Why Ahsoka Only Using One Lightsaber Against Baylan Was So Important
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The thought care and attention that went into this one duel is far more than what went into the 3 sequel movies
no, just 7 and 9.
YES YES YES 😂😂 !!!!!! PREACH
@@ScoDiddley8 had people falling over in the background sit down.
@@lilhazey1128 no, TLJ is the best SW movie since ESB.
@@ScoDiddleylmaoooooooo 😂
Also, on two occasions when Ahsoka was fighting someone 1 on 1, her main was disarmed, leaving her with her shorter shoto blade. Switching to one lightsaber allows her to hold a firmer grip on her main blade.
Great shout!
Great point! She's always losing that blade.
Where was the second time she lost her main? In my memory it was only once, while the other times it was her shoto
@@plokoon4331 Iirc, it was with Maul in CW and with Elsbeth in Mandalorian.
@@GGBlaster with Elsbeth wasn't it her main she kept?
This comment by Vader but especially Dooku just shows how little Dooku thought of Asajj Ventress. It's probably similar to why grievous and the inquisitors use intimidation tactics, to make up for a lack in force sensitivity or in this case, skill
Nice analysis. Both Ahsoka and Baylan switch styles frequently through their fight.
While Baylan mostly stuck to a Shien/Djem So hybrid, Ahsoka changed forms more frequently, especially at the beginning of the fight where she was testing Baylan. From the moment she ignites her blade we can see her go from form1/Shi-Cho stance, then to Niman, then Soresu, then in taking a page from Anakin's playbook, she settles back into Shi-Cho --but only as a 'feint' to confuse & throw off Baylan, because she strikes first with a Shien manoeuvre.
Which is why Baylan let out a gasp after their first exchange as he was expecting to parry Shi-Cho strikes and was thrown off guard.
But he's also a quick learner and didn't make that mistake again for the rest of the duel.
Ahsoka actually would have won this fight if it wasn't for her picking up the mcguffin and injuring her left hand, and she absolutely ran circles around Baylan when she started employing Ataru; - after that though, she was too distracted to concentrate; between her weekend state, then Shin & Sabine showing up compounded by Baylan's fierce downward strikes & her running out of room... well there she goes. Next fight will be completely a completely different ballgame though, with her mind not distracted by mcguffin devices and worrying about her delinquent Padawan. 😆🤣
i agree with you 100%. there is a lot of people on here did not watch thatt fight with detail. she was winning until she got distracted and her hand was burn.
Good analysis but kinda flawed how I saw it was ashokas first assault was just completely blunted by baylans raw strength. And the second assault Ashoka does she is again overwhelmed when baylan starts to put in elbow grease. Ashoka then switches to ataru to get around baylans strength. This does work for a little bit until baylan grabs her arm and throws her and then pushes her into a corner and then tries to use dun Mach, Ashoka gets anrgy and baylan just allowed her to kick him? Not once not twice but three times?? That’s the only part of the duel which was really weird and stupid. Especially when we just saw baylan just counter everything Ashoka did.
@@danman6431 you are wrong he never, never had the upper hand on her, until she burned her hand, and got distracted. up until then, she countered all his power moves. and if she was just concentrating on the fight, and not trying to stop the signal, it would have been a different ending to the first fight. next time watch what happens. how can you say he had the upper hand, when it was he who got kicked on is back to the ground.
She should've employed more telekinesis in the fight
@@DADDYDRAGONGIRLshe really should've employed more telekinesys against him or against that sphere or just straight up destroyed it
Baylon is such a badass! It hurts my soul that we lost Ray. He is everything Star Wars needs!!! Everytime he is on screen, I'm glued!
Gone to soon.... I wanted more of his background... and his apprentice.
@aquariussarron5444 hopefully we get their backstory. Most likely comic book
Is his actor dead?
@@thunderlion6909 yuh uh 😢
@@thunderlion6909 yes sadly 😥
Ashoka always amazes me and never disappoints, being the apprentice of the chosen one,there's a lott of pressure on her in everything she does or deals with.Ashoka at this time is in her prime,she has the experience of training with the old Jedi order, yearsb of combat during the clone wars,and being Anakin's student learning by his side,also picking up tactics and strategies plus pilot experiences. And is not "old" yet
she was unbalanced... she let the legacy of Vader instead of Anakin haunt her ..... she is gonna be exactly what you say after she talks to Anakin in the world of worlds... she's gonna get back to Sabine and finish her training
@@sethdelvalle hopefully she does lol,and yea noticed that too,big different from before she fought Vader and was with the rebels crew...to now 😭 what got me was she's was willing to basically sacrifice not seeing Ezra again if it means Thrawn not coming back..she has fear and trying to mask it by being kinda of a arrogant lil brat..just like the Jedi high council of the old order,n she don't see it yet
@@reyvillegasjr166it’s called a sacrifice for the better good, as much as she cared for Ezra after all he saved her life and she did his multiple of occasions, Trawn was a bigger treat and Ezra knew that and that’s why he choose to make the sacrifice which is learned from Doon, it would be a slap in the face for Ezra’s sacrifice.
@@originalloverman no I know ,I get it but luke could not and would not kill Vader even if it meant the galaxy would be safe and all that stuff, obi wan couldn't kill Anakin twice. Sometime even us here knoww we should make the logical or even the right choice and that some of us need to make the tough or correct choice and not everyone can do that,,Revan when he was still a Jedi did all kinds of horrible things to win a single battle, sacrificing innocents, civilians, Jedi,entire planets. Hell I always say that I would kill and sacrifice millions ...to save billions. The choice we make isn't always or understanding. If Luke would've listened to both Yoda and obi wan about killing Vader he probably would've became worse than his father.. ultimately he made the right choice by leavingt degobah when he did,it's funny by doing what he wasn't supposed to do and risking going to the dark side Acually saved not only himself,but redeemed Vader,and the galaxy and the Jedi. It's why we love these movies so much I think 😃
The mix of the idea "Jedi channel their minds through their lightsabers" with really layered sword choreography is brilliant in this.
It's very much the edge of the blade is their where their will, focus and understanding/centering in the force meet and mix.
Shown by how Baylan easily swipes away Ashoka as soon as he sees her emotionally destabilised by Sabine not destroying the map.
My interpretation was Baylan got pissed off after seeing Shin get force pushed hard. As if his original goal was just playing defense keeping Ahsoka away from the map, because as he said earlier he didn't really want to exterminate any more Jedi. Then suddenly he shifted to 'screw this I'm taking her out'.
@@lw1391 he was not winning
No need of being a force wielder to have your effectiveness lowered by altered emotional states. Being confused by Sabine is a good way to lose some of her focus. Not much, not for long, but enough for an experienced fighter to take advantage of. And Baylan is nothing if not experienced.
@@MjolnirFeawNo need to be a force wielder for that to work, but maybe the only way to find a gap in the focus of someone as centered in the force as Ashoka.
Jedi Survivor implements this battle philosophy well. A master of the single blade is a balanced dualist who is prepared for any scenario, whereas someone less skilled would have to choose a style with a certain strength, and thus a certain weakness.
I main dual wield bc I like high agro and speed, but I often have to dodge attacks instead of blocking due to weak defense. I think I’ll pick up the single blade after this!
I haven't played survivor yet, but I have played fallen order multiple tiems, and this is also the case for me. I main dual wield because I have a really aggressive playstyle, and I noticed that I almost never try to parry an attack, but instead dodge them
Agree 100%. Single blade was my main stance in Survivor, always the primary choice in my loadouts. The balance, versatility and attention to quality over quantity I feel made it the most immersive stance for the pure Jedi (or Sith) playstyle.
With the fully upgraded skill tree, the right perks, Force power mastery and great skill and understanding of combat fundamentals (parrying, timing etc...), I was practically invincible even on Grandmaster, going as far as to beat every boss with it.
I was hoping someone would discuss this. I actually think she only used one saber against Marrok because she didn’t need two and saw a weakness in her last encounter. She remained with only one saber when she fought Baylon because she wasn’t there to fight him, she was there to take the key. She needed one hand available to make the grab and go.
agreed. The only thing now to discuss- why make Baylan more powerful than Maul, Vader, Grievous, Asajj Ventress, and all Inquisitors?? Unless this dude is somehow better than Mace and Yoda, this is just dumb. Its just lazy writing to move Sabine out of Ahsoka's reach. Come on, Dave. You can do better.
@bobf5360 He's no more powerful than any of them.
It seemed he was because of the strength of his blows and Ahsokas eventual vulnerability throughout the fight.
@@bobf5360because there is a very important piece of data that is missing from this video and discussion. Maybe it's just so subtle that lots of people seem to be missing it. Baylan is out would seem a master gaslighter.
He took the upper hand from his very first words. "Anakin spoke highly of you". We saw from episode 1 that Ahsoka can't deal with him being brought up. Hera, who is practically her best friend, casually brings him up and it shattered the moment. For her enemy to not just bring him up and but to keep talking about him again and again to speak of what he became and then to expose her vulnerability that she would have almost certainly not shared with almost anyone it affected her to the point that she ended up striking out at him in anger.
Remember what she told Sabine in episode 3 "anger and frustration are quick to give power but they unbalance you.". All through this fight he landed verbal strike after verbal strike on her completely unbalancing her. Which is seen when he tells her that "your legacy like your master's is death and destruction". Those words finally shattered what little balance she had left and she attacked him in anger. That was the moment she lost the fight. Even if she hadn't burned herself she wouldn't have been able to regain her balance. A necessary factor for a non dark side user. And even though Ahsoka was reading into the dark side seem most prominently when she slams shin into the henge (and possible force chokes for for a moment before hand). Ashoka herself is not a dark side user.
Baylan was such a difficult opponent for her because he found her weakness and exploited it long before blades were ever drawn
@@sakisaotome6753 I still believe that Baylon being strong or op is simply due to the fact a lot of people aren’t putting it together. Ahsoka would have went at him with all she had, using both light sabers and her most affective fighting style if she was there to kill Baylon, and I think she would have easily succeeded. She was there for the key and needed one hand available to grab it. Baylon saw this and he felt it gave him the advantage. Then after burning her hand, he knew she would no longer be able to revert to her dual blades thus making the statement about her making a big mistake.
@@dustingre8 The problem with that idea is that ahsoka had other options in regards to the map. She could have tried to force push it off the alter or even slashed at the alter so that it would prevent them from using the map while still keeping it safe. she also could have just dropped one of her blades when she was close enough to grab it. and then pulled it back to her when she got a chance. but she never tried any of those. honestly i think she was just so focused on baylan she wasn't thinking straight. she didn't even really make any attempts to go for the map until much later in the fight. Basu
She knew that he was jedi trained. As the padawan of Anakin skywalker everyone in the order would have known about her just as everyone knew about him. that means that it would have been common knowledge that she is preferred jar kai by the time that she left the order. If she was thinking straight, she would have started like this and then swapped to the single bladed form that she was using. it wouldn't be something that he would have expected, since she is so well known for being a dual wielder.
Moreover, Baylan was playing the role of defender and Ahsoka was on a countdown timer. There was no need for him to attack her. in fact, the longer they didn't fight the better it was for their cause. Baylan simply needed to stall long enough for the map to finish uploading to the ship. As long as Baylan could keep her from taking/stopping the map, then any tactict that he used to delay were good. once she grabbed the map however he was forced to switch tactics. he could no longer rely and pure defence. the fact that she burned herself was certainly a huge advantage. but the fact that she got through his defence made her a liablity to his mission.
She could have easily started with 2 blades adn then swapped one handed without fear of him trying to attack her in the couple of seconds it would take to stow her second lightsaber away. This is why i say that she was too distracted by her Anakin issues to think through her fight clearly and it only got worse the longer the fight dragged on until he got to the magic line about their legacy being death and destruction and she flipped a gasket. That moment in which she gave into her anger was the moment that she lost. she literally schooled Sabine about that just 1 episode ago. "Anger and Frustration are quick to give power, but they also unbalance you." she fell into the same trap that Sabine had been falling into during their sparring session.
i used to on board with your idea that it was just because she needed the free hand to grab the map, but she literally could have tried to push it off the alter first to stop the upload and then tried to get the orb.
While I was watching the fight I was thinking that the heavy strickes & enphasis on overpowering Ashoka with strength reminded me of both Vader & Malgus.
Well both Vader and malgus were big guys so
Awesome analysis. This was literally a master class in lightsaber dueling techniques. Well done friend! Excellent attention to detail and background analysis!!! Wow! 🙌🏾💯
That was amazing. Super in-depth. I really appreciate you explaining that. I’m going to show my nephew and younger brother who love the clone wars so much and have really been missing the duel light saber of Ahsoka, but now, perhaps this will help them better understand why
Lightsaber battles should have more sudden reversals, and less turning your back on the enemy. That being said, they do seem to be respecting distance a little more in this series which is very nice to see.
It bumped me ever slightly every time I saw them turn one complete round in a close combat. I had to tell myself "it's okay, they employed the immediate foresight in fighting and force nudging" every time it happened 😆 just gotta love how distinguished lightsaber duels are compared to other kinds of combat
This was the best light Saber battle I've seen since the prequels I'm so in love with episode 4 I believe imo this is the best episode Disney has made I'm sorry I know the Luke appearance was hitting ppl in the feels but that's 2nd only cuz the battles are more important than ever right now we need more of those and sabeen put that helmet on and unleashed that Mando energy I loved every bit of that I mean he forms and aggression was on point it's like watching a navy seal or special operator do his job its just amazing and she improved alot in he Saber skills she came prepared with more defense and keep the offense ready....BEST EPISODE EVER!!!!!!! [ THIS VIDEO WAS SPOT ON TOO BY THE WAY BROTHER GOOD SHIT YOU MAKE ME WANNA GO DO SOKE RESEARCH ON THE FOURMS AGAIN]
Nice video!!! Very interesting breaking down the styles & the detail of forms. Thanks!!!
Love this breakdown, look forward to these 8 to 10 minute analysis and theories! You always seem to touch on little nuances and questions I find myself asking ? Stupendous is scholarly as always, you could teach lectures on Star Wars lore if it ever became a collegiate subject!
Anybody notice during the duel when Shin arrives from dueling Sabine how it distracted Ashoka? She even used a dark side chokehold to put her down thinking she might’ve killed Sabine this time? There’s a hint of attachment there for Wren, it maybe why she avoided her all this time? Even Baylan senses it and uses it to his advantage to retrieve the star map from Wren. This entire episode felt like the original trilogy Star Wars and the Force felt more branch out and esoteric! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Very interesting analysis. I was thinking that if Ahsoka faced Baylan again this season, after her hand is healed, she would use two lightsabers this time to defeat him.
Assuming that the analysis in the video holds up, then it would depend on whether or not she had the open ground to work her particular style...
@@tank2045 Acknowledged
@@tank2045she doesn’t need open space for form 5 which she is likely a master of by this point considering that was 1 of the main forms she used alongside ataru although she is definitely better with 2 she definitely doesn’t need it
She'll finish him later..
Nice job. You answered a lot of my questions in this video, especially about Ahsoka's one lightsaber duels 👌👍👍👍👍
@thestupendouswave excellent analysis! Thank you for enlightening us!
Long time viewer of your channel. You killed it on this one. I love all your videos but this one, this is one of your best imo. Keep it going!
Thank you, I have tried to defend Ahsoka's use of one blade in other comment sections. I could not explain it well enough and people often use how Ahsoka managed to strike Anakin in their duel using two blades. Your analysis helps show that for most of the fifth her two blades were a hindrance. When Ahsoka got the strike on Anakin she had managed to actually put some space between them so she could get the running start and leap to strike him. For most of that duel though, you are right. Vader was pressing her and closing in to use his greater power and leverage and it was clearly working.
When Ahsoka's hand was injured while dueling Baylan. You can see when she could not use a two-handed grip that Baylan easily was overpowering her. She actually had to use the force at the end to hold her blade since she could not use a two-handed grip.
I would also argue that even though she quipped that Anakain had never mentioned Baylan. That does not mean she was not aware of him. I do not know enough about Baylan Skoll, but it is possible as a duelist he was known for easily defeating those who used a two-lightsaber style. She may have known that with the terrain and this particular duelist, she was better off using one saber.
People forget that Ahsoka is NOT the brash young teen from the Clone Wars. She is older and wiser even more so than in Rebels now. As this video points out, her encounter with Vader would have been a huge lesson. If Ezra had not used the world between worlds to rescue her, Vader was about to defeat her despite her striking him with a heavy blow. We also learn she took Sabine as an apprentice. As far as I know, that is the first time Ahsoka has ever taken on a padawn. Taking on that kind of responsibility changes you. As it changed Anakin.
One reaction channel put that they are portraying Ahsoka as boring. I could not disagree more. They are showing a level of growth we would expect from Ahsoka. Especially given all that she has been through. You still see evidence of that brash young teen in her mannerisms and she still will make those quips. But she is older and wiser. This generally comes out as more reserved.
Ahsokas' only vulnerability was her attachments, and Baylan knew that was the only way he was going to win. That is why he started to verbally (subtly) lay into her the moment she arrived. Its not just a villain monologueing in a evil way, its a very purposed attempt to unbalance Ashoka so he can defeat her.
Also Some People need to Know you to Respect you Baylan had some respect for Ahsoka's after all he does not meet many equal to his Level or Social Standing so why not Talk a bit + that gave him a couple more minutes of time because his Apprentice would surely win and help him.
I recall reading somewhere (can't recall where) that the talky-talky thing the Sith/darksiders do is actually a combat technique. The idea is to get into the opponent's head just enough to disturb their focus. Since connection to the Force relies so much on focus and attention anything that rattles your Force wielding opponent's concentration, even for a second, could be just the opening you need to defeat them. The more the darksider knows about the opponent, the more effective this battlefield "Hannibal lecture" is likely to be.
Dooku- "Yoda holds you in such high esteem. Surely you can do better."
Vader- "If you will not turn to the Dark Side, then perhaps she will." (whereupon Luke snaps and goes full Skywalker Rage Mode)
And of course Sidious holds a 10th dan black belt in this technique.
Yes Talking what Changes Good Focus or Motivation is a Good thing Even IRL for Talking or Fighting Violently depending on the Person you could disarm the Person Fully @@Archangelarts
and her lack of foresight and intelligence
Wow! What an amazing analysis and breakdown... So much insight, thank you.
Such a cool duel. Can only imagine what’s gonna happen next. As strong as Baylan seems, I don’t see his odds being in his favor on their next confrontation.
Excellent analysis. I learned a lot about the various styles and Ahsoka’s mods. Great stuff.
I love your videos. I would have never thought of any of these points on my own. Thanks.
It’s a shame the actor die because I would prefer a series focusing in him and his apprentice
I like him and Hati. They are a good pair and it’s nice to see two dark side users who aren’t sith or inquisitors, just a master and apprentice working towards their own goals. Love the fact they have Nordic names as well
I'll be honest, I thought it was for a much simpler reason: She wanted a hand free to grab the map as soon as she got close enough to it...
I enjoy the hell out of these kind of breakdowns. Keep up the good work.
George must be so proud of Filoni lately.
In classic samurai movies there is a battle before the battle, where fighters size each other up and analyze eachothers techniques while they stand ready. Some anime's play off that and a battle of the minds will occur where a samurai will yeld before a sword is drawn because they know they cant win. Ashoka and Baylin has that kind of a fight in episode 4, the switching of multiple stances was brilliant. One person chooses a form the other counters until either a weakness is found or impatience sets in. Ashoka moved first against Baylin but not morrok. Masterwork of non verbal story telling.
This makes so much sense, you’ve genuinely taught me something i’ve always wondered. Cheers!!
@@lilhazey1128dude same😂it’s something I’ve “noticed” but never actually noticed
The battle of technique was masterful, a true insperation from Samurai movies. This show is a show about Ronin. Two Jedi/samurai lost after the fall of the jedi order, begining of the Megi era and end of samurai, and are trying to move forward. Both Ronin trying to keep alive thier beliefs though a Aprentice whom before would have not been allowed to become samurai/jedi . Chefs Kiss
Greatswords depend on the mass swinging at the end of the sword. EDIT: With no mass at the front end of the saber, unless he has some performance issue like Mando and Sabine, where non force people have a thor hammer effect, the mass of the hilt would not carry through to the strike, especially if the mass issue is in his head.
The Ashoka-Baylen duel is possibly my favorite SW fight yet. I loved watching Maul, but this was just exquisite. The pace, calculation, strategy, dialogue.
And old woman doing wall jumps in slowmo… cmon 😂
Great video. Episode absolutely hits
I am greatly appreciating you analysis of the fights in the Ahsoka show.
Great breakdown, thank you!
Offtopic, this is a reference to Musashi's dual-wielding style. He mentioned in his book the advantages of dual-wielding against multiple opponents and a disadvantage against a single opponent with better reach and guard.
Great breakdown of this! I was wondering why she only had one blade...It all makes sense now! Huge thank you and thumbs up!
Her burning her hand and most of her focus put to getting the map off the stone, kinda gave Baylan the upper hand in this fight. If she didn't go after the map, this fight would have been completely one sided. Ahsoka at this point, is the most well trained sabre duelist in the whole galaxy...trained by the best duelist to ever live. Baylan honestly doesn't stand a chance with her focused on the fight. Ahsoka went blow for blow with the strongest Sith lord to ever live...that happened to be the greatest sabre duelist to ever live, made him sweat and put him to his knees.
If she was that powerful shouldn't she also be wise enough to know she can handle him with focus and then get the map... seems she isn't as sure of herself as you seem to be in her.
@@cjp1599 Exactly...now you get why she is in the world between worlds face to face with Anakin. She's still not over her past.
@@cjp1599yeah, she hasn’t exactly accepted and moved on from her past.
You overrate her a bit here but she would likely win high/extreme diff against baylan
@@wkdxcrimex duh
Thanks for the videos. I enjoy your channel. Small disagreement (from someone who practices martial arts with different weapons). The use of two blades does not necessarily "sacrifice ones defensive capabilities". The use of two blades requires extensive training to strengthen ones forearms and can be very effective to set a wider defense radios as well as serve as distraction to create opportunities for cutting/slashing or piecing movements, as well as controlling multiple opponents attacks. When facing strong(er) opponents the use of two blades might become very hard as blows from the opponent would be much more difficult to block; hence, redirecting the energy of the blows is a better option, if the choice for the two blades is still desired. There are other aspects to be considered as well but this gives an idea of what I wanted to express. At the end of your video (Anakin's fight) you illustrated some of what I mentioned. Anakin was much stronger than the female opponent and he made that strength turn the fight on his favor. In the case of the Ahsoka fight, she was blocking too much and losing. She should have deflected and used her faster movement capabilities on her favor. That duel was very well created overall, since Ahsoka was to lose on the episode.
I think Asoka is adapting to the situation. Remember she never finished her training with anakin and walk away from the Jedi we she her next fighting Vader and finds her style of saber use didn't work in small areas .Asoka is copying anakin in one way combining styles
*see not she.
It's also interesting to note that Ashoka was only on the backfoot against Baylen after she burnt her hand and could no longer use her sword with two hands.
Also on her usual use of two lightsabers when she was a Padawn Anakin made it a point of her learning to fight with only one lightsaber as it was noted that most saber duelists that use two lightsabers become reliant on the second blade and will be at a disadvabtage if deprived of it.
As far as her level of mastery she's likely the most proficient and experienced Duelist in the Galaxy at this point, I say this knowing full well Luke is kicking around somewhere, but to that I say Luke hasn't had a fraction of the experience Ashoka had
I’d second this opinion regarding mastery with the blade. However, Luke’s sheer affinity with the force would balance them both as equals (at this point in the story). Later on, not only would Luke become a master in his own right but nearing demi-god levels through his connection with the force.
Great viedo. I've wondered why she only used one saber against them, she has done so for a while when she is in a duel. This acually makes a lot of sense, I noticed how hard Baylin's blows were on her yet this didn't even cross my mind, that she needed to have both of her hands on the same saber because of phycical streangth, not even when he over powers her after she can't use both hand did this occur to me. Why I never notice things like this ia getting depressing. I remember that duel between Anakin and Barris, how Anakin owned the duel with a single saver, after he ditched the second one. This is why most Jedis and Siths use a single blade, unless they are not in a duel and fighting many opponents at the same time.
I agree, that Ahsoka using one blade was a way to understand and study Baylan's fighting style.
Baylan fighting with two hands actually leaves him open for hits because he is slower to strike. Therefore, using two blades would be beneficial for her to beat him... not to mention ignoring his chatter.
she needed a free hand to take the map
I think it was more about the locale
She fought Marrok and Baylon on relatively cofined spaces
And Baylon was trying to kill, Ahsoka wasn't
She was desperate to stop to transmission, to the point of grabbing it with her hand
She was also a little bit distracted trying to do three things at once, taking the ball, worring about Sabine and fighting Baylon
It's safe to say, Ahsoka cares more about Sabine than Baylon does to Shin
"taking the ball" 💀
Don't really think Baylan wanted to kill her
Thanks for the explanation great viewpoint as It griped me very much and was wondering why she was using Anakins style.
I was Never a big Star Wars Nerd. I mean I watched the movies and series, however I never really looked much into the deep stuff, and when I saw the fight scene against Baylan I was surprised and asked myself why she switched from two to one lightsaber. And after each ring this video I am truly flabbergasted that there goes so much thought into these fights all across Star Wars. I mean you showed clips from previous series and I never realized that some have different strengths with different styles. Also if you think about the tactics it is truly amazing. Thanks for the video, you explained it perfectly 👍👍
Very cool vid, thank you for it
Wow! very well thought out.
It's also a good approach in that, by this point, Baylan should've known how Ahsoka fights in general. She's been known for fighting with 2 swords since the clone wars. Baylan would've had the advantage cos he'd know how she fights. Ahsoka's information on Baylan, on the other hand, was limited. All she had was the security hologram from episode 1, and that's against blaster wielding opponents. The only thing she knew about the guy from that was that he is patient, methodical, and preferred to let the opponents come to him. Her going with the 1 blade approach was brilliant in that she didn't give him anything to work with and reset the playing field.
Even on a more open field, I think she may have the same issue as Qui Gon did. Ahsoka is neither as small or young as she used to be. Now this could just be due to Rodario's irl build, however, if we look at Jedi such as qui gon he has a relatively sturdy build and is older. This makes Ataru more strenuous on him meaning he will tire out faster as opposed to someone like Yoda who is small and would be considered a toddler at qui gon's age similar to little grogu. Even at 800 Yoda was pretty nimble and energetic in ataru due to his small stature meaning less energy needed to expended.
There's a notion that a large stature will make you slower as seen in the anime dragonballz when trunks uses a supercharged version of super saiyan giving him boost in power but bulkier muscles that weighed him down. However if you are used to moving with a larger size then size shouldn't matter. It's more about stamina which tends to lessen with age and even then there are two types: Aerobic which is long term and anaerobic which is short term. In a fight anaerobic is generally more preferable because it is about explosiveness while aerobic is about longevity. Gamers may recognize as burst dps and sustained dps, one ends the fight the other drags it out.
Ataru is better in short fights but shien and djem so are better long term unless faced with soresu which is a form for turtling. That's why obi wan did so well against anakin.
Nice breakdown bro 🙌🏽
Thanks man!
This show has been absolutely amazing the attention to detail is so beautiful you can tell they care to please the fans
Classic Katan’o 😉 vs Broadsword styles. I really liked when Baylan over-swung he would follow through with a spin and over head slash to maximize his momentum/power
Damn, I've never seen such an in-depth analysis of a lightsaber duel. Bravo.
What an incredible breakdown. If this much thought really went into the combat here, Filloni is truly a master of storytelling.
Loved the choreography of these lightsaber duels
I'm guessing we will see a "raiders of the lost ark" type tale as she may have the map burned into her hand. Maybe not but i immediately thought that when she burned her hand
That would be hard since she was wearing fingerless gloves, and we could see her burned fingers and they didn't have symbols on them.
I was thinking that would be a good way to have her find peridia but then I remembered that actually couldn’t work since she actually needs the ball to see the map it wouldn’t work if she just used 1 “side” of the ball, a more logical way would be that Sabine is being tracked or they use pergil
We'll that was brilliant thank you
I just concluded that the simple fact is that Jedi were often trained to disarm opponents more so than Inquisitors and Sith who are more aggressive. So there is a disadvantage to using two lightsabres as you cannot keep a firm grip on both compared to holding one with both hands. Further to this, Ahsoka is much older now and has to draw more upon the Force to be as acrobatic therefore a more reserved style is needed when her focus needs to be on bracing herself for Force based attacks and predicting her opponents movements.
There may also be some connectin to the fact she's been spending time with Luke. By the time of the Empire's fall she hasn't recieved any lightsabre training for decades and without someone who can stand back, to be a critical observer, anyone training by themselves can develop bad habits. Luke isn't familiar with all the forms but had trained most recently with Yoda so it is possible that Ahsoka has found she's now more skilled with a single lightsabre when facing a single opoonent.
Fantastic breakdown
This makes perfect sense!
Amazing video!!!
Thank you!
She is practicing single saber forms to better teach Sabine as she uses a single saber. She's using these dark jedi as training droids. That's how good she is.
I love all this analysis from all these channels and it's super fun to dig into this, but people are WAY over-thinking this. Her whole goal in the Baylan fight is to get the map. She needs a free hand to grab it. That simple.
Wouh, that's a very interesting angle, but then, should've been more clear.
Say, start with both blades, then, looking at the map, does a very decisive switch to one blade.
Yes, that's a much better scene.
Great point!
In summary, one lightsaber allows for 2 hands so more strength allowing much greater defence exspecaly against much stronger enemies,
According to star wars lore back handed sabers were better for defence exspecaly blasters (which is complete rubbish)
But the 2 sabers alow for much faster swift strikes great for area denial and multiple opponents (and more chances to attack or block) but can't withstand the strength of a form 5 attack, such as Vader's sabernetic suit and balins great saber good for leverage,
Both opponents also denied Ashoka room and space to move making here ataru defence and attacks much weaker
And against marok she uses shien for defense, then when he preps a powerful spin attack she switches to dejem so to attack
honestly i think anikin had her at her best at order 66 .... the endless training getting sourounded by the 501st with blasters set to stun....that was how she was able to quell maul...balin would of been lost under her strikes then...she was a well tuned machine ...after she talks with anakin in the world of worlds she gonna come back to be a master the likes of master yoda...powerful and wise...love the lore talk ❤
I get more and more educated every time I listen to this channel.
It is so interesting to hear someone who really knows the subject talk about lightsaber combat
Good to see you make other videos other than Matrix videos
Good video, thank you. It's been awhile since I've seen it, but didn't Anakin/Vader go dual light sabers against Dooku?
I enjoyed how they squared up on each other …and adjusted
I'm interested being able to check on your sources regarding their use of Lightsaber form.
If we check there starting stanses : Baylon seems to use Form I Shi Choo and Ahsoka seems to have the same than Ben Kenobi (of Alec Guiness) at the begining of the fight.
Form I's movements are basic but if you add this to the dark side streight of Baylon, it can be an effective way of fighting (after all, Kit Fisto was one of the best duelist during the Clone Wars).
Regarding Ahsoka, then it would be a Form III Soresu? I'm a bit confused on this one :)
I was looking for a logical explanation as it's not evident from the episode. This is very interesting.
Nevertheless, I didn't see confinement, and even if there was, along the Clone Wars, Ahsoka used both her blades in almost any space.
What's more confined than a ship's hallway full of pirates?
I totally expected in her fight with Marrok to use both blades. Then, when he starts spinning the saber, she could've switched to one blade.
This would've been more in character, as she likes to taunt her opponent. Also, would've looked badass.
Regarding Baylan, she arrives with him seated and cloaked, she could've ignited both her blades.
Then, as he stood up and removes his cloak, she takes a better look. He ignites his saber, she measures him. He's larger and stronger, so shifts again to one saber.
Now, there's a better understanding of what she's doing.
As it came off, to me, was an excuse to have her loose, as most of us understand she's way better with two sabers.
Maybe he could've damaged her small saber or thrown it to the sea. He did grab her arm and, with sheer strength, threw her in the air.
Then, she's forced to change strategy.
Miyamoto musashi explains this in a book of five rings. He only ever used two swords against multiple opponents. I'm so glad to see Star wars finally acknowledging this.
Spot on once again. Excellent information on the lore, and the importance of leverage along with the threat of strength to control and will an opponent.
Towards the end of the duel, Baylan was noticeably slower and his strength diminishing. Likely giving Ahsoka valuable information for their next encounter. Something I look forward to. Will be interesting to see if either switch up; such as Baylan moving into a defensive form before he reaches a fatigued state.
Dave Filoni is watching this and thinking to himself, ‘uhhh ya… that’s exactly what I was trying to convey, yes yes, I planned it like that for years now… ‘
I just love how the choreography in this episode feels ripped straight from the prequel.
Reminded me of luke skywalkers duel in empire. The way she moved around in the beginning.
I find it weird that they never get creative with dual wielding lightsabers. Just strike from one side, make them parry you, and then strike from the other side. They either have to parry the other blade, leaving them self open to the first blade, which is still near their body, or they don't and just get chopped up by the second blade.
She does it for multiple reasons. The main one is when you’re fighting 1 on 1 they are probably expecting her to use the double form because they study her, she changes forms to throw them off, also she can use it when they are already fighting, to switch back and forth giving the edge. Imagine you fight someone the whole time with 1 saber then switch to two. She’s just trying to get in there head which is why they added it to show her intelligence. There is also a lot of lightsaber forms with each having strengths and weaknesses, maybe she knows something we don’t again highlighting her intelligence. I think the show creators just wanted her to seem smart being she’s on the run and has to survive
Also George Lukas based the lightsaber fights on a movie called The Seven Samurai from 1954 directed by Akira Kurosawa. So after that everyone who have written lightsaber combat has fallen back on Samurai movie tropes.
She didn't want to kill him, so focused on getting the map. From his words earlier in the series, he knows he's not strong enough to kill her. She knows it too.
Where does he say this? Baylan says he doesn't want to kill her bcs there aren't many jedi left.
@@pullo5518 i agree, he is fully confidant in his abilities
He says 'it would be a shame if she were to die'. Not that he doesn't want to kill her. Big difference.
@@timothywilkinson6745 that proves he knows he is not strong enough to beat her?
Samurai vibes, cherry blossoms, Katana style light saber and Samurai fighting style from Ashoka. where Baylan fights like a Knight. very cool episode and series for far.
...i appreciate all that is written & known about diff fighting styles & when/why to swap 1 for the other.
Moi? if i was in a lightsabre duel? I'd be force blasting sand in their face, or..having a 2nd sabre, or even a
blaster, whilst engaging my opponent in a duel, i'd use the force to fire the blaster at them as it sailed
around them..or use the force to have that 2nd lightsabre detach & go at them. see the movie
"Push" w/Chris Evans & Dakota Fanning for use of telekinesis in fights involving pistols.
I love the way he says “acolytes of the force” 😌😂
That duel was fantastic for all the reasons you highlighted.
I was initially disappointed that AHSOKA lost because she is the embodiment of the sister and has had an amazing connection to the force since she was born.
This result is perfect for a rematch. She will be better prepared and remain focused and kick his arse. She definitely looked distracted by Sabine.
Can't wait for the rematch
There won't be rematch. Ahsoka is dead.
@@Engille967there’s gonna be a rematch
@@Engille967 she is not dead. She is in the world between worlds. She's been there before.
Grabbing the map was the main mistake. Baylan could overpower her onehanded.
@@nicolastomas8436 thanks to Disney logic, there will probably.
It’s because the actress is not capable of looking fluid with two blades.. trust me .. I’m a 4th Dan in Kendo and it is not easy to make this look good let alone actually be sufficient in this style. You can’t even start training in two sword till 3rd Dan and even then it is super limited.
I’m a fan and only giving an actual practical interpretation.
Only dave faloni could get the forums and channels firing on all cylinders again😂 THE GOAT
man you were spot on with this, when she first fought him the first thing I said was that mans a Juggernaut wtf are you gonna do against the strong strikes dual wielding
03:10 where is this art work from???
The reverse grip against the double saber is so smart and then the samurai stance against Baylans knight stance with broad sword
I just totally dorked out when they kept changing stances and styles!!
Great analysis. Ahsoka force powers will always be held back until she can come to terms with Anakin turning to the dark side. Episode 5 will likely show her spiritual journey and her acceptance of dark side Anakin. Completing her Jedi training and coming out of the WBW a jedi and evolving into ahsoka the white.
The idea that using a single form is obsolete is also implied with the inquisitors first dual with kanan where he points out kanan favouring form 4 to a ridiculous degree possibly implying most the Jedi alive at the time of the inquisitors probably had out of necessity hybridised their forms to survive so long
dual-wielding somewhat limits your extension of reach, as well, and Baylan has a tremendous inherent advantage through his height and the type of blade. A lot of defensive technique with dw revolves around using 1 weapon to deflect while striking with the other and that's not effective against an opponent properly utilizing brute force combined with keeping you at bay via longer reach
And this video is exactly what Ahsoka wanted Baylen to feel so she could get past him to the map, which she did. Games within games and Skoll was not the only one playing 😉
Her style switch to throw Marrok off and then taking him down when he lunges mirrors Obi Wan killing Maul in Rebels. Filoni gave us the same scene in live action
I think it was more likely related to his physical size and strength. Djem So utilises the physical users strength and muscle in the blows and using a reverse grip in two hands provides less strength to block and divert them. She is also quite skilled (possibly a master) of Soresu taught to her by Kenobi who was the undisputed master of it. Also, with a long lightsaber blade like her opponent her Shyarn wouldn’t have been able to be very useful in offensive strikes