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In this video essay, we break down why the new DCEU film, The Flash, is everything wrong with Hollywood. Starring Ezra Miller, The Flash tells an incredibly messy story with a mix of Nostalgia, cameos, tonal whiplash, and a list of other faults. Although it has moments of greatness, it ultimately is a lesson on how to not make a nostalgia-bait superhero movie. The return of Michael Keaton's Batman wasn't enough to save this one.
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0:00 - Intro
1:32 - Sponsor
2:54 - Part 1
9:17 - Part 2
13:57 - Part 3
15:43 - Summary
What did you think of The Flash?
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It a ripoff of spider-man no way home and across the spiderverse
I think is was fine for what it was meant to do. Definietly an overhyped film but for being used as a reboot film it did its job. (loosely but it did it)
It was solid
@@Hallofshame-f7x flash did it 1st but ok
For its long and troubled history, it’s better than I thought it was gonna be. Outside of that, there’s a good movie trying to claw to the surface but it’s pushed down by so many shit.
I think the reason why Zod was the villain for the flash is because Henry Cavill was originally supposed to be there. However, since they cut him out, the teams had to redraft their script and everything which sucks.
No
I don't get why they didn't make the movie similar to the original Flashpoint or the cartoon adaptation. You had great cameo from WonderWoman, Aquaman and Batman in the new universe. They were plot relevant and made the final act ''Battle''.
Or do a Flash movie interested of a multiversal justice league movie
To change the actors/resses they wanted. If they made the flashpoint as in the comics and make for example michael keeton play thomas wayne they wouldn't be able to change affleck in the end. Perhaps the plan was to change superman with supergirl as well. I saw somewhere some pictures that it was keeton and supergil who appeared at the end of the flash movie but take it with a grain of salt.
I think they only made this flash movie to reset the universe! Not wanting to create flashpoint
Because originally they were gonna end this movie replacing both Batman and Superman with their female counterparts to go forward with Wonder Woman as the new trinity...The D She U...
Thank god as bad as this movie was in parts they ditched that idea... Obviously Batgirl was never in this movie but because they were gonna erase Affleck's Batman... Or leave him stranded in another universe...and then have Keaton stay around to mentor Batgirl that's how she would have come into the picture... Oddly from reports of people who saw the screenings Keaton's only in Batgirl for about ten or fifteen minutes so it was just more nostalgia bait
The creative industry (not just cinema) absolutely enfasizes ''Originality'' in new works from the time of education, so someone who would actually copy-paste previous stories into film would NEVER advance in his her studies and work. There HAS to be some change, better be a lot of change, ''personal touch'', for the grades and success to come. So no, do not expect a faithful adaptation of x or y, they will (almost) never do it. Let's hope they hire better creatives or the executives let them be good.
Yea I felt like it was a 6/10, the overhype of this move was insane and makes me believe those people saw a waaaaaaay better cut of what we got
Gunn tampered
I think they enjoyed it better than us because, they didn’t see the whole movie in the trailers like us
There wasn’t any overhype… there was nothing but hate😂
@@Lil_ValorThey mean the people who saw whatever version of the movie was shown earlier than it's theatrical release
They saw the same movie we did, you'd be hyping the movie too if you'd been handed a fat sack of cash by Warner studios
It's essentially just a worse version of the CW series Savitar storyline.
Which is a worse version of the future flash storyline in the new 52
They should've just taken some of the ideas and casting decisions from the CW shows, and used them for the live action movies. With a bigger budget and better writing it could've been something great.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lptfu. Anything berlanti is involved is utter rubbish, brain decaying rubbish. CW is a waste of resources, you absolute tool.
@@knoober3756I don’t believe it’s a worse version of the future flash story from the comics cause bruh at least CW’s Savitar was a original take on the character
The DCEU just directly copied the CW with Dark Flash.
@@ScarletTalks if dark flash wasn’t covered in debris you wouldn’t go to Savitar.
I don’t mind them using Zod. Yes, he is a villain in the movie but not the main villain. The main villain is Barry Allen himself.
The real villain was Ezra Miller.
Total scumbag, needs to be in prison.
Yeah. Ezra Miller is certainly the main villain here.
As a fan of comics, I still love to see a flash villain involved
@@remainstainless757 like how do you make a flash movie with zero mention of reverse flash lmao
@@Daemon1995_ The same way you make a Superman movie without bizarro
They had an established universe with Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and fkng Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Thomas Wayne, they had permission to use ANY character of DC. So... WHY IN THE HELL THEY DINDT DO A GOOD ADAPTATION FLASHPOINT?!
This is what happen when you give power to an Independiente's fan
Zod wasn’t the antagonist of this film, he was the catalyst to make Barry 2 the antagonist of the film.
Zod is the antagonist of the film, Barry 2 was the main villain
@@yay29823 Opposite, Barry is the Antagonist, the oppositation of the protagonist, Zod is the villain
@@SAWYERFAN.1 I don't remember how the film went anymore, so I can't reply 👍🏼
Honestly I don’t really care about it. I really wanted to see Man of Steel 2 & Justice League 2(without Ezra and Amber). I think removing Henry Cavill and making this Flash movie was a HUGE mistake.
"Why is Zod the villain of this movie?" - Why were all of Arrow's villains Batman and Teen Titan Villains?
Who is slade?
Slade Wilson = Deathstroke ("The Terminator") - originally a "New Teen Titans" villain
The only silver lining was that it was the send off to batfleck and gave us a modern style fight scene with Keaton. That’s pretty much it. They also screwed up cuz Keaton and reeve are supposed to be on the same earth, earth 789.
That doesn’t mean those are the only earths they are on
@@wsconsn they clearly want it to be the same Batman
In the comic, that was supposed to be Bruce Wayne's father as batman
no, reeves and keaton were always on different earths. keaton's earth only has bats while reeves only has supes
but i do agree that they should not have made him keaton batman
just have him be batfleck but older, let keaton act rather than just dryly re say the same dialogues
would have worked out better
@@ankurdesai8370 nope, they’ve been on the same earth for a while. Earth 789
I liked Keaton's Batman in this. The mistake they made was killing him I think.
It's good to point out bad CGI but you shouldn't forget the fact that it mostly is bad due to the shifty working condition since they're mostly have to rework it during the production and not after and the movie came also earlier.
This movie admittedly should have better CGI because of how long it was in production. But definitely agree that CGI artists in Hollywood have been mistreated and not given conditions where they can do their best work.
The movie has been in production for over 10 years and it was delayed several times. They really don't get a pass for any of this. They just wanted to make money off of this sorry excuse for a movie before Ezra Miller's court cases get rolling.
@TheComicBookLowdown no it shouldn't due to the stupid and controversial circumstances during its production.
@squatchit5700 There have been many other circumstances during the production that led to what the movie has become. But you are just too blind to get it. It really isn't always and only about the God damn money.
I just want to say Thank you for putting in time breaks to let us skip the ads. That is such a great thing and I appreciate it very much.
Kinda funny James Gunn hyped this movie as one of the greatest superhero movies of all time. Meanwhile, his own movie GOTG 3, released the same year, is far superior.
It's likely always been just promo talk as DCU CEO but still funny to think about.
Honestly this was as good if not better than gotg3
@@maxfishslap7304 No honesty there, bro.
He's the captain on a sinking ship, what other choice does he have?
Agree with your take on Sasha Calle’s Supergirl. She was easily the best thing about this movie, and I hope we see her in the role again.
Haha seriously? Such horrible acting
@@idiot_city5244not just the acting, but the girl just reeked of masculinity imo, her voice, hair, simply not what I want to see from a Supergirl.
@@seanmiles6991true
Such a shame they didn't do much with her.
@@idiot_city5244 Incorrect
Maybe is because im not a comic guy, but i did enjoy the movie, also i didnt went with expectation so i can guess that helped. Cool movie, but i do agree cgi is the worst ive seen in a long time
I guess it don’t matter who actually killed his mom
@@bryannoah9023 yeah that’s what I told my friend the moment the movie ended, I know a little because my girlfriend sees the show, but for someone who doesn’t know anything .. that’s bad writing
Yea, i thought it was good, despite the cgi.
too many superheros cgi had to be used to much
You should check out the animated movie flashpoint. It’s way better
Barry put the cans of tomato from the bottom shelf to the top shelf so that when his Father will grab the tomatoes. He looks up in the camera catch him . George Clooney was there, because Barry didn’t learn his lesson and had done something to change the timeline again.
The best version of this film was rick famuyiwa original pitch idea of Flash and Cyborg in a buddy cop style pairing. That would of been a better movie hands down as Famuyiwa was writing it and his films are always solid.
Exactly, however this movie rehashed the same shyt that was sone on the CW. I questioned why are they going down this road when u got a show that’s been on for 8 years
That sounds like shit
I want to say The CWs Crisis on infinite earth's is a better DC comic multiversal story than this movie where it appropriately built up to it over 7 years and that was the most logical story to adapt. This movie being a multiverse movie feels last minute & not built up.
...the DC and Marvel multiverses work completely differently from each other.
Because the point of this movies isn't a multiversal story, at all.
I agree they should have made a solo flash movie first... A build up to flashpoint but the Studio heads are always rushing things
Sheet, I would've loved to have seen Anti-Monitor on screen
@@isidroundercover that as a whole is the big problem with the DCEU, instead of actually building up the characters and the story line WB wanted to directly "catch up" with MCU and the Avengers team up asap and now multiverse. After Man of Steel they just wanted to throw everything and everyone in without even introducing and exploring the characters properly. I genuinely liked the idea of a darker comic DC universe, but they sacrificed something that could've been potentially actually good and different. But no let's just instantly make BvS and throw WW, mention The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg for the future Justice League without knowing anything about the characters (except WW movie). Let's also do the death of Superman even tho it's literally the 2nd movie in the franchise and resurrect him right after that. WarnerBros wanted the short gain and expected people to cheer them for that while everyone knew they are trying to make a cheap catch up with Marvel.
In my language there is a saying "cooking a soup with grapes" which basically means throwing everything in something even if it doesn't make sense to be there expecting to be good. This is basically what WB did and they did it again with The Flash.
I don't really look at Zodd as the villain of the film and I don't think the film did either. In a way, Barry becomes his own antagonist. Zodd showing up to me felt like they needed someone formidable to create another scenario where Barry needs to learn to finally let go -- which was the repeated deaths of Batman and Supergirl -- something he learns through seeing Barry-2 not being able to let go. Also, and this is just speculation, it may also be a way to maybe address something that people have kinda asked about with regards to Man of Steel: where were the other metahumans when Zodd attacked Metropolis? I think it's a nice touch to look into Barry's failure when he started off, and the film does touch on how Barry tries to do good and fails at it, or that he fails to recognise that some things are beyond him and he can't fix everything i.e. his mother dying, his dad staying in prison, and how his company conducts their forensic investigations.
The story might have been better if the dark flash appeared more and had the vibe of being the true actual antagonist and zod is basically the obstacle barry cannot overcome and dark flash stops him from going back in time to fix his mistake. Like the movie spent like an hour saying zod is the problem completely forgetting the being that punch barry out of the speed force at a time period way before his time. The movie had no true actual antagonist since basically barry was his own antagonist but it was never shown visually with scenes.
@johnwinchesterp2963 I get what you're saying, but the problem there is that Dark Flash needs Barry to get stuck in the past in order to get him to train and give his younger self (Barry-2, who's Dark Flash's younger self) his powers. You also have to consider the fact that Barry-2's timeline is in trouble due to no Superman being there and going back in time won't stop Zodd's invasion in this timeline that he's created, hence why Barry even tries to stop Zodd: to fix his a mistake he may not have the solution to, which ties back around to the big lesson he has to learn.
@@Susanoo7108 Yeah I meant it in a way to have dark flash loom in the shadows and perhaps try to stop them from going through certain routes to make sure he is created. You know something to make the viewers feel his presence wondering who is he and wondering why isn't he attacking barry when he can and then the viewers realize that he needed barry to teach his past self how to time travel for the dark flash to be created. Keep zod since practically he is the first big threat earth faced so it would make sense for the flash to deal with the mess now that he changed the timeline but put the dark flash in certain scenes to make the viewers remember him instead of appearing once at the first 30 minutes of the movie and once towards the end.
It's a Kishotenketsu story
the flashpoint animated movie use world war and a bomb that destroy the earth in order to flash learn that lesson.
Top Gun Maverick, Blade Runner 2049 and Creed are how you do it right
3 absolute bangers
We needed to see Cavill at the beginning. Seeing the trio fight side by side woulda been a nice ending
This why people can't get anything nice... That movie was a Greatly made movie
The fact that Flash starred production in 2004
That's insane for it to end up like this
I find the Flash's "Don't change what's established" theme really odd because we just came off a whole bunch of movies that actively shake the established order. "Back To The Future" ends with Marty changing the future as a good thing. Miles Morales' very existence as Spiderman is considered an anomaly in the timeline and he causes another one; but he refuses to back-down, consequences be damned.
The theme wasnt “dont change whats established”, the theme was not every problem you have has a solution. It means there are certain problems in your life you can only accept, and thats what he learns.
He still saves his dad, he did change that.
I like it. It's not perfect, but The Flash is actually a lot better compared to the time wasted on the last Ant man and Thor
Nobody shows up to watch groomer and criminal
@@russianhomecat3313 well I was acfually not planning to see it as it was the end DCEU anyway and I don't particularly like their treatment towards Cavill and yet Warner support Ezra and Amber, but went because of Keaton and the others.
But I'll definitely wom't go and watch Aquaman 2
@@yohansetiawan1323 To be fair Amber didn’t groom kids and she is a side character. If Aquaman 2 has great visuals I don’t have problem to watch this movie. But Miller makes me sick, can’t stand him
@@russianhomecat3313To be fair neither did Ezra. They were found innocent on all charges.
@@maxfishslap7304 Really? 🤣
Grant Gustin as the reverse flash would have been cool for the villian of the film
8/10 for mw its definitely over hated and its obvious most creators are jumping on the hate train for views. besides i can't take the opinion of a person who's sponsored by raid.
The Flash should've been a goodbye to DCEU but they fucked it up with the cameos no one asked for.
Atleast bring back Gran Gustin Flash and All the members of Justice League for the one last time. Tell us the story of Flashpoint Paradox with the Synderverse characters instead of whatever you wrote.
And end the movie with Ezra Miller's dying at the end of the movie and Gran Gustin's Flash replacing him fixing the universe and then you can make all James Gunn changes you want with that New Universe.
It would not only be a great send off for the characters we were following since Man of Steel. But also a Thankyou for the fans like myself that stick throughout this universe.
Why so much hate on this movie, for me, it was great, long movie with tons of cool action scenes, and really sad moments, the cast was ok, supergirl was great, the story and effects were not the best of all but overall ok, even the last scene was great when flash hug her mom, and the multi universe cgi was ok, not great but over all ok, and I loved nicolas cage on superman costume, so overall it was an enjoyable movie with sad moments and funny scenes, BTW nothing wrong on having supergirl instead of superman, let girls shine .....
Agreed
When Batman is making the spaghetti and calls it a hot mess or something, it’s perfect metaphor for this movie. When the Flash eats it so fast without thinking about it. It represents the people who think this movie is good.
The Flash reminded why i ve been saturated with the genre lately and to be honest, as someone who loves super heroes and comic books,this film marked the end of watching the genre for me.
I have the opinion that we don't have superhero fatigue, it's mediocrity fatigue
@@alexmanrique2280 And the Flash is mediocre.
@@miltontavares9506
i agree and i have no superhero fatigue ..the movies i loved the best this year were all superhero films even quantumania
my issue was the wb tried to manipulate people into not speaking on ezra being a shitty person and a criminal by bringing back keaton's batman and intetionally having him saying iconic lines from his batman.....
and that their costume designer really said this will make us forget about ezra's crimes...wb approved that so they werent even hiding that was their agenda and i find that sick and disrespectful to his victims and their families
Everyone says that but then you get a Spiderman into the multiverse and all the people who said they had superhero fatigue go watch the movie 😆
@@alexmanrique2280absolutely… I didn’t hear anything about superhero fatigue when Guardians of the Galaxy 3 came out. I wonder why? Could it be because it was a really good movie that did well at the box office?
I thought The Flash was decent. I was entertained. It was interesting how Barry 2 somehow made Barry 1 tolerable by comparison. The beginning of the movie felt like a bit cringy, watching Ezra play the character, but the dynamic of the two Barry’s ended up redeeming things to some degree. The movie may qualify as a “bomb” relative to the hype and the box office results, but I didn’t feel like it was a terrible movie like a lot of bombs tend to be.
ok , can someone explain to me why at then end the mother doesn't recognize her son in the grocery store as and older version , he literally looks the same and she treats him like a stranger , am I trippin ? did I miss something ? no one is talking about this !
Why would she recognize her son at least 15 years older who has a completely different haircut than her nine year old?
I found it funny that the costume designer made the cowl movable but Keaton said no, make it stiff lmfao!!
Me and my wife liked it. Had low expectations and just took if for what it was. Watched it free on max. Ezra can really act too bad he's bad shit crazy
This is why I’ve only been watching Japanese and Korean media lately
Like One Piece, Pokemon and Gurren Lagann.
How am I supposed to "turn off my brain" for a movie that expects me to feel?
And your reaction to The Flash is “everything wrong” with sofa critics of film today. 👍🏽
The film was a mix of drama and humor. And it works. And to one of your points, I’d actually say the true villain, and or antagonist in this film, is the younger Barry Allen.
It was a fun movie. Not a great film...but it was fun
The movie had a few flaws - but it also did a lot right! Better than many superhero films the last years
Better than the Phase 4 except for NWH and Wakanda Forever
@@curious5887 Flash was better than NWH
@@hemantks4353 hell no
@@hemantks4353 liar
@@doug176 agree
Using GENERAL ZOD as the villain made PERFECT sense to me. He was convenient.
The DC movie makers needed a scary, “unstoppable”, ALREADY ESTABLISHED menace to throw against our time-travelling Flash. At nearly 2 ½ hours long, this movie DIDN’T HAVE TIME to introduce and flesh-out a NEW, “unstoppable” menace (like Professor Zoom/“Reverse Flash”). For the sake of brevity, they needed someone the audience would IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZE…so it was either General Zod, or that CGI flunky, “Steppenwolf”.
…and nobody wants more Steppenwolf.
Kind of wonder if people now a days actually pay attention to the movies they see... my friend the main villain wasn't Zod, the very same Flash was the origin and end of everything here... and quite possibly he was the killer of her mom in the first time line but that's just a theory... a game theory
Michael Shannon received $1 million for his contribution... for 2 weeks of work😂 Keaton received $2 million.. great to get paid for little work.😆 Imagine just standing behind green screen for 2 weeks then it's " ok cut.. print" thanks Michael" lol..."oh here's your $1 million be cool man".
Well you gotta remember, Barry still fucked with the past since he changed the arrangement of the tomato sauce, as his father was proven innocent. Yeah it was dumb, but George Clooney showing up made since in a way. But... Yeah nostalgia was the key word for this film.
I enjoyed it alot, laughed alot. I assumed the speed force cgi was a creative choice looking like a fluid painting creative style before the director said thats what it was, but i guess I get it that others only saw what could be flaws. I seperate actors from the characters so ive always loved Barry Allen. I also would have added Cavill and the tv flash, but would have gotten rid of Gal Gadet for her pointless cringe 1 liner smile look she always gives. I didnt see it for OG batman, George Clooney was the first batman I saw as a kid so that was cooler to me. (Not how it was handled, but him being in it i liked). I appreciate your breakdown! But i love the multiverse hopping. Thats closer to actual reality the further science progresses. I had alot of fun with this movie and i think im pretty picky, didnt even care to see Shazam 2 or black adam. Those looked like obvious quick cash grabs.
Couldnt agree more. Think the only ppl that dislike this movie are a very tiny percentage of super die hard fans. It’s a solid 8/10 movie. Wouldnt been a 9 if ending wasn’t so lackluster and if the villain wasn’t underpowered.
@@Natak222yeah I understand people having problems with Movie but i think it’s getting too much unnecessary hate and since the flash is my favorite superhero of all time it’s kinda sucks that now That he finally got his own movie people are shitting on it.
Zod isn't the antagonist...Barry is. The moment he touches that can...he becomes the antagonist....we think he learns his lesson...and surprise...he doesn't. George Clooney and Barry's messed up tooth *roll credits*
What the hell did the famous scientologist actor see in The Flash?🤨
It was a good watch. Not the best superhero film but still good
Totally agree! The cameos were pointless... and it's annoying when they force the moments that should cause nostalgia,
like pushing you: now be moved by this old cameo, be surprised!
29 seconds into the video and this is where was disagree. He heard people “hyping the video like it was a masterpiece”… here in America, we didn’t.
After all of the missteps, I don’t know if anyone that thought the movie was going to be anything above average.
What you all don’t realize is that you been coughing up money for mediocre products for the last 20 years. At one point it felt like a crime to criticize anything. Ppl praise everything that I personally wouldn’t pay money for. Here we are! It’s completely warranted.
I saw Across the Spider-Verse 3 times and feel pretty good about myself😆
Flash was good
Spider-Man:Into the Spider-Verse & Everything everywhere all at Spider-Verse 2.
(SPIDER-VERSE 2)
In complete Honesty no way home was written worse than the flash was it was just more entertaining
No bruh, it was pure nostalgia and fan service but it had real touching moments and handled cameos well
@@Kevin_BAPE yes but the writing was lazy getting there I mean it literally got there by doctor strange (an adult) doing a highly dangerous spell for a teenager and didn’t even discuss parameters before I mean that’s just lazy writing but it was a great movie
@@isaacsmith1460 adults make mistakes too lol
And yeah it’s a movie and they have to make a plot happen
No Way Home is the epitome of everything this video claims to critique (no I'm not seeing Flash.)
Shasha Calle's Supergirl costume was properly fixed on that ridiculous 6 pack thanks to the fans' backlash.
I've said it once, I'll say it again...Shasha and her take on Supergirl is something to be watched more in the future over better scripts.
Nope, you’re wrong. I sense a lot of hate over a repetitive trope between film snobs about George Clooney 8:12.
This from the same type of people that hated on Afleck when it was announced he was going to become Batman - as it turned out, he was my favorite Batman.
All these CZcams critics have been doing this long enough, that you’ve actually become bitter and angry; they can no longer just enjoy a fun movie. Sure the VFX was bad, but overall it wasn’t a bad movie as many as these over-glorified tubers suggest.
I liked it, but I’m glad it bombed. It is wrong how the studio has covered for Miller. It is wrong how these studios milk VFX companies.
It’s just the doctor who episode where rose goes back and saves her dad, but made for 350x the budget. And far worse
I love channels like this. Places that rip down other people's work because they can't actually create anything of their own.
I had the same problem with the last Spiderman movie.... Best Spiderman movie of all time lol no that was Spiderman 2 move on. 😂😂😂😂😂
You forgot Tobey Dancing ? Spiderman 3 Ftw
The Flash is the perfect ending to the DCEU
No Way Home hit a homerun because it was FIXING the nonsense of all 3 franchises. Raimi's Spiderman 3 was a pretty lame way to go out for McGuire's Spiderman. The Garfield movies were not really good either, (the 2nd one was terrible). And Holland's spidey had too much Marvel Universe nonsense.
No Way Home: REALLY fixed Garfield's Spidey's open wound. This is the BEST part of the film. It gave McGuire's Spidey a chance to redeem his villains (which were his mentors, which is why this is so important), and it removed all the bull shait from Holland's version, and cleaned up his Spidey to literally be a clean slate, without the Marvel anchor tied around him.
Flash could have so easily done that. But who are the characters they need to fix? SUPERMAN, and to some degree Batman. This movie could have been the Back to the Future version of Man of Steel 2. Flash effs things up, he has to fix them. He changes the timeline so that both Superman and Supergirl work together and defeat Zod, this time working with Batman as well to help Metropolis NOT get completely flattened. Such a wasted opportunity, just because they had some kind of a beef with Cavil.
Undoing deaths kinda undid the impact of those movies
@@souljaboyisbad Not really. We've had like 20 years to feel the impact of the original deaths. We've been given a chance to experience an alternative: where the villains get redeemed. I think, for the spidey universe, that works great.
It really irritates me when people say Hollywood is out of ideas, while the critics are just sitting on their couch doing nothing. If you think writing a brand new story after thousands of years of storytelling is easy , then you write a movie.
That's an extremely close minded point of view. People are in place for this job already, people are professionals in this field already. Are you gonna go play for the Lakers just because you're not happy with how Lebron's playing? No.
@@movieoverload that would be an accurate analogy if you said WB was out of ideas, or the DCEU. But you're saying Hollywood as a whole the same way you would complain about the NBA as a whole. Then at that point, yes, why are you watching, why are you supporting? If you think everyone in the NBA is garbage, then show me how you can do better.
There is a huge difference between "nostalgia bate" and devising a story around legacy characters, otherwise every episode two of a TV show is "nostalgia bate" or worse - fan service. For me, No Way Home was a completion, of sorts, of Toby's and Andrew's stories. Without them, the Peter Parker's story couldn't have happened. Replace them with other actors and the film would have lost no box office, however odd a decision it would have seemed.
Contrariwise, without Michael Keaton in The Flash, nothing would have needed to be changed. Anyone in a bat-costume would have worked just as well but the box office would have been ten per cent lower.
Motivation exposed.
You paid twice. You make too much money.
the "turn off your brain and enjoy" argument also makes no sense when they kept overhyping this film as the holy grail of superhero films (oh and yes someone really said that...a movie critic did and posted it online) and that its a "must see" film
@@Chuck_EL A "must see" film or a "must be seen to be believed" debacle? I've seen enough evidence of cinematic incompetence over the last few years to accept that some critics must have heaved a deep sigh of relief when they realised there was an attempt at a coherent plot for once and the characters were mostly recognisable as humans. That might seem enough of a reason to recommend it in their eyes. Like when a cat walks over your keyboard and accidentally types "Meow" on the screen, you want to tell somebody...
I loved how you said that Nostalgia Bait is not a recent thing, it happened a lot during the old cinema times, and also the whole ideia of movies beign content, is actually the beggining of hollywood, they saw movies as products, that is why they put them in a room to get forgotten with dust or to burn because the room wasn't cold enough and the film was made of dangerous material. That is why 99% of old films are completely lost, Hollywood never and will never make art if we don't fight for it
Flashpoint should NEVER have been the first Flash movie. It's the same mistake they made by having Parallax be the antagonist of the first Green Lantern movie. That's the original sin- the stakes were far too high. Even IF Ezra Miller's many many personal issues weren't present, they couldn't have spun Flashpoint into a first Flash movie and keep it grounded.
I'll give you a lot of those points but you essentially wanted us to leave the movie sad asf. again wonder women cameo i agree with not needed but you also had gripes with henry caville not being there. and the point to Batman trying to talk him down, who doesnt look for confirmation bias and then does the thing they were told not to anyway
Zod needed to be the villain in this movie because Zod.
It is like playing with action figures. The kids who had all the toys never needed an imagination the same way because as soon as they got bored with the toy a new one arrived. I imagine the writers were like these kinda kids.
I hyped it because as a dc fan I just really really REALLY wanted dc to come out with ONE win that's all I wanted I don't think having hope is a bad thing but it's getting hard to have any
Hope is never a bad thing, putting your faith in a big company like that is a waste of time and energy. DC doesn't care about comics, movies, the characters in them, or the fans. They are trying to make a ton of money bedore it's time to close up shop and that is it.
The I’m Batman scene makes sense in context though. Younger Barry is fanboying over the Batcave & Batman & Bruce even delivers the line in a tired semi exasperated way like: yeah yeah I’m Batman get over it.
It wasn't as bad as this guy is nickpicking it to be, but I wished the director would have stuck to the original Flashpoint source rather than doing his own.
Great video essay! Balanced and fair assessment as usual. Keep the videos coming!
The main reason that Supergirl was OK in this movie is because she was arguably the least embarrassing character. Barry and his friends/co-workers were cringe, Barry's parents were forgettable, and Iris West was a boring blank slate who Barry had zero chemistry with. Like you said, Keaton's Batman/Bruce was just in the wrong movie because he's a serious character while this movie is far from serious. And the way they incorporated his iconic lines from the '89 film were cringe. I really didn't find anything standout or special about Kara other than there was never a moment where I cringed at her character, which is a very low bar for a character actually being good. A lot of her scenes were terrible CGI fight scenes, but just because the writers didn't make her another woke girlboss doesn't mean she's automatically a well-written or acted character. She just wasn't godawful like most of the other characters.
I think the Flash was a good movie. I think whats wrong is the lack of moviegoers these days. I think before streaming, this would have been a high grossing film. Pre-Covid Lockdown and Pre Streaming. I think that the manners in how the cinema events and movie advertisements are done has changed the energy of moviegoers. In addition to social media. Its SUPER EASY to downplay a movie and for it to go viral. Im looking at the sidebar as I type and all I see is 'FLOP", "DONE FOR", "OVERHYPED" etc. Negativity sales! Seems like people put more energy towards seeing the demise of things that the opposite.
I WOULD definitely agree to a lot of the things that the video points out and I WOULD say that this doesnt meet the same calliber of Spiderman No way Home.
"Nostalgia bait is lazy. Except for the nostalgia bait that I like"
It is lazy regardless. But if it’s going to be done there are clear blue prints on what works and what doesn’t. I shouldn’t have to spell that out so you understand it, even though I did spell it out and you still managed to comment this.
They use the multiverse mainly to miscast heros like Supergirl, and Spiderman, Aquaman that has been miscasted for a long time, and it's also done for the nostalgia bait.
The Flash also highlighted the hypocracy of Hollywood today:
If Ezra Miller hadn't pretend to be a member of the LGBTQ+ community, the studio would have dropped him like the hot potato he is after coming out as an unhinged, criminal child groomer.
Him catching the badies at the start left a more than sour taste in my mouth, and I had the urge to take a long shower throughout the movie.
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Nahh, disagree about the inclusion of 'Supergirl' in this corporate fan bait Flash flick, because she was really NOT Supergirl in character, but instead Superman with breasts...which pretty much would ironically make sense for her to be in the same ridiculously contrived universe as Bat-nipples Clooney. The Flash movie is wholly deserving of its quick box office burial.
I don't think flash was overhyped, Keaton returning as batman caused the hype. I do feel that the movie disappointed me.
I don’t agree at all with turning your brain off for big action movie
Pacific rim is as big and action as it gets but there’s still heart put into the logic of the story, world, and events, things you can draw from the film that weren’t even said or drawn attention to
Big dumb action is relaxing but the substance behind it can enhance how much more cool that action is
The Quicksilver element in the X-Men was the best part of those movies due to not only the character but the great CGI effects. They totally missed the mark in this one with the baby's...OMG ! What were they thinking ! Missed opportunity their.
SPOILERS - The fact they bring back Batman and bring Supergirl just to kill them in the end just show they didn't know what to do with these characters, they just want to show them in the trailer, Supergirl was specially sad because she was trapped her entire life just to be release to fight Zod and be killed a few hours later, that was terrible writing that ruined any final victory Barry could have that in the end was release his father, at least they give us something, but yeah this movie feels pointless
Seriously?!!!! This being the last time we see Affleck and Gadot is literally the only silver lining!!
After retooling a fifteen year old project, it is like having any other movie that was sporadically developed only to be scrapped and retooled. There is only so much that can be said for a diluted flashpoint movie. Flashpoint is not family friendly and to dumb it down to meet it with relatable characters in an attempt to put butts in seats. You fail. Great video.
I just came here to say that I loved The Flash in theaters and I plan to buy it on 4K Bluray and I refuse to let anyone gaslight me into thinking it's not super fun
It’s trash
Across the spider verse is a perfect example of “turn your brain off” it has an amazing story and it is a fun and goofy movie that you can just enjoy while it’s being amazing
Across The Spider Verse is actually smart in dealing with its themes of young adulthood and individuality. If you turn your brain off - of course - you miss it. I have never understood the mentality of turn your brain off. Why would anyone 'brag' about something like that? lol.
Nah man, you can't turn your brain off watching Spider-Verse, that movie has too many details in the background, it actually slows down in the various scenes that focuses on Miles personal problems and there's a pretty cool twist at the end where at least you had to pay attention to figure it out
I don't personally believe in the turn your brain off mantra, even in stupid movies like the Michael Bay Transformers movies I had trouble finding something to like about them besides the action because the movies' plot, narrative and continuity contradicts itself various times that makes them hard to enjoy
@@pablocasas5906 i’m not saying you should turn your brain off, but i’m just saying you can turn your brain off, also i liked not noticing that it said (the little easter egg before the ending, if we are talking abt the same thing) cuz it was more of shock, also you don’t NEED to notice all the easter eggs, it’s just fun
Ye except its a animated movie
@@BigFatMonkey9629Calling it a "perfect example" says differently
Something like Fast 9 or Black Adam would've been a better example IMO... the storyline for those movies doesn't require much/any thought and the films focus heavily on action scenes
Even Extraction fits (the first, haven't seen 2 yet)...
I’m still trying to figure out how Zod stabbed Kara? 🤔🤯. Superman can’t be stabbed… weakened state or not. No Kryptonite. Why does he run like he’s on rollerblades? 😣
It's not you, I promise. With all the major DC and Marvel influencers supporting this film before it was released to the public, the hype machine is very suspect. I think this is either a new form of payola, or big sub influencers have been warned they will lose access to DC productions which is owned by the WB. (this studio has a history of blocking or demonetizing content that criticizes their films if they use clips). Either way, I don't trust any channel that supported this film as one of the best of it's genre. This was ill-conceived from conception to post production - just a hot mess. Many influencers are back-tracking now to save face, but they still blame low box office on things like CGI being rushed in production - which was just one of the many flaws. Almost seems like they got the same notes from the studio on how they can criticize this film.
Bro, the only valid point you had was "bad" cgi. Truth is, it really wasn't that bad. In slow motion, things can look distorted and weird. It was intentional. And the cameos, they had their reasons. It fit in that specific scene. Of course, it was weird cgi. It was intentional. The rest was you just hating. Nostalgia and cheap blah blah....how you gonna say for a cheap buck when it was really expensive to make that movie and because marvel fans exist they didn't watch it making it bomb at the box office.
So complete tonal whiplash that betrays the films story just doesn’t count and is just hating? This just screams you being a yes man, dude.
@movieoverload yes, it's a super action movie. It's not for the comic readers but for people who enjoy action movies. Oh, betrays the film story? Really? Are u forgetting this universe had Zod almost destroyed the world. This universe didn't just have flash but a lot of other super heros.
Is that supposed to support your argument or something?
@@movieoverload it argues yours and supports mine.
10:30 _Filmmakers playing with action figures as opposed to making actual films_
This!
I thought it was a fresh story. It was just poorly executed. Having Zod as a villain was ridiculous.
The cameos people actualy want to see?
Nick cage superman was fuckin great !
We wanted to see cameos like Grant Gustins flash
@@D.The1st I don't know who that is but yes the more cameos the better
This kind of movies are a kind a test the customers...as customers we have right to demand quality art...
The movie existed to prove this point, flash is the avatar for the audience, and the lesson is we all have to learn to let go, affleck had already accepted his reality, keaton was fine having served his time and finished his mission. It took barry seeing friends die multiple times trying to help before he realized, sometimes you just gotta accept that you arent in control of everything. Hopefully snyderverse fans learned the same lesson and wont start another petition. Have your nostalgia, but understand change is inevitable, time always brings change.
As someone who enjoyed the snyderverse.....absolutely no one is a fan of the flash movie no one was taking it as some kinda comeback or anything. I understand your point but it's kinda out of touch with snyder fans.
@@jawarafrazer8530 they did reshoots and added cameos of cast n characters you admit to enjoying and it still didn't make you like this movie,.... THAT is my point, and you missed it.
@@kurtshastany1945 I really watched it to see Keaton actually.
@@jawarafrazer8530 I did too.... n his point still stands, the past happened, we gotta stop trying to change the present n reshape the future
How on earth was Supergirl likeable. She had less than 3 lines of dialog, she looked NOTHING like the character and was basically able to manhandle Zod with no training and having been locked under a red son her entire life
It had a lot of plot holes and the cgi was pretty bad. But i chuckled a few times and enjoyed Keaton's Batman. I don't regret watching it.
What are the plotholes?
So much missed potential. as a DC fan, seeing a movie revolving around the flash and batman should be a dream come true, but what we actually got was in every possible way the wrong way of doing it. it really is a shame
that "let's get nuts" line was so cringey and garnered no cheers in my theater hall.
Yeah there was no reaction in mine either. Felt so forced.
Why would anybody make the argument that you should just turn your brain off and watch the movie?? Thats a really dumb argument. Why not just stare for 3 hours at the wall? It comes to the same result
Sorry, but Marvel & Kevin Feige have handled nostalgia with plot VERY well, in Spider-man - No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, etc. You can't even compare them to DC & WB & their OBVIOUS cash grabs.
Multiverse of Madness is nowhere near No Way Home