Secret Invasion - What A Piece Of S***
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Secret Invasion is a television program that is second only to She-Hulk in terms of how terrible a product the MCU can produce. Join me for a breakdown and review as a dissect how this show went sideways and ruined an adaptation of a fan-favorite comic book event.
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0:00 - Well… THAT happened
1:05 - What DID happen here?
03:44 - The story
04:17 - The concept: a failure
08:57 - The conflict: ludicrous
11:50 - Nick Fury: absolutely wasted
13:35 - Maria Hill: an unceremonious end
14:45 - Rhodey: character assassination
16:03 - The finale: they’ll never live this down
18:06 - Civil War: blueprint on adaptation
18:40 - The MCU blame game
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when they started bringing on directors and writers who have never seen/studied any previous MCU title, and are proud of that fact, the MCU was doomed.
Speaking of Doom I have a feeling they're gonna ruined him.
Feige himself said he doesn't want writers who know about comics. Like wtf bro
so there's no one in the studio who's checking for things like continuity or lore of the universe?
Same thing thats happened to every other beloved property
Yeah, you said it. Facts 💯
I liked the part where Fury said he couldn't call in any Avengers, because a humanity extinction level threat was "personal"
Especially being in the same episode where we find out a perfectly practical reason for preventing a (potentially bloody) fight between Avengers and Skrulls specifically after Avenger blood. I guess practicality doesn't sound as tough?
So ridiculous it’s beyond belief 😂
And then he made out with a green alien.
And that right there is a major problem with marvel, the inability to tell personal stories because it always has to be a world ending event... what have any of these heroes done for their communities or even cities?
Yes it was personal. And Honestly I’m not defending Nick on that issue, But even so, he is Right!
Nick Fury was right in saying that calling the Avengers would be a mistake due to the Fact the Skrolls he trained have the advantage in espionage tactics and being able to Shapeshift into anyone! He said this to Skroll Rhody during their chat.
But I do agree that the Rest of the show is Crap.
Remember when Joel took full responsibility for the failure of Batman and Robin,and didn’t blame the fans?
Good times.
It wasnt even his fault. It was corporate mandates, exactly what we're seeing here too.
@@MisterSandmanAUIn my opinion, it's not just corporate mandates anymore. It's in the culture of whole companies now. From top to bottom. Wokeness, attacking fans/customers, feelings of entitlement, subversion of expectations, not caring for profit etc. A good portion of employees believe in those things, many in executive positions.
@rockprime1136 if you believe wokeness is the issue here, you are the one buying into manipulative buzzwords meant to distract from the real shortcomings of the media coming out, would any of the recent bombs have better quality if the cast was switched to be less diverse? No, because they have shit writing, because they look down on the intelect of the viewers, and each time i see someone blaming "wokeness" it becomes clearer to me why studios believe audiences are too dumb to know better
@@rockprime1136So basically corporate mandates
@@rockprime1136 That's... corporate mandates. Also "wokeness" is just a right wing buzzword that changes meaning betweeen person.
"Killing a beloved character shouldn't be off limits, it's all in the execution."
I see what you did there.
Here before this blows up
Reminds of a very specific game too
@@Highweaver2 I still hate Abby.
@@AboveW F*ck Abby. I just (literally 2 hours ago) came out of a TLOU Part II related argument on the Nier subreddit of all places.
@@AboveWWho doesn't?
Someone said "Peacemaker is a better secret invasion story than secret invasion" and I 100% agree with that.
Fr dude. Hell, the opening credits for Peacemaker alone are better than this show 😂
peacemaker was surprisingly great just off the humor alone lol
Damn, I forgot about Peacemaker, it was a lot better, more intriguing. Secret Invasion didn't even try.
Good comparison 😂 you’re 1000% right about this one.
Ah, Peacemaker was fucking brilliant! And I hated all the other DC films, apart from The Suicide Squad, of course.
What’s so insulting about this is major actors like Samuel Jackson and Emilia Clarke being wasted on trash shows
Not just them. Kingsley Ben-Adir is a very good rising actor. Ben Mendelsohn is underrated. Don Cheadle is a bona fide great actor and Olivia Colman is one of the best actors of our generation. They all did what they could, but the writing and direction of this pile of trash was unimaginably bad.
another reason Disney is drowning in debt : massively overpaying for name recognition instead of good writers
@@jabron.destoroyahI would too it’s a good show
Sam Jack making out with a green space alien and being portrayed as a useless man dragged through the mud was exactly what he deserves as a male actor for modern Disney.
Not to mention a great storyline. The Secret Invasion series is so dark, perfect for an amazing paranoia filled spy thriller. And they ruined one of the best supervillains, the Superskrull. I cannot understand the disdain for the source material when the ideas that replace it are so crappy. 😢
This show expects you to ignore the fact that Nick Fury could have asked: Tony and Bruce to make a probe to find a planet, Thor to let the Skrulls live on Asgard or New Asgard or use the Rainbow Bridge to find a new home in one of the different realms, Dr. Strange to find a dimension, Scott Lang to find a home in the Quantum Realm, or the Guardians of the Galaxy and the Nova Corp to find a planet. And, of course, Carol Danvers was also supposed to be finding a planet anyway.
Multiple movies have gone by where Nick could have said something about the Skrulls! Why would he never tell them about these aliens when they work with aliens all the time?
Carol Danvers was at the intergalactic hair dresser beauty center figuring out a new hairstyle for herself.
Or the fact that Skrull Rhodey had already been to The Garden where Thanos lived and knew how to get there. All he had to do was ask Nick Fury for ships to transport their people there. Nick could have easily called the Guardians and had them bring some Ravager freight ships.
"I don't care if I'm risking the fate of the world cause this is personal"
@@BlackSun6393or thor to open up a bifrost bridge
It would have better if the Skrulls wanted to own the Infinity Stones. The time travel and what happened to the stones never got revealed to the public so they too don't know were it went.
Initially they resented Nick for not giving them their own home but later after seeing how much valuable the stones were they became greedy and ditched Nick's help and went to universe conquering rampage. Them threatening 3rd World War if the stones were not given to them is just the beginning.
Or most of them were disguising as human during Blip but as Avengers reversed it. They again, for 2nd time lost their home. This + Nick's neglect made them vengeful. Yeah, kinda like the terrorist grp from TFAWS.
Of course Skrulls will never get the stones but the story will hv strong tension and weight and better connection to MCU.
Rhodey being a skrull also murders Stark's character. Remember Tony helped Rhodey through the whole rehab process, even creating the cybernetics for Rhodey. But apparently no one noticed Rhodey was actually an alien. How would that operation go?
Random doctor: "Uhm Mr. Stark? The patient isn't human?"
Stark: "what do you mean?"
Doctor: "The patient is a different species, an alien, and it looks like it can shapeshift and already walk"
Stark: "give him the cybernetics anyway I'm sure its fine"
For fuck sake
Rhodey was never able to walk again. He needed braces on his legs that Toney built I think. In the scene in secret invasion he doesn’t have the braces, I assume the skrulls took them to play the part better. Not trying to insult you I just thought about it and came to the comments to see if anyone had the same thought as me.
The audacity of Disney+ to raise the price of their subscription after giving us all these complete garbage shows
The audacity of Disney to hire A.I. "writers" to mass produce more of this crap.
Disney + lowkey lost me after She Hulk
@@eatatjoes6751 They hired AI writers to increase the quality of the writing
buy a smart stb, it's so mych better then just having multiple subscriptions
I KNOW PROBABLY THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO KILL DISNEY FOR SURE
Fury: You can't keep depending on these superheroes to swoop in and save our asses
*Proceeds to depend on a superhero*
Are we supposed to depend on The Jedi or Clint Eastwood riding a horse to save people in the MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE? 😂😂
@@Darkstar_DayneIkr That line doesn't make sense
@@Darkstar_Daynesupposed to rely on a way to stop the Skrulls or end it at them taking over....not this crap we got
The whole point behind the Avengers Initiave was to have those superheroes swooping in and saving asses, or maybe I misunderstood the whole thing 🤔
@@spartanmuse Maybe Fury has long term memory loss
You forget the "why blame Nick Fury and not Carol Danvers...the person that fly all over the Galaxy?"
And couldn't they give the skrulls the planet that thanos went to in infinity war
the same planet that James Rhodes (who was a Skrull since Civil War) Visited, this Garbage of a show put more holes in the MCU than a Effing Swiss Cheese.
Uhhhh cause she’s not on earth so they take it out on him by proxy? I dunno i didn’t write this mess…
@@arnaldoalange3869or hell, they can move to Knowhere.
It's a massive station, habitable, space for everyone, full of different species, and they've got protection from the guardians of the galaxy
My biggest problem is that at the end of Captain Marvel, she was tasked with finding the Skrulls a planet and even had a space station. Somehow, she was forgotten about.
Doesn't sounds like the type of superhero you should root for lol
@@XavierZazi Yeah, it's crazy that they initially said that she wasn't helping out on Earth because she was helping other alien races. I kinda assumed she was helping the Skrulls but I guess she wasn't even doing that.
Yeah, it is funny how the least powerful person in this whole situation gets all the blame. Meanwhile, Captain Marvel and the super-advanced civilization are like "wHy CanT u FInD A plAnEt!?!"
I thought that was because everyone hates Brie Larson.
She was too busy fighting for women equality😂
If Disney thinks we're paying an increased price for the crap they produced this year they are going to have a rude awakening.
@@farewell6997I blame that on normies that still consume this dreck.
@@farewell6997
Disney is LOSING billions of dollars every quarter, in the parks, movies and streaming. Is there some other division where they’re making bank? Action figures?
@@farewell6997cuz there's more than their recent mess on there to watch
People seem to forget that
They don't understand that a losing bet is still a losing bet, no matter the amount. And they are betting big.
@@woebringer7884 Megyn Kelly said that The Walt Disney Company's emphasis on “wokeness” has cost it nearly $1 billion at the box office due to “flops” such as “Lightyear,” “The Little Mermaid” and “Elemental.”
Looks like not only AI made the show’s intro, it also wrote the “script”
AI would have honestly done better. This and much of Marvel’s other content now seems like it was written by 7 year olds or Vin Diesel
@@manavbhalla2861 shit, I'd take FF's mindless entertainment over this any day
if only AI wrote that
This is what will happen to our media if studio execs get their way ... we are seeing the future
@@thegrammarpolice69
I can’t call them mindless “entertainment”. The last FF movies are snore fest.
It's weird how "hero turns old and out of touch and needs to get back in the saddle" has become a trend. Some of my favorite stories like Unforgiven, Logan, Rocky Balboa, Creed and even Metal Gear Solid and Batman Beyond use it. It's such a great premise for exploring a character, but so many modern writers do such a crap job at it.
they can't even do Ctrl+C Ctrl+V properly
Unlike the previous batch of writers, these noob writers are lacking in quality life experiences. And it shows in their writing.
Red was also a good one, and The Equalizer movies.
yup cause in this case its a cheap way to write them out a story and use the story to instead retire them for new better women version, of course fury is in marvels so that couldn't happen (yet) but lets be real, the M.O. is clear in every time its used badly, miracle Logan was as put together as it was
Maria Hill would’ve worked great as the POV character of this show. She’s clearly been groomed as Fury’s successor, BY FURY! That would’ve allowed him to keep his mysterious status. And set up a “is this Fury or a Skrull?” tension.
The one time Marvel had actually developed a good female character to take over for a male, and had the perfect opportunity to execute it too.. But clearly Jackson is too important and cool to be replaced. Granted, they likely would have still found a way to mess it up, but you're right!
@@chromasus9983 I don’t think he needed to be replaced. Hill would just be the POV so Fury can maintain his mystery. Like in True Grit or Dredd. It’d be a two-hander but we see the other character most from the perspective of the other.
and that's what I hoped cause I've seen her take the mantle as director of SHIELD in other media
@BrettRyans
Please don't use the word "groomed" when talking about a Disney property.
And they could add some comedic things too, have several skrulls pose as Fury and when they meet, it's unclear who is the higher ranking one, and even have the real Fury listen in on that (he's a spymaster after all) to make things more complicated and do some xanathos speed chess and poker at the same time.
But that's probably too expensive.
There were so many issues with this TV show but the one that bugs me the most is when Skrulls change their shape, they change their clothing.
Is it like that in the comics tho? We do have to remember on some level the source material is goofy aswell
@@mopnem nope it ain't, when spider man and elektra where revealed as skrulls, they wore the same costumes, only there body would change.
HOT 🔥 GARAGE DISNEY'S DISASTER SECRET INVASION HOT 🔥 GARAGE 🗑🔥
I can't tell if it was easy or hard for VFX crew to do this frequently
@@brandonscott5544 umm.. sir, it's garbage. Sound it out and say it with me now; G-A-R-B-A-G-E. Hot Garage? Sounds like a cheesy porno starring your mother.
The most egregious crime this series has committed against its legacy characters (apart from Rhodes, of course) is when then literally have Talos VOMIT to the audience that he and the rest of the skrulls were the ones responsible for Fury's rise in the ranks of SHIELD.
Honestly, if this is the level of writing we have to expect from future projects, I find it hard that Marvel will survive another 5 years.
no way did they really butcher Fury's legacy accomplishments like that?
stopped watching marvel films after endgame. stopped watching shows after Moon Knight. Anyone gullible enough to maintain a D+ subscription and see a marvel film these days only have themselves to blame for the continued mediocrity, just wait for reviews to come out first.
@@pradeepdungdung4379 yes they did
@zacharyjackson1829 gaurdians of the galaxy 3 was good. End game was definitely the end of the MCU main story. They should have just started over in another dimension and start out a new story from scratch. The fact that the earth in the MCU has so much going on in it is kind of ridiculous.
Who in the HELL thought that having Rhodey as a Skrull from Civil War’s ending onwards was a good idea? That is impressive that the writers think fans are fine with this guy not knowing that f***ing Tony Stark, his friend died.
What i don't understand here is why isn't there some people at the MCU whose job is to make sure the story is consistent with the history of everything? Don't they know their fans?
They know and they hate them
Didn't Peter Jackson hire on people like that when making LOTR? No surprise all 6 of those movies were amazing (yes even the Hobbit trilogy).
Speaking of, I bet people nowadays aren't so quick to shit on the Hobbit trilogy anymore. Because yes it made some big changes but it didn't take a crap on the lore or insult the fans. Unlike most Hollywood movies made now that already have an established franchise.
@@SolarisKaneThe Hobbit trilogy looks like a goddamn masterpiece compared to Rings of Power.
@@GabesEdtiz Similarly the Star Wars prequel trilogy is a masterpiece compared to Disney's sequel trilogy. Except the prequel trilogy is still bad, whereas I really do enjoy the Hobbit trilogy as much as if not more than the LOTR trilogy. Bilbo's initial encounter with Smaug is by far my favorite scene in all 6 movies. And I don't even like the Hobbit book, it has too many character inconsistencies and annoyances which thankfully Jackson fixed. Like in the book the dwarves when encountering the then unknown threat of the trolls go in one at a fucking time as the trolls catch each one in a sack. It wasn't until the last dwarf, Thorin, that he gets suspicious something in strange, but he gets caught anyway. The movie does it so much better and makes the combat-hardened dwarves not look like they have the tactics of an infant. And other things like in the book EVERYONE is insufferably nice to each other and it gets on my nerves. But the things that worked like Bilbo's encounter with Gollum and Smaug are taken almost straight from the book. They truly are underrated films and get too much hate.
@MiguelDurazo
You're assuming they care about story, continuity, or the fans.
The MCU has taken the audience for granted. It’s like when a relationship first starts and both sides are on their best behavior. Then, they get comfortable and complacent and stop trying.
MCU has gained weight and started Dutch ovening in the bedroom.
The MCU has become a modern feminist woman..
They are taking a self-destructing path trying to live off the fame they once had while putting out works at best mediocre. They stopped seeing audience as something they have to keep attracting and instead take for granted the money.
Can we stop pretending that Emilia Clarke is an imposing physical presence. Even if she's holding a small rifle it looks massive compared to her.
I don't understand why they hired her when they wanted someone with imposing figure.... the same happened with Genisys
Maybe because “she” was imposing in GOT. But in reality she was granted imposing status by proxy due to her dragons.
They misunderstand her appeal. She’s a tiny, TINY woman. She’s very cute. She’s more fit for a romcom or a drama, not an action movie.
😅
@@Snowflakesonlypawswell yeah but prior to the scene where she blows the whole city up she wasn't imposing whatsoever. The reason she was imposing was cause of the scene we just watched and the gravity of burning an entire city to the ground
The part that gutted the show for me was the revelation that Fury was carried by skrulls almost from the beginning of his days with shield. The show doesn't JUST verbally abuse Fury, they belittle almost all of his accomplishments.... so that the verbal abuse is partially justified................ not to mention every time Fury is verbally abused he basically has no come back. Where other MCU shows/films take the piss out of legacy characters by just having them act pathetic/dumb, THIS show has to thoroughly assassinate their entire role in the MCU. He's basically become a motivational speaker of sorts.
At this point I'm wondering what he's going to be like in The Marvels, and while phase 4/5 have revealed to audiences that the showrunners don't even watch previous shows to check much continuity at all; this time I'm hoping this is the case.
Ikr they keep retconning shit that skrull wife the skrulls themselves in CM its so ridiculous smh
The Marvels is probably going to bomb tbh.
@@GabesEdtiz Hopefully, the more they bomb the sooner this maggot infested carcass that is the MCU can be put to rest.
Disney could just hire a writer that has experienced making a spy movies/series and that's it. Best series ever.
What happened to the Captain America: Winter Soldier one?
@@jtho8937 It probably costed more than 50 dollars to hire him.
That or they actually tried having him aboard, but the idea he pitched was so decent and functional that it burned the producers's skins by exposing them to quality, getting him kicked out of the production.
@@Ff323S i think that's actually more the reason. A good writer would want to tell a coherent story, instead of just inventing a reason for two action scenes per episode
talented writers push back against studio interference.... and we all know how Disney feels about that....
I think secret invasion should have been a whole arc. Movies/shows that build up to it, through heroes acting slightly different or things happening due to Skrulls infiltration of the government, and newer heroes needing to clean up the mess. A bigger name movie towards the end of the arc having a cliffhanger that ends with one of the heroes "dying," but it turns out to be a skrull, and everyone is confused as hell. Then, an avengers type movie with them discovering a few more of them are skrulls, and by the end, you know, secret invasion is over. Everyone is happy.
@@OrtegaSauce the comics were about the Skrull sabotaging avengers and xmen operations creating a mass Paranoia about not trusting anyone because they could be Skrulls
Audience: We expect this to not be a piece of garbage.
Director: I’m not here to fulfil your expectations.
Expectations: subverted
I feel a little bad for Emilia Clarke, everything she gets cast in just goes to complete shit
She's rich, pretty, well liked and is still regarded as a good actor despite being in some turds. She's doing just fine
Why? She can't act her way out of a paper bag. "But muh game if thrones!" After that? Exactly. One trick pony. Don't feel bad.
Emilia was incredible in the final seasons of Game of Thrones. She really sold Daenerys' conviction in the "faith in myself" speech, the anguish of every loss she suffers, and the rage in the moment she just _snaps_ and blows everything up. Hell, I thought she was a solid Sarah Connor in Terminator Genisys, even though that movie was an overcomplicated mess.
Blame the writers, directors and showrunners for when projects like those crumble. The actors are, oftentimes, doing the best they can with what they've got.
@@WarlockX4 the problem is that she keeps getting cast in these "geek" roles, to call them something. I bet she'll eventually get a role in a serious movie and she'll remind people how good of an actress she can be. Robert Pattison had it way worse initially and he managed to eventually be recognized as a really good actor instead of pale teenager from cringe movie series
@@WarlockX4lmao TF are you talking about? She is a great actress who has even been great in terrible stuff. Terminator Genesis, Secret Invasion. Both terrible properties in which she was great.
I'm pretty sure someone briefed Fury that there was an entire unpopulated Thanos planet out there. That could have worked.
And War Machine was there at the time. 😂😂
@@Darkstar_Dayneso was danvers
@Darkstar_Dayne Not just War Machine; Cuz if we're to believe the Timeline now made by this show, *_SKRULL WAR MACHINE._*
Skrull Rhodey knew about Planet Thanos and she probably knew about Nowhere _(The Guardians)_ *AND MOST LIKELY **_New Asgard too._*
So we're supposed to believe Skrull Rhodey just had Intel on *_AT LEAST THREE_* possible places for them to live, and she just never mentioned it to Fury, Sofia, *_OR GRAVIK._*
It's like every new MCU Showrunner wants to be the one to completely ruin the lore beyond repair.
Too bad they all forgot about Maximov. She could have solved the issues of this show by mind controling the world into thinking Skrulls were always there. Or that they couldnt be seen. She could run them to any number of alternate Earths , or if shes really the most powerful....make a perfect planet for them.
Guardians pooped the bed by not looking for a planet, ferrying Skrulls to Thanos planet, or even Knowwhere.
Danvers pooping the bed as well for all the exact same reasons.
Strange could have dumped them in the mirror dimension.
Literally any other plan than wipe out Earth.
About the Rhode retcon I don’t think it’s as bad as the stone being paper weights it’s as bad as Sindel being evil the hole time.
“I don’t read reviews… because my art is a dialogue with the audience.” After suffering through this show, I’m not surprised at all to learn the director literally doesn’t understand what dialogue is. 😂
There are times where I genuinely wonder if the people in Hollywood forget that theirs is a paid service. I don't see how else they can justify some of their behavior, or spending habits.
you can only poke the bear for so long, keep poking it and you'll be eviserated
@@Cruddy129”Keep poking the bear and you’re bound to get mauled.”
- The Governor
They'll treat Rhodes / Warmachine like they did Loki in his TV show -- they'll just assume Rhodes knows everything that happened to his Skrull counterpart because they won't want to deal with the implications of this stupid show.
If you read Secret Invasion it is a well-written and compelling story with huge implications in the Marvel universe. Feige actually told the director and writers not to read this and just kind of wing it. Let that sink in. Feige told them to just cobble together something and gave them a dump truck full of money. This is why this mini series became a three hour and a bit of total unwatchable trash.
Comparing nick Fury from captain America Winter soldier to Secret invasion. Hahahah, I'm no longer invested in nick Fury.
Do you have a source on that information? Not saying ur lying I want to know where you heard it.
I don't know which one frustrates me more Ant Man 3 or secret invasion
@@frostyfilmwatcher2148 Virtually anything/everything written in the Marvel comics is better than anything produced by Disney in the past 2 years. Sorry if you missed the good stuff.
The Hollywood is not so secretly invaded by people who passionately hate the original stories they adapt and I cannot understand how this is still happening.
The funniest thing about the show is that She-Hulk already took the piss out of the blood plot line last year, you can tell these teams didn't talk to each other
Yea for She-Hulk being a joke of a show it totally roasted the fuck out of this which is supposed to be a golden perfect project of the MCU. I also wanna mention that I actually finished She-Hulk but couldn't watch the whole first episode of Secret Invasion
I’m glad someone else noticed this 😂
PSA: Agents of Shield did Secret Invasion better.
God that show was so underrated.
agreed
It kinda wasn’t though. It suffered from the same issues as the rest of the never-ending CW soap operas like Flash and Green Arrow - too diluted, too bland, too cheap and too background-y. They did their best with the budget they had and they covered a lot of ground lore-wise, but it was still a pretty subpar show to be honest
Falcon didn't shoot Rhodey, Vision did. Falcon just moved out of the way. What was he supposed to do, hold still and take the hit?
Yeah, I really don't understand why people don't pay attention to that scene better.
At this point I'm starting to think they are ruining everything on purpose! It's like they hate superheroes and are willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars just to piss fans off.. No company in the world would by mistake keep people in charge that keep making movies or tv shows that only makes them lose huge amounts of money.. It's insane!
More like a lot of corporate politics is at play. Not piss off this, not piss off that. Need to highlight this, need to market that. Also the ego of the people involved of wanting their own take to the story as if it is any better.
Sounds a lot like Biden’s administration. Fucking up everythjng on purpose but calling it the best presidential campaign in history. It’s delusional. The MCU has become a reflection of this generation and culture. No accountability or morality. It’s all about money and attention at this point
I swear Disney is a species of mould at this point. It's this slow rot that sucks the colour and energy out of anything that gets exposed to it for too long.
You overestimate human stupidity. It has no limits.
That was a really cringe worthy line spoken by Olivia Coleman too. Talking about men being murderers, "That's what all of the podcasts are about." Just like She-Hulk, they show how insecure they are about their own writing. They have to reference critique in the show itself, trying to brush it off with name-calling and showing a complete lack of self-awareness. Bit of a shit stain on her career.
Typical feminists fighting against imaginary friends
Olivia Coleman sucks
Oh no Olivia Coleman has been in MUCH worse things before she blew up, look up Confetti (2006). It was a mockumentary movie which had to be mostly improvised by the actors because of a practically non-existent script. Worst part of all for Coleman is that she played a naturist and was completely nude for almost all her scenes and was told it would be pixilated, only to find out it wasn't when she attended the premiere. Funnily enough Martin Freeman was also in it, so yeah compared to that SI really isn't that bad, even being in a Marvel flop is good for your resume.
Emelia Clarke seems like the final blow that comes into finish off a franchise 😅
Also, Rhodie has been a skrull since after Endgame. Firstly, his blood was red in the final Endgame fight, so that's that. But also, it would make sense that he was taken to the hospital after that fight and was then compromised by the skrulls there after.
Why wouldn’t they go with your plot line? It could have just fit the story. Not to mention that Skrull Rhodes was ON the planet that they killed Thanos on, completely destroying the logic of why this invasion is even happening.
Terrible choice with Rhoadie, but if you were forced to place it in a script, that is at least the most logical point.
Wait, when did we see his blood?
@@shellfire6931 when Thanos bombed the Avengers HQ after Hulk snapped everyone back
I doubt the writer cared to know how skrulls worked and if he bled since civil war lol
Thought it'd be dark and cool, gritty. And it was so/so for a lil... But it was basically She Hulk with Nick Fury...
At least we got a good meme out of it "Have you lost your reptilian mind?"
To me by far the most insane thing about this show is that they imply, fury had secret scroll spies everywhere since "Captain Marvel". This means that a bunch of skillful spy shapeshifters loyal to fury were completely unable to find out about hydra inside of shield. Like did no one even think about this. Or are we supposed to assume that all these shapeshifting spies, which according to their own dialogues killed for fury, meaning they're also skilled, were completely oblivious to the hydra threat. Like the fact that such a big organisation could stay quiet under the eyes of Nick Fury was already a bit of stretch, but at least it was still believable as even with his incredible skill and intellect, Fury was still just one man, but with this secret scroll organisation under his belt it becomes completely unbelievable. Man I hate it when shows manage to damage prior shows and movies.
Another stupid thing is, that at least from what I understand, the power of captain marvel was given to her by the blast of the teseract, and is not a part of her DNA (because otherwise we could be sure that the krill would have extracted it immediately), so why the hell are they able to get her powers through her DNA? It feels like they just did, what they thought would look cool witbout any thoughts as to whether it makes sense...
Or are we supposed to believe that the skrulls sided with Hydra and didn't tell fury about anything until it was advantageous to side with him again.
This portrays the Skrulls as either universally idiotic, treacherous, oblivious, or all three
captain america and the winter soldier is still my favorite MCU movie. it was so well written and well well executed.
likely case the fight where they turned a Amelia Clarks arm into Drak's arm all those effects of different superheroes were probably some reused asset to save on money
SAVING MONEY when the budget was 212 millon dollars...you can film 4 season of agents of shield ,,and the gosht ryder effects were 100 timesbetter
Most certainly cheap tricks.
I really don't understand why Marvel got it so wrong. In general, Disney have the best data on what works at a universal level and give little winks to the niche fan bases. I am very surprised. Also, this show does not look like a 200 million production, where did all the money go? I hope this is rock bottom and the next productions start getting better. I hope this is blipped and we never talk about it again. Thank you for the video!
On IMDB there are 22 people that have some sort of a producer credit. Big chunk of the money is going to them.
cause not about quality but the message, hence the show every 5 min insulting fury, pushing the other non important women character who's half of the plot isn't really important in hindsight at all, or why fury isn't the main one to stop it but the other girl, push out male lead to make new female ones, looking to the MCU leads right now its painful how it looks now to a decade ago
How tf did they even get Ebony Maw's DNA? One version of him died in the middle of space, and another turned to dust. Where and when would they have gotten his DNA?
Dont ask questions just consume product and be excited for next product lmao
I assume blood from the small wound Wong and strange gave him redirecting the little stone missiles, but it's still dumb af
@@TimSedai I feel like the likelihood that someone was able to find that random piece of debris is so low. Even more so someone who has anything to do with DNA cloning.
@@crazycanadian5592 how they'd get a viable DNA sample out of literally anyone they didn't have confined to a lab is super 'action movie logic'. Especially non-human DNA, because what would you even know is genetic material and not contamination from the environment?
it gets dumber and dumber the more you actually think about it
How did they get Ghost's DNA if she was not even near nor involved in the fight in Endgame? Or the Frost Giants?
Phase 4 should’ve been all about the Skrulls. I don’t think there’s any way to save the MCU at this point, because they’ve wasted so many potential stories. I guess they could just decanonize all of Phase 4 with the exception of No Way Home and start over.
I agree this could of been a mini phase to continue to Kang
@@mikeedwards9984kang shouldn't even be touched as a character until near the end of phase 4, this would've set up phase 5 nicely....but they didn't cuz the writers are morons
No Way Home was even worse
@@Qaosbringer No it wasn’t. It wasn’t a perfect film by any means, but it didn’t cause such huge problems for the overall continuity.
@@Qaosbringer did you mean far from home?
The directors said they didnt even read the comics
MCU hasn't cared about the comics since forever, they totally changed the origin of multiple heroes and villains, totally destroying multiple story lines including Civil War, Planet Hulk, Infinity War and Age Of Ultron also Kree-Skrull War
@@Darkstar_Dayne Civil War and Infinity War had good reception but you're right about the others and what sucks is that we're never gonna get a Planet Hulk film because the MCU has made Hulk into a joke
@@mr.punisher5100 Oh Yeah, those movies are terrific but they're very different from the comics. I was really looking forward to seeing Adam Warlock in live action when Infinity War was coming out but they completely left him out and now turned that character into a childish bumbling fool, a character whose power is Cosmic Awareness
It was evident they didn't know the stories. They already tried to flip the script on the Kree/Skrull war to make the Skrulls just hopeless refugees treated as undesirables and make the Kree the aggressors.
Ironically, they showed in this series the extreme danger in taking in refugees and why any country with half a brain should never do it.
@@mr.punisher5100Thor Ragnrok was kinda it
Secret Invasion could’ve been the next Avengers big two part movie event, but once again they dropped the ball on the one.
they completely forgot the "secret" in "Secret Invasion" and that will never not make me laugh
Maria Hill was in a few episodes of Agents of Shield.
She was not a field agent. She is the "Guy in chair" roll.
When they killed her off I knew this was going to be wrong.
Yeah, but just think of all the time the writers saved by not having to write anything for her after episode 1. They had more important things to be doing... like going on strike... and just think of all the free time that created. Season 2 is going to be amazing!
did all the sword agents get laid off after wandavision?
Actually Rhodey was already hinted to be a shape shifter since Ironman 2, glad to see it finally paid off
I see what you did there...
Hahaha! Yeah, because they swapped Terrance Howard with Don Cheadle.
The Snakes on a Plane clip at the end was apt. That line wasn't in the movie, they went back and filmed it, because of movie fans. It is now permanently embedded in pop culture, because they did something really cool, and it appeased fans, and elevated the profile of the movie far beyond what they could have imagined. The whole situation is really insane from a business standpoint. If it was my 200 million dollars, I would need to see some receipts/timesheets.
Samuel L. Jackson is way too good to play in BS stories like this. It's sad Hollywood don't deliver many well-written stories these days.
Someone said Peacemaker is a better secret invasion storyline than Secret Invasion 😂
Because it is
Peacemaker is super trash. Dont know how people dont see that
Its literally like ever other marvel/dc production. Peacemaker just has a few cuss words to make people think its mature writing but that show is mega garbage
@@jdrmanmusiqking Yeah peacemaker's writing was pretty exhausting, and overall the only interesting parts were one or two characters.
@@theenemy4313 cap but ok
@@jdrmanmusiqking cap but ok
It's sad to say that Marvel has become part of a system that is comfortable with zero accountability.
As it was said in another Disney movie: “let past die, kill it if you have to”. It seems that for some reason Ryan Johnson is so respected it writing community it adopted this quote as it’s raison d’etre.
Also, can we appreciate for a moment absolute unhingeness that was Secret Invasion directors interview? I think that only one time I’ve seen man so proud of his poop was in South Park episode.
Why does Emilia Clarke need Drax or Bucky DNA when she has the hulk DNA?
I liked the part where gravik said "it's gravin' time" and graviked all over everyone.
No it's amorbis time in the agon waste
This joke stopped being funny so long ago
Facts
@snmcfadden it's still fun. Idc what the internet tells me it's still fun. It's the 2020's version of rick rolling.
@@frostyfilmwatcher2148nope we’re not doing this anymore sweetheart
For those who have lost track, Disney is now at 6 to 10 instances of disrespecting a legacy male character by having them be upstaged/replaced by a young female character:
1. Rey replacting Luke in the Star Wars sequel triology
2. Kit Tanthalos upstaging Willow in Willow
3. Kate Bishop upstaging Hawkeye in Hawkeye
4. Helena Shaw upstaging Indiana Jones in Indiana Jones 5
5. Cruz Ramirez upstaging Lightning Mcqueen in Cars 3
6. Giah upstaging Nick Fury in Secret Wars
And there are 4 more instances that are a bit more disputable on if they should be counted or not
7. Nehanda replacing T'Challa in Wakanda Forever
8. Riri Williams replacing Tony Start in Wakanda Forever
9. Bo-Katan upstaging Mando in Mandalorian
10. Wendy upstaging Peter Pan in the Peter Pan live action remake.
Don’t you have a crusty sock to be depleting into. Sound like a dime a dozen incel. The original black panther died. Most of these characters took over the mantle in the comics. And riri isn’t even iron man she’s iron heart. Did you complain when pepper suited up? Or rhodey? Pepper upstaged Tony in iron man 3. Find actual shit to critique not just “when woman exist bad.”
@@RustyBrickStudios I personally wouldn't count that.
That's a male character being defeated by a female character, while all the examples I listed has the characters on the same side with the female character outperforming or replacing the male one.
Furthermore, while Mr. Fantastic is older is the context of media as a whole, this was his first appearance in the MCU specifically. So within the context of the movie, Scarlet Witch is actually the legacy character while Mr. Fantastic is the new character.
happened in she hulk too
It was pretty much written like modern comic books. Crap on the past, writers/producers/directors self insert through proxy characters, disregard serving the story to serve other things.
I didn't watch this show. It didn't look too good. The biggest issue being that Secret Invasion is a massive crossover story similar to Infinity Gauntlet. It requires a bunch of characters to be involved with a lot of stakes, but all this had was Fury and Rhodes.
10:00 AND Thanos was surviving off of the fruit that grows there. There is also FOOD on that planet for the shapeshifters too
The only way I could think of it being worse was if his wife was actually a male skrull who took the form of a woman and they hit us over the head with a trans allegory in addition to an immigration allegory.
It is a trans allegory because they say that Fury couldn't love her as she was, he wanted her to change herself
Implying trans people are literally commiting identity theft doens't seem like a very progressive move...
then again, people did exactly taht to an One Piece character; claiming she was trans becasue she was pretending to be and stealing the name of a deaceased male character
So i acutally wouldn't evne be surprised if they pulled that out.
I wasn't trying to read that deeply into it, but you're right.
@@TheAuthorStudios They already did the whole 'refugees become terrorists' thing in this show, so it's believable that some themes involving trans identity theft also got in there. I didn't watch the show, but since it's set in Russia for part of it... now I'm curious if they accidentally progressived Russia/Putin into some kind of heroic position.
Rhodes is a woman in a man’s skin, I think that speak volumes
I guess they decided to follow "There are only three Indiana Jones movies" with "There are only three Marvel movie phases"...
And "No Way Home".
The scene where gravik was talking down on nick fury was so well acted. Than that all goes to waste as it wasnt the actual nick fury. Imagine what that speech would have done to the real fury. This show missed so many things.
The "Thanos planet" is actually Saturn's Moon Titan, if we're following the comics. And that makes it even more stupid, because Titan is very easy to reach, at least with the technology that they have in the MCU
how dare you have understanding of the universe and lore better than them
No the Thanos planet their talking about is the planet they killed him on, not Titan… Since they mention Rhodey and Danvers being there. They weren’t on Titan. Besides, Titan looks unlivable with the gravity anomalies…
So many things wrong with your comment:
1. MCU's Titan is not Saturn's Titan, it's an independent planet in a different solar system.
2. Movie Cynic is talking about the unnamed planet Thanos goes to be a farmer in. That's not Titan.
@@alvaro.martinez okay so they don't make that very clear in the MCU
To anyone still enjoying Disney/Marvel, " Are you out of your Reptilian Ass Mind?!". My family and I stopped watching Disney/Marvel a long time ago. All of their products are the same, no matter what it is.
Don't forget that Rhodey also knew about the planet Thanos went to after the blip, so that Skrull is either picky or stupid
Maybe this is the same situation in she-hulk where the writers admit they don't know how to write a legal procedural. They don't know how to write a spy thriller. Says the kind of quality the next generation of writers have.
The MCU machine is like Skynet becoming self aware. It's stubborn, self-important, and a detriment to all of humanity.
Winter Solider is hands down the best MCU movie imo
THAT'S IN MY TOP 5 MCU MOVIES INCLUDING INCREDIBLE HULK
That Skrull Rhodey went with the Avengers to Thanos' garden planet, he's literally been there and didn't tell the other Skrulls about it.
This version of Nick Fury was originally based on The Ultimate Universe version of the character who was a complete badass and a super soldier, wth happened??
You do great work and have amazing takes! Hope you have a great day and thank you for the great content!
Doing secret invasion THIS dirty is crazy. I was so hyped [god knows why] and fought through 1 episode and couldnt go back
💯 agreed!! Listen I was hyping this show up for months to my wife gave her a lil bit of background how awesome the comics were…cause I read them as a kid, I even went as far to watch it ahead of her and was super disappointed…so I was like let me see what she’ll say as a individual that barely knows the source material. She too shared my dislike and wanted to riot…long story short they failed everyone…everyone of us fans on every level.
Time to watch all your videos! Loving your insights!!
"No one defends this show"
I can confirm this. I have some officemates who are hardcore (Disney) Marvel stans and I told them:
"Hey guys wasn't that scene where Fury-kun kissed Skrull-chan cool?"
They said nothing.
Then I joked around how Spy X Family was a better spy thriller and they strangely agreed and would rather watch Loid kissing Yor instead of you know... Fury-kun and Skrull-chan lol.
I hate you
As much as the Rhodes Skrull reveal was stupid, it kind of hilariously implies that in order to sell the idea that he was Rhodes, some random Skrull broke their own spine and seriously crippled themselves so they could realistically go through rehab.
Wait. Ebony Maw’s powers gives you his rings too!?? Lmaoooo
2:31 I searched up my full name and found Marvel’s Taskmaster.
The cool one from the comics, not that god-awful MCU replacement.
I ignored this show but after hearing what happened to Nick Fury I said, “Remember No Marvel.”
"What a piece of shit!? "
Basically a summary of entire phase-4.
Great video, I really appreciate the effort put in to enrich the storytelling.
Great video Blue 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
If you allow to suggest, a potential topic for either a video on your channel or to be discussed in Mr Browns, maybe Little Platoon:
Is it time for Feige to go?!
I sometimes wonder if he’s served the MCU long enough to lose perspective and his “magic”
I don’t think that Brody is a skrull in endgame, skrull Brody would not have given a shit about anything going on there. They made skrull Brody just an asshole throughout which Brody wasn’t an asshole in infinity war and endgame. I just think he couldn’t walk because he’s been still for a bit of time and was still delusional for what the skrull did to him.
You’re giving the writers too much credit. They don’t care about how he was characterized previously.
@@Enigma75614 that’s true, this show went from boring to maddening
They have their memories not just their powers he would care
@@flamebreaker7318 Source: I made it up
Disney helped Marvel to rise, and now disney is helping Marvel to fall.
Tessa thompson, emily clark, and sophia turner really have a talent for acting without changing their facial expressions.
That is the biggest issue I have too. MCU always want to talk about how they need more female empowerment and yadi yadi ya but the characters that would've been great candidates for shows or be brought back to have there own movies in phases 1 and 2 especially! Were absolutely wasted. Like, here is a great example. Where is Dr. Cho from Avengers 2? Having Mariah go out the way she did actually made me quit the show.
Peacemaker did secret invasion 100 times better
What you said at the end is so true. Hollywood NEED to gain some humility.
If they are not making this shows and movies for their audience, then, who are they making this for? Their investors?
Anyway, I haven't seen Secret Invasion and don't have any interest in doing so. Guardians 3 was the last marvel proyect I watched and I don't think that's going to change.
When Nick Fury after all this time started talking about being a “brother” and how hard it is to be a top guy, i screamed so hard my goodness! Since when is Fury a victim of this in all of the MCU?? It was so out of character and I truly can’t believe Jackson really thought it was necessary for the character…
15:10 Hold up, Rhodey was definitely not injured at the hands of Falcon. That was all Vision
Peacemaker did this secret invasion aliens among us plot better than secret invasion.
Rhodie being a Skrull also undermines Nick Fury's "help a brother out" speech.
In my head cannon, Rhodie has been a Skrull since Iron Man 2
One thing I will say and will probably fall on deaf ears:
Disney is a company hellbent on making the most money. Including underpaying smaller actors and writers. It's apparent that these gigantic budgets aren't being used to pay the employees for decent work; the money went straight up to the CEOs and shareholders.
The reality is not that smaller actors and writers are on strike despite TV shows and movies being shit, it's that TV shows and movies are shit BECAUSE actors and writers are unable to put in decent work with these ridiculous conditions imposed by Disney and other corporations. They don't even make enough money to live comfortably and are forced to run side hussles.
Do you know what all great movies and TV shows had in common? The cast, crew, and writers were well paid and satisfied; they were working out of a desire to create rather than desperation to survive.
We're not going to see another decent TV show or film until the actors and writers are treated fairly.
Fucking "Peacemaker" was a better secret invasion show than "Secret Invasion"! Congrats, Marvel! You got outdone by a show whose main character is played by a guy we can't see!!!
At this point Emilia Clarke is the kiss of death to any franchise/project she’s involved with. Shame, because she comes across as someone who’s actually pretty likeable
She's not a terrible actress, but for some reason someone is determined to make her an action hero.... even though she's about 5 foot nothing and maybe 80 pounds after a big dinner.... good luck with that one....
@@petriew2018yeah…it’s never gonna happen is it?
Doesn't really help that she only has one expression, same expression when her dad dies as when she used the drax arm
She was great in GoT until they ran out of source material and turned the show into a bad Dungeons & Dragons campaign.
rumour has it, when this show got wrapped up. The higher ups failed to guess who was who and demanded for it to be made clear before hand.
The MCU needs a retcon
Cynic never fails to entertain.
Ik exiled universe always fire