Why The MCU is Falling Apart | Video Essay
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- The MCU is losing the magic that made it so popular during the Infinity Saga. Phase 4 has been disappointing and shows like She-Hulk are leading the downfall of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. In this video we discuss why the MCU is falling apart, everything from the disappointing Disney+ Shows, to the disappointment on the big screen with films like Doctor Strange in The Multiverse of Madness, Thor Love and Thunder and more! We also touch on what the MCU is doing well including Moon Knight and Spider-Man No Way Home.
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Star Wars Channel - / theozzyjedi
She Hulk - (2022)
Thor: Love & Thunder - (2022)
Doctor Strange: In The Multiverse of Madness - (2022)
Eternals - (2021)
Moon Knight - (2022)
0:00 - Intro
3:51 - Part 1
12:02 - Part 2
17:48 - Part 3
24:16 - Part 4 - Krátké a kreslené filmy
"The MCU feels more like homework than an event"
This line just describes the problem PERFECTLY
Yes. Very true. There's another stream series to watch so you understand the next film. Homework is a very good word to describe these new marvel films.
this isn't the problem. The problem is bad writing. "everything is separate" is what it was before the MCU, and it was OK, but not nearly as fun as the first 3 MCU phases and Agents of SHIELD which was basing most of its events on the movies. And that was the best time ever.
homework that people are paying for like lemmings lmao
The crossovers aren't necessarily the problem. The crossovers elevated the pre infinity war MCU and gave it a satisfying interconnected feel, the problem now is that it feels like they're leaning into nostalgia stoking or just purely to setup things that haven't had pay off. I think there's a bit of rose colored goggles here as well. There was plenty of duds and stinkers back then as well. A ton of "Are these actually MCU?" shows that flooded netflix and hulu for one example. (Daredevil is the one exception, but it's also better than anything in the actual MCU, soooo)
Yea it’s “homework” to know about the source material so then you don’t bitch about everyone not being a rich white dude
Disney forgot the golden rule of entertainment: "Leave the audience wanting more, not begging for mercy." After Avengers:Endgame, they should have taken at least a 5 year break.
You know what, that would actually have been really sick! I love the idea of that… though I don’t think the Disney piggy bank agrees. They have to keep making money so they have to keep making this stuff.
The pandemic got them 2 of those years. 😬
Bro that would have been so amazing!!!!
How about hype sunset?
They got the golden goose, they started exploiting it.
She Hulk: "I get catcalled!" "I have it worse than you!"
She says to the man who was tortured by his father and had to grapple with the government hunting him down as well as the monster living inside him.
Just highlighted the intelligence levels of the writers. I get the message they’re going for but angling it at Bruce to get the point across,like.. really?
lol typical gen z 😂
if you watched She-Hulk, saw Jen explaining to Bruce why her experience as a woman predisposes her to being able to control her transformations, and took this from it, you're seriously lacking media literacy.
Jen: Sorry Bruce, but living as a woman instills a baseline level of emotional management that means I’ll never have to work as hard as you did at controlling my Hulk.
People like you: so she’s saying she’s had it WORSE than him?!??!
No, only a pinhead would think that.
and nowhere in the show does she say she had it worse than Bruce did! Have you even watched it?
@@scotty776 she was making direct comparisons of herself and hulk. And shehulk is a shit shoe. Cope.
The part about dumbing down male characters to make the woman seem better. ARCANE DID THAT SO WELL. They made amazing leads and gender didn’t matter, they were all amazing and shined in their own way. The men weren’t dumbed down and the woman weren’t toxic to them. They made all their characters good and the character development made them better. They weren’t afraid to let the leads lose they showed how it makes them strong and that they can get back up. They didn’t just make a guy in a woman’s body they made a well developed character
I agree arcane did an amazing job of having strong female characters that were properly developed and not forced fed down your throat to parrot an agenda.
Meh, arcane looked good. Other than that it is a product, any thing it could say it refused to so that it could be sold to as many people as possible. Arcane is nice but only in the ways its chinese overlords will allow.
@@greenpinapple820 You must be fun at parties
Arcane was pretty good, the writing was excellent and the characters well fleshed out and relatable. Unlike the current state of the MCU.
Why didnt it make money?
Just remember that Disney is the kind of a company that will sue a Daycare center for painting Disney characters on their walls.
THIS! A million times over.
I love that Honest Trailers refers to Disney as *"The Thanos of Hollywood."* So true!
They threatened to sue somebody for putting spiderman on their dead child's grave. Fucking psychopaths. Stan Lee would be disappointed.
Disney even kicked and spat on the grave of Bobby Driscoll the original voice actor for peter pan in that rescue rangers movie.
Disney actually went to the US Supreme court to over-rule the US constitution to allow them to enforce copy right on their products forever.
The sad thing is, after endgame there where still obvious stories to be told Thor, Hulk and many others had unfinished stories yet they've done absolutely nothing with them, turning Thor into a parody of himself and forgetting Bruce existed
So true sucks really bad
And now it's thor has a daughter and hulk has a son and she hulk dating daredevil like what?
That's something he kinda missed in the "M-She-U" portion. People aren't mad that females exist, they're mad that male characters are actively being sidelined to make room for them.
Loki, Thor, Hawkeye and Dr. Strange are the big ones because they actively bait and switched us. Advertising shows/movies about a beloved character and then the main character is a female that's 10x better than the stupid and incompetent white man.
@@Scroolewse true but you could argue that they made a stupid amount of content for bitching about those decisions wich creates income for lot of channels and they dont care aslong as they got the attention ergo clicks and money
@@Scroolewse "People aren't mad that females exist, they're mad that male characters are actively being sidelined to make room for them."
Here, I'll make the correction for what you said.
SOME people aren't mad that females exist, they're mad that male characters are actively being sidelined to make room for them.
The MCU right now is what I expected superhero movies to be like, before I started watching them
Yesss 😩😂
What's weird to me about phase 4 is that there's so much coming out, but so little seems to be happening. Half the projects don't even have their own significant plots, let alone any form of overaching plot. The entire phase so far has added up to just the suggestion that there might be some multiverse stuff in phase 5 and it might be fun, maybe.
I think the real final nail in the coffin was Thor. Its one thing to introduce a foolish character but to take one people loved and turn him into a literal joke is something else.
As a person who loved Ragnarok, Love and Thunder was awful, dumb, and pointless. Oh my gosh. the 12th guns 'n' roses reference so amaze balls.
I agree with this Ragnarok is my favourite movie ever and love and thunder was so awful I fell asleep
Ragnarok was a touch of genuine. Good writing and good energy. Had a beginning, middle and end. Fitted in with while Avengers Thanos storyline. Was a brilliant film. Love and Thunder was pointless and all over the place.
@@Happin3ess felt like love and thunder was made just to be made with whatever story they came up
@@windmaster9 the writing wasn't good, the characters seemed flat, the cancer storyline was too real and depressing, it overshadowed the main story. To me the story did not have a beginning middle and end. I wasn't that into it. It did drag for me. I really was expecting another Ragnarok.
“Black widow was a disservice to Natasha. I think she deserved a better movie…and it should’ve been made a long, long time ago” PREACH!!!
She is a bit overrated, I'd rather have a new Iron man film than get a new Black Widow film
@@sugar-cube09 he specifically said they should have made it earlier, and I'd say she's perfectly rated if not underrated, I mean how many people do you know that say she's their favorite avenger?
Her Nightmare sequence in AOU was so damn brilliant & personally my favorite! I was young back then and thought “are they hinting towards a dark Black Widow origin movie? I wanted to see her movie ASAP as possible and you can imagine my disappointment
@@sugar-cube09 it was very good movie though lol
The fact that Agent Carter got something before her is nothing but a slap in the face to Natasha. And that show wasn't even memorable or important to the main MCU plot.
After Endgame, I had a good feeling like this would happen. In the comics, I thought it got confusing and went all over the place when they took the MCU into other worlds. In the comics, it’s freaking cool and amazing, but it’s so hard to convey all of that on the big screen. I knew general audiences would get confused and the MCEU is losing me and I’d imagine, most audiences.
Talking about Tony and Steve brought a tear to my eye. We really didn't know how good we had it.
The MCU after endgame is basically just a bunch of side quests/missions after beating the main campaign. The mcu needs to reinvent itself. It needs hero’s that could equal to iron man and cap’s charisma and position in the mcu.
You didn't find SheHulk's twerking with Whatever The Stallion to heroic and self sacrificing and charismatic?! how DARE you, sir!
This!!! Captain America & iron man had years of build up. Phase 4 is 100% post main campaign bs
Na that’s such a good analogy it really does feel like when you complete the main quest in a rpg and now your just finishing off the side missions where there are some gems but a lot are just filler and subpar content
Doctor Strange will be that focal point I feel.
@@daedriangore9906 he’s Nerfed already
The issues with the MCU can be summed up when Jennifer Walters advised Bruce Banner that she has to control her rage infinitely more than he does just because she is a woman, completely dismissing the trauma that Bruce has endured both in the comics, and the MCU. Lost me there.
K.E.V.I.N. That was Feige basically standing on the table, pulling down his pants, and showing everyone his dick. That was the Denzel Training Day “I’m the man up in this bitch! I run shit here, you just live here!” moment. This guy is just an egomaniac with an echo chamber.
And actually insulting women by implying that we're always hormonal.
Because that's that woke bullshit
Why even make it a contest? They should have the hulks bond over stuff that makes them mad.
It's a terrible moment but it definitely doesn't sum anything up
I’m so glad you said Civil War because that truly was the MCU’s crowning achievement. Winter Soldier is up there for me, but nothing had me glued to the screen like Tony when he said “I don’t care, he killed my mom” and the fight between them. I thought Cap might actually kill him. It was brilliant.
Yeah civil war is one of the best mcu movies
imagine thinking the character with the most self-control might kill a character he clearly was only trying to disarm the entire fight.
that said, civil war is great, it just isn't Winter Soldier.
Civil War represented peak MCU...but for me Winter Soldier was and still is the best MCU movie.
I think what I liked most about Shang-Chi was how solid it felt on its own, it didn’t hinge on the overall MCU plot-line, but it succeeded in giving a genuinely good story.
The score, visuals, acting, motivations, characters, it was all perfect and felt natural.
yes it didnt hinge on the overall MCU plot-line but it also expanded the world a lot and provided some explanations to questions i dont think anybody was even asking about iron man 2. plus it had likeable characters with visible flaws and trauma
that's similar to the reason I enjoyed moon knight, there were minimal references to the wider MCU and, honestly, I don't want moon knight anywhere near the MCU, he's just better on his own.
Until the ending where they fight huge cgi dragon lol
@@katfans7124 but you can't deny that the huge CGI dragon looks cool af
@@delusion5867 it was so lame.
I do agree that T'Challa could've been a great candidate for a future leadership going forward in the MCU, but no one could've seen the real life circumstances that struck.
Marvel could have easily recasted the character, but no we need female empowerment and more woke agenda.
@@karandarade4654 is all female lead roles Woke to you?
@@blakebuckley1018 apparently. With what disney is doing I genuinely don’t blame people for seeing that. They’re making every single female lead so bad that it’s now making everything female “woke”. it sucks this is happening.
@@twentysecondcenturywoman yeah guess that’s true but there are some good female leads I did enjoy Kamala Khan
@@blakebuckley1018 wakanda forever is dummy woke wym
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Someone finally said it.. T'Challa was the guy to lead. He was so insanely calm.
And he was unique like Cap and Stark.
Stark had his tech,
Cap was soldier with an spirit that is unrivaled,
And Black Panther was the ruler, who always made the right choice.
he was a good character himself but I hated everything about Wakanda
@@Scroolewse wakanda was so gay hahahhah
@@Scroolewse EXACTLY SO HOW WITHOUT CHADWICK DOES A SEQUEL WORK YKWIM
@@MadMaximo It doesn't work. It's going to flop.
And just a reminder the blue checkmarks are telling non black people we aren't allowed to watch it on opening weekend so we don't take seats from black folx. If you want to be a better ally don't see it at all! Those tickets are for black folx ONLY!
and now RIRI is STRONGER than ironman HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA fuck this movie
I totally agree with the Wanda vision assessment. It was such a cool concept and style and then for the finale they just went full cgi superhero battle which didn't match up at all with the original vibes.
When Shehulk was making that controlling her anger speech, didn't she pretty much lose her anger immediately while preaching? I honestly think this scene would have been good if Bruce subtly hints that to her and she realizes and corrects her mistake after having the realization.
no more feminist movies
@@fernandomaximotorres a show or movie having a woman as the lead does not automatically make it a feminism movie
@@jupitersnoot4915 it does in the msheu currently movies can hav female lead and be gud lik aliens or every prey recently but writers can't write without puttin toxic feminism just make women even worse and hated
@@sarov7658 you’re cringe when you call a movie series that msot characters are men a MsheU simply cause of some bad female characters and some bad male characters
@@Taz.K They literally show a clip of Shehulk preaching feminism and you are asking why do people consider it a feminist movie.
I feel like Thor could've been the next leader of the MCU. He endured so much tragedy and sadness, they could've made his entire story in Phases 1-3 one big origin story for the most selfless, empathetic, unwavering, powerful leader the franchise has ever seen. Because he lost everything. He literally blames himself for the snap. Kind of like how Wolverine became the leader of the X-Men due to his personal tragedies making him a legendary leader. A story like that with Thor would be something that has NEVER been done before in such a well developed way. Literally a Shakespeare-level journey.
He would've had the tragedy, charisma, amazing story, unwavering moral compass, and power to be a suitable successor to Cap and Tony, if they kept developing him correctly. Marvel's new "anchor" character. Thor blames himself for the snap, which caused Endgame, and then Tony and Cap die because of something he thinks he caused... if that isn't a PERFECT tragedy/catalyst for Thor stepping up to the mantle then I don't know what is.
But no. It just seems like Marvel is making the worst possible decisions they could make right now. And even if they were unsure if Hemsworth would sign on again in 2026 - that's still ok. If he became the leader for years and then they killed him, it would've been one of the most legendary deaths to grace the screen and would've been a catalyst event for the growth of other heroes and the next leader. That is how good epics work.
But cis white male bad duh
Nahh they rather choose to make fun abt thors life rather then making him a good character
Spider-Man is the new leader
I thought Tom Holland's Spider-Man was going to be pushed for the next 5-10 years.
Yeah, I watched Love & Thunder and felt that the character had REGRESSED after spending ten years of watching him grow. Then I found out plenty of other people had the same thought.
I hadn't thought about how much the MCU is missing Tony and Cap but that is a great point. The dynamic between those two really carried a lot of the MCU
It does miss them, but had they not made Thor a joke, had the guardians had a good film come out, had they done something actually good with OG's like Rhodey and hawkeye, had they not ruined Wanda, had Loki been actually good, then we wouldn't be missing them as much.
I wonder if this dynamic was supposed to be filled in with black panther and another major char like Read Richards or something.
I disagree, even if they were still there they would've fucked it up still.
@@Adontheimperfectionist L take🤡🤡🤡
@@young7670 Ima clown? lmfao they would've went this direction regardless, wouldn't have mattered... the whole MCU is going in this direction, 2 characters wouldn't save anything. I want them back just as much as everybody else if not more but Marvel is going down the worst path they could possibly go.
I have to wonder if the issue goes deeper. Everything under Disney is in disarray, from Star Wars to Disney proper -- and, while I don't know the inner workings of the corporation, I can't help but notice the through line. That through line being Disney itself. There must be something going on inside the executive offices that explains why everything has gone to hell.
Yeah the first issue was the bob chapek had become CEO of Disney, he probably made it so that alot of content went to Disney+, and it didn't help Kevin fiege lost the amount of control he had before endgame, as there was rumours after Bob iger came back recently that Kevin fiege was being forced to do some things he didn't want to, which didn't help, as some of the writers got too much control and made the shitty stuff how they wanted it, like for she hulk and thor, I'm pretty sure they got full creative control, hence making it as terrible as they did, which didn't happen in phase 1-3, but now there's some hope that the MCU could possibly get back on track, with the new projects looking of the previously quality that had the fans love it for why they did.
No kidding not to mention remakes. There hasn't been a single new Disney product I've liked/trusted. I half the time now hear "Disney?" And think "bad film." Like I know my little consumer voice doesn't matter, they're still making profit, but like as a brand they're feeling less...quality.
GET WOKE GO BROKE. This mantra has to be mentioned and should be if you use clips from She Hulk. The most ridiculous show that not only shoved it in our faces, but planned the backlash ahead of time. Also, THOR was a complete joke. What would happen if female Thor was bound & stripped naked in front of a crowd? A clear case of double standards that either never crossed their minds OR they did not give a damn.
Interesting this is happening I remember when I use to work in the cinema shortly after civil war and a co work said to me “I want to know how long it would be before people start getting fed up of super hero movies”
I definitely agree with the quantity > quality problem. As a more casual fan, it was easy to keep up with the entire cast for Endgame. Then all of a sudden, there was a huge influx of new characters and stories. I felt like we got no time with any of them so they become kind of forgettable and overshadowed by w.e the next marvel character show/movie is
That’s what quantity of quality means. They focus on putting too many movies out the writing was mid at best
@Calovary II Yes, I was agreeing lol.
I was pretty disappointed with end game and now I just can't be bothered to watch any of them. I never really watched much MCU and that will remain imo
Now i just watch recap of MCU film 🤣
Dumb new characters at that, who just don’t move needle. Some hero’s don’t translate to big screen, and that’s ok. She-Hulk, Kamala and Cassie are examples. We don’t want them. Kamala comics don’t even do that great. Also, these characters mentioned, aren’t good actors in these roles. Cassie acting was terrible in Antman 3. Kamala is a goofy unserious character. Kate Bishop was fine. Iron Heart is another. We don’t want it.
You hit it right on the head with “the MCU feels more like homework than an event”. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard of a new show coming out and I sigh and shake my head and I go “but I haven’t even started that other show yet” and I don’t even feel motivated to watch them, I just don’t want to “miss out” in case it ties in somewhere else to the MCU.
bang on
Yall mofo dramatic lmao. It aint that deep.
literally what i was thinking. cant be bothered keeping up with half-baked shows. wished they took their time on their shows. :/
Well said. I feel like "I have to watch" rather than "I want to watch"
Too many people treat the MCU like Pokemon. You don't gotta catch 'em all. MY husband of 30+ years has been a comic collector since before I met him. Like most comic readers, he's a specialist on his favorites, and he knows less about -dumber- uh, _less beloved_ titles like The Eternals. We could never afford to possibly buy him ALL the comics and ALL the side quests, and that's how his subscriptions are planned. He subs to just the ones he follows, and he says most of the crossovers are still fun.
What I really wanna know is WHEN we're gonna (if ever) gonna get even just a little *ELFQUEST* on the big screen.
I personally believe that Dr strange was to replace tony and BP to replace cap(strange as the smart arrogant guy and BP as the heart) but with Chadwick’s passing (rip) they had to completely change the plans. Idk if they said anything like that before I don’t watch interviews but it’s what it feels like it was supposed to be. Even with cap giving Sam the shield and all
What the MCU needs to do is not go bigger and wider, but deeper. It needs to flesh out characters to the point Where you actually care about them. That way your reason for watching isn't, "How on earth are they going to stop this threat" insead it's because you care so much about the characters that you wonder "what are they going to do next".
I think part of its fatigue, there's no catharsis to be had in a story if it just keeps going forever. Endgame was such a finality to a decades worth of films and it did it marvelously. Now all that's left is a bunch of left-overs of much less interesting characters and less interesting stories. It's like enticing people with a bag of chips after they just finished full course, gourmet meal.
100% agree
So they should wait till were hungy?
@@soulless2169 Actually not a bad idea, MCU is suffering from bloat and overexposure right now. It would better to slow down production and only release a handful on shows/films for a year or two and THEN try to make a big comeback with a fresh slate. It a better option than stringing people along with crap-ton of mediocre tv shows.
50 percent fatigue, 50 percent lower quality content being put out.
Don’t think superhero fatigue is the problem; there are millions and millions of comic book fans who love these franchises and will support it no matter what. The fatigue is coming from poor writing and stagnation, the MCU isn’t trying anything new enough to justify any further following. Eternals tried to be different but failed, and that hurt because I honestly liked the Eternals and appreciated how they changed the MCU’s landscape. What the MCU needs is to bring in well written characters to take the place of Iron Man and Captain America; they need new leaders because right now there aren’t any. Doctor Strange got sidelined in his own movie, Thor is a joke, and Spider-Man just isn’t cut out to be the leader. Also, the MCU needs to drop the leftist politics, this is a big reason why many people aren’t supporting these projects anymore, especially the comic book fans who actually care the most about these projects and will pay the most money toward supporting them.
With the MCU going the way it is, I sure hope WB and DC take advantage of this and finally put out consistent good content
Unless they go with the Snyder verse I don’t see it going well. He set up Darkseid and The rock had to actually convince WB to keep Cavil as Superman.
dc animated shows >>>
@@versecontro4898 would the aquaman, suicide squad, and wonder woman films fit with the Snyder verse?
@@tomlom69 honestly I tried watching aqua man and both Wonder Woman movies and fell asleep so I couldn’t tell you. I guess suicide squad could if you write it well enough.
after hearing the news that they put James Gunn as CEO of DCEU. Hopefully, they will become better.
I am extremely pleased to find a video critical of the MCU without needing to focus on the political angles. When people involve their political feelings in their critiques, it makes it harder to accept their arguments as truthful and without an agenda. I love your approach in this!
If they're going to make an X-Factor project, they should also branch them out on their own separate universe, I think it would work better that way for the character's purposes
Losing Cap and Tony was a good thing, story wise. The problem is how they followed it. Instead of taking time to actually plan the phases, they rushed in an attempt to try and keep the momentum going. Resulting in serious continuity errors and a general lack of cohesion between the stories they're telling.
Momentum is a key word. They should have kept the continuity but they should've built momentum from the ground up to a peak as in the infinity war. And get some good writers, the dialogues feel waaaaay too dumbed down.
They rushed it cause of Disney plus
They should have ended it.
Would it too much of a cliche to say how already having mutants and the X-men or at least the Fantastic 4, ready to go was the missed opportunity ?
I keep hearing different arguments. Sometimes it's that it's rushed, sometimes that it's not picking up quick enough.
It can't be both can it?
the reason the avengers was so amazing when it first came out was bc the entire cast had clashing personalities. the mcu is starting to make every single character have pretty much the exact same personality so it’s just boring at this point. the entire point of the avengers is to being completely different characters that have to get over differences and work together. not just people making dumb jokes and twerking together.
Agreed. They just don't have the personalities anymore, at least not with the way they've been writing.
its formulaic, like every movie is premade with the same quips, bad jokes and generic CGI noise. It feels phoned in.
how is "every single character" having "the exact same personality"? I see a lot of different individuals from different backgrounds reacting in different ways to different situations. Many of the plot points are pretty formulaic but hey that's expected and has always been the case.
Please give examples? I don't see this "exact same" thing at all
@@JamesFaction every single character is comic relief. Hell the most serious character we've had recently was shang chi and I constantly forget that's even a marvel movie because of it.
Totally. They even totally changed Dr. Strange’s personality. He used to be dead serious and highly competent, now he’s a fumbling goofball.
I really don’t feel like Downey and Evan’s loss were treat with the severity that they should have been. Both characters, but even more so their actors were equally significant parts of the nucleus holding the IP together in the public perception.
The sentimental real estate that those two actors held has to be redeveloped with new characters. And with actors of a particular calibre that can decisively win the hearts of the audience. I don’t think we’ve seen a clear and calculated effort to fill that void yet.
Until then, I think these projects will just haphazardly orbit an established core of characters that while strong, are still very obviously lacking the strength to serve as nexus for an increasingly exhausting and convoluted cast of characters.
IMO, preferred it when I had to wait 6 months to a year for the whole story arc to progress. The storylines felt more thought-out and meaningful. With only Agents of SHIELD to fill the void at times, that show also managed to stand on its own.
The big thing is that you're right; they can't make another high-stakes event like Endgame, so Marvel needed to lean heavily in the opposite direction- Focus on events that are deeply personal to a character, and risk destroying "their world" instead of "the world" -Which also doubles as a great way to know characters and what drives them, especially new ones for a new generation
(SPOILERS FOR BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER, DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!)
I think they pulled that deeply personal direction off well, with Shuri reacting to not only her brother's death, but her mother's later on in the movie. Namor (Or K'ulk'ulkan) also provides a great foil to Shuri, who wants to avenge her mother's death.
Then when we love this new gen we can look at an end game like event again
Like they can do it again but they're gonna need to be patient enough for us to fall in love with these new character and give us reasons to ofc
Too bad they didn't do that very well
People think that the stakes are important, they arent.
They can make a movie with a villain that can destroy a city, or maybe they want to kill 1 person in particula, but its not about what they can/want to do, its about how they get there, how the story is writen.
A qoute from a guy who was reviewing the writing of Arcane said a thing I really liked "Dont write a strong female character, write a strong character that is female" I really liked that as it is really that big diffrence from a strong female hollywood character and an actually good writen character
This basically sums up why audiences responded so well to Wonder Woman, cinematic flaws and all, but were more split on Captain Marvel. But God forbid you have that relatively common opinion or you'll get labeled every ____ist word under the sun by a small, yet extraordinarily vocal and extremist subset of people.
Is this Fiona from shrek 🤔
Rhea Seehorn in Better Call Saul is an excellent representation of a strong female lead.
A difference that you can’t discern to save your life.
As you’ve evidenced here.
@@HeelBJC It quite literally doesn’t though, because both Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel were written the same.
Also, you won’t get labeled as said ist words if you simply don’t act those ists.
This is actually what is keeping me from getting into the MCU. I want to because some characters I'm really interested in, but it is just so much and you have to see and follow everything to get the overarching story. And I like overarching stories in my media. I gladly read 20+ books in a series for the overarching story. But the sheer volume of content in the MCU, quite a bit of it concerning characters I don't care about, makes it hard to get into.
you only have to concern yourself with the first 20 movies and if needed just read the wikipedia synopsis for a movie you aren't in to.
There’s so many movies and TV shoes in the MCU now it’s crazy. I haven’t even seen some of the shows like Hawkeye, Ms Marvel, She Hulk and Moon Knight. There’s no way that the general audience can properly follow along in the new movies and know everything.
I think the main problem is everything is a setup and cannot be completely enjoyed by itself. Everything is made for the service of something else and therefore isn't the focus, which leads to sloppy productions that depend on a future or previous project.
+1
Lots of Marvel fans I argue with tell me to wait for the next big thing, they are always saying stuff like "Oh just wait for the Ant Man film you will get to see Kang , or wait for the next Avengers films" like bruh wtf what am I supposed to do till then? Watch these mediocre shows? lmao
YES!!!
@@jaypaul15 you shouldn't have to see these crappy shows while waiting for the next movie, the movies should be enjoyable without the shows
each movie should be enjoyable by itself without having to watch the other movies
I think that's what people expect and they end up disappointing themselves by trying to look ahead,
Caught myself by surprise when a friend asked me if I was going to watch She-Hulk and I just went "Man, I'm tired". I genuinely am. I know people heaping hate on it because some think its gone too woke, but for me that sense of specialness(??) has worn off. Instead of one or two movie events per year, now its just a flood across all these platforms. Wayyy back in the beginning, when you had something like Daredevil, you didn't have to watch those to be able to follow the movies. I liked the idea of keeping the movie verse separate from the TV verse as they're on different scales but compelling in their own rights. Now they've pretty much made the TV series mandatory, using them to build up the characters who will appear already established in later movies, so now I HAVE to watch all those shows to enjoy the MCU? Nah, fam. It was a helluva fun 11 year run, but I'm taking a break.
Yeah like seriously what do I look like having to watch video essays to watch a movie
It’s a ploy to get Disney plus subscriptions
OR, just hear me out, maybe only watch the ones that catch your eye? I mean, *have you ever MET a comic book collector???* I don't know any collector that can afford to collect every issue of every title ever published. My husband is a life-long collector of certain titles, but he's not pressured to read EVERY issue the way movie fans seem to feel pressured to view EVERY new MCU production.
Nobody with a life can possibly catch all these movies, series, AND the comic books! Most comic book fans are specialists in the specific titles they read and pay attention to. *Nobody expects you to be an expert on all things MCU.* In the end, I think they're just trying to make a little of something for everyone.
The Mouse bought this HUGE list of titles. Don't tell me you wouldn't try to make some bank on each one if you were a Disney exec.
@@papuanewguinea7596 Have you ever been inside a comic book store? There are more titles than anyone in their right mind would attempt to claim to have read them all. In a *MULTIVERSE* there are infinite things happening all at once. Unlike Pokemon, no comic book collector can or will catch 'em all. The point is to offer MANY titles that attract MANY different kinds of readers...
There are kid comics, adult comics, girl comics, boy comics, boy band comics, and so on... It's a smorgasbord meant to offer something to appeal to just about every possible taste.
LOL, in any business, the point is to PROFIT.
There's NO SUCH THING as the Disney executive who voted to buy all these MCU titles, and now wants to NOT use them. The bought these titles to USE them. Your use of the word "ploy" is goofy. Exchange it for "strategy," as in a "business strategy."
As a long time comic fan, I can recall spending hours of fun talking with fellow comic collectors about how we'd cast each of our favorite characters if our fav comics ever got made into Hollywood movies, and THIS has all been a dream come true except for a few people who can't understand what it means to NOT WATCH EVERY MOVIE EVER MADE UNDER THE MCU BANNER.
@@Sarappreciates Hell, even comics need to "reset" their universes every 10 to 15 years because all these storyline become too convoluted and need to be stripped back down to new(er) origins. And even then, these are screen adaptations, not comics. You can read a comic book in a matter of minutes, whereas movies and especially TV series take at least a couple of uninterrupted hours.
Funny thing is you're saying exactly what I'm saying: I don't need to watch these, so I won't.
The problem is that Marvel WANTS a steady viewership across all shows and movies, and are making them more and more intertwined to make viewers feel compelled to watch if they want the whole picture, but this strategy just might backfire if viewers go "Well, okay, I guess I don't have to watch all of them". For these adaptations to get sequels and spin-offs there has to be sufficient audience interest (and cash, because that's all the studio cares about) and if you start splintering the viewership that has made the MCU the media giant it is today then you also hurt newer titles coming out like Ms Marvel because the viewers will just prioritize the ones that catch their eyes. Instead of relegating what appears to be a future big name in the franchise to streaming, why not start off phase 4 by giving Ms Marvel her own (origin) movie? Streaming is big (albeit already starting to show the cracks) but it still feels like spreading Marvel properties thin when what made the MCU so popular was that it was a cinematic experience.
I fully believe the sudden death of Chadwick Boseman threw everyone at Marvel off and made hastily restructure the next Saga
It's crazy how Loki is more consequential to the main storyline than any of the movies
Imagine if the MCU just ended with Thanos watching “the sun rise over a grateful universe”
I hoped it would when I saw it in cinema.
@@nine-toedsloth7168 I’m sure it did in another universe
When I first saw Infinity War in theater, I didn't jnow there was a followup planned
So at the end of the movie I was surprised and quite impressed that Marvel had such a ballsy dramatic ending.
Then the friend I went with laughed and told me "nah man, there's the second part coming in 6 months"
One of the most pathetic things about the MCU is when a character dies - you are 80% sure they will come back. If it's not time travel there will be some multiverse explanation for a reset. It removes all meaning from the series.
@@robertwilson3866 just like the comics…..
I remember RDJ saying that there is no MCU without him,at first i took it as a joke but now i understand that he wasn't joking and that he was right.
The joke is that he wasn’t even going to be in the MCU. And if he hadn’t been how many of the people bitching in these comments wouldn’t have even watched the movies in the first place.
I really think there’s not enough cis hetero white men in movies today! 🤮
I've been saying this since the Disney+ shows started. They should've made them films and released them as exclusive movies to the platform.
The MCU is a film franchise, and the shows break that formula and add way too much watch time to its overall run. And yes, that is a problem. People only have so much time in their day to day lives to fit in 20+ hours of additional MCU content. But also, as you stated, it just feels like I'm watching a 2 hour film over 6 hours.
We need to also have a honest conversation about how the cgi have declined.
its largely because the projects are being rushed so the cgi doesn’t have enough time to be polished
I worry about the lack of character interaction, leading up to the end of the infinity saga, all the characters had natural interactions with one another, they teamed up, fought together, eventually got into disagreement and led to the downfall of the avengers and their defeat in Infinity War. With Kang Dynasty, I feel like these characters will just be forced into a team without any actual development in relationships between the characters working together beforehand.
Yes! There was a precedent for them to fight together. It made sense and we could be excited about it but with phase 4 it’s hard to see them interacting. The end of Shang-Chi promised cross over but nothing seems to be happening with it.
They are rushing secret wars and it’s all gonna fall apart.
You’ve gotta be introduced to the characters before they’re in a film again lol
Now that you talk about it yeah, idk how they'll naturally build a team dynamic if everyone is immediately just thrown in the mix in Kang Dynasty
@@polskillz yeah exactly, it’s nicer that we’ll know and understand the characters before they’re a full on team, which is what happened to iron man, hulk and captain America :)
"You either die a Hero or live long enough to become the villain" really suits the current MCU
Completely agree. It's why I am terrified that they are going to bring back daredevil. The way they make their other shows. I think I will pass.
@@bobhotpocket1875 i swear if they are gonna make DD a joke am gonna stop watching MCU.m
@@bobhotpocket1875 I think they'll get DD right. Feige has still done so much right over the course of the MCU. They're doing a lot which means some of the content is going to be mediocre, but we've still gotten some great content between NWH, Loki and WandaVision, and I think Kang as a villain is super promising still.
@@thatstheway2429 I hope they do but the MCU has just been horrible. Hawkeye was laughably bad. Wandavision was boring AF imo. She hulk is just.........no. falcon and the winter soldier wasn't bad but they nerfed the hell out of the winter soldier and that was the main reason why I wanted to watch the show. Didn't really care about falcon.
@@thatstheway2429 fuck no, they're gonna *RUIN* him.
I would love to see them do an X-men series the way they started the Avengers, with each character or group getting their own movie before teaming up together for a bigger showdown.
I think No Way Home had more value than just it’s nostalgia. It actually manage to make a well written story that involved the other spideys. To me, even though obviously the studio’s main reason for the movie is as to bring back Toby and Andrew, with the way the story was written, they didn’t feel crammed in for no reason. They contributed to and blended well into the story. I think No Way Home is the prime example of how to do nostalgia-bait correctly. Doctor Strange 2 was not.
Love and Thunder felt so... *weird* cuz to this day i still can't wrap my head around why it was so bad. Taika Waititi is capable of telling good stories with good comedy and good dramatic moments that the film doesn't even feel like HIS. Especially when right after finishing Thor he went on to direct a show that's actually funny and has representation that people enjoy. I just don't understand that film at all
He has apparently been said to not care about the superhero genre, so I wouldn’t be surprised if some reason like that affected his care
And Christian bale gave such a phenomenal performance of such a good villain
I think the Thor movie had to be remade half way through it’s creation, remember the whole thing about Thor kissing star lord I feel like it was going to be a very gay movie but because of the outrage from the first trailer it got rewritten and sections refilmed with a lot of rushing to meet the same time line, the final fight just doesn’t make sense to give kids the power and fight for him basically, lots of scenes feel unfinished and the writing just doesn’t seem to line up
The writing is just so bad, they don't believe the audience can read between the lines- they explained all the emotions in way that removed any emotional weight because they don't respect the audience :/
I think they made the graphic design for the movie before they wrote the script. "Wouldn't it be cool if we made Thor 80's glam rock?" Then they mocked it all up, the execs loved it and then tried to fart out a script.
This inevitably happens to any franchise that goes on for too long, there's no way around it. After a certain point there's no way to top what was done before without making things ridiculous.
Also, I feel that watching the mcu is just too much work now. If I need to have watched 30 hours of movies/tv shows in order to understand everything in a movie, I'm just not gonna bother.
how ever . why not treat super hero movies as super hero movies. for me it doesnt matter that "it went for too long" just go make a movie where you pick lead hero and few other heroes, throw in some bad guy or few bad guys. make epick show of insane power levels and super cool fight scene and thats it you got your self perfect superhero movie. Stop trying to make super heros into romantic movies.
Yep it’s too much and an overload of info and stimulation. Super hero movies were awesome in the early 2000’s before they over did it.
No, this isn't what happens to every franchise that goes on for too long. The idea that "The MCU is popular, so we don't need to put any effort into it" is what makes it bad. If effort was put into the shows they could still be good. Star Wars or Superhero film fatigue isn't real, the content just started to suck.
I never felt that I needed to watch anything else. They make everything ready for consumption even for those who were never caught up. That's actually part of why its not so fulfilling to keep of everything they release.
Honestly 30 hours of a show just to catch up isn't the biggest problem
It's 30 hours of a show where you have to go onto wikipedia to see when you should watch them all. It's not like a 900 episode series where you can just sit down and start watching, it's a meandering maze of bullshit. Nobody ever gets this right, hell even the streaming services struggle to handle the way shows are made these days. Obviously making the next game of thrones episodes into a different show makes sense on the surface, but deep down it will only generate the same issues over time, you could literally skip a season of a show because it lists them weird.
It takes a lot of effort to catch up with the MCU, at least if I want to catch up on Disenchantment I can just hit the play button and let it run till I'm up to date.
I think one of the special things about The Avengers was that we got so much time with each of them and that helped us to establish a connection with the characters. It was a very slow burn and it all felt like it was leading up to something. We didn’t really get new franchises like Guardians of the Galaxy and Dr.Strange until we established our connections with the other characters.
Also, The Avengers was novel when it came out. It was one of the first times people had seen a cinematic crossover on such a huge scale.
Now that the novelty of that is wearing off, it’s starting to expose all of Marvel’s current flaws even more. They’re introducing new characters and franchises *way* too quickly, they’re not taking time to really let us sit with these characters. And they’re also relying far too heavily on the quippy fourth-wall breaking comedy. It’s getting stale. I don’t go to watch comic book heroes on screen for the content to basically shame me and talk down to me for consuming it, I go to it to suspend my disbelief and exist in a fantastical reality. Marvel got “cool” and immediately lost sight of who their content was originally for: nerds. They can’t get away with leaning on tropes and putting out cheap unfunny garbage.
The first three phases we're leading up to Thanos & the infinity stones. The next two phases are supposed to lead up to Kaang. Disney is trying to do too many things at once (explore the multiverse without leaving Earth 616, introduce new characters that won't appear on the big screen until Avengers 5, and exploring space while also staying on Earth. Their mistake is not focusing on the multiverse which is what they should be doing. The shows need to connect to the movies and help expand the MCU as a whole instead of expanding characters and their arcs.
Couldn't agree more.
As a Marvel fan that watched all the movies of the Infinity saga and now just completely apathetic to the whole thing. I couldn't put out in words what so bothers me about this new phase. You described it correctly and still did it without the somtimes mean spirit of other MCU critics.
Can't really blame critics for being "mean spirited" when the MCU itself does the same thing to it's own audience.
Case in point: she-hulk.
The fact that fans were so confused with who originally broke the multiverse says a lot.
yep Loki, Spodermahn, Dr Weird, Wonda who knows
@@HavokRm I like to view it as a convergance. All of them working in tandem to fuck shit up. Head canon makes more sense anyway.
multiverse storylines are ridiculous.. stargate is the best example of this.. they basically say that only 1% or something of the universes managed to win, etc.
but if you think about it, you can just go "oooh this 1 in a billion chance, well this is the 1 universe in a billion where it works!" totally destroys any stakes, they can just do whatever they want and claim it's that universe where that happened. ridiculous.
like lets say everyone dies! oh well, it's only this universe, there's an infinite number of other ones. pick one.
absolutally destroys any meaning any of it could have.
i mean why are Tony and them even dead? why are we even bothering to look at the universe where thanos was born? it's ridiculous; then they're trying to claim, oooh this is the main main universe, over-arching the multiverse. what a cop out. why not just not have a multiverse? why not have a multiverse, above this one, where.. oh it's so ridiculous.
It was stan lee’s cameo
i mean you can piece it together it was sylvie
2021’S batch of phase 4 was good, it felt like a few steps back, to where it was smaller scale setting things back up to re ramp up the large scale, but it’s gone on two years now. Hopefully the next phase begins to connect and this phase was just a “we want to have fun” phase
I was never really a fan of the MCU, but would occasionally watch for the visuals.
Now I am actually terrified of this Universe and glad I stayed away.
Recently Only watch Shang-Chi and like it, you said it was one of the better ones .... in a way I get I was lucky on my choice.
I'm a woman and when you mentioned that all the male heros have been dumbed down for the sake to empower women heros, I actually agree with you. I think what makes women so unique is that they have there own quirk and can be very strong willed even when males are around. SO now that you mention marvels dumbing the males for the sake of diversity, it makes me sad to see it go that way becuz I personally enjoy male heros as I equally enjoy the female heros when they are equally smart, cool and fun.
woman cook and raise
man fight and die
done
I’m sad to see your inner misogyny coming above
@@pladapus8968 sexist moment
@@miguelcisneros1825 you look like a worm is crawling out of your urethra in that selfie
@@miguelcisneros1825 If a man wrote this, is it still "inner misogyny" or just "misogyny"? Is there "outer misogyny" as well?
Ironically I think the infinity saga worked so well because they basically had to patch together a cinematic universe level story from several individual films that had basically no connection except for cameos and then make it into a series of like 20+ interconnected films. The infinity saga was likely a lightning in a bottle situation
Correct and done the best way.. With one series like Marvel's Agents of Shield pulling things together in the results of the movies..And it was on TV everyone could watch not streaming on pay for views...ABC a ownership of Disney also.. But problems that the movies wanted nothing to do with the series...And the series just followed the movies of what happened around the movies.
@@nativemrv19722 agents of shield was terrible
@@loganpraz2566 Your opinion ...I loved it...
@@loganpraz2566 I always found that the marvel TV shows would normally start off good then decay into low budget public television dribble
@@jimboslice1383 Thors Lady J and Nick Fury all showed up on the show...Marvel needs shows everyone can see...Not everybody see those streaming shows..I know you must pay to see them ..
That homework comment sums it up pretty well. I remember the moment I stopped caring about the franchise. I was in the theaters with my girlfriend to see the Sonic 2 movie, and there was an ad that gave a list of everything you need to watch to be caught up for Multiverse of Madness. It was like 2 TV shows and 3 movies. That's ridiculous
Seeing as this video is 8 months old I wonder if the current writing strike had any part in the current state of “entertainment”. From what I understand about the situation as consumerism changed from satellite to streaming, businesses changed their model to maximize profits and forgot to include writers and actors as seen with ScarJo. It seems the entertainment industry failed to adapt to the younger generations and the idea of streaming and were so caught up with lining their pockets they forgot to pay the toll to the people who actually give them a product to sell in the first place.
My favourite thing about the scene where She-hulk talks about mansplaining is the fact that in that same moment she is explaning Bruce's area of expertise (anger managment) to him in a condencending way
Yep! Always complains about mansplaining, but then tells the guy what they're doing wrong or how to do it.
The creation of the word "mansplaining" in and of itself shows the fundamental madness that has afflicted much of the Western world. But, no worries, the Chinese will pick up the torch after the self-destruction of the West.
@@num1Jaysta ok incel, cope harder
Bruce’s area of expertise isn’t anger management. His area of expertise is more “managing a mental illness (either Borderline Personality Disorder or Dissociative Identity Disorder, with the comics version being DID and the mcu version implied to be more like BPD) that interacts with his superpowers to result in a rampaging hulk and a meek Bruce banner”. He had a sample of one, assumed his shit generalized, and refused to reassess whether his approach was truly necessary even after she demonstrated a level of control it took him 15 years to develop inside of a week.
And, frankly, given his intelligence and his experience with superpowered individuals, his continual insistence that she needed intensive treatment came off as mansplaining. I don’t think his driver was so much sexism as it was shame at realizing that his manifestation of Hulk powers was about his own defects and not his accident. But I do think if his cousin had been a man and otherwise presented identically, a realistic depiction would show him taking the man’s word for it much more quickly.
Shit, he didn’t even consider the possibility that her being a woman alone could alter her response to the gamma stuff. There are like decades of flawed assumptions continually made by smart people based on studies of men wrapped up in that. Bruce wasn’t being portrayed as a bad guy there, or acting out of character. He was just acting like men act when it comes to women challenging their authority or expertise. And he recognized, eventually, that he was in the wrong. Because he was way in the wrong.
@@dROUDebateMeCowards I mean yeah... sure. She's totally in control, especially when she almost hulks out and murders some dudes who dared say something to her. So much control.
The fatigue is probably the biggest part of the MCU's downfall as of late. There is simply just TOO MUCH stuff going on. I also never noticed the Tony & Steve part until you mentioned it, and you are completely right, there is no face of the MCU right now.
It feels like they are just throwing faces at a wall hoping one sticks. Problem is the wall is behind them and they just throw shit back
Fatigue lol yea okay. Thats a made up term with regards to this context.
Totally understand those feelings, but i can only think back to things like the first two thor movies and remember that, even the first phase came with problems and backlash. in the end we will see if it catches itself again.
I just miss the days where you could watch like 2-3 movies in a “phase” and kinda know what’s going on 😅 definitely can’t get away with that now
This whole phase has felt like a giant “What If” series.
Worse than that what if was actually good cause it was what the entireity of phase 4 should be
@@ethannorton564 haha that’s true actually. What if was much better. It hasn’t been all bad though. Spiderman, Shang-Chi, Loki, Dr. Strange, and the Werewolf by Night were all okay imo. I have high hopes for Black Panther.
@@bigheadrhino agree with all but Dr strange but yeah we're on the same page fingers crossed for wakanda forever
@@ethannorton564 haha yeah I almost wrote a cabeat for Strange. I personally liked the campy horror theme but I can see how it’s not for everyone.
She Hulk is a huge step back in CGI realism
Her clothes are like pixar animated movie clothes. just pure 3D.
Yes. Shrek hulk is a tragedy
Its a show made for women, obviously. Why are you watching it?
it's a show. not a movie
@@powers_media they never said it was a movie?
Something that I just hate about the MCU is the fact you sometimes can't understand the movies without watching the miniseries.
Welcome, I've been here since half way through phase 2. The title of the channel actually reflect how I've felt about the MCU since quite some time: an overload of movie, way too much and way too long for some.
YES MAKE DAREDEVIL RATED R !! They did characterize him very well in She hulk (shockingly) but they neeeedd to keep the tone of the Netflix show. It was phenomenal for a reason.
I think everything, except the kids series (and kids favorites like Spiderman) should be R rated. Teenagers will watch them anyway, like I watched Terminator as a child without anyone telling me it was for adults. I don't get those ratings honestly, they are mostly invented by purist mothers who are very sex negative and think that implied sex, like a couple going to bed together, the next scene they are waking up, should be R-rated, when in reality kids who are too young to see that, don't even understand there was anything sexual and kids who are old enough, well, they watch it anyway or have sex themselves. I've even heard that someone wanted to make Jojo Rabbit R-rated, not because of Nazis and war, but because a boy kisses a girl, even though it is a very typical kiss in kids movies, nothing with tongue. Essentially, almost any R-rated movie is suitable for kids over 10 in my mind, some even for younger kids. I think it is a weird American thing to give anything that has romance plot a R rating and avoid sexual topics when it isn't even necessary, because too young kids won't understand anyway or if they do, they see it as a boring and adult thing. Obviously I don't mean movies like Beach Bum that has very vulgar sex scenes, but most movies are neutered already, even if they are R rated.
@@analogueapples Barely read any of this but this’ll never happen
I completely agree with your assessments here. I feel like I'm so behind because there are so many TV series where many of them end up being absolutely bad. But if you don't watch every TV show, you'll miss important context. I don't want and shouldn't have to watch terrible shows to understand some context behind any movies.
you had to do that in phases 1-3 as well doctor strange was mid but you needed to watch it to understand a lot of context about infinity war or incredible hulk and avengers
That's exactly how my dad feels about MCU. Why should anyone have to sit through a ten-hour mediocre (or worse) show for a two-to-three-hour movie that turns out to be just as bad? It feels better to cut and run.
@@tenzinplays2k138 I’m not sure about that. I’ve never watched incredible hulk and I barely remember Doctor Strange. Avengers is pretty important though.
"important concext" my guy its time for u to adress some priorities in ur life lol. dont be a geek.
@@alpha-cf2oi Says the one who has low effort grammar. 🥱
if they had connected it all with kang and the multiverse wouldve made this phase more interesting and also couldve set up more for the next couple of phases
The reason they introduced the multiverse, is to not have any atachments to any actor or character moving foward. And not have to conect anything anymore. They want to be able to have paul rud as antman in one movie, and thor in the other... they want to be able to make don cheadle be war machine in one movie, and hulk in the other.
They just wanted to make a machine that can pump out content without any ties.
The multiverse was brought forth in order to delegate projects more easily.
I love how the cinematic universe fans are finally getting the feelings and lackluster stories that comic fans have dealt with for years following great stories!!!
That's exactly what has me so chill about Phase 4 taking its time. Like, this is exactly what I like about Marvel in the first place. I'll never read every comic, and I'll never watch every MCU project.
You don't have to, it's an entire Universe for a reason.
The fun part is when your favorite arc crosses a friend's favorite arc. Let the stories meander a little bit.
I will say, I wish we had more variety in the genres of the projects. I hope the upcoming launches commit a bit more to a niche style that compliments the character.
@@SkilletTRO 100% agree, it will build into awesomeness!!!
@@daniellenihan9832 yup. Just wait
until Avengers Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars come out. It will probably be the most hyped movies of all time
This is a perfect way to describe it. We love the comics and watched them descend into event/crossover oversaturation. The movies followed that sad trend.
They also forget that most of those heroes we love from MCU had pretty bad introductions. Captain America 1 was bland Thor 1 was bad and thor 2 is the worst MCU Movie out. They all grew over the years into what we love. These characters all have had better intros than over half of the old guard.
“Aggressively mediocre”…. That is the best description I’ve ever heard for that movie!
Phase 4 for me just felt like we need to set up all the chapters who are leading out next 10 years of films and nothing more.
Man, Eternals was such a hassle. The only fun I had in that movie was the Icarus flying through the sun, genuinely, the only smile that movie got out of me.
I personally loved Moon Knight, but ironically I loved it BECAUSE it was so separate from the rest of the MCU. It felt like a standalone Egyptian fantasy that I could watch while pretty much ignoring everything else in the MCU lol.
I felt this exactly. I liked Shang Chi a lot too because of it's lack of envolvement. It's imperfections shrank in comparison to the bloated Multiverse of Madness.
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I liked it but it kinda lost me after half the season. Finished and still enjoyed it. Can´t really put the finger on what exactly bothered me. Still 1000% better than anyting else Marvel made that time tho.
I was about to comment this!! Not enough people give MK credit. It's a great story with such good characters and story. Its the only MUC season 2 I'm looking forward to!
Same 💖
They need some directors with an actual artistic vision and more creative control, but Disney wouldn't let that happen. Batman is the best superhero movie of the 2020's thus far and it's thanks to a director that actually cares, good acting, and great cinematography without relying heavily on CGI.
disney bought marvel in 2009. it's the shitty writers throw jessica gao out of the studio I swear.
They had for Thor: Love and Thunder.
@@Traumglanz thor love and thunder was awful ://
They have a few artistic creators…in the animation department
But their corporate meddling kept season 3 of Matt Braly’s Amphibia from reaching its full potential, and it also kept Dana Terrace’s The Owl House from getting a full 3rd season, instead shortening it to 3 specials
We need to invest more in the creative freedom of these passionate creators so that they can tell great stories that reach their full potential
@@Kujin364 I loved it
Phase 4 is like when you finish a game and the only content left are the side missions that don't really progress the story any further.
One of the things I hate in the new MCU is that they are telling and not showing, like in the first movies after Avengers we didn't know when Thanos would appear, how things would go, we discovered by watching them. Now Marvel already said that Kang is going to be a villain in Ant-Man, that we going to have Secret Wars, like, yeah, they announced things back then too, but now they almost tell what will happens, how can you build hype for the known, when building hype is all about wanting to discover the unknown?
"it feels like homework you need to watch to keep up but in reality you don't, it's just filler."
That one sentence summed up my entire experience with phase 4.
AMEN!!! Random things and Easter eggs and tie-ins would pop up in other movies that were enjoyable stand alone projects...while now they shove in other characters and act like there are actually stakes involved but at the end its like nothing had happened and everything was back to whatevs status quo already existed before the movie or TV show.... everything in phase four has been SUPER SKIPPABLE except maybe Loki because of Kang...and maybe Ms Marvel..which connects to the Marvels...none of this other crap matters...in fact in MOM literally the whole multiverse was supposed to be in peril and not once did it ever seem even close to being in any real danger
It sums up why there needs to be a reboot of the mcu after endgame
The one point I'll interject here is this: Tony Stark wasn't important for just his brains. He was important to the MCU because of his constant drive forward. He kept trying to push his story forward which brought the entire MCU along with him. And with Cap being the moral compass, striving to keep things as "True North" as they can, it really made the whole universe satisfying. The current MCU is lacking all of that, an active protagonist, and a moral compass. That's why it's all gone to shit. That, and turning Thor into a 'funny himbo'. Terrible!
Doing Thor like that was the worst move they could have ever made
The MCU also used to have a goal in mind.
Right now, the "goal" is "the message" aka "women are so good, they can do no wrong, fuck men" which She-Hulk is deeply infected with.
@@gezenews Nope, missed the point. Spider-Man wasn't the focal character of the MCU, back then. Not Star Lord, not Hawkeye, Iron Man. He was the one driving the plot forward, and that's what made him the main character. Arguing that he's fictional, and therefore his actions and motivations were written for him is irrelevant. All the characters are fictional. Not all the characters drive the plot of the entire MCU forward.
Nailed it.
Much as I don't really agree with what you said about iron man driving the story forward, I do agree that's the Cruz of the issue.
Most of these characters seem to be reacting and not driving the plot forward.
It should have ended with End Game. We know which characters kept the MCU glued together… their departure was the end.
I knew with Iron Man’s death it was over for me. Pity Disney didn’t realize that.
Jj “awe get me a violin !” 😂😂
I am SO thankful I never got myself invested too deeply in the MCU. Honestly, I've wanted to get back into the MCU at times but there's just so much they've put out that its too overwhelming and not worth it. There's so much better cinema out there. I do feel bad though because it's all gone to shit now and I can't imagine how actual, dedicated fans must feel. My sympathies.
I'm honestly done with the MCU at this point. If a project looks like it actually wants to contribute to the overarching story in a meaningful way, and is shot like an actual film instead of some factory-made audience tested shlock, then I'll be interested. Phase Four has completely killed any interest I have in the future of Marvel, and I'm honestly just happier taking a break from the series rather than constantly tuning in to be dissapointed.
Spot on to how I feel. I've cared less and less about the MCU with every movie released after Endgame (except for No Way Home, which I enjoyed), and never had any interest in the tv shows. It's quantity over quality, oversaturation is an understatement. Nothing has been building to anything meaningful. Now that there's infinite universes, nothing matters anymore, and there's absolutely no stakes.
Doctor Strange 2 was my last straw and I skipped Thor 4.
Only thing that I'm still looking forward to is Guardians 3, but even then, I'm waiting for reviews to see how that turns out.
Phase 5 and onward looks really great, there is an overarching story involved here in Phase 4 that will lead into the future phases though. It’s about Incursions, reality being broken, leading to a war with Kang which will then set up Doctor Doom and the Mutants. Spider Man NWH, Loki, and Doctor Strange MoM all contribute to this storyline, with Eternals and Shang Chi doing it in a more subtle way. Things will certainly get better from here, or at least I believe.
I 100% agree with this statement.
@@JayDog459 oh come on no way home was good
@@frhax no way home was good but nostalgia played a huge part in that as well
It super sucks because marvel used to be the most exciting thing for me and my friends, we would buy our tickets for opening Thursday at midnight, and now I can’t even stomach watching the trailers. It makes me so upset
I feel Disney is more responsible for the drop in quality than KF. We see similar issues across all Disney content and this better explains why the MCU is where it is right now.
Spot on. After seeing Thor: Love & Thunder, I knew the MCU was in trouble and it doesn't seem to be aware of this. Definitely not too late to make some easy (albeit high-level, only easy if the upper-levels accept/acknowledge it) changes and get back on track.
It's like cooking. The first Three phases were carefully crafted, elegant lamb shanks on top of couscous and served with a delectable Caesar salad. The last batch of movies are just microwaved Salisbury steaks, with grainy mashed potatoes and clammy green beans.
I thought most of Phase 4 was medicore or bad, but Thor Love & Thunder very good. Felt as fun as the previous Thor.
Like, wtf was up with homosexual rocks?
@@SqueeblesMcklooflin they did that correctly wdym. What they didn’t do correctly was the power scaling between lady Thor and actual Thor.
The comic book was absolutely amazing, if they could just follow the storyline of the comic book, that movie would’ve been epic
I honestly don't think we will ever get something as amazing as the Infinity Saga
Just like we won’t get anything as amazing as the original Star Wars movies in that cinematic universe either
@@jediapc226 okay…
It's not very good
@@TheSmurray39 mid wars, star mid, trash wars, star dumpsterfire
I feel like civil war is the best MCU movie overall, there was so much going on but it was very relevant to everything we see in later movies and addressed more complex topics within the avengers lives instead of simply being about beating up a bad guy
I think this video was extremely well said. I'm a woman, and I absolutely hate forced feminism. She Hulk is the equivalent of the scene in Endgame when all the female superheroes got together during the big battle sequence. I felt that it was so forced and it made me cringe so bad. I hated it. On the other hand, the scene where Wanda, Black Widow, and Okoye got together during Infinity War for the big battle sequence, that scene felt so natural and actually created a sense of empowerment. Marvel needs to revert back to that formula moving forward.
I started dropping off after I watched Eternals. Hated it because I felt there were too many main people to focus on. I felt that if they introduced half of the group to us in Eternals and then the second half in a sequel, it'd be better. Tried to watched Hawkeye, she hulk, and i watched DS:MoM and ended up disliking them. There were only a few shows and movies from this phase I actually liked. I think the MCU is so far of their path that they're pulling character after character because they saw how excited we were at Endgame, and they now feel the need to connect everything and everyone to each other to set up another big bad, but what (I think) we really want is a few stand alone movies that maybe sometimes interject, but not all of them.
The ‘It feels like homework’ is a great analogy.
I go to every MCU movie on Day 1 in the theater. But I NEED to watch every show, how boring they might be, to not miss things in the movies… which is sad…
Massive plotlines in shows is so weird to me…
I like most of the characters which is why I still watch, but it’s not that I find it fun, it’s just homework…
Even then the movies are worse than the first of the shows at this point
Doctor Strange should've been one of the new anchors of the MCU. It seemed like they were positioning him to be as such with Infinity War but then Multiverse of Madness seemed to derail that. Maybe Mr. Fantastic can be once he's introduced? Spider-Man seemed like a good fit too if he grew older and wiser.
Multiverse only sucked so much but sam raimi cannot let go of the past and turned it into some shitty horror movie rip off. Tobey Maguire would have been in that movie if he wasnt just in spiderman
Strange is too self centered to be the head. He tries to care, but too often gets stuck in his own head. You need someone who is almost heretical to their ideals to do it, and he is too wishy washy. IMO Hawkeye could do it, and Reed Richards is a perfect one too. No one else has as strong a personal compass and also a strong charisma so I don't know who else. Maybe Falcon if he sheds his thorny cold personality in the next movie.
@@miclowgunman1987 Tony was self centered at first too. He could've had a similar arc as selfish and arrogant to becoming a true hero.
Personally I couldn’t agree more. Dr. Strange has immense power and knowledge. His background is very well established with two standalone films and many cameos. Most importantly, he has relatable flaws: he is logical to a fault, he struggles to move on from his past failures, and he has quite an ego. That’s a lot to work with.
Agreed
Random question but was anybody else completely unaware of Shang-chi until just before it released?
I saw one bus with it advertising on it the day of it's releasing and that's it, the ad piqued my curiosity and I watched one trailer but I swear there was little to no advertising
Excellent video, and the last reason you mentioned I wouldn't thought about... they can probably fix that by picking some of the characters they've already introduced and actually turn them into great characters (that is thinking of character growth and complexity). I think it's safe to say that marvel is trying to milk the franchise rather than doing something good with it. Gotta understand them as well, too much of a good thing w 10 years of build up, they got lazy, I get it. I only hope they wake up one good day and say "man... We build up such a good thing back there, it's a shame to see what it has come to be... Let's get it back on track"