Why Obi-Wan Changed His Lightsaber Form After Dueling Dooku - Star Wars Explained
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I thought he changed his style after the duel of fates of Naboo. Form 4 was tiring and only to be used in short bursts. Watching behind the shield as his master was butchered by Maul changed him forever.
That what I read
You are correct it just makes me laugh out loud watching the comment section when people actually believe what the stupendous idiot says
I remember finding this video information years before they changed into disney canon/ TCW changes were implemented. I just can't for the life of me find exactly what source it was from. maybe the ROTS novel
@@minkeyjim1 If I find it. I'll let you know.
That is true he had started to use Soresu after the first battle with Maul, but he did not become a TRUE master of the style until the end of the CW.
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He also changed hilt designs. His old hilt in episode I and ii was designed for ataru style although his hilt in ii was slightly different to help incorporate other forms but his hilt in episode iii and iv are for soresu.
Actually, the art department created many different designs and Ewan McGregor, the ACTOR chose the one he thought looked the coolest. They obviously had to have him ultimately get to the one Alec Guinness used in 1977. And THAT one was pieced together from random junk by another art department. No sense of "style" or martial arts went into the design of either hilt. Did I ruin the "immersion into the lore" ???
@@Thin447LineI did see the documentaries, this is just stuff from the lore for fun.
@@Thin447Line lol speaking facts bro! When I read this dudes comment I rolled my eyes so hard. Glad to see someone reasonable who laid out the facts.
@@FordLancer I like a lot of the lore too but come on man.. the hilt design for different styles is just corny..
I heard it was just built to look pretty following Jedi tradition, and his 3rd one was built for utility and toughness to withstand battle and be taken apart and reassembled on the fly on the battlefield.
So Qui-gon used form 5 power attacks into his Ataru??? Seems like a similar mirror of Anakin's style. I'd like to know more about Qui-gon's
saber style.
Qui gon used form four which is the same as yodas but it uses a lot of energy and is rubbish in small spaces which is y qui lost to maul after that fight obi wan switched to his preferred form 3 and he’s a master at it so much so not many people can beat him
@@user-ve2bw3gf5b Yes I know that, but it seems there was more to it according to this.
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy it definitely sounds like it. I like to study the forms and it would definitely make sense for Qui Gon to have implemented elements of other forms, especially Djem So. You can actually almost see it in some of his counter attacks with Maul. There's definitely some Djem So influences
Not necessarily qui gon is 6’4 he is also incredibly physically strong even without using the force to augment his strength . Also ataru requires speed , body mass and momentum to give kinetic power behind its strikes
He also implemented Makashi.
Si Vader but without Soreesu
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Similar to Darth Vader Obi-Wan fighting style is quite unique. After the death of Qui-Gon Obi-Wan saw the weaknesses in form 4 and took upon himself to learn and master form 3 but also with the limitations of a offensive that form 3 provides Obi-Wan used what he learned from form 4 to fill in the gaps. Obi-Wan also took in some of the basics of form 1 (body zones) to help him in some areas as well, like his fight with Vader on the Death Star. There is a possibility he might have a very very small amount of form 2 in his fighting style but nothing to obvious. Because you got remember even Qui-Gon used mostly form 4 his master was Dooku and I'm sure Qui-Gon picked up a few things from form 2 especially later on when he was getting older. But obviously it wasn't enough to prevent his death.
Dooku's style definitely passed down to Obi-Wan: Dooku used the famous Obi-Wan back block in that fight against Obi-Wan.
Because he saw his student QQ after getting his hand chopped off by Dooku! Kenobi knew he had to adapt.
Obi-Wan Kenobi adapted 12 years before his duel with Dooku and his duel with Dooku had absolutely nothing to do with him changing anything with his form of lightsaber combat
This was perfect of Obi-Wan :D Very smart. He choose perfect style. His experiences changed him. Like you said,Maul and Dooku. He lost to Maul,to Dooku. This is perfect. Obi-Wan mixes Ataru and Soresu. Great analysis :D May the Force be with you too :D
He didn't lose to Maul he cut him in half.
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 he did, maul kicked his ass, then he got lucky maul got cocky
@bradleysaunders1730 call it what you want, but he still got cut in half, that is a loss no matter how you spin it.
I can't say obiwan is my favorite Jedi but he is garnering more of my respect.
Great video as always mate, thank you for your consistent great content.
Obi-Wan did what any good duelist would. He changed with the times.
And still lost to dooku
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Obi Wan has and always will be my most favorite Jedi Master. Great vid. Thanks
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Ataru's speed and agility compliments many lightsaber forms
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Great video, such a good reciept as proof that Obi-Wan is the truth and resilient and versatile!
that was very cool to learn
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In fairness a duel on tattoine in that heat . Would be more exhausting that most worlds.
incredible detailed
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Qui Gon Jinn was 48 years old in Canon and form 4 depletes energy relatively quickly these are the 2 main reasons why he lost
His Age and the Forms weakness
Many people claim he was 60, so it apparently depends on who you ask.
In Canon he’s 48 I’d prefer that
@@wyattgerald9832 Liam Neeson was 48 when they filmed it, but Qui-Gon was 60 in TPM. It's right there in the novelisation, and thus true... unless Disney changed it while I wasn't looking
@@ZoeMalDoran Disney changed it
@@wyattgerald9832 Why does that not surprise me?
Haha he said last duel with Vader knowing a new hope happens that takes some balls this guy has balls love your videos always man
Intro now? Impressive, most impressive…
Dude... that's a very powerful line of duelists right there. Yoda taught Doku, who taught Qui Gon, who taught Obi-Wan, who taught Anakin. Hell, Luke learned from both Old Ben and Yoda as well(And even adopted and used Vader's own form V against him). No wonder the Skywalkers are such devastating combatants. Shout-out to all of the lightsabre wielders I just mentioned, by the way. They are all badasses in their own ways.
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Obi is the best Jedi they have in the order. His intelligence is so vast.
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Form 2 and 3 combined would make the best fighters imho.
One of them.
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Hmm.......I have always thought that the first three forms when combined or say major in one while minoring in the other two, would be very effective for a Jedi.
Obi wan kenobi was always my fave character in star wars
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Every source I can find, and from what I knew already, states that Kenobi switched to Soresu after his duel with Maul, not after his duel with Dooku. He saw the flaws with Ataru after watching his master (an Ataru practitioner) defeated and killed by Maul.
It'll take years to change and commit to a form. He definitely started after defeating Maul but perfected it years later.
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I don't know if anyone's asked this question but, Has anyone thought about how Qui-gon's fate might be different if he didn't push towards Maul in the Plasma chamber and remained in the section he was so Obi-Wan could catch up?
I was actually just thinking that, even a force push to delay maul then jumping backwards closer to obi wan before the shields went up
Hmm, yeah. It might have been beneficial to wait for ObiWan there, but if Maul had rushed him in response and fought him within the space of the barriers, it would have been even more detrimental to QuiGon's Ataru form. Though, admitedly, Maul might have had to turn one blade off in order to properly maneuver in such close quarters.
One might even consider that Maul could have tested how the barrier reacted to his lightsaber in order to decide whether he'd engage there or further down the hall.
Maybe Qui-Gon didn’t want to chance Maul fighting Obi-Wan, just in case. Cool theory though
Qui-gon was riotously feeding his own ego believing that he could defeat Maul! He is now Qui-gone!
I don't think Obi-Wan would be what he became if it wasn't for Qui-gon's death. He is the only one to defeat Vader then become a force ghost. That being said Luke would of not become what he became if Obi-Wan killed Vader. I think it's a circle of balance. The Force works in mysterious ways my friends.
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The best offense, is an impenetrable defense.
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BEN IS MY SECOND FAVORITE JEDI FIRST WOULD BE MASTER WINDU BEN WAS TRU SITE TO SEE IN THE MIX HE WOULD ALWASYS BLEND HIS opponents
I wonder what would the battle be with current Jedi vs old sith like Tulak Hord in a saber fight.
I'm listening to master and apprentice fir the first time. ( audiobook) not finished but I have some criticisms. Or Canon errors. ( timline, technology. Ect ). I got it for free when I bought another book )
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1:11 😂
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Obi-Wan had no choice in becoming one of the best all-round Jedi duelists. His teacher was Qui-Gon for starters (no explanation needed here), but Kenobi was a top level neophyte regardless of who he was learning from. Qui-Gon inadvertently taught him a last lesson on Naboo (he had to die to do it...goddamnnit!!) but nonetheless, he taught him that form 4 wasn't the best form, (especially because Kenobi knew of what was likely coming) and knew he had to do something or quite frankly...end up dead. This is the hallmark of a truly intelligent person, _adaptation_ . He would have put in a lot of study and research before doing something as drastic as changing his fighting form. No small task! He would have had to first learn form 3 (form 3, right?) so, learn form 3, then master form 3, then use it in real combat situations and finally (whew!) realize that if he combined parts of his original form 4 with his current form 3, he had an advantage of _surprise_ in almost every duel after that combination was also mastered and found that he could do things (he prolly didn't even realize!). I base this mostly on the fact that Obi-wan was a thinker as well as a duelist. He learned that you could "bend the rules"of two separate disciplines and cross them into the boundaries of each other into one form that was distinctly better than either of the other two forms alone. Qui-Gon would have been no prouder. \m/
Question please: I know Yoda said no, but IF Obi Wan had confronted Sidious would it have been ridiculously one-sided or as THE master of soresu would Obi Wan have held out?
I’m sceptical because of Sidious’ crazy speed. He’d probably just resort to using the force too, I expect…
Obi-Wan wouldn't stand a chance against Sidious. He couldn't stand up to Dooku, Sidious would insta-kill him..
@@MrKevin486dooku was a better dueler than hideous anyways
@@jordanmayne2270 he wasnt, he was great but not better than sidious
@@MrKevin486in the RotS novelization Obi Wan did in fact match Dooku with the blade, which is why he used the force to knock Obi Wan out of the fight. Dooku noticed how fast Obi Wan had become and how his defense was nearly unbreakable in saber combat. He knew he couldn’t hold out against both Obi Wan and Anakin so he used the force to knock Obi Wan out of the fight, resulting in his loss to Anakin as Anakin grew enraged and struck at his form 2 blade work with extreme force. By RotS if Sidious and Obi Wan ONLY fought with sabers, I think Obi Wan could have held out for quite some time. With the use of the force though, Sidious would have over powered Obi Wan. Anakins form 5 was nearly as aggressive as Sidious’ form 7, and definitely more powerful in terms of striking force. And Obi Wan held his own quite well against that.
@@bradleysaunders1730Dooku was a better duelist then Sidious. Sidious was just a lot more powerful…
I thought he changed forms arfter Episode 1? As much as I like form 3, it seems to be a weak style against form 2. Like we see against Dooku. But overall, form 3 and 5 would be my chosen styles. I would use people like Obi Wan, Anakin/Darth Vader and Luke for as inspiration
He didn't master it in AOTC... ROTS is an accurate comparison.
He changed lightsaber Styles after qui-gon's death not after he dueled Dooku😂😂😂
@@persuasivebarrier2419 no that was not the first part or the last part that was the part you got to remember where your information is coming from this is the same guy that was promising to give away Force effects lightsabers to his viewers and never did you must be new here
@@persuasivebarrier2419 this guy has made up about as much lore Disney has LOL
@@persuasivebarrier2419 just going by the stupendous idiot timeframe Obi-Wan Kenobi would have became the most prolific form 3 user in the history of lightsaber combat and he would have done that in the time span of three years if you are dumb enough to believe what this guy is saying when what actually happened is he noticed the defensive deficiencies that are in form 4 so from the time Qui-Gon die until the end of Revenge of the Sith Obi-Wan dedicated his life to the Perfection of form 3
@@persuasivebarrier2419 thank you for an answer to a question no one asked
@@persuasivebarrier2419 obi wa... i mean reva series 1 was okish mando season 1-2 were good dont know what happened season 3 lol boba sucked andor was ok and lets hope they dont shit on ahsoka
Great video, but i disagree with the part of ben not being able to match against vader on a new hope, it was just not his job anymore.
Obi-Wan is my favourite Jedi
Ever since watching the duel with Vader in Kenobi, I always found it odd that Obi-Wan never taught Anakin Qui-Gon's Ataru form as I could see a young Padawan Anakin begging to learn the form due to his attachment with Qui-Gon.
Anakin did incorporate Ataru into his footwork with Djem So.
Form 4 is all about offense no defense. Me personally I would master form 1,3,4,5 and choose Niman.
So everything but 2 and 7.
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy I would add form 2.l, but form 7 is a restricted form. Not sure if the council would allow it.
@@treiwilson9445 Luke changed the philosophy of Djem So to end fights quickly to not prolong violence to subdue your enemy and only kill if needed to. A Jedi outlook on an aggressive form the council thought would lead to the dark side. Given that said, you could use the light in form 7 Juyo instead of the dark.
Since it's random, it's the perfect attack form. So realistically, all you need is 3 and 7.
Attack and defense.
I'd use Soresu, but I'd also use Vaapad when necessary. You can probably guess who my master would be...
@@AntasmaTheBatKing The only other person who knows it. Lmao
can we all agree though that Qui Gon has the best looking lightsaber
Nah, too basic to be the best looking. I will say one of the most practical hilts at least.
When did Anakin ever pause before using the force? He absolutely shreds droids and even Barris with the force during combat.
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First came maul then came the clone war the reasons for obi wan to change his lightsaber form
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Day 144 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
Yet, he'll sit around and rehash the same content. And I'm pretty sure he changed it after Qui-Gon Jinn died fighting Darth Maul.
There are already videos about that.
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy I don't recall asking you
@@samuelrobles3737 and???
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy and its funny that you proceed to give incorrect information 😂
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I do jiujitsu, and most of the players at my gym are also wrestlers, which you could classify as at LEAST Form IV, but possiby even Form VII in some cases. Because of this, I consider myself to be a Form III practitioner.
It works best at defeating those types of opponents, in a broad, philosophical sense.
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I thought he changed it after he fought Maul.
I thought Kamikoto was a scam company..
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I’m sure obi wan taught Anakin Ataru
it was after maul, you cant tell me this guy became the master of form 3 in only 3 years? 13 sounds much more reasonable and it would make no sense if it was after dooku, since form 3 answers the weaknesses of form 4 and works well against form 7
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That's funny, because Yoda had a very prolonged engagement with Sidious, yet he wasn't really tired at all. He was so powerful in the Force that using Form IV basically had no effect on him.
That's a lot of mental gymnastics to justify movie choreography.
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