The Moment Maul Realized He Would NEVER Beat Obi-Wan - (Uses Soresu Against Sidious)
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Obi Wan has the highest count of rent free living in Sith Lord minds. Maul, Vader…. Im sure even Palpatine would be annoyed of him haunting his apprentices.
Obi wan is the greatest Jedi in terms of feats
Also Dooku, he literally asked Obi-Wan to join him
@@Thatsweatthat’s an actual fact
I never saw this until you pointed it out. I interpreted it like Maul knew how much of a threat Palpatine was, and almost instinctually went into Obi-Wan’s stance: if you don’t feel confident that your own abilities are sufficient, why not try the form of the guy who beat you?
I thought it was just a one handed salute of form VII (since the blade was tilted down)
That was Mauls greatest humiliation, the use the form of one mortal enemy, to be defeated by the other, both against Sidious and Kenobi!
Too bad Maul was not proficient in Soritsu. Or trained in the force as well as Sidious
Literally never noticed this until you brought it up and I’ve seen that fight sooooo many times
Same and it’s one of the best fights in all Star Wars.
@@bradgrand79 it just goes to show that there were true fans and historians of the universe working on the clone wars.
I wish the same could be said of the sequel trilogy. For all of the crap TLJ is given I think a defeated hopeless luke could’ve worked, but it needed to stray away from ESB for it to work. Luke needed to live at the end and give Rey need hope as he himself learned a lesson but it was ultimately not his fight but Rey’s (for w/e reason) something like that.
@@Honorbound43 clone wars were Filoni’s best work. Even at my age I appreciate them and the way they succeeded in making Anakin a loved character. Something the prequels failed at and they make his fall so much more meaningful and sad.
True is, Obi-Wan secretly took some death sticks that Hondo gave him before hand and they gave him razor focus.
"You don't want to sell me death sticks."
And yet he tried again on Tatooine anyway… 🤦🏻♂️
Maul was just desperate and he wasn’t thinking that well. He saw Obi-wan as a rat and weak
As they say: if at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again!!
@@josegonzalezgonzalez3486well to be fair, Maul could get to Obi-Wan and fight him, he would have never gotten to Sidious at the Empire's height
The Dark Side blinds you, look at what happened on Mustafar, and Maul on Naboo
@@matthewpengelly761 Do or do not. There is no try
I think Maul’s idea of using Soresu against Sidious tactical the best option for the brothers but the flaw was he more or less just started learning and adding the form to his own style, if he and his brother had maybe a few more months of training with it and used the sixth form along with the seventh they might give the Dark Lord a more of challenge then might be forced him to take them more seriousily.
I think it would also be a good tactic to have one of them try and take Sidious full attention but defending with soresu while the other simply waits for the opening soresu would create and strike which would result in both saving energy and wear out sidious if thats even possible lmao
A good plan but honestly it was hopeless . If the brothers start to give him trouble in lightsaber combat he will switch to the force to pin them down .
To be fair to Sidious, "a much better chance" in this case more means "he would actually have to try a bit".
I think it's the fact they didn't spend enough time preparing for Sidious instead of forming a criminal empire and and killing jedi
I did find it weird at first, but now it makes sense
wow, I never saw the Kenobi opening stance but now I see it and what he was trying to do. great observation.
Thank you for this informative video. I didn't realize Maul did the Soresu opening in that episode.
I think it is a nod to the brilliance of Maul to notice this as well. Unfortunately he didn't take the time to work on the form
Had he spent less time on killing jedi and forming a criminal empire he might've been ready for sidious on mandalore
now that is truly a compliment even if he hates the man.imitation is truly the highest form of flattery also it makes perfect sense when you consider that the person he’s fighting against wood expect the exact opposite. 8:41
These videos you make about seemingly meaningless details tell so much about the stories and characters. Thank you for deepening the lore of star wars
He made two folks handicap!
I missed this completely!! I just kinda watched the whole clone wars thing without looking too deeply the first time i watched it. This time i'm looking a bit closer (part way through season 3)!!
I have to say, over the past few years, your narration has improved leaps and bounds. Keep up the good work. This was very enjoyable.
Great observation. I watched this fight some many times and never notice it.
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Soresu is prevalent in the Sith Order. It was the primary form of Darth Zannah as she lacked the physical attributes of the Jemso
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Great video, count dooku also uses soresu against ventress and the 2 nightsisters, he uses the soresu stance when he is in the hallway going to the other room.
This is hugely impressive! Really impressive! I never thought of this. Thanks 😊May the Force be with you too😀
Great video!
I love that there’s always something new to learn about Star Wars
I wonder how Cal Kestis would fair in a fight with Maul.
He would not I am sorry but Maul went almost toe to toe with Vader
Maul would destroy Cal easily imo
I’m gonna get hate for saying this but Cal’s overrated. He is very skilled in the force and dueling skills but Maul only lost to TPM Obi-Wan, TCW Ahsoka, and Kanan all cuz of arrogance/plot armor. Cal isn’t fodder but he struggled with Dagan Gera and Bode who are only two Dark Jedi lesser than basically every TCW character. Maul would own Cal actually. Gave prime Obi-Wan trouble and fought Mace & Aayla at the same time.
@@maxdam4059 in cannon? When?
Cal couldn't compete Maul's is on a whole different level of power from the Jedi knight, Maul fought notably Jedi and Sith on multiple occasions, Cal's fiercest opponent was some former Jedi with a jetpack.
Excellent video.
Obiwans reserved nature is a reason i like him so much. Him against vader in the obiwan series reminds me of this.
"If you can't beat them, join them. Or something." -Darth Maul, probably
Nice breakdown & observation....
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Our greatest rivals are often our greatest teachers.
It's not surprising he used Soresu. He mastered Juyo and Niman, which requires the user to be well versed in the other 5 forms.
I would claim that Obi-Wan was not Maul’s greatest enemy. It was always Siddious.
I agree
Well Sidious is the one who drove maul to the dark side to commit these crimes.
Correction: Maul didn’t lure them to Florum, the Jedi picked up on his trail before he could complete his plan.
Soresu always gives you the high ground.
Happy Friday!
Well that is one way to look at things
Its true. True defensive fighting is indeed something you must work very hard to be good at.
No, I had not noticed it, despite many viewings of the dual.
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I honestly believe that, somehow through the will of the force, Master Obi-Wan Kenobi DID learn that he inspired just as much, if not more, respect from Maul as he did hatred. That knowing of Maul's respect and through the force in someway I'm sure Kenobi knew about Maul adopting Soresu against Sidious
Good catch on Maul’s opening stance.
He knew the onslaught that was coming, the most he could hope to do was live
*WHO LIT THE DAMN CANDLE IN LEGENDS*
Maul knows he cannot defeat Sidious in a one and one duel and it’s the greatest compliment to his hated foe as desperate times calls for desperate measures and uses his style as it would give him best chance of staying in the duel as long as possible against his former master.
The duel on Florrum proved to me that Obi Wan is the most adaptable Jedi in the order. The previous duel on the cargo ship with Ventress displayed Obi Wan trying to attack upper body attacks & stick to Soresu. On Florrum Obi Wan used his hybridized form 3/4 & went for kicks to create range & lower body attacks against Savage to stop him in place. Whoever wrote that into the story knows something about martial arts, 6-8 well placed low kicks in the same spot & you won't walk on that leg. Maul isn't a fool either, very adaptable & very intelligent. Jedi that used hybridized forms are usually the better duelists, very few master a form to the point they they are so proficient that one form is enough for example Dooku or Windu. If Yoda wasn't so short I doubt he would use Ataru despite knowing all the forms.
Maul using Soresu against Palpatine was a case of too little too late mixed with him never having a chance to begin with, it didn't matter what style he used Palpatine was just untouchable for a Sith who was so reliant on his lightsaber.
Obi-Wan truly earned his way to the top. I would never be disappointed in having him as a master.
I never noticed that.
Bro I dint even notice he took form 3 broo took me this long
I've watched this fight dozens of times I've never noticed the form 3 salute
Well it worked. Sidious could not break his guard, he had to overwhelm him with the force
Maul would have been better off actually having Kenobi there with Savage when Palp showed up. Forget killing Satine....trick Kenobi into being there when luring Palpatine to them. This could be a win for the Galaxy too as there would be a chance to kill Palps but also perhaps after that Maul and Savage could stay on Dathomir with the Nightsisters...ending the Sith religion entirely
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!
Never realized this
Lightsabres styles:
Slice before being sliced.
I thought Maul was a Niman practitioner as well. Along with Juyo and Ataru.
With Soresu he also has Djem So
Niman is something he also practiced. He probably did so for Jar Kaii but also for its ability to merge saber forms and combine force attacks. Ventress mixed Niman with her main form Makashi.
@@jyralnadreth4442 I would have to master the other forms before getting into Niman. Form 7 is too risky.
@@jyralnadreth4442 according to the video it did say Maul had trouble with Soresu but he watered the other forms
@@treiwilson9445 As a Consular Form 2 Makashi, Form 3 Soresu and Form 6 Niman are great choices. Makashi and Soresu are very similar in that they conserve energy during combat to wear opponents down. Vader utilised Form 2 into his saber play after he got suited up to compensate for his suits shortcomings. Form 2 offered strong defences against force attacks as well as saber combat its known for, since Form 6 Niman doesn't have form 2 in its make-up...adding it is mandatory. Form 6 can be extremely powerful when Consulars rely more on their force powers than their lightsaber - I suspect Kreia developed her telekinetic lightsaber combat style using Niman
Kenobi is the most popular to use soresu. So we only see it done with one Saber. Do these forms have a preference to the Saber style used? Single, double or dual? Is it feasible to use a double staff with say form 1?
Watching the clone wars for the first time and I just got done watching this episode a few days ago, and I was going crazy watching master kenobi perfectly defending against maul and savage. That leg kick to set up slicing savages arm off was perfectly played. And that’s why you don’t fuck with the master of defense.
Imagine, if Maul, out of his comfort zone, escaped Sidious alive, and lasted so long, imagine how Obi Wan would fare.
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Impressive
05:44 - That wouldn't have mattered
Sidious knew everything and what to expect and arguably had MUCH faster reflexes.
Darth Maul was just delaying the inevitable with his former master
To Sidious : Most impressive... He has come a long way, but it wont save him 😈
I noticed how in The Phantom Menace how Maul lured Obi-Won and Qui-Gon to narrow walkways in the reactor room to better fend off a 2 on 1 assault of 2 Jedi using Form 4, Attaru while Obi-Won adopted the same strategy years later in their rematch to lured Maul and Savage into a confined space to better defend against a 2 on 1 assault where using Form 3 Soresu works best.
I just watched the episode not long ago. Didn't notice, but you're right. Maul even tries to dual wield in the same fight against Palps. That's why Maul is a Dark Lord worthy of Sidious' notice. Maul is willing to learn even from his greatest enemies.
"Out-classed" is a rough way to put it. Sidious is DECADES older than Maul, time standa still for no one even Sidious. So it comes down to experience. Sidious is a master of ALL the forms, with multiple DECADES of experience with them, Maul simply wasn't as good or better put, experienced. If it was Form V vs. Form V and NOTHING else in that moment after Savage was killed, perhaps Maul takes it due to his instant hate of Sidious. But this is where EXPERIENCE comes into play, the mixing of styles, the breadth of experience and even better, knowledge. Maul's gambit was he'd put Obi-Wan on tilt saying "someone." He ALMOST succeded in that regard, we saw Obi's face change from calm to, I'm gonna end this guy once and for all. Sidious is even DECADES older than Obi-Wan, Maul, even Obi-Wan, had no shot. Only Jedi, or any lightsaber wielders, who could hang with him then where Mace and Yoda. I see Maul as a tragic figure who got used to the highest degree sadly. I truly believe what he said to Obi at the end that the Chosen One would avenge them BOTH. We all know at this point that whether Jedi or Sith, their system was broken, I honestly think Maul, maybe Asuka, knew this first-hand first, better than anyone in the "Disney" canon.
Literally what I don't understand is how did Palpatine master all 7 forms being a human, in hiding, with galaxy spanning political ambitions and responsibilities?
That would have more than likely been when he was younger and not all Dark Side and sh*t when he learned them and possibly spent considerable amounts of years getting to almost perfect mastery. It was probably only when he first had to start hiding and sneaking and Dark Side things did he eventually find the time to fine tune and hone the rest of the skills to hit mastery status in the 7forms plus he is extremely powerful in the force and might even have used that to his advantage giving himself the heightened ability to master forms faster... Idk, but those are my two favorite theories as an explanation/answer for you
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It seems like all Banite Sith study Niman. So they have familiarity with all six forms. Maul, as a martial artist, would understand the importance of a solid defense. I don't think Soresu would have been as foreign a skill as all that. But his quickness to anger definitely worked against him.
Darth Zannah was a master of Soresu. But she always had complete control. Even when she was losing a fight.
Ali Galia made a damn good account of herself .
For me, this is the best story arc in Clone Wars
Yeah Maul's rise to power with his Shadow Collective/Mother Talzin was the best part for sure.
I didn’t know that Maul use Obi-Wan’s famous form, it’s cool that he learn it from his last fight with Obiwan. But unfortunately he lost, it takes lots of practice to master form 3. That’s why Obiwan is the master of it, since Maul was just an assassin & a Sith Lord too.
wish maul had told obi wan about using obi's technique against the emperor due to his respect of him. though it would be kind of nice to see maul having sought out obi wan to learn how to master multiple forms of lightsaber combat from him instead of trying to kill or get killed by him.
Maul didn't lure Obi-Wan to Florrum. The Jedi tracked him there. Maul was surprised and not prepared to fight both the Jedi and Hondo's pirates. The whole situation was a disaster for Maul and Savage. Their ship was shot down and they barely escaped with their lives. They probably would have died in space inside the escape pod if not for being discovered by Death Watch.
"What would inspire Maul to use his most hated rival's form against his master?"
Desperation. There, video complete, see you next week.
Obi wan was more powerful than we could possibly imagine..
I wonder wether Kenobi would have stood longer against Sidious than Maul.
Apparently unlike love (so the saying goes) Hate an Vengeance DOESNT conqueror all..
I ALSO wonder, given how Maul died, after this sorta revelation i wonder IF Maul had lived long enough if he too coulda an woulda eventually went on a quasi or strait up Redemption path of his own.. once he broke from the path of being a pure offensive brute an actually proved to be quite cunning an manipulative when he REALLY wanted to be
What did Abaloth Think about Palpatine?
I feel like Maul would've been a dope ass Jedi
What episode and season is this? *Sighs* I really have to make time to watch The Clone Wars.
"Obi wan is weak on going the opposite offensive side"
Not really, your kinda underestimating Kenobis offensive skill especially when he was also a master of ataru slightly less than Yoda. (Especially when you read the republic comics that are seperate from TCW)
Interesting video. On a side note, Obi-Wan was THE master of Form III, but even he couldn't stand one-on-one with Sidious. No surprise that someone like Maul, who is less skilled in the form, wouldn't be able to survive him.
What if maul went immediately back to he's master after he gained back he's sanity?
I'm pretty sure it was when he cut him in half and killed him .
Hi
Its ironic 😂😂
The fight they had in the clone wars was clearly seen as an obiwan win, but truthfully Maul didn't lose physically to Kenobi while they were fighting obiwan couldn't even counter attack Maul, during the hallway fight when savage and maul were 2v1ing obiwan, obiwan had two lightsabers, and maul and savage were at a disadvantage because of the tight location they were in. This made their fighting styles both useless, and even though obiwan did cut off savage's arm he still got force pushed by maul who could have finished him, but he was more concerned about his brother than slaying Kenobi.
Mauls hair trigger aggressive personality disagrees with soresu to the point where it just wouldn't ever work..u need a certain temperment to compliment soresu in order for it to work at 100% capacity. Obiwan wouldn't let himself get frustrated by being on the defensive and he waits for his opportunity wheras maul is constantly looking and searching for opportunities while doing soresu rather than waiting for them to present themselves, because in mauls mind "he aint got time for that shit!"..he ain't waiting for shit! He is gonna try to force inopportune "openings" out of impatients from a want to finish his opponent asap, wheras obiwan would be fine defending and backing for hours if need be until the perfect opportunity presented itself. If obiwan used soresu like maul did against anakin for example, anakin would have found a way exploit that impatients way back in the control room lol.
That isn’t a Soresu stance or salute. This is a Niman opening stance and high guard.
I was wondering something. Dooku and Obi-Wan Kenobi always faced each other and sense their presence. How did Dooku never sense Rako Hardeen was Obi-Wan?
Obi wan explained this to Anakin he said the only way Dooku would believe he's dead is if Anakin believed he was dead hence why Anakin was not informed that Obi Wan faked his death.
I disagree with the assessment of Sidous' skill - he always tried to take on both brothers individually, and made sure Maul was down before finishing Savage. He also resorted to the Force after being noticeably pushed back by Maul, who in his rage was gaining the upper hand. He was a very good all round swordsman, but not on the level of sabremasters like Yoda, Mace Windu, Obi-Wan, Maul, or Anakin. Instead, he resorted to his strength in the Force.
Would Form 5 be a better fit for Maul?
Should have tried form 5
Can we get a why maul continued to use a single bladed lightsaber until before Revenge of the sith?
And as for the 2v1 against Palpatine, Palpatine trained Maul, and and also preferred fighting with Form 7, form 3 being a counter to form 7, and the fact that Maul was scared shitless why would he not use 3?
Obiwan would kill as a defensive coordinator in the nfl...lol
Obi-Wan Kenobi was trained by Qui-Gon Jinn and Qui-Gon Jinn is a great Jedi Master so of course Obi-Wan would survive this battle
I always thpught, Obiwan could definitely survive and even possibly beat sidious in lightsaber combat. But when it comes to powers in the force sideous greatly outclasses obiwan which is why Yoda had to fight him
Day 394 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
But can't juyo break threw soresu
He probably did it because Obi Wan used it to beat him so copied him like copying a smart kid in class' homework
Obi Wan Kenobi > Darth Maul
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