Ahsoka Tano's Unique Lightsaber Style Examined
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As Captain Rex once said to a young Ahsoka Tano, experience outranks everything. We do a deep analysis of all of the various factors that make Ahsoka Tano a very effective and unorthodox lightsaber duelist.
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@GenerationTech
please tell us what styles use Baylan and Shin?
any info would be great on those mysterious enemies
She used the more defensive version of form 5, shien, for defense.
Torguta clearly have longer lifespans than humans and she happens to have spent her extended youth on the frontlines during a period of constant conflict and then an underground fight for survival. By the time we see her in live action she genuinely has more combat experience than I think any named character at that point with the exception of R2D2 and Chewie
I think force sensitive Togruta's have a natural life span of like two hundred years so if nothing happens she will life for a while
Shes 45 rofl.
Are we counting Vader...?
R2-D2 has extremely limited combat experience. And Chewie? Much less unless there's a lot of fighting Chewie did prior to the Clone Wars. Ahsoka has been fighting hand-to-hand for like 43 years, on the battlefield for like 31.
Ahsoka doesn't have much more combat experience after the CW.
She hid, she became Fulcrum, a spy.
I love the character, but people gotta stop pretending she's one of the best warriors/combatants in Star Wars, because she's not. And unfortunately, I think Disney are too desperate for this show to succeed so her power curve is going to be nuts through the 2nd and 3rd acts.
Ahsoka is good, very, but she's not a great duelist by the standards of her own era ( the prime Jedi order)
Unfortunately, everyone else in current timeline who would be better than her is already dead... Vader, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Grand Inquisitor etc.
100% expecting Beylan and Shin to be helpless whelps against Ahsoka and unless Marrok was written to be just going easy, he's probably some nothing that will be killed off in Ep3 easily.
I love how live action Ahsoka's saber technique says she's long past done messing around (form 13, Allouttafux) with precise and devastating blows. After everything she's lived through you're not going to be the mook who ruins her day.
That head tilt in the first fight with the HK droids was peak "You are not that guy" vibes
It looks like Mace Windu’s style to me, but with two sabers and more acrobatics.
Wait there’s 13 forms?!?? I thought there was 7, where did the other 6 come from?!?
Her agility and acrobatics are second to Yoda and he HAD to rely on it due to his height. For a teen to keep up with Anakin is like a teen girl keeping up with Lebron James on a court IMO. Beating Maul and then an inquisitor with no lightsaber? She's badass.
you know whats briliant about that scene? for a brief moment, after grabbing the blade (like 5 frames or so) you see she's confused and curious about this weird lightsaber then, the next couple of frames, you can see a change in expression as though she sensed and connected with the kyber crystal. its like 12 frames total, so half a second at 24fps. but you see a whole thought process and realisation in that time. props to the animation team for pulling that one off
Ashoka lost the fight, maul lost the battle
@@thijsde1110they both lost the battle
@@tolkienblack yea and no
I do hope we get to see Ahsoka back into her reverse grip lightsaber form
As we saw in Mando S2, I think she reverts back to reverse grip when things get hairy
She switches in and out of it, as needed.
We already have in episode 2 in her fight vs marrow
She switches between both ways
She switches grips as needed because depending solely on reverse grip would be stupid.
@@qchang09yea i agee. Its a style she resorts to when the fight is gonna be a challenge & she knows it.
Addressing Qui-Gon Jinn using Form IV, while it’s not outright stated in the lore, Jinn revised his Ataru technique to better suit his physical conditions. By the time of The Phantom Menace, Qui-Gon was in his sixties, so he couldn’t pull off the traditional Form IV maneuvers, and so shifted over to his strength in order to take advantage of his muscle mass. That’s why Jinn’s fighting style was so different to other Form IV users like Ahsoka or Yoda
Also the reason Maul managed to kill him. The style was still taxing for him. I think I've seen you on Jensaarai 1's vs videos.
@@baki484 well, the style was also a case of using Form IV against a VII Juyo practitioner, making it even more taxing. Palps and Yoda are great examples of elderly people using Form IV and trashing everyone else, so I am not even sure if this line of argument is right.
@@AlphaAurora I wasn't arguing but okay
@@baki484 Not arguing, I'm being curious and trying to explore out some of the lore stuff on Form IV. I wonder how much Jinn suffered from the Jedi's ability to use the force, per Ep II.
@@AlphaAurora The reason ataru works for Yoda is because of his small stature but it's still taxing even for him particularly in his old age. One can only be a conduit for so long before burning out.
If anything ataru seems to work best as a complimentary form or to circumvent weaknesses of other forms as demonstrated by Anakin, Obi-Wan, Shaak ti and Ahsoka being some of the examples that come to mind.
One move that was super interesting was the way she took down the HK assassin droid that tried to surprise her. She stabs it in a reversed grip then turns it off and quickly reignites it for a slash.
The cat wrangling at the end was PHENOMENALLY hilarious. Having 7 of them, I totally get it.
Beautiful kitty too
She defeated the saber cat with the power of the nose boop.
After the first two episodes Ahsoka was actually giving me Mace Windu vibes with her fighting style. Lots of aggressive attacks and taking your opponent head on and staring them down. With a bit of Kenobi thrown in with the emphasis on parrying and redirecting your opponent’s momentum.
“She connects kinda like Bluetooth” I literally died laughing
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Ahsoka is force prodigy and forged in war. Is it any wonder why she so strong since she has basicaly spent most of her life fighting in wars rather than living in peaceful times. Let us not forget that Anakin trained her well and to be able fight opponents far larger and stronger than her. Plus the wealth of battle experience places her right at the top of the lightsaber duelists. And what many might forget she was jedi knight material at the age of 15. And would have been knighted had she stayed with the order.
She nearly lost to Morgan Elsbeth... Don't give me that horseshit.
She's skilled, yes, and I really hope the show doesn't give her some kinda power boost, because she's not super powerful and she's not a super duelist, she's adequate but smart and uses her wits to her advantage.
This is why she could not beat Maul, and this is why she struggled against 3 Inquisitors (with allies of her own) and if anyone thinks her battle with Vader lasted any more than 2 minutes, they're bloody stupid.
She can deal with droids, she can deal with Inquisitors... I'm hoping she struggles against Beylan, but it's Disney. Of course the woman will be the strongest....
@@arkangelgaming35 I would rather have her as MC than Rey as she came long before Disney bought Star wars and she isn`t mary sue like Rey or powerful like Rey or Luke she simply has far more experience then either of them at the time where there are not that many trained force users. Also she really did have humiliating moments and defeats. In fact it wasn`t just Dave who created her. It was Lucas himself who came upon the idea first.
Obviously you haven`t seen her entire story. For Morgan Elsbeth she wanted her alive not dead. If you know anything about Ahsoka as character and her fighting style you would know she was holding back.
She did beat Maul who while not in best state of mind was still dangerous and that was in Clone wars season 7 and she would have beaten him in Rebels if they did fought and she was`t the primary character in rebels so her fighting Maul or the inquisitors there would steal the show from actual main characters. Also watch the episode of rebels where she goes solo against fifth brother and seventh sister. Or when she curbstomps the inquisitor without even having light saber. Ahsoka book not included.
As for her fight with the Vader of course it would look short. What did you expect. It is animated series where episode is shorter than a movie that can afford longer lightsaber duels. Same goes for her fight with Marrok in Ahsoka series as episodes are also shorter and she was dominating him in the end. You don`t see the entire fight as most of it was not showed but did happen offscreen. And just because it lasts like 2 minutes onscreen it is just part of longer offscreen battle in both cases. Also it was one of the Vaders toughest battles he ever had as he was going all out. Just for the record Vader was wrecking Ezra and Kanan easily. Not to mention she able to very briefly hold back Palpatine all that in short order. She is not on Yoda`s, Palp`s or Anakin`s level just on regular jedi master that is on high council level.
And honestly right now I am more interested in Marrok than either Ahsoka, Baylan or Shin.
@@arkangelgaming35 Uuuuuh... But she did beat Maul... And for Morgan Elsbeth, she was trying to go for the win, not for the kill, meaning you have to be holding back so you don't slice the person you need information from/want to capture and leave them on the floor dead instead. Plus, Elsbeth is a proper Night Sister, not just your average Dothamir witch.
@@arkangelgaming35 I agree with this comment.
She lost against Vader and only damaged him because he was distracted (the only reason she lasted that long is because Anakin also trained her to fight larger opponents) and Maul wasn't at his best while he was distracted and wasn't trying to kill when they fought while she was throwing everything she had at him.
Ahsoka's skill configuration is geared towards battlefield engagements but allows her to contend in a lightsaber duel.
She did indeed lose to Baylan.
Technically Died to him too.
Zanshin -is a word used commonly throughout Japanese martial arts to refer to a state of relaxed alertness. Literally translated, zanshin means “the mind with no remainder.” In other words, the mind completely focused on action and fixated on the task at hand.
The animation of the Maul/Ashoka fight was some of the best of the series. It is hypnotic on how well it was choreographed and executed.
I'm glad you touched on Form IV. My biggest problem with live action Ahsoka is her lack of Ataru, which no one talks about
She’s getting too old 😂
@@GenerationTechPlus it'll look way too goofy in live action 💀
YES
It feels like it’s not Ahsoka.
I get the problem with live action fights and the prosthetics, but it’s really missing that speed and acrobatic rhythm
@@hugocontreras2724 Her fight with Morgan and Baylan were really fast. So was her first fight with Marrok. But the fight with Morgan specifically was easily the best duel in the show
@@FrozenJedi38 Morgan low kick she gave Ashoka was super dope.
This. This right here is why this is my fav SW channel. He talks about SW stuff. Fighting styles, government, wars, organizations etc etc. Never is there any crap about the business of SW.....its stuff about the stories, the characters etc etc. Good job Gen tech 👍
I remember finding this channel after taking a hiatus from star was theory , best thing I could’ve done. Love your channel man keep posting please
Ahsoka to Maul - "You're lucky Anakin isn't here. With the way you're fighting, you wouldn't last long"
People dunk on the Clone Wars movie a lot, and while it absolutely deserves a lot of that, it also has lots of really cool details that are quite nice, like how both it and the rest of the Clone Wars series would pay really close attention to forms of Lightsaber combat and would apply them in really clever ways, like you mentioned with how Ahsoka uses Form 5 at one point but gets defeated because Form 5 is a poor fit for her. It's great stuff and part of the reason why TCW has gone down as one of the most beloved pieces of Star Wars media of all time.
I think it was just perceived as a money grab it was literally just the first few episodes of you think about it
@@GenerationTech definitely could be the case, but I'm glad that didn't deter production because we got some of the best content in Star Wars from TCW, especially fights. That show really did care about making lightsaber forms matter, more than a lot of people probably realize. Such a good show, always grateful that we got Ahsoka from it
Loved this episode and the breakdown of Ahsoka’s entire life training and achievements
ive always enjoyed seeing ahsoka fight. in games i always play the light skirmisher, always on the move, always mixing it up where appropriate, while still having my own baseline plan and patterns to draw from. seeing ahsoka in action i get to see just how fun that is without the stress of it. its a very hard style to master, but it has immense payoffs. Plus its nice seeing things from the victims POV sometimes
That is deepest, nerdiest dive into any particular character's form I've ever seen, and I think you're pretty spot-on. Thanks for this.
Even though now she's most OP, I most enjoyed her fighting in last months of Clone Wars... Just purely attacking non stop and at a fast rate!
Seeing an ad with a dolphin come on immediately following one of Allen's videos is cosmic perfection.
Togruta also have a form of 'echo-location', via the head montrals. In the fight with the Trandoshan boss, Ahsoka knew roughly where he was, due the sounds he was making (breathing, footsteps, etc), and was able to defeat him, despite her having no weapons.
Love your videos many thanks too everyone involved. From your friends across the pond 🇬🇧
In Rebels, Ahsoka uses her acrobatic skills very well. I would say she had effectively infused form 4 into her fighting style.
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Appreciate the content and shout out to the editor… you guys are definitely coming with the information on Ahsoka.
18:30 that's what I'm saying I never understood why Qui Gon used form 4. I assumed it was because he was heavily in tune with the force and form 4 was all about letting the force take control which was good for older and less nimble jedi like Yoda but he had much to big of a stature to use it effectively enough to fight a force wielding opponent.
This is great keep up the great work!
Funny how an adorable kitty fits in here since Ahsoka is also fast, agile and acrobatic like a cat tends to be (if the cat isn't a lazy bones).
Great vid, love Ashoka. Growing up with the clone wars i shared a lot of life lessons alongside her.
Great video was thinking about her mixed form and glad someone did a video!
The ending was PURfection!
The fact that you upload daily is greatly appreciated. I just don't understand how you travel between universes to one where the days are 53 hours long in order to make so many damn videos.
If the show doesn't show Rex in live action ill be pissed
Apparently Temuera Morrison filmed some scenes
This was great. I learned a ton and you also put some of the canon a bit more into my perspective for me. Thanks.
I absolutely thought I was a subscriber, but when you mentioned it I noticed I wasn't....thanks. Also, always love your incites!
thank you for making star wars content that actually allows people to enjoy star wars and doesn't just shit on Disney star wars
It would awesome to see Omega too, from the bad batch. Like an adult Omega. Frankie Adamas wuo palayes Draper in The sci-fi The Expanse. She would make all clones look like toddlers.
I might, if we're going with Expanse actors, lean towards Cara Gee (Camina); Omega doesn't seem to be going towards the bulky side, and I think leaning towards Camina instead of Draper works with how she's developed thus far in BB.
Ahsoka is lightside most of the time but she regularly uses her anger and rage in combat which is tapping into the darkside.
Ahsoka won't force choke you but she will tear the thoughts from your mind.
I mean, she might choke you a little... if you ask nicely.
Ahsoka definitely takes my thoughts 😏
actually that is incorrect. the Jedi doctrun claims that emotions=darkside but in truth it has little to do with emotion and everything to do with mentality. when Ahsoka is "angry" in combat she's not tapping into the darkside (i personally think she is physically incapable of it since The Daughter resurrected her) as that anger never turns to pure rage. she never looses sight of her goal and, when facing organic opponents, shows restraint. tapping into the dark side isn't using emotion, its surrendering to it. Ahsoka has lived and experienced. being still relatively young when she left the order and went into hiding post order 66 she had an oppertunity that few Jedi get in life. to live. she learned to regulate and control her emotions, rather than suppress them and get overwhelmed when they surface. granted she isn't a master at it, but who can truely say they have mastered their emotions. Kit Fisto is another example of a Jedi who is emotionally driven in combat. he actively relishes the thrill, but never surrenders to it. Ahsoka is the same. she loves a good fight, but knows when to stay her blade. by contrast, when one is overwhelmed and surrenders to their emotions they are no longer in control. the darkside clouds their judgment and they become puppets, slave to their "intrusive thoughts".
@@Sephiroth144… What?
Is she using Form VII?
Thank you i always love your videos made my day
As a guitar player and writer I totally got the musician thing as when recording a songs I have often just jammed the solo and in those moments very often something takes over and I surrender to the music and out of it I play and come up with a solo I would never have done had I thought to much about it. It is like I become one with the song in the same way that in those moments that Jedi in duels suddenly become one with the force. Thanks for that analogy. Alongside Star Wars theory you are my go to choice for informed Star Wars contents.
Dude you're a beast. I can tell you're tired. This shit made my day after sloshn in a pit for 7 hrs. Props to your guy too. Your edits are butter.
9:22 You forgot about how much Ahsoka’s opponents taught her as well
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Damn, this was a great analysis. Thanks Alan😊
Great video on one of my favorite Star Wars characters.
2:47 i like what you did with "PADme and his PADawan, Ahsoka"
Subscribed! Great video
LOL taht thumbnail is looks like alot of chord progression thumbnails in music theory youtube....
i wonder how iv IV V I sounds XD
That fight between Ahsoka and Darth Maul is the best ever created in Star Wars.
“Experience outranks everything”
Palpatine: “Am I a joke to you?”
Loved the cat at the end of the video!
Awesome job!
Great analysis
Great summary.
I really respect your knowledge of star wars. They need to give you guys a shot at a movie over disney no doubt!
Your videos are always so great but this might be the best one because of the kitten at the end
Ahsoka is an exotic Jedi with influence from many masters, who also happen to be the top notch of their era in one way or another. Ahsoka has Koon's tranquil and strong sensitivity to the flow of the Force, she has Obi-Wan's pacifism and Anakin's steadfast will and quick thinking when being contested. But she somewhat acts on her own accord (or should we say that she was guided only by her mind and the Force), something very common among mavericks like master Jinn.
Thank you Sir!
Thanks for the walkthrough, legit
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Awesome video and behind the scenes with the kitten 😊
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Awesome video! Do you think in training Sabine she will try to open her connection to the force or play to sabines strengths such as her tech and explosive savvy Mando side to make up for the lack of force? I have to say I think I’m ok with either outcome.
The thing with the deaths of all those Nimaan users is that they did it wrong…Form VI is a jack of all trades that can be easily combined with other techniques. If you were to now sprinkle in Form III defensive manoeuvres into the well rounded Form VI you suddenly have a style that works well against blaster fire and lightsabers alike. The Jedi in the Arena used a jack of all trades, master of none, without compensating for that weakness.
All techniques, including ones not using the weapon:
Ashoka is turning out to be not just Jedi but overall one of the greatest force wielders and lightsaber duelists of the entire mythos...just the fact that that she go toe to toe with Vader,injure him and not get killed (beside that crap Ezra pulled) by Vader says a lot. Being one of the apprentices of the chosen one himself,shares some type of soul bond or could be a re incarnation of the Daughter. Veteran of the clone wars and the galactic civil war,student and child of the old Jedi order..she better have an amazing death to wrap up her story one day
Pretty sophisticated fighting styles
The psycho cat looks like a Ventress.
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Great video!
Lightsaber blades do have weight. Kanan Jarrus explicitly said so in Rebels, and Din Djarin mentioned the Darksaber felt heavy.
Those are more mental weight, imo
Darksaber seems to be an exception, probably because it is so old. Sabine said it was heavy too
@@KyloStimpyThe way Kanan talked about it, it seemed like the Darksaber was not an exception. Weird blade shape, slightly shorter than most, and a really cool color, but functionally almost identical to the lightsabers he and Ezra were using.
@@samueldimmock694 i'll have to give it a rewatch.
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whomever made this thumbnail is brilliant
I think by the time of the Ashoka series she uses 3 specific forms. The reverse grip variation of form V is the first form she learned, as like you said she wasn’t as physical as Anakin, she took a more defensive approach on the form combining some of form III Soresu principles. This is form V Shien, the more aggressive version of form III, featuring a reverse grip and focusing on absorbing the enemies attacks and delivering fast and heavy counterattacks (the reverse grip favours a more counters focused style), instead of tiring the enemy down as form III would, or overpowering their defences as form V variation Djem So would. During the Clone Wars she started using a more agile and fast style and incorporated a second lightsaber or a Shoto. This is form IV Ataru, and combined with the second lightsaber she would preserve her Shien, increasing her defensive capabilities and counterattacking angles, while implementing the Ataru principles of fast and agile attacks, as using a lightsaber and a shoto allows the Jedi to focus on offence with the large saber and on defence with the shoto. Finally, by the time of Order 66, the purge, Rebels and Ashoka, she would start to practise form II Makashi duelling style. With the Jedi hunt that the Empire would start she started to face a lot of lightsaber users, so she needed to adapt. Implementing form II gives her an advantage on 1v1 against lightsaber users, focusing on precision, footwork and timing. Her decision to start using form II when she was older is pretty clever, as the form needs a mature user with patience, and it also benefits from the use of Dunn Moch, which as you said, she used pretty often. Also her new lightsabers are build to use Makashi, as they feature a curved hilt, seen in Dooku’s lightsaber, that helped deliver more precise and fast swings with minimal effort. It can be seen in her last duels of the Ashoka series, where she used only one lightsaber, grabbing it like a katana.
Fighting forms is why I immediately knew Sabine would lose. Her guard signaled Form I while Shin had the ready stance of Form II (like Count Dooku), specifically tailored to beat Form I adversaries.
What? Shin Hati uses form V look how she fights and see how Anakin fights it's suprisingly fimiliar
So when the Force took over the Jedi, the best way to fight back is like how Count Dooku taught General Grievous. One must have fear, surprise and intimitdation with them. If one element is lacking, the best course of action is to retreat. Before engaging the Jedi in combat, the Jedi must already be broken by the time such engagement happened. In other words, do not allowed the Jedi to let the Force takeover and forcing them to rely purely on the lightsabers until they can't anymore.
Well done
Bring the cat more often please love the videos keep up the good work
Nice Chord Progression
In her last two fights in the Ahsoka series against Baylan and Force Anakin in the World between Worlds plane, she opted for using a single blade in a more grounded Form V dominated approach, I've heard the notion a two handed grip on single blade offers more leverage for a 1 on 1 duel.
VI, IV, V, I… gotta be one of my favorite chord progressions
My favorite is when she has the traditional grip with her right hand and the reverse grip with the shoto. I hope we see that in this series.
Your kitten is adorable
Allen's got a Kitty Don't Do Dat. :)
14:53 only padme and ahsoka can crack vaders shell? remember ROTJ?
I like Ahsoka's fighting style, it suits her very well
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Awesome! Ashoka is a bad ass for sure
Can we just ponder how goated Ahsoka is that she goes toe-to-toe with the biggest bads, all while using the less effective reverse grip?
Even in Clone Wars, we see her switching when the situation calls for it.
@GenerationTech
please tell us what styles use Baylan and Shin?
any info would be great on those mysterious enemies
I love Alan’s cat so much! OwO
20:25, That Kitten is Cute.
Cat!!! 🐈 Subscribed!
She might be one of the most experienced Jedi ever.
They were taught all the forms. Some would apparently focus on a single one, and maybe have a backup one. Ideally, one would borrow from each form and make their own style that both suits their personality and has maximum synergy with their own skills and physique.