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Why MCU Phase 4 Sucked | Video Essay
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MCU Phase 4 has come to an end and it was without question the most flawed Phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe so far. The MCU experimented with various films, as well as shows on their Disney+ platform. Some of it worked and some of it absolutely failed. Bringing into question the integrity of the MCU and signs that it may well be past it's prime with Phases 1-3. Gone are the days of the highs of Avengers Infinity War and Avengers Endgame, at least for now. Why did Phase 4 end up so disappointing? We break it all down by going through each Phase 4 film or show and get to the bottom of it in this Video Essay.
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Black Panther Wakanda Forever (2022)
She Hulk - (2022)
Thor: Love & Thunder - (2022)
Doctor Strange: In The Multiverse of Madness - (2022)
Eternals - (2021)
Moon Knight - (2022)
Falcon and The Winter Soldier - (2021)
Spider-Man No Way Home - (2021)
WandaVision - (2021)
Loki - (2021)
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Intro - 0:00
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Part 1 (Films) - 2:15
Part 2 (Shows) - 13:24
Part 3 (Summary) - 22:50
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You forgot What If..?
Kinda bummed you didnt include What If??? But I guess you didn't like it.
@@liamphibia Tbf What If is kinda irrelevant to phase 4. It just came out within its duration
you could at least comment here what you think about What If..?
Why would Sam need to get a lone?
It’s ironic how this phase should’ve been entirely about dealing with the consequences and aftermath of Endgame, and yet only 3 projects (if that) out of the entire phase actually took it seriously. There was a lot of potential wasted by having the 5 year void in the world’s lives just go over peoples’ heads and replacing that with jokes and banter..
Agreed Phase 4 should have been an epilogue of Endgame .
Yea, most of phase 4 seemed like endgame never happened
@@jturner2577 and yet I thought that’s what the shows were going to be more focused on. Falcon and the Winter solider is the only example I could come up with because they actually dealt with the result of the 5year gap and it’s effects on ppl and the world.
@@Nytellem Sure the way they dealt with it was too hamfisted in some aspects. But at least it was actually dealt with and not danced around/downplayed.
Love and Thunder literally had an ice cream place called Infinity Conez like bruhhh
Anyone noticed that the actual good projects have directors who actually LIKE the source material and respect the character's arcs and development? Who would have thought... 🙄
1000% THIS
Yet Marvel finds it a Red Flag for some reason.
@J Turner I know it's a shame, they're delusional
@@jturner2577 red flag = anything that won't be a shallow cash grab
Love of thunder. For example what a source material used right namor too
I've heard that Wanda was actually supposed to become evil AT THE END of Multiverse of Madness so that she would be the full antagonist for a future avengers film, but then disney came in and told the writers to change it and speed up her arc. This actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it because it did feel like a lot about the film was rewritten haphazardly, espcially considering that it expected viewers to have seen Wandavision in order to understand it. Her whole arc just feels wasted now, because she's now buried under a pile of rubble with no real closure.
Disney didn't come in, Michael Waldron is a selfish dumbass similar to Rian Johnson and admitted he wanted to play with the toy ALONE
She's obviously not gonna stay there but yeah, it should've been better
That's what I was hoping for. It made the most sense. The MCU has been severely lacking in the female baddie category. Why would Disney give a rats ass? Where did you hear about their interference?
? Disney had nothing to do with it. The writer, Michael Waldron decided he didn't want to "tee up the coolest villain of all time for someone else to play with" (his words) and decided to straight up make her the villain instead
MoM is one of the MCU’s worst scripts lol. I was baffled at some of the choices. Memory Lane aka The Exposition Store was egregiously lazy writing.
Something I feel people don’t really talk about with regards to phase 4 is how truly atrocious the pacing was. Almost every film had really bad pacing and I couldn’t figure out why.
They generally had an introduction that moved at breakneck speed to get to the inciting incident, a snail-speed slow middle with little to no rising action that just casually stepped into the climax and a resolution that was not given the time it needed to breathe.
Thor: Love and Thunder had the worst pacing imo, but Dr. Strange and Spider-Man both suffered from it as well.
yeah, altough all these movies/shows had an atrocious pace, spider-man, shang chi and loki at least had decent plots, UNLIKE ALL the rest of phase 4 productions
It’s kinda sad that Eternals arguably had the best pacing when compared to the rest of phase 4 movies. You didn’t feel like you were overwhelmed with so much in such little time
Their 6 part show is the problem, imagine thr show just have 6 eps and still add filler, look at moon knight falcon and hawkeyes, ep 2 through 5 feel empty
@@melodieluanepaula moon knight was good besides episode 6's fight between ammit and khonshu
Spider-Mans pacing was great
When I started watching the MCU, it was one film a year. Then two a year. Then three a year. Then four films and half a dozen Disney Plus series at 6 hours each…
The phrase ‘quality over quantity’ needs to become part of Marvel’s thinking going forward.
If they dont do many movies,then the story will not continue very fast,its better like that
@@kevink1396 lol no it isn’t they’re releasing shitty projects because they rush them smh
💯💯💯 I don't watch any of Wandavision cause I don't want spend my money on Disney Plus, then when I watch Dr. Strange 2 on theater I felt like I'm missing some of Wanda's plot and just like "did I have to start to watch gazillion episode of MCU series on Disney+ going forward now?"
I honestly don’t enjoy the fact that we have shows. I miss just needing to watch 2 hour movies. not shows that are excruciating to watch because they’re not paced right per episode
@@bobbywrtm yes, you do. WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, moonknight, she hulk, and Ms marvel are all going to matter in the greater MCU narrative.
I’m starting to realize Black Widow isn’t really supposed to be a movie about Natasha but more of an origin story for Yelena considering she stole the whole show and was basically set up to be the new Black Widow
You remember when we used to be excited for the next MCU related project? Simpler times…
After black panther. Seems like that's back. Cautiously tho.
@@eegernades Yes I think they needed more time and phase 5 they probably woke up and realized they needed time to actually do good
The disappointment with MCU Phase 4 is why I want to refund Destiny 2 Lightfall.
When en have 6 movies for phase 1 and 2 and then there was 12 for phases 3 and now like fucking 20 and a million shows.
Wdym am excited for ant man,guardians of galaxy and am excited what will happen with dr strange . You are a bot or dont watch these movies
I’m honestly scared for future projects. Daredevil on Netflix is one of the best TV shows I have ever watched. Even the other shows like Jessica Jones, Punisher and Luke Cage were pretty brilliant, but now I’m scared and worried to see what Disney will do to their characters.
I am not too worried of daredevil born again because it’s confirmed that it’s MA rating.
God, I feel that. I used to be excited for every new installment of the MCU. Wanted new characters to get their chance to shine. Now? I'm afraid of every movie that comes out. I fear all they'll do is ruin the characters or make the film have a political agenda. X-Men and Fantastic 4 are coming soon. Adam Warlock, and perhaps Silver Surfer too. And I'm not excited. I'm terrified.
Watching Disney do this to people's childhoods, it's infuriating. I know these characters are not my own. I know I don't own Marvel or DC or Star Wars. But I consume it. Shouldn't a fan have a say in how it's portrayed? Ticket sales and reviews should be the measure of a film or character's success, not identity politics. The film or comic or whatever should live or die by the sword of the audience.
I don't know man. Just feels like we're all just kids on the playground, letting the bully play with our toys, only for him to break them.
With iger coming back I'm pretty worried about the deadpool 3 project and whether they'll go back to pg-13. Already worried they'll ruin hugh Jackman wolverine and now there's chance they'll take deadpool down with him
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo MA rating doesn't mean shit writing wise it can be garbage
Luke Cage was about 7 episodes too many. It was a slog to get through at times.
I feel so bad for Hawkeye, I enjoyed his show, but it just underwhelmed me by the fact it's just an excuse to introduce Kate. They made a lot of mistakes with this show, they filmed and deleted a scene of Clint calling the police on his OWN MOTHER as a child
Context for the scene?
@@laserbeamlightning yeah I’m curious about the context for that seen as well. Seems so random.
I just went searching for this scene and Ohmygod does it provide so much more depth for his character. I have no idea why they wouldn’t include it
@@laserbeamlightning @QueenKunta I've never read very many Hawkeye comics so I could be VERY wrong here but iirc in a lot of comic stories Clint loses his hearing due to the physical abuse he gets from his parents
I love how No way home not only developed Tom Holland's Spider-Man but others as well. Let's not forget villains' character arcs which were awesome.
That's only good phase 4 and also loki and moon knight
@@ioniiKxFreeZeX moonknight was kinda meh it was a messed up storyline and never really made sense in so many ways
@@tvtaughtmethismess Moon Knight started off great, but fell off the rails very quickly.
Wdym developed ? 👀👀
my hot take: spiderman nwh is the worst phase 4 movie
Disney Plus was a mistake, instead of trying to make their own service which is so limited in it's variety of content they should've just supplied content to other streaming services to the highest bidders.
Not enough people have this take. I think they may have also hurt streaming in general. Most people don’t keep services now just switch around depending on what show to see. They already own hulu… just put them there
Yeah, it was more profitable the old ways but now everyone is losing money since no one wants all the subscriptions especially for what they’re getting at the price point.
Honestly the only reason I even watched some Disney+ stuff is because my sister pays for it and I pay for HBO Max (Where I actually use it compared to Disney+)
Exactlyyy I truly believe Disney is the reason behind all this mess, the MCU remained undefeated before this (a thing or two that could’ve been better but it still had us all excited to see what was next)
Great now I need to have multiple streaming services to keep up with the story of the mcu… greattt…
I feel like of all the phase 4 stuff, the things I liked the most were strongly character driven. Spider-Man didn't have a particularly strong screenwriting, but it examined the character of Peter Parker by asking what makes him Spider-Man. Wakanda Forever dove deeply into T'Challa's legacy and how everyone his life touched fits into that now that he's gone. WandaVision was an exploration of Wanda's complex morality and Vision's identity. Loki was a self-reflection of the god of mischief by giving us a variant (or 2) of him that actually escape the TVA's destiny for them. She-Hulk has no overarching narrative or character study. Black Widow is the same character we've already gotten to know, so she doesn't have much of a journey to undergo. None of the Eternals were given nearly enough time to prove why they matter individually. The greatest power that fiction has is the ability to let us examine the human condition during unrealistic or absurd conflicts. If the story or setting itself is not interesting enough to earn the audience's engagement, then it should at least try to use character to drive interest.
Exactly! That's what attracts us to characters in the first place. We can relate, feel for them and take ourselves out of our own lives for a couple of hours and connect.
Phase 4 is a building arc only brain dead cabt simply see that
The problem with Wakanda Forever is for all intents and purposes, T'Challa already was gone. He was snapped out. All this mourning should have already happened
@@s4dd4d66 I mean I think it takes someone brain dead to look at this mess and see it as building towards anything, really.
@@darude2893 incorrect he was snapped back into existence meaning any mourning would've been recalled and then he ACTUALLY died making it way worse
I'll always remember the ending for Loki having me excited for the next few projects thinking that Kang might turn up to randomly screw up someones solo movies but since then we've had nothing till Ant-Man coming up in March.
Same again with Dr Strange and Spider-man. We were led to believe we were getting some intertwined multiverse arc in phase 4 but they've done nothing with it.
Think how much more sense the incident between Peter and Dr Strange would make if halfway through his spell to make people forget Peters identity that he had some vision of Kang and the future and that's what made him break his concentration.
It just feels like Kangs imminent threat should influence any Multiverse project going forward.
I always thought that it being Strange's fault was just an incident that was incorrectly blamed on Strange when the real reason The multiverse broke open was due to the events of Loki. it would make far more sense and it wouldn't make Dr Strange look stupid, careless or too powerful to the point he can literally destroy all of reality with just a spell. I was hoping the Loki ending would continue on in Dr Strange 2. The fact Dr Strange 2 did nothing to move the multiverse storyline forward really ruined the hype for me.
@@vice2versa yes I agree, Multiverse of Madness was a conplete bait and switch movie that didn't live up to half of the hype that people had.
Yeah I get this. Loki, Far From Home, and Multiverse of Madness were all about the multiverse but none of them had any connection at all. In Loki we are lead to believe we are watching the "creation" of the multiverse, because before that there was only 1 sacred timeline. Then in Spider-Man, strange just randomly happens to know that the multiverse exists out of nowhere. This isn't explained. Then the memory spell is used a plot device (the reasons for that being cast and it going wrong are incredibly stupid). Then in MoM, a kid who has the power to travel the multiverse is introduced out of nowhere and used as a convenient plot device. What happened to the interconnectivity?
I heard people saying “Loki is going to show the tinkering of the multiverse, Spider-Man is going to show the effects of the multiverse’s tinkering, and Doctor Strange 2 will be about restoring.” So then why do none of them feel like they’re connected in anyway. I know Chavez was supposed to appear In Spider-Man NWH because Doctor Strange 2 was supposed to come out first, but NWH feels like a footnote in DS2. It’s kinda silly how the films in phase 4 that are supposed to set up the multiverse don’t have any correlation to one another.
@@tank_0251 The multiverse always existed though so of course Strange would know about it. You're viewing things in a linear way which could explain your confusion. The Loki ending was the birth of the multiverse but that doesn't happen at a fixed point in time.
What Marvel is going through right now is an identity crisis. After the perfect ending of Endgame, it’s been hard for these writers to decide what to do with these characters next.
Stars Wars has this exact same problem, and I also think that Pokémon will once Ash leaves the anime. After having a definitive ending, it’s hard for franchises to continue on without some setbacks.
IMO Endgame was pretty bad. Although there were things I enjoyed like Tony's and Nebula's arcs , a lot of it left me disappointed:
1. Introducing time travel so late into the series shattered the already fragile MCU worldbuilding. Why worry about anything if time travel is this accessible?
2. I get the thematic beauty of Steve learning to live the life, but its execution ruined the idea.
3. Thor's trilogy arc was thrown away.
4. Hulk didn't even have character development.
5. Thanos was botched plain and simple.
6. The awkward "female power" scene.
7. The overall nonsense during the final fight.
@@tentonmotto6779 Tbh the rest I don't care about opinion is an opinion but what do you mean Thanos was botched? I really am hoping you don't mean comic Thanos and you have some sort of reasoning
@@irishhotshot6765 I liked Thanos in the IW movie. He had personality, motivation, relationships, complexity and development. The Endgame throw that away. The interesting character was killed and replaced with a one-dimensional version.
@@gumzsterterrible take and statement smh. Endgame was phenomenal. Literally the best MCU movie alongside infinity war. Why are you trying to be so different lmao. I don’t understand the amount of pretentious comments stating it should’ve ended with infinity war at all.
@@tentonmotto6779 your reasons as to why endgame is “bad” aren’t valid at all. Time travel was possible during that time because of Scott Lang, the quantum realm and the overall timing with Thanos defeating the avengers after infinity war. The way time travel was discovered was natural. This whole “fragile world building” comment is nonsense. When was it fragile in phase 1-3?
Steve Rogers literally had the perfect ending to his arc so saying it wasn’t “executed” right is nonsense. Please explain.
“Thors trilogy is thrown away” - again please explain. You’re making ridiculous stuff up. Endgame didn’t ruin Thor.
“Hulk didn’t have character development” - unless your referring to the off screen development which admittedly is a flaw, smart hulk was still a decent character that was important to the plot of endgame and had good moments as well.
Finally how was Thanos botched? Care to explain? And there wasn’t “nonsense” during the final fight at all. The third act is literally a peak payoff for the MCU.
Endgame was one of the best MCU films alongside infinity war so what you have just said comes off as incredibly ignorant and pretentious.
You’re one of the fairer reviewers of the objectively flawed phase 4. You don’t mind saying when something is pretty good. I like that.
A lot of people these days sit on one extreme or the other. It's just sad tbh.
@@movieoverload I just liked knowing that I wasn't the only one that enjoyed Shang Chi
Definitely the reviewer that I've felt most similar to in terms of opinions. Others lean a bit too much into hating or loving it.
I speak for everyone when I say “We do not have a problem with woke things in films and TV. We have a problem with poorly developed characters and storylines, which are often the result of jamming in woke characters and themes that do not work in that specific setting.”
Edit two months later - I realised very quickly that although I speak for a lot of people, I do not speak for everyone. However, I didn’t change the comment earlier because I didn’t want people to stop having conversations in the replies.
Exactly. As much as I disagree with the woke narrative, I would honestly despise a equally ham fisted conservative propaganda piece in my Marvel content. If you're gonna go political or make social commentary, make it subtle, don't make it the driving force of the plot. People always say, "comics were never political." And idiots that defend the wokeness respond with, "they always were." Funnily enough, the idiots are right. But only to a degree. Comics were always political, but not every comic was propaganda. Some comics can do political or social themes using metaphors brilliantly. But the majority of comics now don't focus on being subtle or intelligent with their message, it's blatant, and written out word for word. There's a definite difference between propaganda comics and political comics.
Woke characters? Could you elaborate? Because it seems to me that people of different colors need a legitimate reason to exist in media properties these days and if their character sucks, it's not because of the writing department but it becomes a "political" issue
@@blueNyellow I mean Andor the show isn’t really subtle of its leftist politics so your argument falls apart.
You don’t speak for everyone because I hate wokeness in entertainment. I don’t come to play your game, watch your movie, and tv show to watch politics. I came to be entertained. When a game adds a pride emblem, I roll my eyes. It doesn’t belong in a video game. When I watch a movie and they’re clearly pushing a woke agenda, I can’t stand it. Leave politics out of entertainment.
@@blueNyellowI think I kind of agree with you, I hate wokeness in entertainment. leftist politics shouldn’t be in it, and neither should conservative politics. I want entertainment to have little to none real life politics injected into it.
One of my issues with Phase 4 is the lack of narrative direction. Phase 1 was all about establishing the world of the MCU and building to the forming of the Avengers, Phase 2 was about setting up the Infinity Stones and delving further into the Avengers personal stories, Phase 3 was about the buildup to Thanos and the Infinity War. In each phase, there was a clear event being established and worked towards. Phase 4 has done a lot of filling in the map of the expanded universe and adding more characters, but there hasn’t been any discernible purpose for this beyond “make more money”.
I just have so much love for the infinity saga. Even the worst movies of those phases still hold a special place in my heart. Phase 4 hasn't made me feel the same way really. Maybe it's the lack of avengers movie or big team up movies, phase 4 being the only phase to not deliver something like that. It was just jam packed with a bunch of mostly solo hero movies where everyone is just kinda doing their own things
phase 4 did seem like it was building up to something but Doctor Strange 2 kinda ruined that momentum. now everything feels like a lack of focus.
@@vice2versa the fact that Loki Spider-Man NWH and Doctor Strange 2 are the only projects in phase 4 that focus on the multiverse makes you think that they’re going to be the hitters of Phase 4. The way the events of each film could play off each other and the leads in each of those by the end of this pseudo-trilogy realizing the big threat looming over and putting the multiverse in danger, Kang.
I’ve seen people saying the Loki is the start of the multiverse falling apart, Spider-Man NWH was to show the effects of the multiverse breaking, and Doctor Strange 2 would be about restoring, or at least trying to restore, the multiverse. So then why do these films barely have anything to do with one another? NWH is basically a footnote in Doctor Strange 2 and the events of Loki, which take place in an alternate timeline after the first avengers film, are completely unmentioned.
amazing that the phase with the most projects has the least amount of interconnectivity.
I agree, I get they were trying to set up new characters but Phase 1 did the exact same thing and still had a way to bind them together, I think the issue is that S.H.E.I.L.D was taken down with them they had glue for the characters in Phase 1 to interact but they could've set up and used S.W.0.R.D in the same way or the Sokovia accords(which I know have been repealed now but they could've not). Using Wanda as a big threat (like Loki), a character we know that was established as a villain in M0M and then taken down by a big host of characters instead of some stupid building
The line "you have to stop calling them terrorists" when the entire show depicted textbook examples of terrorism, really makes you question what kind of people are in Disney's writing rooms these days.
I’m surprised it didn’t come across any of the writers that Sam, who was in the military, would definitely know what a ‘terrorist’ and that Karli and the Flagsmashers obviously fit the description.
@@SpiderManMCUniverse Antifa scum writing the scripts, the kind that never saw any of the real world, coming from entitled leftist families and living in a bubble of worthless colleges.
That line is what made me hate the show so dang much. How many people need to be murdered for Sam to realize that they were terrorists. Then he followed that line with "Do better" like how are they supposed to do better, the population just doubled after 5 years to move on from Thanos murder of half the population and the only advice he has is to do better.
I still see many flaws with Spiderman, but it was the best project of phase 4
Same here wasnt perfect but i enjoyed it.
black panther was way better than nwh
@@bananaking664 it was good, but not as great as NWH.
@@o.Struggler was that supposed to be an insult ☠️
Spiderman lack of action.
They hated you because you told them the truth.
Phase 4 was so bad I ended up checking out the comics and going through those storylines. Much much better
I'm actually weirdly glad She Hulk exists. It stands as a perfect example of what not to do. If the writers pay even a little attention to their fans online, this terrible show can act as a guide for everything they need to avoid in future projects. Mistakes are important to make as long as you learn from them.
Which is also why criticism is important
I desperately wanted to like She Hulk. Really, I did. I tried to watch it and the more episodes I watched, the more it dragged on. It was unfunny and predictable.
They didn't need to have a powerful female lead while also having misogynistic side characters you gotta let them stand on their own
TBH I think 2008 Hulk is underrated. Its not perfect by any means, but in my opinion it had the best depiction of the Hulk. His size, strength and overall look really made him look intimidating. Then they just ruined him as time went on and made him a joke in SHE-Hulk.
He was pretty cheesy in She Hulk but at least Bruce got peace in some form. It implies that he’s by himself, and comfortable. (Disclaimer: didn’t like She Hulk as a whole)
The part where She-Hulk twerked with Megan Thee Stallion in her office felt like it was written and directed by a freaking toddler! Ugh!
The start of your post is like one of those meme posts joking about 'Morbius' or 'Rings of Power' - - "The part where Galadriel took out a lightsaber and said 'It's Galadrieling Time' just gave me chills!"
Then I remembered that this actually happened in a real Marvel show.
@@atomicdancer
I wasn't kidding around
How? Why would toddler write something like that?
@@atomicdancer lmao thats spot on! At least we got that ben shapiro rapping over the tweking meme. That was a golden pheonix rising from the dung heap
More likely a Gen Z TikToker.
With Loki, I think you miss the biggest criticism of the show and a symptom of Phase 4: the bait & switch. Hawkeye isn't aboot Hawkeye. Love & Thunder isn't aboot Thor. And Loki was all aboot Sylvie, not Loki
Exactly. It became abundantly clear to me the moment they introduced Sylvie while giving her most of the bigger magical elements and have her make more plot-important choices, that she was the main protagonist in the show not Tom Hiddleston's Loki.
Idk how you got the word about wrong 3 times. Also, okay, Hawkeye isn't mainly about hawkeye, but he's in the name, so he'a pretty relevant in the plot, but Loki is about both Loki and Sylvie, because the first 3 episodes are about Loki mostly, he's still in the show after that episode but Sylvie is introduced, and also why name it Loki?
@@bvq330 That's the point though. They are named one thing, but are about something else. Aka: bait & switch. I'll add Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness into the mix; it follows that girl and her story more so than it does Steven. With Loki, he's NOT the main character. He's just there until the audience gets to Sylvie who's actually the protag.
Also also, why does my version of about, "aboot," bother you so much 😂 it's done very purposefully, I assure you dear fellow
@@Arthas30000 ok thank you for the clarification on the topic and about the aboot.
@@bvq330 My pleasure 😁
maybe the bar is lower as a result of phase 4, but i thought wakanda forever was a really nice film. it felt like it respected each character, the fights were good, the villain was good, and you actually felt the weight/importance of all the events that occurred
Multi verse was a very bad idea for the MCU, they had no reason to move into that direction. Especially since they clearly didn’t know how to execute it. I’m glad more ppl/CZcamsrs are starting to acknowledge the multiverse / multi timelines really lower the significance of prior events and elements
I saw something which said that marvel doesn’t hire people who love the comics, which explains pretty much everything in a nutshell imo
that's exactly like not hiring a doctor because they know medicine and human anatomy but instead hire someone who doesn't get how it works
I disagree, some of the issues I have have a link to the comics, they should hire people who love film and respect the comics, unfortunately it seems most writers don’t understand what makes a script good
Hell I feel like a lot of times the comic industry doesn't hire people who love comics.
I hate the word “woke” because people just existing and being represented in movies should not be a political statement. However, when these characters come at the detriment of a good and well told story, then we have a problem
It feels like they're more interested in shallow "representation" of minority groups (on screen only, not behind the camera!) to make profit, rather than wanting to represent people from these groups in a way that irl people from these groups would find interesting or relatable. Like as a queer person, none of Marvel's "gay representation" (if you could even call it that) has done anything for me - it seemed more like a box ticking exercise so that they can tell the higher ups that zomg they made a film with one (1) gay in it!!! Diversity achieved!!! Who cares whether real gay people even like it, we can market the movie as being diverse and make even more money!!! :)))) The profit motive is antithetical to good representation imo.
I like the word "woke" because it is short, and everyone more-or-less know what it refer to. "Performative Virtue-Signalling Academic Lecturing about Identity or White Liberal Guilt" are simply too long. Instead of heteronormative, I used the word "straight". Instead of non-binary, I said nothing.
@Account.for.Comment maybe you need to realise that being "woke" actually means you just want human rights? And equality
@@lucadasillywolf I' m for human rights, I'm for equality, I' m for humanity. I' m not for forcing everybody to adhere or perform to a rigid code of speech and behavior like schoolchildren listening to instructions from a teacher, throughout their adult lives. I.e. let' s not insult people by calling them "homeless", let' s call them "unhoused" like animals.
The people destroying human rights can and has always come up with new fancy words to justity the status quo, deflect responsibility and fake improvements. George Carlin and George Orwell, explained the effects of those words years ago. The word "Woke" is the an inverse of today buzzwords. It is short and is used-widely by popular sentiments, unlike the jargons being defined and forced dowm by academia, media and corporations.
I hate the word woke because it’s always steeped in conservative/right-leaning dogma and it’s such a pain to have to say “I agree that the depiction of minorities by Disney has been a disaster but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be depicted at all”.
Because the people blaming everything on wokeness are not mad that minorities are depicted poorly, they’re mad that they’re being depicted period. And I don’t want to make them think for a moment I agree with them
Moonknight did lose its way in the second half,,, but episode 5 with all the Mark/Steven memory stuff was probably my favorite episode in the whole show
Mauler's video on multiverse of madness made me realize all the different ways this movie's plot actually fucks itself. These are some off the top of my head:
1. How does Wanda send demons to attack America through multiple universes when multiversal travel is only something America can do? Say one of the monsters got hold of her. How would it bring her to the universe Wanda is in?
2. Wanda staying in another universe for decades has a real chance to cause that entire universe to implode. That seems like something that should have been brought up to her.
3. How does America manage to use her powers while being chained by the anti-magic sand things? This is important cus if she didnt escape then Wanda wouldve caught up to her and sucked her power out easily.
4. The woman who sacrifices herself destroying the darkhold doesnt think of trying to set Wong free. If he had escaped, Wanda would have no way of knowing about the darkhold temple.
5. Why does Wanda send Strange and Christine to another universe using America instead of just killing them? Strange especially could still be a threat even in another universe.
6. Wanda takes FOREVER to drain America of her power once she finally has her in the temple. Strange and Christine fuck around in another universe for ages and she still keeps going. It should have taken mere seconds considering the Strange originally defending America decided to start draining her while keeping one of Wanda's demons busy with his other hand.
7. America now has the power to locate any person she knows while they are in a separate universe as well as travel to that universe, as she did with Strange and Christine in the end. Why the fuck cant she do that to find her parents?
8. America staying in this universe risks an incursion being caused. Brilliant.
Also I gotta say the way this movie introduced us to America is a bit bizarre. We dont know where her powers came from, we dont know why there only exists one version of her in the multiverse, we dont know how she knows that someone draining her power would kill her. It's like they just threw her into the story and hoped we'd just buy everything about her.
This movie straight up Ruined Wanda imo. the illuminati was also wasted. Dr Strange 2 was the movie that completely turned me off marvel. I enjoyed Eternals but Dr Strange 2 did not live up to expectations, especially compared to Spiderman No Way Home.
America shouldn't have been in this movie in my opinion. They could've come up with so many different ways to explain the existence of and travel through the multiverse. But instead they just threw her in as the McGuffin. The Loki series literally has no bearing on this movie.
Well I can answer half of your #1 point!
If the demon got ahold of her it could use her powers to bring her back to Wanda. But no I don't know how they got there in the first place. Maybe she summons them while dream-walking.
The rest are all giant plot holes though.
@@ZeroKitsune Yeah i kinda thought about that too but there are like a billion times where the monsters are literally right in front of her or holding her but they dont do anything so idk lol
Oh man, if you have this many questions about a Sam Raimi movie, you should just never watch Army of Darkness. I loved Dr Strange 2 because I'm a horror fan first. It didn't have to try to make everything make sense, because it's a fantasy about wizards. I was also glad that they're willing to kill off characters now, and that the movie didn't become about the Illuminati and all their stupid problems. More brutal deaths like Black Bolt please
Doctor Strange was one of those movies who would lift up phase 4 from the mess but since the director left who had crazy ideas and even experimented on the scenes but they removed every concept and then got Sam Raimi. I was so mad and so sad bc Scott Derrickson is one of the more talented directors that really cared and can actually write a good script and care about the characters. I knew dsmom would get ruined
what was the issue with Scott Derrickson??? why didn't they go with his ideas????
@@vice2versa I think he left because of "creative differences" but I feel like there was something else, they just fired him and I don’t really know the reason why. He could save phase 4 easily but they just let him go
@@tvtaughtmethismess yeah, I wonder what his plans for Dr Strange 2 were going to be? I know he originally wanted it to be a full blown horror movie but I wonder what his plots were? I hope he wasn't going to go with the whole "wandas" the villain BS because that partly ruined the movie for me, that and when she just completely destroyed the illuminati like nothing, basically making every cameo completely unimportant to the story.
@@vice2versa Wanda was technically going to be a villain at the END of doctor strange and nightmare was supposed to be the main villain and he was supposed to trick Wanda and at the end of the movie Dr strange and Wanda would team up but she would eventually get possessed by Darkhold
@@vice2versa illuminati would be different and I think even more comic accurate even Magneto would join and he would recognize Wanda and he would say it’s his daughter and messed up shit. But they removed that and it was a plot leak
"It's the start of her villain arc the continued in MoM"
Except it's not and didn't. It's the arc of her dealing with her grief amidst new powers, at the end she freed everyone and left, vowing to figure out how to control her power, then in MoM that's thrown completely away for a hunt for her kids, which she LET GO in WandaVision!!! Couple that with the fact that the DarkHold's corrupting Wanda makes 0 sense. The Darkhold comes from Cthon, same with Wanda's powers, so why tf wouldn't she be completely immune? And Agatha had it, it didn't really corrupt her, so what gives?
I read that the writer straight up ignored the plan because ONLY HE wanted to use Scarlet Witch and not let OTHER WRITERS do the villain arc. Why didn't Feige straight up fire him right there?
Writer and Director admitted that they did not watch Wandavision :(
Actually, the Darkhold did corrupt Agatha.
Yeah it baffles me when people say that it felt natural for her character arc after WandaVision.
Like...what? She decided to STOP using other people for her own ends at the end of that show and now she just flip-flopped on that and it's supposed to be "natural?"
@@nonsoobieyisi3329Yeah, the Darkhold obviously corrupted Agatha, but I think they mean that it didn’t show on her much. Wanda was delusional and violent while Agatha was grounded and in control.
The scripts were bad, the writing was awful, the humour was cringe, the VFX was rushed and/or unfinished
Dr strange 2 isn't just bad... it's easily the worst super hero movie ever made. The writing is atrocious
It was very goofy but Thor Love and Thunder really sank the ship.
Not even close
Yes, She-Hulk's misandry is "comedy". And I'm a unicorn
No Way Home was the only good movie in Phase 4 of the MCU. And it'll be a curse as well. It had all the fanservice. It had Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland meeting up with each other. But it also had a sense of closure and rewatchability for the Raimi and Webb movies. It benefitted Garfield especially.
In Multiverse of Madness, Professor X says "Just because someone stumbles and loses their path, doesn't mean they're lost forever". It's told to Doctor Strange but it feels hollow compared to No Way Home. It feels more like something that was put in there so fans would be happy that they requoted a line.
There's rumours going around already that Avengers Secret Wars will have a finale that brings in not only Maguire and Garfield, but every iteration of the X-Men and Fantastic Four.
If this is true, and considering the fact that Disney bought 20th Century Fox and Sony changed their deal, it probably is, then Marvel is openly admitting that they're focusing on nostalgic fanservice over storytelling.
Would be weird to see Chris Evans as Johnny Storm again.
I wish Disney hadn't bought out Fox just so Marvel can get their shit back.I like that they're were separate studios making comic book films.
I somewhat enjoyed watching Loki and Hawkeye. They both fell off a lot at the end, but I enjoyed the first few episodes of each.
Loki’s 5th episode was pretty epic imo but I respect yours
Hawekeye screwed up hard at the end. They failed to get kingpin right. We didn't get to see Hawekeye vs kingpin which is really a crime in his own show.
Loki got seriously ruined the moment he got knocked around by human beings
marvel can bounce back if they take these criticisms to heart and focus on quality over quantity
Seems like the noise people have been making regarding this phase is leading them to rethink their approach.
@@movieoverload Any chance the firing of the Disney CEO could change things?
@@dogg-paws let's be realistic here. even if that did change things, the CEO of all of Disney is not stepping down or get fired. Besides the CEO doesn't make the movies
Brilliant video, man! Really astute and absolutely spot on with your criticisms and observations. And great to hear a fellow Australian putting out such good content! We’ll done!
Honestly felt like everything started to look the same, beyond length it just felt like every mcu film felt like a shorter disney plus show vs the mcu Disney plus shows that all felt like way too long movies
Only three Phase 4 projects genuinely caught and kept my attention. Falcon and Winter Soldier, No Way Home, and Moonknight. The character of John Walker kept me in FaWS, of course No Way Home had tons of great nostalgia, and Oscar Isaac's dual role in Moonknight was really good. (Oh, and Shang-chi. I enjoyed that too, I just keep forgetting that it exists)
Very good video with fair critiques of phase 4. Some of it was very good, some ok and some just awful. I agree with most of your takes
I loved the premise and execution of wandavision...until the end, but I was willing to overlook it. Then they threw away all that development, VISION BEING BACK, consequences for Wanda, just threw it out of the window. Doctor Strange 2 was ruined purely because it slapped Wanda into it without actually considering how she would actually behave after what she did, let alone why. Honestly, they needed to remove her or limit her presence so that we can focus on the titular character. Yikes that film was bad. Visually stunning at times, but bad.
Thor love and thunder was the only film I looked forward to. Lady Thor has SO MUCH POTENTIAL!! Natalie Portman looked stunning and was fun to watch with him, but the film itself was sooooo messy. The problem was not in a weaker blander female lead as people thought, but the tonal mess and nonsensical plot and character progression, or rather regression. So very disappointing.
When the Disneyfied Star Wars with Andor is looking better than Marvel, you know there’s something desperately wrong
Phase 5 will kick ass. It was only phase 4.
I feel like Eternals didn’t click with me because I feel like Marvel didn’t do a good job teasing these guys leading up to the film. Like they just threw them out there immediately. Why couldn’t they show up in the third phase with only a few members. But again that’s my take
TWs ego has become far larger than his comedy.
To me, Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night were standouts, and the fact that both were so separated from the MCU made it better
If you read the comics, you would know why both of these were shit adaptations.
Moon Knight (for example) is suppose to be this tough guy in his youth who brutally killed innocent people and children for fun/money before getting betrayed by his mercenary partner "bushman" and dying.
After getting resurrected by Khonshu, Marc Spector seeks redemption for his past life and slowly goes insane from the guilt. In which every key aspect of his superhero career has to be flawless.
If say his Khonshu statue gets broken, the man gets a panic attack from it. Everything must be perfect.
Also Khonshu was never suppose to be real, just a near death hallucination that cause Marc Spector to become a better person in fear/faith of what Khonshu has gifted him.
And Marc Spector was never abused by his mother in the comics.
However Marc Spector as a teenager/young adult would beat up and abuse his Dad for being a "Pathetic loser".
If these projects had Netflix adaptations like Daredevil, you'll probably see why even Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night were Bad Marvel Comic film adaptations.
@@RamsTheNameCom2.0 Couple things 1. You didn't even mention WBN only Moon Knight and WBN was actually pretty comic accurate. 2. Out of all the reason to say that Moon Knight wasn't a faithful adaptation you missed it on almost every case. 3. Khonshu has never been said to be real or not it depends on the writer if he is and it really goes back and forth 24/7 4. In recent runs (Lemir, Bemdis, etc.) MK has a lot more tragic of a backstory and it is stated his DID is due to abuse at a young age and with that he never really was fond of hurting innocent people just did because he needed a leader which Khonshu then filled
@@RamsTheNameCom2.0 if you only read the og run it is different 100% but MK hasn't been the character you're describing in about a decade now and you can't base it off of that
@@irishhotshot6765 Moon Knight's backstory of having his mental illness solely being revolved around his PTSD trauma of killing innocent people during his mercenary days, has always remained canon up until the 2014 Moon Knight run which changed it to "Khonshu being inside his head just gave him brain damaged".
(It was still canon that he wasn't mentally ill until he met Khonshu).
Even in the 2011 Bendis Moon Knight run that gave him DID inspired by the non canon Ultimate Spiderman comics that Bendis also wrote in 2005 (he invented Moon Knight having DID), Moon Knight's mental health issues were still canon as being related to his PTSD from his mercenary days. Bendis didn't know shit about DID.
But it later came back as canon in the Jed Mackay 2021 Moon Knight run as a combination of PTSD from his past of killing and brain damage from Khonshu.
A combination of both Doug Moench 80's canon and Warren Ellis 2014 canon.
(To later be retcon by Jed Mackay a Graphic Novel and 3/4 later, for MCU and comic book synergy. So his DID being related to child hood trauma came back).
The point is, MCU is ignoring almost 40 years of Moon Knight history in order to adapt a Moon Knight story inspired solely from the lore of two comic runs (Jeff Lemire & Max Bemis).
Jeff Lemire 2016 being a polarized Moon Knight run that die hard fans hate because it ruins the whole point of Moon Knight (It's called "All New and All Different" for a reason).
And the Max Bemis 2018 Moon Knight run just being the comic run that everyone hates in general.
Also in interviews, the writer and show runner for the MCU show admits to hating the character and his villains.
He only wanted to make a Moon Knight show for "mental health representation" and that's all.
If Moon Knight didn't have the Jeff Lemire run, the showrunner and people at Marvel Studios would not
be interested in adapting the character.
They only wanted to make a Moon Knight show to virtual signal about Mental Health issues, for a character who's PUNISHMENT is meant to be his mental health issues.
You're suppose to want to see Marc Spector suffer from mental health issues and "laugh at it" because he deserved it. It's kinda like a "Christmas Carol" situation, you see Ebenezer Scrooge as a bad person and you want to see him suffer mentally until he becomes a better person.
If they truly wanted to tell a Mental Health representation story..... just make a Hulk movie or show.
He was always meant to have DID and was abused by his dad as a child every since the 70's comic canon.
It would have been perfect.
@@RamsTheNameCom2.0 Bendis didn't give him DID he made him Scitzo with Wolvie, Cap, and spiderman being voices and figments but throughout there is only one time he acts like the other and that is the strip club. Also idk who you consider to be due hard fans but lemires run is the most popular moon knight series so far even before the show. As well McKay's current run heavily follows Lemires run as well like every MK after 2016 tbh. You may not like it that is a choice but Lemire is the main MK Lord now
A very strong summary, especially the five points at the end.
For me the two braking points were when I got out just completely apathetic from "Love and Thunder".And even more when I saw that ball of crap which is called "Shehulk", portraits the fans as the actual villains of the show.
So I'm on a break with the MCU and hope to return when it will do better...
Yep, you can't expect the fans to watch your shows and films after you attack them.
I find it ironic that the antagonists on She Hulk were misogynistic man babies who hid behind computer screens and you as fans are saying She Hulk portrayed its "fans" as the villains and that's why you hated it lmao
Unfortunately it won’t get better they have reached the point where the comic book industry began to fail manga is currently propping up comic book sales
@@kellylingro3288 That’s because it was written and directed by feminists that hate men. Men and women shouldn’t be hated on in any entertainment. Feminism used to be wanted women to be equal with men. Now it wants women to be better than men. Be kinder bud. Also, look at you, you’re being a good little sheep to the liberal hive mind. You’re using the words they tell you to use in every conversation with any unlike minded people, like “misogynistic.”
@@kellylingro3288 are you saying we shouldn't criticize she Hulk?
The thing that sticks out to be that’s consistent with all of the shows is that getting a glimpse of the heroes in their most vulnerable and human form (Bucky and PTSD, Kamala and her family, Moon Knight and his mental trauma, Wanda and grief) were the strongest parts of Phase 4 whereas when it came to developing a conflict or compelling villain it just fell flat on its face
Oh yeah, no, Sam Raimi should've finished WandaVision before doing MoM, he butchered her just so they could make her an unearned villain.
It wasn't Sam Raimis fault. Micheal Waldron was the writer, and the marvel producers deside where they want the story to go. Sam Raimi did well with what he was given. Alot of his scenes were cut and re-shot which effected the movie. America Chavez was never supposed to be in it. You can tell as she seems like an insert.
I’d say the problem with “Thor: Love and Thunder” wasn’t the comedy per se, but the absence of legit comics. “Ragnorak” worked cuz Thor was the straight man in a strange land. (And surrounded by people with comedic chops.) In “Love and…” they’re relying on Thor to provide the jokes; which isn’t the role of the aforementioned straight man. They’re the one who acts bewildered by their environment.
Nah it was definitely the jokes. Not only crappy jokes, but jokes that remove the tone of the movie. Gorr as the villain? You NEED NEED NEED a dark tone, can’t have Thor joking with Sif AS SHE IS BLEEDING OUT
@@Neon1880 You do make a good case. I don’t know enough about Gorr because no one was reading Thor prior to the Avengers movies. Though I think if they had included actual comics, maybe it would’ve been less terrible?
Though thinking about it, maybe Gorr was part of the problem too. I mean, it’s killing gods. Okay. None of the gods being eliminated were all that established, so they’re the equivalent of an innocent bystander being shot in a Robocop movie. Just background dressing. Perhaps if Marvel had established any of those gods during the previous Galactic crisis, their deaths might have resonated more.
I think that Black Widow is a good movie the problem with It is that we already know how Natashas story ends so we end up just not really caring a whole lot. I think it should have come out right before Infinity War.
This is one of the best marvel reviews I've seen and pretty much agree with you on every project. Spot on phase 4 definitely sucks!! 🤔
This owner of this video only likes the comments that say good job or this is one of the better reviews lol kind of says something there XD
Nah, this dude got the most L opinion, this review was properly trash
Mostly I agree with what you said. A few things:
I really enjoyed Hawkeye, it was surprisingly entertaining. And it has nice Christmas vibes, which is a huge plus. I might rewatch it just for that during the holidays. And was a respectful sendoff for Clint and nice introduction of his heir.
I would've swapped the Eternals and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Make FatWS the 2 hour long movie cos it didn't have as much story behind it to not feel like padding, and Eternals the six hour long series so we get to know these dozen new characters and their struggle with eternal life and everything.
Overall this whole phase feel like a transition between the whole Infinity Stones saga to the next, multiverse/Kang saga. And introducing new characters who can carry the torch onwards.
PS: I feel like the MCU needs to make a new 'Avengers' like starting point with the new heroes. Because if a new viewer tries to jump in and you say if they want to know what's up, they have to watch all the 10 years worth of movies, that'll scare them away. There needs to be a new entry point, with maybe a short summary video on D+ of the past movies and series. (And I feel like they're doing that, with Khamala, Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang, etc.)
The recap thing is Marvel Legends. Short recaps of each character as connected projects release. BP: Wakanda Forever had 2; one on T'Challa and one on the Dora Milaje around the time the film came out.
Nice to see I wasn’t the only one who liked Hawkeye. I certainly would put it above FatWS, and probably even MK, too. (Because of the 2nd half of MK, like he said.)
I enjoyed Hawkeye as well, I’ve always liked Clint as a character and like black widow, deserved a solo movie long ago. That being said, i did think hawkeye was a decent sendoff and one of the better “passing of the torch” moments in phase 4. Plus rodgers the musical was pretty hilarious.
Great idea as well about swapping the falcon and eternals. Never occurred to me but you absolutely nailed it.
Finally I don’t think the mcu had an issue establishing a new avengers kicking off point, but instead they tried to kick off multiple avenger like stories and made the whole thing bloated. Not only did you have new avengers like shang-chi, but they were also introducing a young avengers cast & the thunderbolts. I also suspect that they we’re setting up an disney plus group since some of those characters seemed a bit too small or similar to the main avengers group - not to mention how many avengers there currently are there already. Think it’s going to be one of the main problems moving forward, too much going on for the casual viewer and may out them off.
I agree! I loved Hawkeye, it rounds out his ark and discusses what he did in the 5 years spreading some light on that for people who don't read the comics and had no clue wtf he was doing (like me). Phase four should've been a middle point, not the start of the Multiverse saga but also not the end of the infinity saga, it should've done both have an a and a b side to it maybe with either the movies ending stories started in phases 1-3 discussing and fixing the mess they made in endgame whilst the other brought in new characters so those wanting to end there marvel journey can and can ignore the new characters, the ones just starting out can ignore the ends of the old characters and the others can be along for the ride
I'm actually a ex-MCU fan speaking here and I completely agree with your points. Now then again, I haven't seen all of the movies/shows of phase 4 (namely FATWS, She-Hulk, Wakanda Forever, and all but two episodes of Ms. Marvel) but ever since Love and Thunder, my perception has changed. Also yeah, the fact that we had like 8 projects a year was a bit too much (especially for the CGI workers)
Fun fact: I completely forgot Barry Keoghan was in Eternals until today
Imo the Disney+ shows were a mistake to begin with, just because you can make good films doesn't make you can make TV shows, also there was already a feeling of superhero saturation by the time Endgame released, 22 films over the course of 11 years (most of which I thoroughly enjoyed) in the last 2 years they have released 19 projects, with 1 that is universally appreciated, the next phase needs to have better stats than that or marvel is headed for a nosedive
Phase 4 sucks because a lot of people have agendas that make no sense canonically and writing wise.
Mom was the biggest bomb that turned into an insult for me. Spidey was mighty fine but the final scenery at the statue of liberty at night kinda killed the ending for me. Eternals I enjoyed with plenty of wasted potential but still. Thor was dumb but I took as a fever alternate reality dream. Black panther is still ahead of me and boy do I not look forward to that.
The next Avengers movie will be an all female team! I am so confident with that prediction. Almost every single male character has been replaced with a female counterpart.
Antman is rumoured to be killed off in Quantamania with Cassie taking over. I can see that happening!
The MCU needs to get it together or they're gonna end up like the ultimate universe.
The creators of SheHulk flat out said before the show came out that they were a intimidated on how the audience would react to the show, and they were right! I mean wtf did they make? When he said after the show was over, what was the point of all this? And that, word for word is how I felt when I watched the finale 😂
Marvel over the years have often used Wanda as a lazy villain and then totally had her known powers expand to reach the level of absurdity without training just to push some narrative like strip all mutants of their powers. Seeing she did actually start as a villain, sure, but where Rogue never went back on it, Wanda seems like the go to when they have no other villain for their grandiose story plan. WandaVision gets a lot of MCU props when it's just a retread of a very old Wanda and the Vision miniseries plot run back in the 80s and the subsequent removal of plot elements after the writer left them (a.k.a. the kids were determined a figment of Wanda's imagination only because next writers didn't want to deal with them/didn't like them). Disney is super lazy and it's clearly rubbing off on their MCU property staff.
The one thing that was bad was Sylvie. She was boring.
The Phase 4 shows are a mixed bag. Moon Knight and Loki have to be the best ones, the others are just mediocre or bad, like What If…?
1. Spider-Man No Way Home
2. Black Panther Wakanda Forever
3. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
4. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
5. Black Widow
6. Eternals
7. Thor Love and Thunder
1. WandaVision
2. Werewolf By Night
3. The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special
4. Loki
5. Ms. Marvel
6. The Falcon and The Winter Soldier
7. Moon Knight
8. Hawkeye
9. What If
10. She-Hulk
I agree with your Series List.
But i'd put Wakanda Forever in 4th place. MCU should Have recast Black Panther. You don't go see Superman to see Lois Lane and he's mom
The MCU won't ever come back and that's sad
Entirely agree with eternals. Not bad, but distinctly average. Not what I was hoping for a marvel project with rob stark and Jon snow
It should have been a tv show.
@@sosoadja7663 Truly ironic because most of their shows would’ve been better served by being movies.
As you were explaining the Thor bit it dawned on me that maybe* the skrulls have already arrived. Cos that film offends me deeply I can’t say it enough how much I hate it and when you listed all of Thor’s tribulations leading to that film I’m just hoping that even if it’s retrospectively they tell us that it wasn’t really him in that film
@@Sienisotabut it wouldn’t make sense how Thor beat Gorr
You really can’t take Thor love and thunder seriously. I will agree that this storyline deserved more gravitas and reverence… it’s enjoyable if you’re high and just having a laugh
And worst cgi ever
@@liltree8382 the movie has one scene with bad cgi lol n it's not even important
They quit hiring actual writers and focused on an agenda over a storyline.
What I liked:
Wanda Vision
Loki and female Loki
Spiderman
Bucky and Falcon running around being Bros
Kamala is annoying yet likable
Acting all around in BP2 is stellar except female Ironman
What I didn’t like:
MCU is full on the MSheU now
The ending of Wanda Vision
The ending and plot to Falcon and Winter soldier
Everything about Moon Knight
Celestials being weak AF (same criticism with Ego in Guardians 2)
Black Panther being played by a side character who was the worst thing about BP1
What was plain terrible:
Thor Love and Thunder (fire watiti)
She Hulk (fire the writers and producers)
GOTG 2 is awesone
Addition of Disney plus is the root cause of all the problems phase 4 has. Disney basically forced Marvel or Kevin to churn out content for their platform and led them to lose focus. They should only focus on the movies and focus on producing the best content otherwise they will fail.
I still have faith in the MCU. I have convinced myself that this phase is like filler content we see in anime and real stuff is yet to come we just have to endure it.
I’ll never understand the defense for multiverse of madness, I hated it just as much as Thor, expect I enjoyed Thor stoned lol
I didn't even know Phase 4 ended.
I'm glad it did end this was a very lame start without Robert Downey Jr Iron man I knew it was going to suck.
great vid, this really nailed down why I've been feeling increasingly burnt out with the MCU over phase 4. While I did enjoy some of the movies/series after a while keeping up with them started to feel like homework, like "guess I gotta watch this to follow what's going on in the next movie" or whatever. I watched Hawkeye and Ms Marvel and both had occasional enjoyable moments but tbh now I can barely remember a thing that happened in them. And then we got to She Hulk and I just felt straight up insulted by the ending lol, I think that was finally what made me go 'okay I'm done', no more watching mediocre shows out of loyalty/obligation. I agree that there's a massive quantity over quality issue, but given that the MCU is basically too big to fail idk how likely that is to change at this point.
Three of the biggest problems is that everything is a part of a big storyline, they keep trying to build on the MCU, and it's all connected. They had a really hard time beating what they did with Thanos, but they also are very frantic to make things bigger and more complicated. On top of that, since it's one big story, they are forced to build upon the messes they made in phase five, which means, while it could get better, it's probably lost. Almost none of what they're doing is working, and the old films are undeniably BETTER.
It’s hilarious to see the fluctuating definition of “political” used here as the identity of the character changes. Wonder why that could be.
Women are the political gender
This was such a great video and my first thought was "Why the hell does that voice sound so damn familiar??" Only did I realize it was The Ozzy Jedi (who I watched for years)!!!
Hello there
I still can't get over that BEE in Multiverse of madness.
I feel like she hulk was wasted potential, a legal comedy that gets to the behind the scenes of a super hero filled world would have been awesome, but marvel COMPLETELY missed the mark
This might be unpopular, but hear me out...
What if... instead of Thanos snapping half the people to die, he transported them to another universe, and that's the end of phase 3.
*Then* they transition into what is right now the multiverse saga, and the goal of phase 4 is to get the other avengers back, but at the end of phase 4, they end up unleashing Kang or something to wreck the universe, and they have to go through the multiverse to stop him, and then the story goes on from there...
I just thought of that for some reason and I had to tell someone, so there
The downsides are that there's no Endgame and probably are without No Way Home, but that sacrifice is up to you
Unrelated but finally, someone else who thought Loki was the best Marvel show is phase 4
Shang chi and No Way Home was the only movies I liked from the recent MCU Movies..
I remember watching End Game on premiere and the atmosphere was so good
Nah, the return of Trevor in Shang chi was actually set up YEARS ago in a MCU short. Him being there actually made sense.
Yeah IDK what this guy is talking about. However I do agree that phase 4 has been pretty garbage but I think it was Dr Strange 2 that really hurt this phase going forward.
The stones as paperweights does make sense at least, because outside of their universe, they won't work anywhere else, so until they go back to their universe, their just shiny paperweights
Half of these movies don't even feel like movies. They're like straight to VCR movies, just embarrassing.
I simply didn’t like Loki due to the complete failure of the writing. They spent 6 hours shitting on Loki as a character after rushing his development in the first episode. They propped Sylvie up to be the superior and made OG Loki look like an idiot and incompetent (cough, train scene). This show should have used the massive plot device, aka the machine that can show any time in his life, and use it to highlight why he became who he was. They could’ve done so much more than a cheap therapy session with mobius and him getting kicked in the balls until he said he was a narc. The show seems to want you to be mad at him at times, which yeah, villain, but fails to realize the reasons why he became that person. They didn’t touch on Thanks at all, and, for some reason, thought Avengers Loki (aka mind control Loki) was how he acted always. Same issue with Thor 3. :/
I liked the show, but I felt it strange why they didn't delve into the beginning of his origin story. Like for me his struggles started from Thor 1 when he literally became a villain and betrayed his friends and family and basically had a breakdown. Then they show how he became who he was in Avengers after meeting Thanos in which there was no going back.
Most of the Phase 4 shows had a great start, but always loses its way in the end. She-Hulk was just unwatchable from the first minute. Also I can’t believe you didn’t use a clip of Zemo dancing.
At this point DC is catching up. Black Adam was better than all phase 4 combined 🤷♀️🤷♀️(but spiderman and Shang Chi) 25:04
Marvel Phase 4 critique where NWH isn't exempt from criticism challenge (impossible)
Great vid. Indeed this was a messy phase, alot of blunders. Another flaw it has is relying on persons to watch the Disney + shows for eg if you didnt watch WandaVision then Wandas arc in Strange 2 would make no sense.
To me the only things worthwhile in this Phase are:
-Spidey NWH
-Shang Chi
-Panther 2
-Strange 2
-What If
Everything else is forgettable or straight up crap such as Loki which basically omitted free will from the MCU so every pivotial moment in Phases 1-3 lose their weight/value such as Tonys sacrifice as it was all "scripted" kmmttt absolute rubbish. And other garbage products in this phase of course included Thor 4 and She-Hulk Sigh smh
How can you say Trevor Slattery was a weird addition? He played an in-universe fake Mandarin, and this movie features the real one! Duuuhhhhhh. Of course you put him in.
The one thing that sticks out to me the most about this video essay is if the show/movie is worth rewatching, because for me personally I never get tired of rewatching fase 2 and 3 but this fase?? Only No Way Home is worth it for me
I genuinely love the the first part of Wandavision, but the last episodes were so bad I couldn’t even finish the show. That’s my biggest problem with phase 4. The 3rd act in all works is just simply bad and there doesn’t seem to be a plan when they are trying to end a movie or a show.
I thought that the show was interesting up until the sitcom was over. I went in blind and figured they were genuinely doing a sitcom, liked it, and flaked as soon as they started pulling the “Wanda enslaved a whole town and forced them to share her nightmares”
yeah i think it would've been nice for Wandavision to be a funny sitcom show that didn't really have any plot relevance and was just for people to stay interested in Marvel during Covid. Same with Loki, I love Loki so much but he's had his character arc, had his plot relevant story, if you want to do fanservice with him let him have a funny little show maybe about before even the first Thor with shenanigans in Asgard or his time in sekar and how he got the grandmasters favour. They could've done so much with him without undoing his sacrifice in infinity war
It really truly frustrates me how shows just don’t have good endings anymore. Game of Thrones is the clear example of this, but look at any of the new marvel shows, any of the new Star Wars shows (not including clone wars) and many others. It’s a recurring theme that has to change.
Andor season 1 had an amazing ending.
Multiverse of Madness was "Turn Your Brain off"-similar to Thor Love and Thunder, except instead of turn-your-brain-off-to-comedy, it was turn-your-brain-off-to-a-massive-clusterfuck
The biggest problem is the lack of continuity. We have no idea what's going on in the MCU anymore.
For example in the Infinity Saga, we knew exactly what was happening every year :
- In 2012: the formation of the Avengers.
- From 2013 to 2014: The direct consequences of the Battle of New York among the characters and SHIELD (Hydra).
- In 2015: The Avengers must protect the world alone without SHIELD. So everyone depends on them to solve the big problems.
- In 2016 the Avengers must answer for their actions given all the destruction they cause.
- From 2016 to 2018: The Avengers are separated. Team Iron Man remains Avengers but controlled by the UN while Team Capis on the run.
- From 2018 to 2023: The blip, until Endgame when everyone returns.
But in Phase 4, we have no idea what happens in 2023, 2024 or 2025. I think there's even a series set in 2027... Wtf!???
There is no focus or direction. We don't even know what happened to the Avengers. Like... Does the team still exist? If so, where are they? What are they doing? And who are the members? Every movie/series so far has conveniently avoided answering these questions.
Phase 4 should focus on the consequences of the blip in all aspects with the Avengers at the center of it all. Like does the world trust the Avengers again after the blip, or not? What threat is coming? What is everything that's happening right now heading towards? Because during the whole Infinity Saga since Avengers 1, we knew that whatever was happening was going to Thanos.
Here it seems to be going towards Kang... Okay, so instead of the consequences of the blip, the MCU is focusing on the multiverse? Why not. It's kind of out of nowhere because it has nothing to do with the blip, but at least it would be a direction and can give continuity.
Except that out of 15 projects in Phase 4, only 3 talk about the multiverse! Loki, NWH and Dr. Strange 2. But none of them have anything to do with what happens in the other one! The events of NWH have no relation with the events of Loki and Dr. Strange 2! There are no consequences or advancement of the narrative. Each solo project seems to do its own thing with the multiverse and that's it, instead of these 3 projects being a continuation of each other. Like Loki causes the events of Dr. Strange 2, and Dr. Strange 2 causes the events of NWH. Why isn't there that!? That's how it worked in Infinity Saga!
Only Ant Man 3 seems to finally bring the events of Loki, Dr. Strange 2 and NWH together, but that's phase 5, and even then after Ant Man 3 we still don't understand exactly where it's going. And the worst thing is that there is only Loki season 2 to continue talking about the multiverse before Avengers 5 and 6, which will be the "conclusion" of the Multiverse saga. That's not enough at all.
I think phase 4 was really rushed and they never really got time because of covid and everything, they didn’t really have time to prepare. And they did a lot of reshoots and it all was a complete mess. They should have just delayed every project so they could have time