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- Title IX outlawed gender discrimination in publicly funded educational programs, including athletics. But something went wrong in the law's implementation, and Title IX turned into a quota system, forcing equal numbers of male and female athletes. Over time, this has forced the culling of men's sports programs to maintain equal numbers. As the number of athletic programs for men dwindles, the Factual Feminist asks: can college sports survive Title IX?
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Only a feminist can turn a person's choice into discrimination.
PacificRimNZ "Are you telling me that this woman doesn't WANT to be in sports? That school is misogynist!"
"Check your facts, not your privilege."
Nice! xD
I need that on a t-shirt
ugh, i'd just go with "check your facts, not even give those jerks a mention.
It's sad too, if it was just the core components then it would be a movement to have people aware of the advantages and disadvantages of many many people with easy to understand phrases.... But then are turned in to epithets and horrible horrible fighting and bickering and vilifying anyone and everyone.
it could have been so much better than the shit and "cheque ur privilageay" bullshit.
it's bad things happening to good ideas! that seems to be the pervasive theme in ALL of this.
I was like damn; "Check your facts, not your privilege".was like her doing a wrestling move slamming Women's Sports Foundation through a table.
Title X should dictate that drama and choir clubs be 50 percent male and not allow any more women in.
Exactly!
YogGroove Dance as well, especially at the middle school/high school levels in Ballet.
There's something Orwellian about this whole quota system thing. YOU WILL PLAY SPORTS AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!
Biggsy DaOneTrueKing Well speaking of the Orwellian, it's like in Animal Farm where the slogans were slowly morphed. "Feminism protects women" has morphed into "Feminism protects women from themselves."
Biggsy DaOneTrueKing I remember in the 90s it was perfectly acceptable to say something like "I believe in equality for women, but I'm not a feminist." Now anyone who claims not to be a feminist is labelled a misogynist! My prediction is that someday, anyone who doesn't *actively* *proclaim* to be a feminist on a regular basis will be regarded with suspicion!
Biggsy DaOneTrueKing It's ok. Most women don't even identify as feminists because of the bad name the radicals have given them. If only they knew that the radicals aren't even a minority, and that they've actually affected policy that is extremely sexist against men, they would downright rebel against feminism altogether.
crackerkiller89 That's a fun fantasy, but most women do know about the laws that negatively affect men. The only ones that care do so because they have a son and empathy. Or they could just be women that can see the discrimination of men and boys today could jeopardize their continued future of cushy living.
There's something Orwellian about *any* quota systems...
Greetings from Sweden! When I watch these videos my faith in humanity is slightly restored. Many of the issues you describe in the states are very similar to what we´re experiencing in Sweden, especially regarding the new wave of feminists who seem to do more harm than good. Anyway, I just wanted to thank you.
I really respect Mrs. Sommers because she always knows what she's talking about. She's spot on about everything and she explains all of her points using actual facts, statistics, laws etc. and not just emotions and ideologies.
If only she were the face of feminism instead of big red and Sarkeesian.
I remember a programmer from... Denmark, maybe... talking about forced quota laws in the workplace. I don't remember the specifics but that's not the important part, so just take this as a hypothetical example.
Women who could barely program were hired over men who excelled at it because so few women applied for the job that they had to hire almost all of them regardless of merit. The end result was that female programmers wound up with a negative stigma attached to them _regardless of merit_.
The original plan was to create an equal number of students of each race. This is inherently flawed because it allows entrance based on racial discrimination instead of academic prowess. The top 60% of applicants are Asian but are only allowed to account for 25% of the school population, so that other races "have a chance". In reality you're handing inferior students a free pass for having a certain skin colour. Arguably more discriminatory than admission based on grades alone. I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but I stand by my affirmation that racial equality means that all people's have an equal chance. In the current system, some races have an over-leaping college acceptance rate, merely based on disparate admission rates of the past.
kevin Shupenia Oh no, I agree with you entirely. I was just pointing out the consequences of that system.
People who qualify for something shouldn't be denied it because they're the wrong colour.
"Check your facts, not your privilege."
Great quote. Do you mind if I use it?
I agree that there should be equality of opportunity, but there should not be equality of outcome.
My highschool didn't have a girl's soccer team. A handfull of girls collected signatures from enough other girls to form a 7-a-side team, and the school allowed the official formation of a club and team with a full allocated budget to be used as needed. There was no team due to lack of interest, interested girls asked for a team, and they got one, not because legal reasons, but because it is what schools should do: enable students to grow and discover.
This is equality; equality of opportunity. The quota system of equality instead would dictate that 14 girls be chosen to fill the positions of a team that half of them don't want to be involved in.
Old news to me. My dad wrestled in college back in the day, went to the Olympic trials, was a high school wrestling coach for decades, and even was the first coach to Tela O'Donnell, who was on the U.S. first female Olympic wrestling team. So I heard him complain all about how colleges were being forced to close down their wrestling programs. My dad helped pioneer girls wrestling in Alaska, but even though there are a lot more female wrestlers than there used to be, they're still a tiny fraction of male wrestlers. So, of course Wrestling was one of the first sports to get the ax. Ironically, this made it MORE difficult for Tela to find a college wrestling program to get into. Her choices were severely limited because so few colleges have any sort of wrestling program at all anymore, let alone women's wrestling programs. They do exist and she found one, but as I said, her choices were severely limited.
One college I applied to has a women's fencing team, but not a men's fencing team, because of Title IX, and that really bummed me out, because I (as a male) wanted to fence on a team.
I'm seriously wondering this:
Would the Women's Sports Foundation be upset if a university had a *higher* proportion of women in sports than enrolled? (Which is highly unlikely, but for the sake of the argument.) Is their goal truly equality?
As an Aussie, seeing this happening in the US is utter insanity. Check your facts, not you privilege - very important.
I AM SOOO HAPPY someone with such class is bashing the idiocy that is "Check your privilege." It has never been anything more or less than, "If you disagree with my fact-less garbage, you are ignorant and wrong."
This week in 1972, Title IX was signed into law by President Nixon. What happens when bad things happen to good laws? The Factual Feminist explains in this week's new episode.
tam jk
The things the women's organizations she mentions are working for need to be undermined.
But I'm not going to respect it. And there's nothing you can do about it.
@tam jk, you aren't commenting on the topic. Title 9 has turned into a men's sports terminator and it isn't fair and equal. The baseball team I played for in college it's now extinct because of title 9. Why aren't enrollments 50/50? Nobody is attacking what women have accomplished in the past, everyone praises those accomplishments.
tam jk I do not believe she is concerned with the "world" problems in this particular channel. The focus is activist groups and the pressure they exert here in the U.S. and the discrepancies that it creates based on faulty information and unchecked facts. She strives to illuminate these discrepancies, serving as a sort of checks and balances.
The world scene is completely different than the scene in the United States.
tam jk in third world ccountrys maybe not in america or any civilized country and no these organizations dont deserve respect
My university, has gotten rid of man sports such as Wrestling and swimming and diving. The official reason quoted by the university is Title 9, And has than added two more women teams. Currently their are 7 Men and 11 women team. It's funny how title 9 only seems to work one way. As of right now Men are being discriminated against. If you look at the participants of IM sport competition it is mostly male, if you look at student attendance at school sporting events it's mostly males. Males are the most interested in sports, but in short only have half the sport teams that women teams have. How is that fair?
The reason that only a few women were allowed train in medicine is because it was recognised they would not be up to the long hard work and lifetime committment necessary to justify the years in training. This logic is proven today when we have eequal numbers (at least) of women training as doctors but few remaining more than ten years in the profession. And of those who do not give up to get married or join another industry like pharmaceuticals they choose to work much shorter and more socialble hours than men..... cough..... gender pay gap.... cough. Hence the shortage of doctors in western countries. Male doctors qualify then go on to work 60 hour weeks and weekends for 50 years. Women doctors qualify, go to Machu Pichu or the rainforest to 'find themselves', come home, do locum for a couple of years including maternity leave, become a pharmaceutical company rep and get married.
This is not what I expected it to be, and I am very, very, glad to have been wrong about this. Thanks for being an actual equalist and not a radical mouth piece.
"Check your facts, not your privilege" should be a motto.
We couldn't have a Men's Volleyball team at my highschool because of some nebulous notion of keeping the number of sports the same between the sexes. Football for the boys was balanced out by volleyball for the girls. It was pretty lame. We got together with the other schools in the county and made our own unofficial league.
Awesome video. You stayed so calm explaining the situation. I would have just banged my head against a wall, that's how ridiculous the exploitation and twisting of laws/legislations is. Society will continue to play deaf as long as it only affects men.
Its a pity you only do these once a week. Good video as always :)
I ran track. I wasn't good enough for a scholarship Title IX or not, but I knew a lot of males who were. They usually either compromised on where they went to school or they didn't run track in college.
Great video as always Christina :)
Any chance you'd be willing to give a talk with the Canadian Association for Equality?
Have woman in colleges go on record saying they have no interest in competitive sports, by survey or other means.
Or spread the word saying how unfair and unbalanced this law has become. Not many students know or cared about what title IX was least not where I'm from. It wasn't till I explained it to my class and teacher that they became upset because they all have had friends who was cut from teams and always assumed it was due to lack of skill. Besides a few athletes most people didn't and still don't know about this issue.
Thank you! This is what I was trying to say whenever someone brings up unequal proportions for men and women in areas such as sports. Just because there are more men in an area does not mean women are being discriminated against, it usually means women are disinterested in that activity. People argue that men and women are equal but they forget that they are also different and think different. There is no arguing against the scientific fact that men and women are different.
i am fucking loving this woman, she actually checks her facts and she understands that we do live in the 21th cenutry and neither sex is better than the other
Did you know that the L.A. County Sheriff's Dept is required to have a certain percentage of women in all units and promotions. What this has meant is physical requirements were dropped in certain specialized units to accommodate women. Women have been promoted who have never arrested anyone or driven a radio car by themselves. Women have promoted to supervisory positions without knowing procedures of arrest or what constitutes legal arrests. I worked as a filing detective and could file one case that had been approved by a female Sgt. This Sgt actually interview for a position as a Graphic Artist where my wife worked. A few years later, she was a Sgt on the Dept.
I went to the University of Florida, a school with a rich men's and women's sports history. However when I was there I was personally curious about possibly becoming a part of their soccer program. I found out that there is only a women's soccer team there. When I asked why they told me Title IX made it impossible for them to have a men's soccer team.
This is such a great video and I always enjoy your videos! Thank you for making these and educating the radicals, extremists, and just the general public! Perhaps if we just stop allowing these radicals to control every aspect of females and males lives, then there would be more fairness. It's very clear that not as many females play sports or have the desire to, how is that mens faults? Why should we be punished because of it? I think if we find a way to have things put into context for these radical groups, then /maybe/ they would realize the problems they're causing. Heck, it's very clear with the canceling wrestling and making bowling. They created the opportunities for women to play...and women didn't flock the bowling alleys to go play.
Thanks again for these wonderful videos!
It's a shame to cut the hopes, dreams and aspirations of kids who work hard, make good grades, to someday walk on the mat to represent their favorite college team. :(
I would love links to the studies you cite so I could cite them in papers or discussions. :D
Thank you for a good video. Why aren't there any women comments on your video. Looks to me as long Title IX favors women, they don't mind that at all.
I'm a government employee and have to do title IX training twice a year, every year. It goes far beyond sports and athletics. Far far beyond.
I have been discussing this very issue with people for years but very few want to hear about it. At the university level, football takes up 85 of the TOTAL scholarships for all men's sports. Since women don't play football, those numbers are subtracted from other men's sports to make them equal overall. I'm all for giving women the opportunity to play sports, but the fact remains that revenues from football usually FUND ENTIRE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS! The only other sport that generates revenue on a consistent basis is MEN'S basketball. ALL women's sports lose money!
It is not a LAW that allows universities to offer women's sports, it is the MONEY generated by the enormous popularity of football and men's basketball!
Despite this obvious fact, other men's sports suffer in the name of creating equality. If a young man does NOT play football, he has about a 40% less chance of attending college on an athletic scholarship than a woman.
There are just two NCAA sports that offer scholarships ONLY for men: football and wrestling, and this video explains well how the latter is being decimated. On the other hand, there are SIX NCAA sports offered exclusively to women: Bowling, Equestrian, Field Hockey, Rowing, Rugby, Sand Volleyball. Men do not have access to these sports under NCAA guidelines despite the fact that they're all quite popular with men. (NCAA Rugby for women but not for men? WTF?!)
(I did not include baseball since it is balanced by its women's equivalent, softball. Nor did I include Rifle which is actually a co-ed sport and scholarships can be distributed to both men and women on the same team.)
In "non-revenue" sports that are offered to both men and women, men's teams invariably have fewer scholarships available. Here are just a few examples:
Basketball: Women-15, Men-13 (Again, revenue is ignored.)
Track & Field/Cross-Country: Women-18, Men-12.6
Gymnastics: Women-12, Men-6.3
Soccer: Women-14, Men-9.9
Swimming & Diving: Women-14, Men 9.9
Tennis: Women-8, Men-4.5
Volleyball: Women-12, Men-4.5
Water Polo: Women-8, Men-4.5
Several men's sports aren't even given enough scholarships to furnish a single starting lineup on the field of play! This is pure insanity, IMO.
It's important to note that these scholarship limits are set by the NCAA, not Title IX, but I have no doubt that the NCAA has done this precisely so they don't get sued by these women's groups that are not the least bit concerned with actual fairness.
Again, I have no problem with the scholarship numbers for women's sports and I think it's great that they're being given these opportunities. But why should other men's sports be effectively punished because of this? Why shouldn't men have the same scholarship opportunities in a given sport that the women do? Oh yeah, because men get all those scholarships for football.
Since, in most cases, revenues from football is the ONLY thing that makes women's sports fiscally possible, football's scholarship numbers should be exempt from this equation. When women's sports start bringing in millions in TV revenue every year, we can renegotiate then. Until then, this is nothing but a purely discriminatory practice - AGAINST MEN! I didn't think that was what Title IX was supposed to be about.
I was not aware of the affect of Title IX on sports, but I did feel the stress of equal proportionality requirements when I was applying to college at the United States Coast Guard Academy though.
Because of this law, the USCGA needed to meet strict quotas for men and women of all ethnicities. It wasn't about being the most qualified applicant, it was about being the most qualified applicant of white men.
Since only roughly 71% of students could be white, and since only 70% of the students are male; I wasn't trying to get one out of 240 spaces, I was trying to get one out of less than 119 spaces. (These statistics come directly from the USCGA student admission statistics.)
I understand why this law was put in place, but I believe that it is time for this law to be revised for modern society.
"Check your facts, not your privilege."
WHY IS THIS WOMAN SO BASED.
How would you respond to the argument that the facilitation given by quotas will eventually increase the likelihood of women participating in sports because they are presumably discouraged today given the male predominance. Thanks.
Title IX law is sound, including the OCR's 3-prong interpretation, with one key problem: the relevant applicant pool is not the undergraduate enrollment--it is the NCAA clearinghouse of potential student athletes (PSAs), which are high school graduating seniors and some community college students. Although some teams accept walk-ons from the current student body, teams recruit PSAs. The clearinghouse keeps a separate category for football, and ratio in the non-football clearinghouse is majority male. This means the residual demand for male sports participation (taking out football) is greater than the total demand for all female sports.
'Check your facts, not your priviledge'. Love it!
People should really get that equality of opportunity is not the same as equality of outcome. The way I'd interpret Title IX is that if an University accomodates X students of gender A, they must be ready to accomodate X students of gender B as well, should enough turn up.
Ofc, this doesn't only go for sports but for other activities as well.
Real equality cannot be achieved by putting your thumb on the scales.
Thank you so much for this video!!! As a fan of gymnastics, this is a reality I am very aware of. (And according to Greg Marsden, the Utah coach who put NCAA women's gymnastics on the map, Title IX hasn't helped women's college gymnastics much, either.)
There are over 4x the number of women's college programs compared to men's. And people wonder why our men lag so much behind our women internationally.
I would prefer to subscribe to only the factual feminist series, if only I could figure out how. Maybe it's because I'm on mobile but all I can do is subscribe to the channel as a whole.
I liked her on FB so I could get the videos in my feed there instead of subbing on youtube.
Good idea!
This woman is precisely what happens when real feminism meets genuine use of intellect. With the exception of "I deserve it" blacks, "entitled" women are the biggest group who abuse their "privilege" in this nation and it is good to see women standing up and admitting it.
Also.. "Women's Sports Foundation"... founded by Billie Jean King.. a group founded by a woman whose infamous "Battle of the Sexes" tennis match with Bobby Riggs was nothing but but spectacular... but it is often forgotten that he had also beaten another player who was on her same level four months earlier and the argument she got lucky can be made.. seeing as Rigs was well past his prime when he beat a woman half his age.
The sports programs should work on interest basis not the current system. Depending on the level of interest students or parents have in a sport/team. If enjoy people want a team then the school should start a team. Like if women at a school want to play softball, but there is only 4 of them, the school shouldn't have to have a softball team. At least nine people need to sign up to start a team.
Or on the interest basis teams and opportunists should be based on the % interests. If only 20% girls are interested in playing sports at a school and 60 % boys are interested in playing sports the funds should be split accordingly.
Title IX as it is now is bullshit except the equal requirements for scholarships.
Howard Cosell summed up my feelings about organized sports in his book, "I Never Played the Game."
" I am writing this book because I am convinced that sports are out of whack in the American society; that the emphasis placed upon sports distorts the real values of life and often produces mass behavior patterns that are downright frightening; and that the frequently touted uplifting benefits of sports have become a murky blur in the morass of hypocrisy and contradiction that I call the Sports Syndrome.”
The key is to give ALL PEOPLE the opportunity to play sports. Now, if more men want to participate than women, then so be it. It's individual choices. Why should a man wanting to play a sport, not be allowed due to a quota? Why open more positions for women and close down men's for a quota that will never be met? Equality of opportunity and not equality of outcome is the key here.
ALL HAIL THIS WOMAN! You deserve all my thumbs up!
Your videos are always great, Christina. I wish there were still more "equity feminists" like yourself, and less "tumblr/misandric feminists" that are so abundant these days.
This may be a lot to ask but couldn't The Factual Feminist have her own channel? I don't know about anyone else but I'm be more committed to subscribing to a specific channel for her videos rather than the American Enterprise Institute as a whole.
Current Title IX falls under the paradigm of equal rights means equal outcome. In a free society, it's extremely rare for any groups to have perfect representation. That's more hypocritical is that nothing is said about under representation of men in certain groups. At my university, there is no men's swim team because of Title IX, so male swimmers had to create their own privately funded team.
Feminists aren't interested in equality, just special privileges and what's in the best interests of women. If that means that men are left out in the cold, or thrown under the bus, all the better for them.
As far as a good solution? Let people be free to CHOOSE what they want to do and let the chips fall where they may. That means in some areas women will be the majority, and in others men will be. Everyone should have equal opportunity and no one should run into unnecessary obstacles. Treat everyone with equal consideration and respect.
Allow for equal opportunity. The tough part is in how to deal with sexual dimorphism because, as a group, men are simply stronger and bigger than women. That's why there are men's and women's teams, so that women have the opportunity to play the sports they love. It gets complicated, though, when you get the occasional women who is good enough to be competitive on a men's team. What do you do then? Is it equitable that women can play on a men's team but men can't play on a women's team? I'm not sure there's a simple answer to that.
I absolutely hate short lists, instead of identifying and tackling systems to boost interest in under represented fields, all they do is use this dirty tactic to exclude legally. In the UK in the 90's, Labour did this with their party members which lead to a man suing them and won for discrimination. When they came into power they passed a law protecting them from type of sexism. This law is still in force today. It pisses me off even more that it makes our voting system corrupt, like we don't even have a democracy because the candidates are chosen for us.
If women weren't allowed in universities how did Marie currie exist?
Trent Hacker Yeah it's a bit weird, there were female judges too well before feminists came along and those women actually hated the idea of feminism probably because they could see it for what it is. Take a look at this women's colleges have been around in the USA since at least 1780
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women%27s_colleges_in_the_United_States
Wasn't the first ever university also started by a woman...if I can recall that correctly.
Also a lot of the 2nd wave feminist had degrees...something is not adding up here or certain details are being overlooked IMO.
Trent Hacker
Feminists do often like to revise history to suit their needs but I doubt Christina would do much of that. Take a look at the jobs women did during the project Manhattan, some did calculations for various things, granted they didn't know what the calculations were for but if society thought that women couldn't do math (something I hear feminists complain about) they wouldn't have left the task to women.
What makes you think that she actually did?
*facepalm*
and what's worse,they (the ADs) are now going after the men's running programs (XC and Track)
How to remove gender discrimination from school sports: Remove gender segregation.
Discussions about Title IX sometimes makes my head want to explode. I support and promote women's wrestling and there doesn't seem to be great consensus on what to do to Title IX. I don't like people knocking something without having some thought of an alternate. Many agree it's broken but getting it fixed seems to be problematic. At least in the circles I talk with.
This is the most ridicules, and scary at the same time, thing I ever heard in my life.
Trying to force people to do things they're not interested in is at best marginally better than keeping people from doing things that they want to do
It was always a bad law made from good intentions.
simplify the teams that are funded is based on how many students are interested in participating in that team, the programs with the most interest are the ones that you have regardless of there gender.
Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome, it's as simple as that.
One way to fix it is to get rid of it in its current form. You won't be able to legislate this away because of the power of advocacy groups. You get rid of it in its current form by taking it literal and making sports sex neutral.
"No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance." There are two ways to interpret this with regards to sport.
1-Currently it is interpreted as follows: If you provide men with a sport you must also provide women with separate sport.
2-This is how they should start interpreting the law: If you provide a sport of any kind all men and women should be able to try out for that same team. In other words you have one and only one of everything: basketball, baseball, football, soccer, wrestling, gymnastics, swimming, volleyball...
In scenario 2 everyone tries out for the same team. Women of course will be affected more negatively as most will not be able to compete with men and thus these sports will be made up of mostly men. Now each coach should have one woman on the roster regardless of whether or not she will play to prove that women were able to try out for the team. When colleges and school are asked why they can point to everything you just said in this video.
The above would affect change in the law. It would probably be a negative effect but it would bring the issue to the mainstream. Women's college sports always lose money. A good portion of men's sports lose money. However, it is men's sports that pay for all of women's sports and the other men's sports. Women's athletic groups like the one's in this video should stop biting the hand that feeds them because in the long run it is only going to hurt women even if it takes years.
Well made. I approve of this. I think it can be fixed by getting rid of proportionality all together, but keeping the anti discrimination laws in place.
In my school there are three more sports for girls than boys, and all but two sports aren't co-ed because there is a girls' team, after watching this i'm starting to think Title 9 needs to be checked
_"if there aren't enough women [...] then the only explanation is discrimination"_
I've been trying to tell people this about the wage gap myth since I first was exposed to it's cancer. It's the common theme of feminism in the 21st century... Though technically they're right, drama over disparity *_is_* indicative of discrimination - and modern feminists are the ones doing it.
I think a bigger issue is that most schools fund their scholastic side from the sports. They shouldn't get any money from the sports. College sports games tickets should not cost money. A strong sports department has no place in a college which is a place of learning not a place of bashing one's brains out. The sports should be no more than a club these schools shouldn't be giving people scholarships to people who can throw a dead pig the best. They should instead take that money and give scholarships to the more B average students so there are other way to get into college besides having a 3.5+ GPA, rich family, or being in student debt for the rest of your life.
_"They should instead take that money and give scholarships to the more B average students."_
What money? The money they make from selling tickets that you don't want them to sell?
Also, why on Earth would a college give _a scholarship_ to someone as unremarkable as a B-average student (that doesn't excel in some other desirable field)?
Remarkable football players have value. Unremarkable B-average students don't. That's reality.
Thank you. Very informative.
I cannot believe people actually say that women are just as interested in sports as men are in college. Utter bullcrap... I've been personally affected by Title IX. I ran cross country and track in college. We were at risk of getting the indoor track men's team cut because of Title IX. During my time at college, the men's lacrosse team DID get cut because of Title IX. Jeeze people, men play more sports than women. Isn't that obvious? I'd like to see the study of online sports tracking sites and the ratio of men vs. women.
EDIT: Love these videos however. Coming from a man, these videos would be ignored. It's nice to see a feminist (equalist) who isn't a "feminist" in today's connotation of the word.
Thank you for making this video
The difference between equal opportunity and equal outcome...
It's funny Howard University where Thomas Sowell scholar, all around cool guy and affirmative action opponent got hit so hard by government violence through affirmative action. I understand that some Americans border on Anarcho capitalism when talking about limiting government intervention, but things like this pushed by radical lobbyists harm the nation as a whole. I'm glad Ms.Sommers carries the fight for truth and equality, as I myself would quite quickly be labeled a white misogynist fascist (and I assume quite a few others) for opposing these kind of society dismantling initiatives.
TheSquidPro Can you edit this comment into a coherent thought. I think I want to agree with you, but the jumbled mishmash, that is the first half of your comment, is keeping me from doing so.
Berelore
Nobody is obligating you to agree with my brainfarts that I wrote up on one groggy coffee-less morn.
With the public phobia of the accusation of bigotry, is it even possible to right the wrongs done along the way?
Improvman ψ I see this phobia lasting for maybe another 20-30 years. If we can weather this storm for that long, I am pretty sure the terms 'racist, sexist, misogynist, bigot, etc will be godwinized. People are gonna realize sooner or later that these kinds of things are utter crap and will laugh at anyone who tries to use them.
I think it's a matter of finding a way to create a fair system and sell it. If offering Yoga and Pilates leaves room for wrestling and diving, then why should the athletic activity have to be competitive?
The fact most women don't want to play sport is and should be completely irrelevant for policy makers. It's good for a society as a whole if more women play sport, and that's what we need to bring about, whether women think they want to do it or not. Female wrestling I would watch.
It would seem that the basic idea is that... There are groups with a political agenda trying to force their own personal baggage onto a demographic that isn't even interested in the aspect of sports... I could understand if the baseline in a perfect world is to have equal access to all collegiate persuits open to everyone... However, consider that all institutions run on money, and have the means to offer/ sustain only as many programs as they can pay for. With this in mind in what way does it make sense for the male / female ratio to be different right off the bat? Is it possible that "professional" level sports careers have an impact on this?
Another curiosity is how are the so called "extremist" feminists able to level lawsuits against college institutions and afford the legal costs to persue their "agenda" would them lacking financial backing reduce their ability to effect legal outcomes? Are some of these groups used to potentially used to generate money for a personal gain to someone? If so... Would that explain why they have to beat a dead horse to continue generating that level of income? Basically can anyone truly trust one who claims their intentions are of a noble persuit? Idk know the answers or pretend to but if a business opens up and makes money that supports a lifestyle would they not do whatever it takes to stay relevant in order to not go away? So the cycle goes on...
Since men and women are equal in every respect, why aren't women's sports advocates working to end the segregation of men and women's sports teams?
I thought we determined decades ago that you can't have "separate but equal" arrangements. Therefore, male and female athletes will _never_ be equal until male and female teams are fully integrated. It's far past time to end sports segregation!
Now that would be a game I would watch.
Male sports in decline, yet male obesity on the increase? Could this be related?
For fairness, have all people play sports. Then there is no breach of title 9. If nothing else, it will help people stay fit. Or broken.
You nailed it FF
Feminist science and feminist sports. Is there anything left for men?
You know that there are male feminists, don't you?
nztvar I said 'men'.
Rape accusations. Also plenty of seats for labor so women aren't forced to -share equal burden- be oppressed.
Gavin Grant
Oi, I self identify as gender fluid, and I would probably say I am non-gendered about 80% of the time. I would also say even with all that, I am a lot more of a man than a male feminist. A straight up trans woman who is already in the process or has completed the transition is more of a man than the typical male feminist. A drag queen is more of a man than a male feminist. And this is the case even if the people in the categories I just listed are feminists themselves. That's my stance on the topic.
Maybe all student athletes should be accepted as part of a work study program, but only teams capable of getting basic competitive approval or something should require the whole school team machinery. Maybe get a discount on health insurance for the program, and win a judicial act to force reform of the act from there.
Equality of opportunity. Not equality of outcome.
I was going to absurdum it with "The kid next to me gets higher grades; I must be getting discriminated against!"
...and then I remembered Poe's Law....>.
Masterfully done!
I see two possible solutions. The one that would be easiest to implement would be to remove ALL extra curricular activities from school. There is no need to worry at all about proportionality or gender quotas or even safety regulation for University sports if there are not any University sports at all. The hard line conservative position of school is for book learning and ONLY book learning would solve the issue.
The second possible solution would be to expand the enforcement of Title IX to require proportionality between general enrollment in the school and the demographics of the nation.
Equality and sameness have become one thing. I see no way to fix this. Proportionallity is a concept that's here to stay. We can say F**K it and just throw out anything that proportionallity get applied to or we can try to make proportionallity work in favor of gender equality.
Wow you are really factual.
I don't like to hear of more common sense beingviolated. To me the solution for many of these problems is simple and obvious; in any case involving equality of opportunity, action should be taken based solely on evidence of discrimination. This women's sports advocate group should investigate, interview staff and actul women about their experiences and prove exactly how discrimination is happening. And there must be a separate organization for appeals. They simply must have somewhere to state their case, if they have been cutting support from men to make efforts at recruiting women they should be able to say so, and get their rating changed.
The problem feminists fought before is long solved nowadays, on the majority of 1st world countries. They can vote, have the same rights, access to studies, so on so forth.
Most women at school, at least the one I was, couldn't care less about sports like football, rugby, etc. Some of us liked volleyball and mostly gymnastics. It wasn't discrimination, they just didn't like to play those sports. So, just because there were no female football teams, it wasn't because of oppression, it was because you could count with your fingers, how many girls wanted to play football.
That said, feminists nowadays fight for having more rights than men, no longer for equality. Maybe they should think about moving their ideals to the middle east.
Perhaps a similar foundation for sport equality can be made to counteract the harmful ones?
You mean a foundation for sports equality that will have to try to get mens side some attention?
It'll be branded as a hate group that hates women and promotes rape... you know this. There's already a few examples :p
I know, but at this point what else can we do? I don't know where the source of this problem is to attack it there, so all I can think of is to go the Ghandi route and enact civil disobedience in response to this injustice. :(
If only Mrs. Sommers could be in charge of Tumblr.
People saying that they should have both men and women play in the same team don't understand that some sports favour more to male physicality so it would be unfair.
Like soccer. Alex Morgan is not going to go up against Ronaldo or Messi in a million years. Ronaldo would cut through a whole all stars women's team physically and skillfully like a hot knife through butter. Male athletes will outrun, outmaneuver, overpower, and outthink female athletes in most sports. There could be women out there who have great genetics to compete against male athletes but such cases are unheard of and rare.
Basically, we want to see the best female and male athletes. And it's not fair to put them against each other
We should get rid of segregated sports. If a woman is good enough to play on the men's team she should be allowed. If she isn't (and most aren't) they shouldn't get their own special sports team to make up for sucking at sports.
O I would love no segregation just like the gaming world,only that Anita Sarkeezian is trying to destroy it while making a profit.
jojo88430 this is pure specification. its not really that productive to play what ifs and act as the WILL happen, when you dont know that.
Take that the other way then too. Men should be able to play women's sports and utterly dominate all of them.
So women would just lose all the time then?
Cha0x110
Not all the times and all sports, most of the times and most of the sports.
Title IX goes further than sports... Equal opportunity is great; its current uses and assumed presumption of patriarchy theory destroys any use it actually banefi the public education system.
You, my dear lady, are awesome!
Uh-oh!...common sense and facts? The feminists aren't gonna liiiiike this. :)
I'm a libertarian Conservative...I can say that you've been the most honest person I've seen regarding these issues.
"libertarian Conservative"
_I would recommend a second generation antipsychotic_ *gives self thumb up*
Keeping it classy
The factual feminist is amazing.
The misuse of government power is INEVITABLE. The only cure is to prevent the government from acquiring power in the first place, even if it seems to be only for a "good cause" upon first consideration. Taxpayers should not be subsidizing ANY sports team.
Define Title 9?
I don't know.
You gotta go?
You gotta go.
Fortunately women wrestling is on the rise, and in turn, mens wrestling is being restored to many small colleges.
In my opinion, just give students the right of self intiative. So thay can found sport groups on universities and collage campuses.
God
H-her eyes are so great.