself would’ve finally made Viserys a man
If he had grown to the size of the Hound, he would have been called the "Bigger" king instead.
I kinda feel bad for him
Yes it's scary and real bad 🌷
the "famed" targaryen madness, appeared actually not that often. Atleast in the form most speak about. Honestly selmy saying a little boy already showed the signs of madness seemed more like a poor accuse to me. Afterall this came from the man that served and helped the mad king for years.
I feel empathy for both Viserys and Daenerys both of them born out of incest to a house that had become a shadow of its former glory and obsessed with bloodline, then to be hunted by Robert Baratheon and without a real home or any family. They are both screwed up for those reasons in their own ways. You could really see it in the show.
Meanwhile Bobby’s B’s “kids”…😂
9:23 I hate how ASOIAF CZcamsrs use the board game map as the “official” map of Westeros. It’s so Inaccurate.
I think of this story when I listen to the song “Rule #4 - Fish inside a bird cage”
After the Dance of the dragons targaryns lost many and all dragons and not a strong heir. But Cregan Stark made 6 year old Aegon as King. The Vale and Riverlands supported it. every one knows that any one who raises against the crown and start a civil war the armies of the north and vale will come and protect the Targaryns. After burning the Starks mad king burned his throne also.
Lol he got a Golden Shower
Stanis, the most honorable man in Westeros would have never killed children.
He was willing to kill his own nephew for a fire goddess. he definitely would’ve killed them
@@Bryce911 no he was going to let melisandra sacrifice him, and Stannis before Robert died and after are 2 completely different characters. The crown got to him. Not saying he wouldn't have sent the children to Robert to meet their fate, but he wouldn't have given the order or done it himself
@@dghboy212 that makes sense. After Robert died he was obsessed with his right to the throne and Was desperate enough to let Melisandre cloud his mind. I’m just now remembered about shireen too🤦🏽♂️.
Honorable but not merciful one bit. He was as honorable as Eddard but much more ruthless.
@@guil7290 True, plus Books Stannis and Show Stannis are different. It was o horrible that many characters were changed for the worst in the show.
Wonder why darry didn't tell them to somehow get to dorn, from his deathbed
Sup WhyCreate, I lost interest in the World of Ice and fire after season 8 of got. I e been watching your videos and now I plan to read all the books, thank you
Read them! Or at least listen the audiobooks. A master saga. Will be remember aa don quijote or the lord of the rings, its epic!
Definitely read them. Ignore the people who say don’t read because the last two are taking an eternity to finish, they’re way better than the tv series.
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imagine if viserys actually got away with a dragon egg....
The GOAT Vizzy T. RIP to the Beggar King, mad respect for him.
What a sad and pathetic fate for a Dragon...
harry lloyd does a phenomenal job of portraying viserys in season 1, while he’s quite awful and vile, i feel incredibly sorry for him as well. But he was not a dragon
To be honest i wasn't surprised by his death this guy why straight delusional
What if the mad king had 3 dragons? What would have happened to the rebellion?
I think " Blood and Fire" will answer more about the time of Dany in Essos
The worst thing about him is that he died because of his sister who is alive because of him. A bitch of a sister and a bad life but his legacy is remembered.
what legacy.
Ok super random question and I know everyone’s on the house of dragon hype train but I can’t stop thinking! What do you think would have happened had Ned been sent to the wall instead of beheaded??? Would the north have backed stannis in a bid to reinstate Ned? Would the north have aided the walls against the wildlings? So many questions 😬
Ship them to Bravos...
Or maybe Dorne :D
Viserys grew up in the Red Keep, protected with a mother who loved him and a father who Viserys was kept ignorant about his true insanity. He was the spare to the Throne and most likely well taken care of.
Then it appears that his father is being rebelled against for no reason. His brother disappears with Lyanna Stark and he's moved to Dragonstone with his pregnant mother. His beloved mother dies in childbirth, leaving Dany only with the girl who cared for her as their "birthright"is stolen, his father is betrayed and the children are nearly betrayed by the garrison before loyalists steal them away to Braavos(or not Braavos, given the stories around it).
Viserys lives in exile, with the Targaryens robbed and thrown out when Willem Darry, their last supporter, dies(not knowing of the marriage pact Darry signed for him). He lives in terror of being assassinated and says that Robert has "made attempts"(which is sheer paranoia, as we find out that Robert decided to follow Jon Arryn's advice and let the children live, against his better judgement). He sells his last heirloom of his kingdom and his mother when he sells her crown and Dany says that was when he lost all his joy in life. He feasted different sellsword companies and begs for help to take the Seven Kingdoms and is laughed at. All the while, he looks after Dany, sometimes being a good brother, but more often lost to rage and taking it out on the only person he feels he can.
At Illyrio's house, he's still mocked as the Beggar King. His impatience and arrogance nearly makes him ruin the deal with Khal Drogo and his sister shames him on the Dothraki sea by making him walk, which is only compounded when Drogo offers him the cart(for cripples and eunuchs)and is mocked as "Sorefoot King'and "Cart King"in turn.
In Vaes Dothrak, he is "ordered"to come to dinner with Dany, which gets his back up(which is likely why he treated her so poorly). However, on the other side of things, by the time they arrive in Vaes Dothrak, Dany is already planning to usurp him, though maybe not out loud(she notes as she considers the Bloodriders, comparing them to the Kingsguard, when her SON takes the Iron Throne, he will need Bloodriders of his own. Why would Viserys allow that unless he was dead?)Dany stands up to him and he promises revenge. Then he attempts to steal the dragon eggs and Jorah spurns him(Jorah, who swore his service to Viserys and promptly abandoned and ignored him soon after in favor of Dany.)
Lets consider all this before Viserys,drunk, comes to the tent where the Khals are partying, is stopped by Jorah on Dany's orders and then told he can't sit with the Khals, but can sit with the eunuchs, cripples and braidless boys as the Khals laugh at him. Viserys, drunk, broken and laughing and crying, draws his sword as he weeps and threatens Dany, wanting his crown. When Dany translates and Drogo makes his promise(Viserys's death), Viserys puts up the sword and finally smiles. "Thats all I wanted. What was promised." Dany says the smile was what hurt her afterwards.
With all we learn of him, I see Viserys as one of the most tragic characters of the series and he just wanted ONE thing to go his way. To have a promise kept, to get something to make him not feel like a weakling and a beggar.
How come there are so many actors willing and flawlessly pulling off scumbag characters *and to top it all off be saints irl?*
So in the end it's the same old story of a traumatized child growing up to be an abuser. Now I feel sad for Viserys.
Rhaegar already knew his father was horrible
Oh yeah, I forgot he even existed 😆
WC!!!!!
Viserys is a tragic figure. He was in no way capable of living up to the task that was forced upon him. He would never have been able to unite The Seven Kingdoms. He would never inspire loyalty in others. He did his best, but it was an impossible task for him. I can see why he turned so bitter and violent. His father instilled an arrogance in him, so adding bitterness to it was an even bigger hurdle for him.
He was memorable. And he went out in quite an epic (and tragic) ending. He should have listened to his sister. But by the end, he was too far gone.
His reign did not last long, but he was actually crowned. Something his sister failed. And one more thing for Jon - throw a lamp in the Castle Black. Yep.
Mad King sent away his own wife and children, but forced Rhaegars wife and children to stay in Kings Landing during the seige. In fact, Rhaegars family was safe and secure on Dragonstone(Rhaegar loyalist stronghold) during the war, but Mad King ordered them to come to Kings Landing to act as hostages and force Dorn to help in the war.
Elia Martel (Rhaegars wife) totally focked up. She should have refused the order or at the very least only gone to Kings Landing herself, leaving her kids safe on Dragonstone. Lannisters only killed Elia and her children because she came to KL. She should have refused the order or tried sailing to Dorn instead. She made a bad move. Just like her husband👍
I really cant see the targaryens ruling with no dragons smh those damn 129 AC to 131 AC Targaryens really fucked up the game for them and Aerys the II really put the nail in the coffin
Is unbelievable Viserys did not learn anything from living in the streets and visiting such different places in the Free Cities, but no, he had to remain in his fake royal bubble instead of actually learning to conquer or rule (or to stay alive in his precarious situation).
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So basically Daenerys is the rightful heir to the throne since her brother viserys was the last crown prince
Jon is the next heir cuz he's a Male. They always went with males.
@@gudhaxer41343 jon is rheagar's child, so it doesn't matter what gender jon is, he would still be the rightfull heir
@@cyandamadlala9610 But Jon is a bastard of Rhaegar and Lyana.
@@cyandamadlala9610 Jon is a bastard in the books, the sooner show fans accept that the better.
@@ibrahimmustafa2481 bastard or not, show had a marriage scene. To me that does not matter because he lost everything. Targaryen dynasty is over. The throne is like elective monarchy
Khal Rhaggat.
But seriously, I sometimes even see Viserys as a victim of Dany. The proof is also in the text. Go and re-read AGoT.
The chapter before Visery's death, Dany arrives in vaes dothrak, and her and Jorah chat about westoros, about how the kingsuard didn't work as a member (Jaime) betrayed Aerys. Dany then remarks in her inner monologue, "WHen my son sits the iron throne, he will have bloodriders before a kingsguard" (They come up to Drogo's weird hut palace and she sees his bloodriders out front)
Note, viserys is well and truly alive. He is looked down upon, but he has done nothing yet to deserve to die.
Dany was already planning on how to get Viserys out of the way.
Now dany is a narcissist. SHe has a self conceptualized idea of herself as good, benevolent and kind. However, she is also power hungry, and willing to do just about anything to get that power, so long as it doesn't mess with her self image she uses to cope and justify herself.
Eg after viserys dies, Dany goes from loving wife to schemer, Trying to fin ways to manipulate drogo to invade westoros. Now eventually Varys' plot with the wine merchant and jorah saving her works, and drogo gets motivated to attack Bobby B. Next chapter is the rape of the Lhazarean. Dany solidifies herself and says she is th blood of the dragon and that this is all fine, and looks away from the horrors. Childrens heads litter the street. She even looks away from Ereoh who is being raped. It's only when the girl lets out such a blood curling scream of desperation Dany is affected and turns around and "saves" her. It's only that Eroeh found a way to make danny uncomfortable, that Dany bothered to do anything.
It hurt her self image.
Then next chapte, Drogo is dying. Dany, literally has the gall in her internal monologue to think somthing like "Why were the gods so cruel. She had finally found a safe place. Love. SHe was finally going home"
One chapter ago, at her behest, Drogo was pillaging and raping an entire town/city to buy boats to get to westoros. Yet when life hits her, "the gods are cruel".
I think Dany wanted viserys out of the picture from about chapter 2/3 of hers. SHe just didn't know how to do it without breaking her own self image. I think she deliberately shamed him in front of the khalasar so they would never give him an army. To forc a confrontation she would eventually benefit from.
That being said, viserys did himself 0 favours. But he really only features in 3 chapters. Bringing Dany to Drogo's pentos party. Slapping Dany in the great grass sea and then being demoted to Khal sorefoot then Kha rhaggat. Then his death chapter.
We could always argue that Dany, as a victim of him herself was taking out all her resentment. Overall though i don't think he deserved to die. Fair outcome is exile, and he lives, or more likely dies, on his own.
Tragic figure….Viserys
After reading "Fire & Blood" I came upon a curiosity. On page 374 ArchMaester Gyldyne's observance of Prince Laenor Velaryon and the purple eyes, aquiline nose and silvery white hair that bespoke his Valyrian blood. Only one other person in all the aSoI&F books with those three particular physical features is the Darkstar ~ Ser Gerold Dayne.
I began to wonder if the midnight black streak of hair on the Darkstar's slivery-white head was hair dye ala (f)Aegon in DANCE and the blue hair dye of Young Griff. GRRM does display a tendency for the literary device of false identity throughout the 📚 books and I 🤔 think he has a fetish for it honestly. As there are over the course of all the novellas and books more than 27 imposters, substitutes, frauds, bastard deceptions, replacements, child swaps, etc, etc. What false identity would be of greater plot significance than for Ser Gerold Dayne to be revealed in the epilogue of WINDS as 👑 King Viserys III ~ Great-Great grandson of Prince Maekar Targaryen and Lady Dyanna Dayne?!?
It would make all the seeds that GRRM planted throughout the books like DANCE and FEAST make sense 🤔 regarding the Darkstar and why GRRM doesn't want us to know when exactly he was born nor to whom he was born . . . but we do know who gave birth to the newborn Laenor Velaryon don't we? A Royal Targaryen princess in Rhaenys Targaryen aka the Queen who never was so it begs the question for me . . . did the newborn Gerold Dayne have a Royal Targaryen mother too in 👑 Queen Rhaella Targaryen?!?
Keep in mind how Prince Tommen Baratheon (a false identity via bastard deception) was so precious to Lannister loyalists in CLASH as 👑 Stannis sailed with his armada on the capitol . . . that he was placed into a false identity of a dark hair dyed page at Castle Rosby by the Hand of the King Lord Tyrion Lannister. So the precedent for hiding a high value royal child into a false identity at a castle is not an original occurrence then. "Hermitage" translates to the disinherited and so the Castle High Hermitage sounds like a great place to shelter an exiled boy 👑 as it's probably reclusive and removed from the hustle & bustle of common folk and nobles alike going about their daily lives in Dorne.
Why was Princess Myrcella Baratheon (yet another false identity via bastardy) provided a Royal decoy in her cousin Rosamund for her security detail down to Dorne but not one of the Targaryen loyalists on Dragonstone thought 🤔 it might be a good idea to secretly recruit a Royal decoy for Prince Viserys III from among the seeds in Dragonstone village . . . even after the royal family ~ children and all~ were slaughtered during the sack of King's Landing?!? Why does GRRM want us to know about the Valyrian blood that flows through so many of the residents of Dragonstone and how they have purple eyes and platinum hair like Targaryens do?!?
He literally took out his trauma on his little sister because there was nobody there to help him through it. He’s a tragic character. What really fucked me up was how Dany allowed him to be murdered. She got power hungry when she became a Khaleesi. That’s it.
She got revenge because he abused and traumatized her? I wouldn't pin her killing him for it as being totally "power hungry"
Why are you blaming dany for the pain he caused on her she was a child. He did everything he wanted to her to get what he wanted.
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Everyone defending Dany is a clown the man literally carried her on his back and because he yelled at her sometimes she betrayed him because he was being a meanie head , God I hate Dany and her fans
Honestly, if i wrote the books, i would try to redeem ol V-man. Dont @ me
and it was Ned Stark that helped them escaped
I can't blame viserys for everything tbh, sure he wasn't good but he wasn't bad either
Sad
Wild Theory what if Danny is not Aerys's daughter but someone else's like a kingsguard (Barristan or the "old knight") ?
Interesting, I don’t think that would end up being true because Dany is supposed to be the last Targaryen and heir to the throne. That would make her story more tragic in my opinion.
Well Aerys had a lot of trouble trying to conceive Viserys and then in the Middle of the rebellion he concieved Danny without any problem, also that would make her claim to the throne lesser than John's
Enjoy this channel very much, but you should branch out from Martin, a lot of us are done. A lot aren’t, but year after year of the same crap and people will come around eventually.
Nobody wanted fire and blood, we wanted an ending, that’s the problem...
just dont watch then?
How about you look for other channels? If you're not interested anymore, move on. This creator has amazing content and a steady fast audience, let him be.
Also there's a new adaptation coming, which means there will be more traffic to GRRM related channels. This is the worst time to start branching out.
If you want to move on from Martin's work, move on, look for other creators instead of pestering this one.
talking softly is fine, but you should annunciate your words fully. some bits, like talking about Oberyn’s choice, are hard to understand.
Targaryens be like: “Why are we unable to have children?” They say as they perform massive inbreeding.
video starts at 4:54
smh...
His death was unjust and unnecessary. His background and character were so interesting, I would have loved to see him grow and rebuild house of Targaryan. I blame Daenarys for killing her brother, she should have died and not continued for another 8 season. But that was this shows curse killing al the good characters and let the stupid&uninteresting ones live.
Complain with the author...
Daenerys is not only the best character on the show, but one of the best characters of all time. Full stop. Just because YOU have an attachment to abusive characters, like Viserys, doesn't mean there aren't far more interesting and impactful characters.
I find it stupid that your blaming Daenerys when he cause all this pain to her doing all these things to her to get what he wanted.
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Exactly grrm thinks simply killing characters for the sake of subverting expectations is good story telling. Also her killing him is one of the multiple hints of her being another mad targaryen but people still thinks she is some savior
Are you sick man? Your voice seems a little off, hope you get better if you are sick.
Do the targaryens have bipolar disorders or smt?
Why was Viserys his father's heir and not his nephew Aegon? The son of the first son comes before the second son.
Aegon was a baby at that time, Rhaegar was the only adult man around the Targaryen. Viserys was a kid, 8 year old
@@Brandonhayhew I understand that, but it doesn't change that fact that after Rhaegar died his son Aegon, baby or not, should have been his grandfather's heir, not his uncle Viserys.
Hello you people have entered my view and therefore are allowed to exist, until I turn my head of course
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I appreciate what Tolkien created and I have read all his books and watched the movies. Hate all the woke shit these days too but whatever. I love the new show sorry not sorry
Viserys' Beggar King nickname is incredibly badass sounding for such a pathetic character.
Bruh how is beggar kind badass
Could be the king of all beggars, which actually could be badass af
Buuut here we are
Not a all pathetic. Just a litlle crazy. The fact that he was right about many things even after he died shows that
The TV show is better than the books change my mind!!!
Are you talking about the whole show or just season 1?
@@OneFiction666 i was just trying to get a rise out of ppl never read the books but I liked the show minus the last couple seasons like everyone else but I'm a stannis fan so I hear hes still alive in the books so I should read em
@@stomper5432 yep, I'm actually reading the books for the first time currently and I would recommend.
@@OneFiction666 do the books start from the very beginning like back in the valerian days or does it start where the show does?
@@stomper5432 no it starts just like in the show, the valerian stuff is just mentioned by characters later and in the extended history books