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The MCU just keeps getting WORSE... | Video Essay
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2024
- In this MCU Video Essay, we take a look at the latest MCU Series on Disney Plus, Echo. Marvel has kicked off 2024 with yet another disappointment on the streaming service, and with 2023 being a disaster for the MCU with, Ant-Man Quantamania, Secret Invasion, and The Marvels, this is the last thing the Marvel Cinematic Universe needed. We get to the bottom of why Echo is so bad, and what it could mean for Deadpool 3.
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Echo (2024)
The Marvels (2023)
Avengers Endgame (2019)
Secret Invasion (2023)
Deadpool 3 (2024)
Ant-Man Quantamania (2023)
Loki (2023)
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 (2023)
0:00 - Intro
1:58 - Part 1 (Echo)
12:25 - Part 2 (What Next?)
16:54 - Outro
The thing that always shocks me the most isn’t that the mcu fell off, but how fast it fell off
Agreed. After Endgame I knew it was over. Sure I expected to be a couple of movies after just to finish off some story arcs like what they did with the Guardians. But they keep trying to milk the MCU for more cash. Just allow it to die with what dignity it has left.
I mean that was to be expected. It was entertaining, but still very shallow. They never were going to become some historical classic or anything.
It's only cause they seem to INTENTIONALLY write garbage on purpose
It fell off a loong time ago
@@Stealth86651better than dceu.
The mcu is the toxic relationship where you should break it off, but you keep holding on for the good times again
More like unconditional love for your child. You hate him or her for the brat he or she is but have to love him/her just to look out for his/her well-being.
@@wickdaline8668they/them, not he/she 😂😂😂
For you, maybe. Clearly most of the audience has already broken it off.
It's hard to believe people genuinely think things are gonna get better somehow. Like they seriously believe that
@@remuslazar2033 Stop.
Literally the only reason they gave Agatha a show is because they saw a bunch of people on Twitter going OMG SLAYYYY in response to her character. That's it. And that's also the kind of thing that seems to guide many of the MCU writers and producers' decisions.
Film / TV writers: stop making decisions based on social media and just WRITE GOOD STORIES
FACTS
Those idiot producers are the reason we won't be getting an X-Men MCU movie till year 2030😂
How do you think comic characters get solo series? 😂
@@magicsexcatA comic book doesn't cost $250 million dollars to make so there's much less risk **laugh/cry emoji**
They literally gave that trash character a show all because of "iT iS bEeN aGaThA aLl aLoNg"😂
This is so accurate
Kevin thinking of a future series: Oh, you know that janitor in the background of she-hulk he should get a new show.
FACTS
Just like he did to Echo in the Hawkeye series. NOBODY ASKED FOR ECHO WTF😂
Marvels first series where the lead character is a janitor. the janitor community representation will be so good.
@@I-speak-U-shut-itspeak for yourself-
But only if he's either a she, not white, or disabled - or any combination of those.
@@bellissimo4520exactly what i was about to say, they’d never make a main character a male unless he’s so iconic he’d make hundreds of millions
Remember actually wanting to go see a MCU movie?
it’s been so long since then…
Mass surveillance says MMIW burned those Canadian churches --- AND THEY LOVED ECHO --- #Durangocide -----@@juancabardo21
Deadpool 3 is that movie tho
@@timfagerlund8535maybe. Never underestimate Disney’s ability to fuck something up though
@@timfagerlund8535dosent it have filming problem?
It’s absolutely insane to me how we go from Civil War (a street level grounded story about internal conflict with characters we love) into Infinity War (affected by consequences of Civil War, top 3 comic book films ever made) into where we are now. It’s so so sad.
Could've said better myself 😊
how is street level and inernational used to describe the same thing?
Civil War was a contrived stupid mess of a film. It's kind of funny how MCU shills are pretending that it was ever anything other than passable
Echo’s comic powers are she can copy anything she sees identically. She was the Yin to daredevils Yang. He used his hearing to be an excellent fighter. She used her sight to be an excellent fighter. But the executives thought Echos powers were lame. So they gave her glowy generational powers instead that only went to female ancestors. I think a mimic power is pretty awesome tbh.
They don't think so. Look what happened to taskmaster.
@@Devilsblood it’s too bad. The first time I saw a mimic power was in the show Heroes. The character was in the first season only. She could see a gymnastics performance and do it identically. Or she could see a chef cut a tomato into a rose and do it without thinking. Her body instantly gained the flexibility and muscle memory just by seeing it. I thought it was a really cool ability.
Bro the writer or director(don’t exactly know which one) said that they changed it bc those powers were “bOrInG”. We’ve never seen that in the MCU so how is that boring?!?
After being burned with Dr Strange 2, Thor 4, Black Panther, and Antman 3…. I just can’t do it anymore. I’ll still watch Spiderman but that’s it.
Wait till you find something to complain about Spiderman, then you will be singing a different song
@@kbraven7007I mean, I heard rumors that Kiernan Shipka might play Gwen Stacy. If that's true, then I think Spider-Man is still worth watching.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Especially if she’s Ghost Spider in the MCU and we’re also going to get Miles, then we will have the main Spider trio in live action and hopefully they add Harry. Would totally check it out if that is the case
@@kbraven7007 I think it's better if she's just the love interest though since we already have Spider-Gwen in Spider-Verse. It would also be a clever twist for Peter to marry her instead of MJ. She also doesn't need to die this time. In the comics, her death served as a character development for Spidey and was his official entry into adulthood. But in the MCU, that was essentially accomplished with Aunt May's death so Gwen's death would be redundant.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I guess, but I just want to see Peter/spiderman, Miles/spiderman and Gwen/Ghost Spider fighting some villain using their powers together in the MCU or at least in live action
Originally Echo was supposed to have 8 episodes but it was reduce to 5 episodes.
Which is even more concerning. How you can shrink a script down that much yet have it still feel so empty is mind blowing.
Cult data says a small, violent group known for burning churches in Canada and dumping bodies around oil pipelines LOVED #ECHO #DisneyPlus are out for @Nerdrotics Here's the case law Colorado v. Bradley Todd Clark - best of luck Gary. #Durangocide
czcams.com/video/9u4bGI4s2qs/video.html@@movieoverload
If Echo was supposed to be Disney's attempt at replicating the success and praise of the Marvel Netflix shows, then the original plan being just 8 episodes show Echo was doomed from the start.
Should have been reduced to zero
@@ragingshibe It only gets worse with recent Daredevil Born Again. No longer 18 episodes it will either 10 or 6 episodes.
I feel so bad for those people in the comments of a new Marvel trailer on CZcams that are genuinely trying to be excited and holding out hope that it might be good
i remember people were overrating secret invasion on the trailer
I'm sure a handful of them are bots. Just look at the like/dislike ratio on a Disney trailer on their CZcams channel vs any other trailer channel.
@@Badmunky64You're clearly delusional
I feel like most of them are paid shills. There seriously can’t be anyone who genuinely still thinks the MCU is good?
@@MZ99698gotg 3 and Loki were good. The mcu still has the ability to be good
I remember even at the height of my love for Marvel when I heard about the Agatha and Echo spinoffs my first reaction was "why?"
Mines was when Ryan Coogler chose to not recast Chadwick Boseman.
Im like BRUH R U SERIOUS 🤣
ALOT OF DEAD ACTORS GOT RECAST OR GOT BODY DOUBLES TO FILL UP THEIR SCENES ALL THE HELL THE TIME! It happened to Heath Ledger in The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus and Paul Walker in Fast 7
My dad and I thought John David Washington would be a good fit to continue on Chadwick's character. Instead we got this dumb director killing off T'Challa in his sequel 🤦🏾♂️
I heard that they gave one of T'Challa's women soldiers her own series to bruh 😒🤦🏾♂️
@@I-speak-U-shut-itOkoye
@@I-speak-U-shut-itand? Instead he turned the sequel into a human story about mourning and vengeance.. Shuri doesn’t act like a kid as she did in the first film, she matures through trauma. I’m sure once they reboot the MCU through Secret Wars, we’ll get T’Challa back.
Because those are female characters. That's the reason.
There is no "back on track" for Marvel. It's clear that Marvel/Disney goal is to absolutely dismantle and destroy their characters and the "creatives" behind this aren't going anywhere.
Gosh everyone so negative but remember not everyone feels this way. Yes Disney sucks and if you lost hope that’s understandable but in my opinion there are good things coming, there’s no denying there’s been a TON of wrenches thrown at marvel, including overproduction, over-saturation, the writers/actors strike, changes of leadership, etc. and yes, some of these wrenches they have thrown at themselves no denying that.
Thankfully they ARE listening at least a little bit- slowing down production for a quality over quantity mindset and redoing scripts many times like DD Born Again being redone completely to better suit what fans want and expect from DD. However these are all fairly new changes and even ECHO didn’t benefit from them because it is too early. I’m not saying they didn’t fuck it up so far in regards to making stuff especially on Disney+, but don’t lose all hope yet imo.
@victornieves1794 I think we disagree, and it seems like it’d be best for you to part ways with marvel if it causes you so much anger and negativity, that’s no good for you! 😁
Ok, now let's try to get an answer from someone who's not a complete retard.
@victornieves1794you're completely delusional
@@Jace-uw6ml I don't think them slowing down production is them listening, I think the shows just hemorrhage so much money they HAD to slow down.
Now, there is no need to insult AI. I am sure it would have done a better job at scriptwriting than current Marvel writers.
😂😂
Token employee. Getting job by being born a certain way and having friends in high places. Stealing position from people who actually have a degree and credits.
MCU new slogan is “ at least were not the DCU”
honestly I'd rather watch 2 more Aquaman movies than this type of shit lmao.
And now that James Gunn is over there, MCU is gonna have some real competition. I enjoyed The Suicide Squad, so I’m definitely open to jumping ship to the DCU.
I'd rather watch any DCU film than anything in the M she U !
GO
WOKE
GO
BROKE
Im a Marvel fan Id rather watch DC movies. Screw that M She U woke garbage.
I honestly can’t tell if marvel’s running out of ideas or if Disney’s taking way too much control over them.
My father and uncle literally said, Who asked for this?! When the trailer for Echo got dropped.
I had no idea that show even existed tbh. It’s so forgettable
Watching Disney produce movies for their IPs is like watching a mother smother her baby. It's simply amazing how dead set they are at destroying their franchises.
The Boys handled a deaf superhero far better than the MCU ever could.
Who is deaf in the boys?
@@MrErik052005 Oops you’re right he was blind not deaf lmao.
@@dansgarage4572haha funny. I thought you meant Mute. Ok, I know who you are talking about.
You mean the guy who was blind that Homelander made deaf that the show promptly tosses aside?
@@drstrangelove307 Yes, that’s the correct character arc for a disabled supe
I’ve not watched secret invasion, the marvels or echo. Since she-hulk I’ve been done with mcu shows and the same since guardians 3 for the films. It’s so annoying seeing people say films and shows are aimed at females in their 30s with cats. I’m in that demographic and am that stereotype but hate what the mcu are putting out right now
It took you all the way up to she-hulk to give up on these people? You had too much hope.
@@noobie1890 Same here. I made it into the first 15 minutes or so of episode 6 of She-Hulk... that was probably the moment the MCU died for me. Won't touch anything MCU related anymore (except entertaining reviews of the shit they are putting out).
Marvel _thinks_ they're making shows and movies to appeal to women but it's obviously not working. Both Marvel Comics and DC Comics have been trying to appeal to women (and other groups) too and the results have been disastrous there as well. It's getting a little old honestly.
@@noobie1890I left Marvel in 2008 AND I AM NEVER COMING BACK!!!!!!! I was one of the 1st people to be done with Marvel. Everyone is just following me now maaaaannnnn
@@noobie1890i also stopped being a fan after she hulk. i was gradually losing hope the more and more shit they put out and i really tried to hold on to the franchise i loved, but the she hulk twerking scene was the end for me 💀
I guess we really did need Avengers films in phases 4 and 5 to hold the narrative glue back together, didn't we?
What Avengers? There are no Avengers anymore.
@@Adamatronamus Phases 4 and 5 should have doubled down on the next generation of Avengers is all I can say. That way the MCU wouldn't feel as directionless as most have claimed.
@@Adamatronamus No shit. That's why we needed an Avengers film in these phases to help establish a new team.
@@TheCAMDENRULESTo hell with the next Avengers film. Marvel should've focused on the real team of heroes for phases 4 and 5 THE X-MEN AND THE FANTASTIC 4!!!
@@I-speak-U-shut-it Unfortunately I dont trust Marvel, more broadly Disney, to do either groups justice.
the main thing is she doesnt give off main character vibes which is really improtant if you want ur audience to care about her
She's never been a main character in the comics. That should have been a hint.
@@BiggieTrismegistus ye but if ur gonna make a whole series revolving around someone u better make them give off main character energy
plot armour is bad.
Solo flopping was the worst thing to happen to Disney because now they’re convinced they need to take feature length stories and turn them into shows. I bet all of these shows in both Star Wars and the MCU would be loads better if they trimmed the fat and made them films.
And add some good seasoning and have better writers for them films and drop this whole multiverse bs. I never understood everyone's love for that shit😂
They would be better off if they were better.
Echo started pretty good, better than the rest of the stuff they've been doing lately anyways, but the ending was just stupid. I hate when they just give people powers they don't have and never did, even in the comics, especially when those powers are just... you are related to women... so now you have healing and... energy... powers? What even were those powers? And you can magically give them to other women? Because... women? Also where are they even planning on going from here, like you have Gaia from secret invasion who just has unlimited ridiculous powers and can do anything, now you have Maya who has inexplicable powers that can seemingly heal and destroy people at will? And then the marvels all have energy powers that can seemingly do whatever with... light? Or something? Like...captain America was a little bit stronger. That was his powers. Hulk gets angry and gets strong. Thor had thunder powers, but now he can just give them to anyone at will worthy or not? And the little girl from guardians is supposed to be crazy strong as well, and Adam warlock too, and now sentry is coming... it's like no one has a specific power anymore, it's just everyone can do whatever their powers need them to be when they need them to be it, and its just too much too fast.
That’s a good point
MCU's "Echo" is the character in name only. They'd wholly changed her powers (from the comics), her Indian tribe (from Cheyenne Nation to Choctaw Nation), and made her an amputee (which she never was in the comics)!
For becoming more inclusive.... What a sick reason, no??
When he post a negative MCU video: 70k in 3 days
When he post a positive MCU video: 17k in a month
I’m starting to think the MCU isn’t as bad as it seems, it has such a negative reputation because people wanna see and spread negativity
Yeah, he knows that be toxic make money because more veiwers, so he does
No, it's absolutely as bad as it seems. The negative getting more attention than the positive isn't just an MCU thing. It's an "everything" thing. That's why people spent two decades saying crime was going up when it was steadily declining.
well then just watch it and experience it by yourself
no. its pretty bad rn
The only company in the world that can make the Deadpool movie FLOP is Dismal DISNEY.
Where does Echo go wrong? Bad acting, Bad Writing, Bad casting, Bad Special effects, etc…..
I feel like the spotlight thing could work if it was more of an anthology series with each character not given too many episodes
I feel that Disney should give Daredevil, The Punisher, Luke Cage and the gang back to Netflix. They are the true Marvel Spotlight. Disney handled theirs like a pg13 movie with Echo😂while Netflix handled theirs like a true R rated movie🍿😌
That's what the Marvel Spotlight comic was. You'd get a character that normally didn't have a book of their own starring for 2 or 3 issues and fan response would determine where things went from there.
thats never happening lol@@I-speak-U-shut-it
Disney is doing the same trick they did with Star Wars, baiting fans in with fan favorite characters just to trick you into watching slop
I’m so glad that I cut Disney + out of my budget in October. I was going to wait until Loki season 2 was over but after episode 4 I had enough. I loved season 1, but I couldn’t stomach season 2.
If Kevin Feige had stepped down after endgame, he'd have cemented his unassailable legacy as the greatest producer in the history of Hollywood.
Great video and take. RIP MCU. They had a great run. Putting all that pressure on Deadpool 3 is a huge undertaking to right the ship. Time to reboot under new management? With this kind of quality, I have no faith in what they will do to Fantastic 4, X-men, Doom, etc.
It’s going to fail. Staking the future of your brand on one film is just sad.
DISNEY'S WORST DECISIONS EVER.
@@sladewilson377Ok, now let's try to get an answer from someone who's not a complete retard.
@@sladewilson377big facts
Im actually starting to get nervous about how DeadPool 3 is gonna go. Considering it’s the only MCU movie coming out this year, it IS gonna be a make it or break it for the MCU’s future. If Disney does cause it to fail like many people are worried about, it WILL kill what’s left of the MCU and they WILL lose the remainder of their dedicated fanbase. Then every MCU film after that will have numbers like The Marvels’ or worse because fans will just stop going, and then that’s how it will be until they go into bankruptcy. I myself have decided that Deadpool 3 is the last chance I’m giving the MCU and if it’s bad I will no longer go out and see any of their future projects probably ever. I’m 22 years old now and am just getting ready to start my career which means I won’t even have TIME to worry about the MCU anymore…God I miss 2016-2019 Marvel. Great times 😢
What's wrong with 2008 Marvel?
Incredible Hulk and Ironman 1 was fire baby😊
Let Netflix have Daredevil and Punisher back. I’m not ever resubbing to D-
FACTS
Netflix gave us The Punisher after the success of Daredevil season 1. Had Disney had left season 4 the hell alone. Netflix could've pushed for the supernatural series from Marvel. A Ghost Rider series. Netflix was doing what Disney/Kevin Feige sucks at: making great written Marvel shows for the mature audiences!!! And if Netflix wants to push for a scifi action series. The Silver Surfer series Ridley Scott style🔥🤯🔥
you guys dont understand how iP rights work. Netflix cant just up & decide theyre gunna make Marvel content.
That contracts over.
Also, Marvel Studios will never give up a character again after their traumatic experience since 90s & presently with Spider Man & Hulk. @@I-speak-U-shut-it
they aint missing ya dollars. & they'll never go back.
@@vsznryfor now 😈
Considering how this came out at the start of the year, (and assuming the MCU is actually doing a course correction) I'm not surprised this show was bad. There was no way they could make any meaningful changes this close to release date.
besides cutting the budget and changing the 10 episode format to 5
@@joseroa5243 Interesting. Any idea when that was reported? Sounds like they knew it was a turd and all they could do was cut their losses.
@@Badmunky64 allegadly, i read an article that said it had been put in the cutting board but i couldn't say for certanty as of why, well. I couldn't say either, could be as simple as the format (deaf) was too expensive and taxing so they decided to cut it down, or they couldn't pay for more by some budget cost.
I was hoping this show was good oh well
@@lazywinmystical8378The show was good.
This is how I felt. That it wasn’t terrible the way people were exaggerating about how awful it was but it was a DISASTER because the MCU needed a big win and needed to make an excellent show to get fans back and this was just so far from that. It was just okay. Which makes it a disaster in my book because the MCU can’t afford luke-warm reception right now. It was okay in the way Multiverse of Madness was just okay. And that’s the last movie where I decided to stop going to the theatre anymore. And now I’m feeling the same way about wasting my time even at home. Now I just click out of morbid curiousity. And then I cut it off a few seconds later. I actually gave this show a fair chance though and I’m learning from that lesson now. The “if you’ve seen the trailers, you’ve seen the best of this show” is 100% accurate.
I find it funny how the only good MCU project as of late was Guardians 3 and it was directed by the owner of their competitor competition 😂
The reason why Captain Marvel crossed a billion dollars was not bcoz of the film it was, but bcoz it was conviniently sandwiched between the two greatest films of MCU.
2023 brought the MCU to one bad movie away from potential bankruptcy in 2024. Let's hope, at least Deadpool 3 isn't trash.
It's probably is like the first two.
I’m genuinely worried about Deapool 3, what littlw we’ve seen so far makes it look like just another bad multiverse movie and not a Deadpool sequel
@@kbraven7007The 1st DP movie was great! The 2nd movie...I remember watching that shit once and that was at the theater. The fat boy with his shit acting. Him being involved in that movie made me hate DP2
@@Ceber300FACTS
It's going to be dead on arrival just like how everyone hyped up Dr Strange 2 and now everyone hates that movie when it came out🤣
15:17 you should be worried. It’s recently come out that they aren’t letting Reynolds do any improvisation in the movie AT ALL and that they are re shooting ANY and ALL scenes where he went off script. It’s also been reported that even though it’s rated R nothing in it isnt something you couldn’t do with a pg13 movie. It’s like the film makers don’t even understand how comedy works and/or are actively trying to destroy the movie.
Well now that they're down to one movie and one tv show a year, perhaps the writers will actually have time to write a decent, coherent story vs. "This is sh*t, but f*ck it, it's due tomorrow morning because that's when filming starts."
Also this show just makes me want to go back and watch the old Law and Order: Criminal Minds.
Echo made me want to watch Scrubs👨🏻⚕️🩺
Bruh they’re not listening to us. The problem isn’t hero fatigue, its the fact they’re wasting resources and time on irrelevant ass heroes. I don’t give a damn who echo is or care about she-hulk or the stupid eternals. They are out of touch. We did not need a Black widow prequel movie that sucked or hawkeye show. We need relevant characters and stories. This is becoming a waste of time. To me whats even crazier were 4 years away from Endgame and I cant tell you anything that really happened or stuck with me in the last 4 years of MCU content. The last great thing was the tv shows Wandavision, and FatWS. The Doc strange movie and spiderman movies were okay… but something didnt quite hit with those.
#RIPMARVEL from a life long Marvel fan.
I pulled the plug on my Marvel consumption about 2 years ago. Video essays like this one only confirm that I made the right choice
Steve sweetheart I left Marvel 8 years ago!!!! Can you believe that?
Same I’ve stopped giving a shit about it after endgame
@@Zeron108 ok I just came back to Marvel. It was the best choice I have ever made! She-Hulk was AMAZING MAAAAANNNNNN!
I never watched she hulk but it was a cringefest
@@Zeron108 WONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!
I think there's five major things Marvel needs to work on from this show.
1. They didn't go deep enough into her culture. If you're going to make that a key part of the character, you need to make it actually matter. Help us learn about this culture that I don't have much exposure to! They didn't do that. It was only skin deep.
2. Violence and blood is not why we want mature shows. Sure, blood and gore is all well and good, but we loved Daredevil and Jessica Jones for their mature storytelling. Dealing with dark and difficult topics with maturity and nuance. The violence served to further the narrative, it wasn't the narrative's foundation. Daredevil's religion and fight between good and evil within himself, and Jessica's inner demons and trauma... Exploring that was what made those shows so compelling.
3. Marvel doesn't understand why we love Kingpin. Vincent D'Onofrio is great, but Marvel doesn't understand why we loved him in Daredevil. It wasn't his strength. It wasn't the desire to try to redeem him. He wasn't cartoonishly violent. He was deeply loyal to those he loves, and his violence felt... It's hard to explain. It felt like he could explode at any moment. Like the furocity is bubbling under the surface at all times. Marvel's current take on him doesn't feel like that at all. He feels like a man-child, not a calculated, efficient villain with deep trauma and the ability to snap at any moment. Also there's no way in hell he wouldn't learn ASL for someone he loves when he learned Japanese and Mandarin to spy on his business partners.
4. We don't want every character to have some wild, mystical origin to their powers, and we want powers that are visceral and actually feel... Powerful. Echo would've been cooler with her original comic abilities, and I'm personally sick and tired of mystical powers that give you glowing hands that shoot beams of light that feel like they have no actual punch. Like, if you even look back to Iron Man and his laser beams, due to the choreography, the sound design, and the acting, it felt like it genuinely would hurt. It packed a punch. Cap's shield... You felt like that would hurt like hell if it smacked you in the face. Their recent glowy mystical shit doesn't pack a punch. It doesn't feel like it would even sting. They need to get visceral with their powers again.
5. Cut this shit out with the short, disappointing final episodes with no weight and a rushed plot. Give your shows time to breathe. And the finale should be among the longest episodes. This isn't just a Marvel issue, it's a Disney issue as a whole. Star Wars falls victim to this as well. Episodes are way too short with no time to breathe and plots that feel rushed. Andor and Loki were probably the only exceptions.
Not a coincidence that Andor and Loki are the best shows on Disney plus
every point you made was spot on ! very well said.
Don’t Forget What if is also a great Show!
@@brickzoneanimations8395 agreed, i really liked MoonKnight as well
well I guess we can all agree that the only good shows that Disney Plus put out are Andor, Loki, What If... and Moon Knight
MCU be like “At least we ain’t DC”🤣
They could be soon 😂
I’m really sad to say but I’m completely withdrawing from the mcu and Star Wars as well I hate what Disney has done with both of these properties
I know I’m the minority here but I enjoyed how echo released all at once it helped me enjoy it more. I thought the action sequences and episode 3 at the roller rink was really cool, and I thought her powers were interesting. But I also completely understand the complaints and the issues with empty scripts/scenes and bad pacing.
I feel like it is also worth pointing out that Alaqua Cox can't act even if her life depended on it. It is not just a subpar character but also a subpar actress trying to lead a subpar show. Ungodly combination because if you can say one good thing about She-Hulk is that Tatyana Maslany tried her best to act in that circus.
Its because these dxmbasses at the head of the MCU really thought they actually needed to find a deaf Native American to play the role of the deaf Native American. I’m so sick of the dumb pandering and tip toeing around being offensive bullshxt that this country has come to. Everyone is a sensitive, entitled prick, and it shows in every fabric of our lives now.
First of all marvel is the actress First role second of not her fault with the stuff she was given also how about you all stop going into these movies and shows with high expectations because look what happened with multiverse of madness you all assumed every single dam marvel character was going to show up in that movie knowing full well that they are going to put all of those characters in secret wars also if you don't like anything marvel studios is putting out the moment then just don't watch it instead of complaining about it
I can’t understand the love for Loki season 2, it was what finally drove me to cancel Disney+.
You probably watched it with your mind already made up on how you feel about the mcu
I’d love for the MCU to be good again, who wouldn’t want more good shows and movies, but Loki season 2 really felt like a movie that had been waaaay overstretched into a Disney+ show.
Unpopular opinion: HAWKEYE was not as bad as people make it. I actually thought Moon Knight was garbage
if deadpool 3 is good credit should go to reynolds not disney
It was awful with a main character who did not have a single redeeming feature about her. Why Kingpin or her family would bend over backwards to try and accommodate her never made any sense. Worse, it took established and well written characters and debased them for its own ends in regard to Daredevil and Kingpin.
1. Daredevil would not leave a killer like (Maya) on the loose and just disappear.
2. Kingpin would have taken the time to learn sign language as the character as established in the Netflix series was meticulous and thorough. That irrespective of whether he ever really cared about her or not. He actually took the time to learn the languages of others in the previous series. Were the writers so arrogant that they did not think that they needed to watch them? They could have learned from them.
3. Kingpin, just like in Hawkeye, seems to hire absolute morons to work for him in these new Marvel shows and is easily defeated himself. The one in the Netflix series was a genuine threat and not to be taken lightly.
You're completely delusional
This show was nowhere near the action of the Punisher series with John Bernthal. At least make it on par if you are going to state it's violent.
Kevin Feige out here gaslighting everybody. His statement of "it's really a good personal story" with regard to Echo is either a lie, or complete and utter madness. This show was total dogshit. There was no personal growth, no story...
They shouldn’t be surprised about the hate. When you have 20 new projects being created at the same time and never giving them a chance to touch effects or actually write engaging story’s. They need to slow down
The real issue is why Echo needed a show anyway. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying she didn’t deserve one, but as a character who already appeared in Hawkeye, she could have appeared in other shows instead, building up Kingpin to be a looming threat over our heroes in the world of politics for a future MCU trilogy that could be interesting. While the Echo show was objectively ok, way too safe if you ask me, I couldn’t help but wonder why Marvel put so much time into a character that didn’t need this much backstory in the first place. Even as an MCU fan, I know most of the movies and shows after Phase 3 have been either lazy and/or terrible, but Echo’s just strange, like the show did not need to be made if Kingpin was already gonna be a villain in the MCU anyway, y’know? Because the show just builds this guy up, which is cool, but that’s all it does.
She truly doesn’t deserve one😊
@@babyyoda4942Ok, now let's try to get an answer from someone who's not a complete retard.
@@babyyoda4942"On that we agree"~John Wick😊
The next spotlight should be a 5 episode run about what lives underneath Fiege's cap. I cant remember the last time I saw him without the hat. That might actually be better written, have better character growth, and more compelling than Echo or Agatha.
I’m probably going to not watch Deadpool 3 because I know deep down it’ll suck. Sorry, can’t trust Disney. I’m going to boycott it.
After the MCU was directionless in Phase 4 Kevin thought "we re going all in on that. Make shows no one wants, no one will see and just say they're "spotlights" so it seems like we have a reason to make that s*it"
So did the guys in the trucks at the end just decide to call it quits and go home like kingpin😂
The shitty new stuff makes me appreciate the og 10x more.
There is one thing MCU is better at than other companies, they manage to ruin actors lives forever by giving them shit material to work along with stupid roles and then they have to call back the old actors from films that belong to other studios to keep themselves to make money like no way home did and now deadpool 3.
I really hope they get their groove back soon and we all just collectively decide to pretend like this phase never even existed.
Imagine if they never wasted money on she hulk and echo and instead took that money and made a dead pool mini series rated tv-ma we rarely get a tv-ma marvel show and they waste it on this corny shit
I need to be able to trust Ryan Reynolds on Deadpool because for him it is really a passion project
Has any of you read the original comics? Echo is actually Native American and deaf. It's literally faithful to the comics.
I hated what they did to Kingpin. There's no way Kingpin would grovel to anybody, especially someone who shot him.
What's up with the constant scowl on her face.if your going to hire a deaf actor make sure they can act with their face she was horrible.And who thought a grandma one punching mobsters was a good idea.
This could have been a small fun show with 20 something episodes. this 5 episodes could have been condensed in 2 episodes where you define who your main character is, and then it's a road show where Echo uses her abilities to help people out. she could cross paths with other marvel street level characters. Give it an 80s feel, like knight rider or the a-team. I think it could have been fun like that.
You clearly have never read about the history of Maya lopez or even try to do research on the character also the majority of these characters don't hangout like that stop expecting marvel to be the way it was in 2012 to 2018 ok
@@mwamba85dtyou’re acting like marvel has been exactly like the comics but it’s not
@@mwamba85dtWhy should people stop expecting Marvel to be like it was between 2012-2018? It was good then and people want it to be good again.
I also have no idea what you mean by "the majority of these characters hang out like that". They do.
naw the whole point of MCU was the interconnectivity. Its what brought non comic fans in. Now, its just comics with no consequences cuz Multiverse. Multiverses dont work well in a multi film franchise.@@mwamba85dt
The lack of consistency is extremely frustrating. I was excited for Moon Knight, but felt dejected by the end, then with Loki s2, I was dejected at the start and extremely invested by the end. It feels like we shouldn't care about any new projects, until the project shows it's true colours. Falcon, Secret Wars, Marvels, Echo, Hawkeye, MOM, BP2...these are all projects with absolutely ZERO vision. Some members of production might have had a vision once, but it got buried in post, re-shoots and executive decisions made based on fucking 'trends'.
It's dead kids...stop poking it.
EDIT: Ant-man 3 was so forgettable, I only remembered that fever dream after this dude showed a clip.
FWIW, I enjoyed Moon Knight a lot more than Loki S2. Hawkeye was a fun MCU Christmas show - not the greatest, but it clearly had a "vision."
@@BenChanNYC by vision, I mean for the broader universe. Iron Man as an example had an extremely clear vision (see Tony's very first scene and let me know if you see what I saw) so it felt like a foundation, like we were ester egg hunting and having in-depth discussions with fellow nerds about this insane imaginary universe. No there just isn't a whole lot to say about any of it. Fun is good and all, but the REAL way this universe used to seep into my reality was definitely a result of passion and vision. This new shit is just reactionary...and I hate social media so they never se my hashtags.
what's furthermore crazy is that i heard they are planning to make a season 2 for echo...like for what? cuz sure as hell they don't seem to bother with good writing or choosing to put a character that is already beloved in the center so idk what makes them think it's going to make them more richer, if anything it will just flop. but quantity over quality i guess?
What if...
We dropped the MCU for good?
I think Marvel Spotlights could be an anthology series about a new character every episode, seem like it would work better
The MCU DESPERATELY needs X-Men and Fantastic Four! They have all of the best villains and team ups!
I doubt we will see full-scale X-Men movies any time soon because they're not allowed to recast the X-Men until 2027.
Sell Deadpool 3 and Blade to Universal Pictures and New Line Cinema respectively. And not part of the MCU and instead in their own separate universes and no multiverse hopping crap.
I said this in another post too but it sucks even more because she is my favorite female superhero and the message in comic writer David Mack's story Echo: Vision Quest was profoundly powerful and changed me for the better in some ways. I wish they just stuck to her original power which is like Taskmaster, and went all avant-garde and did the Vision Quest storyline. They made her way too bland and vanilla so now no one is gonna see the potential she shows in the comics, especially her first few appearances in Daredevil.
Same shit different day
At this point they are just getting memes from internet and calling it a script.
this was like the marvels of the tv shows... they cut it down because they knew it was going to be a flop
You know it😅
In my opinion Echo was a pretty good show. I loved how it took a turn on a more serious tone whether than another she-Hulk, Love and thunder, or Captain Marvel 2 situation where they relied more on humor than seriousness. Not to mention the character seemed fresh, every other show is based on a character that everyone is familiar with. Echo seems like something new. The story was great too, my only issue is it ended too soon and the ending seemed a bit rushed, other than that not bad of a show.
I haven't even watched Echo yet, and after this video, I have even less reason to. I've been more forgiving of the MCU than most these days, but I've gotten to the point where I'm just over it now.
I still love characters like Doctor Strange, the Scarlet Witch, and Ms. Marvel (I mean, let's be real here: Iman Vellani's performance was the only good thing about The Marvels), and I LOVED the Loki series.
Unfortunately, however, I could not give less of a shit about Deadpool 3, because I suspect that its bigger connection to the MCU will mean that they're going to: 1. tone it WAY down so as not to ruffle Disney's feathers, and 2. "She-Hulk" it, shoehorning in a bunch of "this is why the fans hate us right now" self-deprecating jokes. Those frustrate the bejeezus out of me because they're spot-on, and yet they treat it like: "Oh, those fans! They're just bitchy and unsatisfiable. There are still people who like us, so we're going to keep doing what we're doing". They can see our points of contention, and yet they'll treat it as a joke and not as something to absorb and learn from.
Also, I agree that the Agatha Harkness series is going to be a total nothing-burger too. Yeah, she was cool in WandaVision, but only because she was revealed as the mastermind behind the stuff in Westview that Wanda didn't have under her control. She wasn't given enough to make her interesting as a solo character, and I have my doubts that her own show is going to achieve that satisfactorily.
Honestly, I think Marvel Studios needs to stop everything. Either release the rest of what's already fully made or toss it in the skip, and then shut down, gather all the writers, directors, actors, and everyone else still on the active roster for the MCU and retool. Now that Jonathan Majors is out as Kang and no backup plan seems to be implemented, there couldn't be a better time for them to get their shit together, take in all of the criticisms and grievances, and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM.
I think that if we're actually MCU fans who just want the good stuff again (and not wannabe edgelords just doing the "ME HATE POPULAR THING!" routine), we'd welcome the return of high-quality MCU productions. The critical and fan response to Loki and GOTG3 should be some indication of that. We can still recognize, and give praise for, MCU projects made with care and passion.
They have good talent that's getting wasted on subpar work. We know they can do better. They just have to WANT it. And if they don't want it, or can't do it anymore, then it needs to end. Close the book on the MCU, and we can remember it for the good stuff and move on.
I despise the idea of Marvel Spotlight, I'm sorry but I feel that without the connective tissue, the series is not that good
In my opinion, the big reason the MCU is failing is because we are this far into the multiverse saga and the villain is supposed to be Kang but it seems like they have no sense of direction and keep throwing stuff out there to fill the void. So much of the multiverse saga seems to have nothing to do with the multiverse whatsoever. Also, since Jonathan Majors has been fired it seems as though the Multiverse Saga has no big bad like Thanos to tie everything together. They feel like they're running on fumes at this point. Will they make it to Secret Wars? I dunno.
Even an R-RATED MCU isn’t enough to hide their bullshit
Maybe I’m in the minority here, but I don’t think most of the current MCU stuff is necessarily bad. Not good, either. Just consistently and painfully mid.
I just find it odd that the two groups I barely cared about GOTG & Suicide Squad were the last ones to give me good comic movies. As I only cared about the heavy hitters Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-Man etc an both were made by Gunn. I trust in him and hope he delivers with DC.
Deadpool was not and is not MCU. They've decided all Marvel products are MCU because of the multiverse, but that's just nonsense. Netflix shows were canon, then decanonized, now they're canon again. AoS was canon, now it's not. Fox movies weren't canon, oh but now they are. They're just destroyed any substantive storytelling with the multiverse. Nothing matters and there are no stakes. So who cares anymore?
Echo wasn't bad at all (unlike some of the other Disney+ productions). Who complains about a 5 episode series about a deaf, disabled hero? Disney, as a whole, may be putting out project after project that falls short of your expectations but you cant deny that they get close to hitting the mark on more than a few Disney+ shows. I was not familiar with the hero Echo when i 1st started watching it but the writing, the acting, & the premise of the show is what got me to enjoy it more than some of the others. Your love for Marvel characters has created an unrealistic image of them in your mind that Disney will never live up to. I admit that Disney has obviously dropped the ball on a good amount of projects (shows & films) but i would not lump Echo in with the likes of Secret Invasion, The Marvels, or Quantamania. The only complaint i would give about Echo was the tie-ins to other Marvel projects, but even then they did a successful job of condensing what info we needed from those projects into workable scenes/flashbacks. You can tell there are fans of Marvel making these projects but what you & everyone else seem to focus on is the business decisions of Disney without taking into consideration the hard work their employees put into each of these.
Echo was terrible
i wouldn’t worry about Deadpool; Ryan Reynolds is the reason that it even exists and also why it’s been great, so the only time you should worry about Deadpool is if Reynolds no longer works on the project
as for the MCU in general, i don’t think there’ll be much hope for a long time; sure they have one or two bright spots, but one or two healthy cells amidst a body full of cancer cells sadly doesn’t mean much
the tragic thing about the MCU and most of Hollywood is: they don’t even know what they’re doing wrong
anything that brushes shoulders with corporate america has been infected with deadly levels of incompetence and it’s looking like the whole thing will have to come crashing down before “fixing it” can begin
holy shit u guys are mad petty and picky. Echo was a good show, writing wasnt that bad and action was cool
Loki is extremely overrated, I think people like the Loki character so much they are willing to give the tv show a pass. It’s not good
I understand why the show was quiet at times to show maya is deaf but i just found it obnoxious
Trust me. It’s not written by AI. Humans can be so bad at writing it’s baffling. A mindset like, Bad = must be AI, to me is such a lazy excuse. Go look at terribly written movies before the advent of AI technology. Humans are fucking terrible at writing stories when they aren’t into what they’re writing. I heard the show had good writers involved, they probably were not interested in the characters. They were probably just hired because they made something good before so they were told “make something good again” and they tried too hard.
Do not blame AI. That is lazy. Blame studio execs for hiring writers who are not in love with what they are writing. If someone is writing something and they are fully OK with somebody coming in and changing things, they’re not writing something they’re passionate about.
The MCU is now run by radiated goats bleating randomly, dying, while worshipping the Panderstone and insisting “this is fine”.
Dr.Strange. Antman. {Even Venom... thanks to the ending of Venom 2}. All could've been successful stand-alones. But then MCU Gobbled them to "play safe" for the franchise. Now idgaf tbh ppl.
Echo was good..Loki was great, guardians 3 was good..multiverse of madness was good, werewolf by night was good, Moon Knight was acting on another level, wakanda forever was good..umm..like Dr. Dre said "fell off jow..my last album was the chronic"
Stop commenting and delete your account.
I'm 100% percent on board with shows and movies that are independent or separate from a big over-arching story!!! In fact, I wish they'd do MORE of it, but if you're going to do it, pick a character that enough people give a shit about. GO TO A COMIC BOOK SHOP!!!! Ask the shop owners "What books are your customers buying on a regular basis?" -- That should be an indicator of who you should be making movies and shows about.
Example. DOOM. One of the hottest books of 2024. Where is he in the MCU? Another one, Cosmic Ghost Rider, another popular book. Immortal Hulk, incredibly popular. No show. No movie. SILK!!!! A popular female character with zero movie/show presence. Instead, we get Echo. A book that doesn't sell, even paired with Daredevil.
Have been binging "Supernatural" for the first time. It is TV-14... It has more blood in a single episode than "Echo"in the whole series. MA rating... what a joke.