Starfleet Academy 14: Kobayashi Maru
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2011
- This mission needs little explanation save that this is the only way to "win". The game can still continue if the player chooses to play the mission normally. I don't know if cheating one of the other ways results in a lower score or a reprimand.
- Hry
This Kobayashi Maru scene is done with a billion times more respect than its depiction in the 2009 movie
You know you're a nerd when your savegames say things like, 5a and 3c.
Did that with my SFA games, too. And any RTS, like Command and Conquer, saving at multiple points in the level. It is highly logical. 😉
Every PC game should've had William Shatner show up and explain how much better than you he is at beating them.
Awesome comment.
This lucky bastard playing the cadet got to act side by side with the greats. :)
***** Thanks for killing the illusion, Captain Obvious aboard the USS No Shit Sherlock 1701...
Joe Masters Ensign Obvious never made it to captain. He was a red shirt. And you can't have two ships with the same registration number. You don't get out much do you?
+ThaDoctor72 "And you can't have two ships with the same registration number. You don't get out much do you?"
I think not knowing minutia like numbering protocols, probably means he gets out a hell of a lot more than you... Just saying...
@ThaDoctor72 - I'm speaking of Walter Koenig, George Takei and William Shatner, dumbass.
Thought it was Christian Bale for awhile ha.
A very underrated Star Trek adventure game.
There's an old Trek novel by the title Kobyashi Maru that explores that a bit, actually--when Sulu takes the test, he concludes that the message is actually a fake in the first place, and doesn't take the ship across the line. Though in Kirk's story, along with the movie itself, part of the reason Kirk figures it's okay to cheat is because the computer cheats first, making it impossible to win--unless you think way outside the box.
This is actually a better story than what we saw in the reboot movie.
OMG....I used to play this back in 98!!!! Loved this game!!!
Thanks for sharing. I see this video, at the night, by babysitting my younger son (he is 3months old) and now and here i feel how much older i am, and those years are a nice memories. Thanks for giving me this feeling my friend!
A nut job Romulan from the future attacked Vulcan and thus interrupted the proceedings before new timeline Kirk could make the epic speech he usually makes that would lead to said praising of his ingenuity.
I remember this game and this Mission. I took it without cheating just a few tweaks to the ships main power settings and repair resources altered. I successfully destroyed all 3 enemy ships and then 3 more came. I destroyed those and another 3 came then the game crashed. After diverting ever spare bit of power and resources while dodging pop shots I managed to hold my own in that dog fight. I even managed once to keep warp drive online even though it was seriously damaged taking a few minutes before I could even think about going to warp. I know there are people who will say im bluffing but no try it. Decrease warp power and first increase weapons power to photons then phases when photons are gone. Lock weapons on target, I chose the warp drive. For damage max out everything important like hull shields and impulse then touch a bit on everything else making sure weapons get just a bit more since you can always run and repair at the same time. Then be sure emergency power goes up asap. Just dodge a few direct hits and plaster the enemy as hard as you can in the same spot one at a time then you will see what happened to me. Unlike Kirk, I didn't cheat.
Did you win the scenario? Anything different happen? I had a similar Moment in Wing Commander III. I was losing on purpose to see story and on the final mission where Kilrathi keep coming out of the wormhole. It's supposed to just keep getting harder until you die........but I was so good at piloting at the point just from playing way too much and I was able to just going until eventually the dreadnought actually shows up (Like the massive one you see in cut-scenes only--the biggest shiP).
At that point I figured i was screwed, but I just kept shooting and scooting until the fighters were dead and I lined up right behind some part of it where its guns would hit and shot at it for like and hour! It eventually blew! It was one of the most epic video game fights I have ever. Sadly, afterwards, it won't let autopilot back to base and if you try to go back manually your ship just blows up and you get normal game over.
Kinda sucked cause I remember really hoping to see a cutscene where its like, you LITERALLY single handily save Earth from an Armada. Thats like some prophet in wormhole kinds stuff~!! But yeah, I do believe .....I think most real gamers have just one story like this from some game at some point in their childhood!
Maybe it crashed because the developers didn't take into account that you can win the mission without cheating? Maybe a video was supposed to be played but then didn't exist because it was forgotten. Accessing data that isn't there could cause a program freeze or crash.
"I teenk I better let the Keptin explain that."
I still prefer the "full speed ahead and tractor Kobayashi then get blown to smithereens" ending but this one is funny as hell ^_^
I bought this game when it first came out; guess it was around 1998?
I've been trying to play it on Windows 7 64 bit, but it crashes quite a bit!
This why ST is better than SW in realistic gaming.ST gives you the in person style.Hands on approach.
this video certainly brings back memories indeed... ;)
lmao, when the Klingon says prepare to be destroyed while muscle flexing, I lost it.
Classic game. Really enjoyed it back in the day. :)
This looks brilliant, needs a remake
Well, it was released in 1997, but I'd heard/read from some places that it was originally scheduled to be released in 1994/5 along with those other Starfleet Academy games.
I can't be exactly sure because I don't remember where I read that. The game was at least delayed to improve its in-mission graphics, I think.
This is really good!
I didnt even know this was a thing. Now I want to play it! I have my own solution for "The No Win Simulation" and it doesnt look like I could execute it in this game but it still looks like a fantastic experience.
Cadet Forester did a fine job in programming Duk'Ret to overact. :D
Loved this game.
ok what about the Picard maneuver ?
"I don't like to lose." James.T.Kirk
lol
man i remember playing this game lol. such a long time ago
Loved playing this game!!!!
i liked Mackenzie Calhoun's solution the most.
Definitely one of the best solutions.
I always liked Scotty's teleporting of ordinance as well as the cadet from the novel "Dreadnaught" who used her communicator to act as a control patch when the computer interfaces were damaged.
I had no clue they filmed video clips for any of the games!
Oh yeah. I geeked out so hard when this came out.
before? even TOS had food replicators.
I loved this game when I was about 16
WOW - Kirk was really hittin' the bottle in '97.
6:57
It was very polite of him to stop talking whenever the static got bad. :P
Choice 2 is what we saw in the new movie, right?
There is of course the fourth option that doesn't even require cheating.
Blow up the Kobayashi Maru and run like hell.That's what MacKenzie Calhoun does citing that rescue is impossible and mercy killing the civilians is the only course of action. He also suggests that its a bit convienent that the ship just happens to be in the neutral zone and that there are cloaked ships around it. So he thinks it is in cahoots with the enemy and thus a legitimate target.
I have often wondered if a small shuttle from the enterprise would be able to enter the zone and tow the maru out. I figured since the maru appeared to be alone an undetected, a small craft going in would also be undetected. the plot is bogus. considering that the maru is a federation vessel, it has already violated the treaty by being in the zone.
I had this game as a kid!
Was that in the game? I think that solution comes from one of the novels. That's what Peter Kirk did, making him (at the time) the only cadet to legitimately beat the Kobayashi Maru by satisfying all three mission objectives (rescue the KM crew, prevent war with the Klingons, get home safely) by sacrificing his own life, and it wasn't the Klingons if I remember right - it was the Romulans.
I loved this game
This is better than the film.
I feel like I'm watching this in a Sega Saturn
not the replicators in ST Enterprise when they pulled into that automated repair station run on brains.
If the cause is just, and righteous, they (Starfleet) will gladly give their lives. - Jean Luc Picard.
Interesting how contacting the Klingons is not the First thing tried before any other actions are taken.
This is one of the things that JJ's Trek really dropped the ball on. The simulation is not about "facing fear" as they tried to say. It's about character. It tells SF just what kind of commander you're going to be. Will you cross the border, face certain death, in the attempt to save innocent lives? Will you uphold treaties signed with neighboring alien worlds above all else? As Kirk said "There is no correct solution, it's a test of character."
a girdleless Kirk it seems
The Commodore knew something was amiss...
The "third option" makes me feel like whoever made this game must have read "The Kobayashi Maru" by Julia Ecklar. That's what Kirk did in the novel... =)
Is it just me or do we never get either a shot of Kirk where we see him below the pec line, nor a shot of his full body close up? He knew he was looking a lot like James Doohan and ordered the director to film him in very specific ways.
But you've gotta admit, they look a helluva lot better than the ones they had to wear in ST:TMP. These are brilliant in comparison to those pastel one-piece jumpsuits.
It used to be an issue all the time until writers got lazy. In TOS there were many instances where Kirk wouldn't hear from the "nearest" starbase for days, or even weeks. Even with subspace radio.
He was truly on the frontier. It made for more compelling drama when that was the case. Kirk and Co really had to work on their own to solve a problem.
Technically, they were food dispensers.
In the scenario though, don't the Klingons jam all communications? So any verbal challenge would be impossible.
I have windows 8 and for some reason I can't seem to fix the screen size. For example I can not see my torpedoes and phasers because they are off screen. Does anyone know how I can fix that?
Adam Scriber Have you changed the monitor's screen resolution size / the game's screen size.
Was this an actual TV show, or just a spoof of some kind? I grew up watching the Original Star Trek, but never saw this until now.
Probably, but running it may be a problem. I ran it under a Virtual Machine of sorts. Other people say it can run under Windows XP. I don't know about Windows 7 (probably not).
The first few years.
so how is it, new timeline Kirk got put on trial? yet old timeline Kirk was praised for his ingenuity?
Heywood Jablomey I haven't seen Wrath of Khan or read the books, so take this with a grain of salt, but based on the context here, who says that they didn't happen? Yes, the old Kirk received a commendation, but that could have happened after a trial where the discussion of tightening the rules took place. Furthermore, while the new Kirk was put on trial, we'll never know what the outcome of that trial would have been since it was cancelled during the sudden mobilization for the Vulcan rescue mission. However, just before stowing away Kirk on the Enterprise, Bones told him, "The board will rule in your favor...most likely."
The in-game Maru simulation or Starfleet Academy itself?
Christian Bale is at Starfleet Academy?
I'm trying to remember...I seem to recall there was one game that had the Kobyashi Maru test in it..but if you took an option to reprogram the simulator so that the Klingons recognized you, instead of being helpful, they all ganged up on you so that they could get the honor of being the one to *kill* the Great Captain whatever.
You don't need matter to run the replicators, you just need energy. This being a society where both nuclear fusion and matter/anti-matter reactors are mastered technology, energy appears plentiful.
Is this the last appearance of kirk?
Holy crap! They actually got Walter Koenig and Shatner to reprise their role
Which ones? Seasons 1 and 2 or 3-7?
Think for a moment there, you really would rather see Doohan in the pastel spandex pajamas in his elder years? Not much left for the imagination about what Stephen Collins was packing under there. Joking aside, I thought the TMP uniforms was Roddenberry's call, not Wise's...but I agree, I still like the TOS uniforms better too, but these were always my favorite. To each his own. On the topic for curiousity's sake, what did you think of the other series/movies' uniforms?
Those were true replicators, but it was never, even hinted that Earth Starfleet/UESPA picked up on the design. However, ENT muddies up the issue because they have "Protein Resequencers" that are essentially just very weak & limited replicators on the NX-01 even in 2151.
The best guess we had in TOS was that the slots were some kind of food transport system - like Baron said, a "dispenser." Unfortunately, ENT kind of throws a monkey wrench in the whole canonical technological progression now.
with a replicator,why do they need to pick up 'supplies'?
Should have went to Yellow Alert in the Neutral Zone.
Looks like Shatner had a facelift in this one. Blown off course? Question-How can you be blown off course since there is no earth type wind in space? Was it solar wind? Did everyone on the Kobayashi Maru eat beans for dinner? Was it a giant life form with gas?
nythawk night Easy: the detonation was called a "gravity mine", meaning it applied force and interia to the Kobayashi Maru. Because, as you so aptly pointed out, there's nothing but other bodies' gravitational pulls to slow or stop the KM once this inertia's been applied, and its warp drive is out, any change in its velocity would put it "off-course". From there, it's subject to any and all gravitational fields in the Gamma III system that it becomes subject to.
Seeing as without warp drive, leaving a star system's sphere of influence on impulse is damn near impossible, even with nuclear propulsion, they're probably already trapped in some kind of orbit around the star. If another planetary body (or even large enough asteroid) gets close enough that the two pass, the KM would go even farther off course.
If I was to take the test. I’d retreat and “sacrifice” the 30 crew members and 300 civilians of that vessel, keeping the treaty in tact avoiding a war that would kill millions or more, because the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.
Plus the vessel could have been a decoy set up by the Klingons who were just waiting there and have an excuse to go to war
i thinking someone bribed the examiner , because it was clearly a HAX
All right, I've only seen a dozen or so TOS episodes. I just thought they got food out of dumb waiters connected to the galley. It never seems to come up in the movies.
I don't think TOS ever used it to make weapons the way TNG and DS9 did. They should've had a workshop/CNC mill for that sort of work...
Doctor! Look out! The Master is back at 6:08
Ever hear of dosbox?
There are materials that are to complicated to replicate. Some instable crystals, radiating ore and other stuff. Food therefore is relatively simple to replicate.
"The winning one". What winners say. :-)
This is before replicators.
Still a classic actor.ST original actors are the best.
Loved this classic... Can you still find it out there...?
I would launch a shuttle with 3 photon torpedo's aboard or a particle of antimatter in magnetic confinement. Using remote control send it about 1,000,000 miles away from the Kobayashi Maru. Take the Enterprise to Warp 8 or 9 and detonate the shuttle. By this time the Klingon's would go to investigate. By the time the Klingon's get back to the Maru the Enterprise will have beamed the Kobayshi Maru crew and passengers aboard the ship and heading to the Federation border.
+nythawk night You're mistaken about something. The klingons were already there at the Kobayashi Maru, they were cloaked and waiting. If by any chance you did that, they would only send one ship to investigate, the test had three heavy cruisers there. Plus that would be an act of agression regardless if it was just a shuttle, You're detonating warheads into the neutral zone. its a no win scenario for a reason. Built only to test the character of the captain on what decisions he would make.
Since the plot demands it.
Can I get a fucking response, please? It's been eight years.
Watch the original series, it was often a problem.
I'd like to have play this game
How old is this game ? ( i have year of procuction on mind)
This is The P.C. Version, of Star Trek :The Kobayashi Maru
I would like to see a game between Star Trek (original series) after the 5 year mission set after Star Trek II vs Babylon 5.would like to see Walter Koenig's characters of Chekov vs his B-5 Psi Corps Bester..
haha. i got that game. but why does it crash?
I love this game also and i have still have pity it doseent work with XP :(
I always thought the early DS-9/Voyager uniforms were good.
its all done at a molecular level------matter rearranged.if there were replicators,nothing would be impossible to make-------as in ST Enterprise when Trip saw one and told Archer that if he had one,he could make all the spare parts they needed.
@TheBoxingCannabyte Cheers for that. And yeah, I'd torrent my lunch if I could, so no issue there! Didn't realise the guys at CD Projekt or however it's spelt were originally for the older Interplay. Have yet to try The Witcher 2. Although really enjoyed the first one.
False teeth, work on his eyes, thick makeup, toupee, damn, Father Time was knocking even back then
Why did the video cut to the end before you towed the Maru back to Federation space?
+Falchion1984 I think it's because either the simulator broke because of the hacking or one of the teaching staff interrupted it.
+Alshoff
I do remember that, when I did this mission, I got the Maru in my tractor beam and back to starbase, at which point Vanda said the captain sent his thanks. Maybe the problem was with your DosBox?
+Falchion1984 The version of Starfleet Academy with Chekov's Lost Missions is patched so there might be a difference. (Though I don't seem to remember actually towing the Maru on my original CDs. I think it just ended then as well. I know they patched the Venturi attack on a Starbase so the player can't tow the target ship to avoid its destruction.)
Or the mission might be on a timer. I simply didn't reach it fast enough.
Alshoff
Assuming I can get this game running on my machine, I'll have to follow up. Thanks for the tidbits.
+Falchion1984 good luck with that. for some odd reason it would not function on anything but Windows 98
what's this game and where can I get it?
Starfleet academy. It's on steam or GOG.com
I made it work on x64, it has to be compatibilty mode for 95, and you must download the KA fixed version of ddraw.dll.
My solution, even if its cold is to destroy the Kobayashi Maru. Klingons dont take captives and with failing life support they are basically dead all ready, destroy the ship to avoid any information getting out and punch it to warp 5
As I recall that wasn't an option because you can't get out of the system once you're there.
I'd ignore the hail and do nothing. Even if it's true, one freighter is not worth one the lives of your crew and ship and two, one ship, plus yours and the enemy's before they destroy you with overwhelming force is not worth plunging the Federation into war over. Even if it's a true distress call, it's better 300 die than thousands and up to billions.
In the SNES Starfleet Academy you have no option to cheat, you have to "play it straight" and either duel six D6 warbirds in a Constitution, or go on your way. I elected to continue course and avoid war with the Klingons and loss of my ship. You get a 75% grade no matter your solution, making it realistic "as intended" for the star trek universe.
After all, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
+TheSilverPhoenix100 Your response proves that there's a way to lose a no-win scenario that would likely get your instuctor to petition to have you thrown out of any military academy, fictional or otherwise, on grounds of mental health.
+chrismc410 That would also be a way to lose the Kobayashi Maru.
is this a game of some kind?