Air Cooling the SSUPD Meshlicious
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- In the third installment of the SSUPD Meshlicious series, I'll test and experiment with a low profile air cooler, the Noctua L12 Ghost S1. It probably goes without saying that using a glass panel over such a cooler is a pretty bad setup, but can it be made to work well? I'll give a few recommendations and show a few modifications on how we can massage the airflow to change the air cooling performance. You could also try some of these ideas with the two mesh panel version, and seal off the mobo side panel around the perimeter of the air cooler footprint.
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Case - SSUPD Meshlicious
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CPU - Ryzen 5 3600 provided by Roguecast for review
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Graphics Card - Nvidia RTX 3070 Founders Edition
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0:00 Basics of air cooling in the Meshlicious
4:24 Conventional Test Setup
5:40 Baseline Thermal Data and Panel Comparison
7:07 An alternative configuration
10:18 Thermal Comparison with the mods
11:06 Why it works - Věda a technologie
One thing I’ll add is that a reason to choose the L12 Ghost or Big Shuriken 3 over the L12S is if you have tall RAM. The L12S absolutely needs low profile RAM in the fan under heatsink orientation (which is the only one that works with the SSUPD). The L12 Ghost gives 48mm of height, and the BS3 has a configuration that has zero interference with RAM. If you’ve been following along the other Meshlicious videos you’ll notice I switched RAM kits to a lower one here with the air cooled build.
Are the Gskill Ripjaws V ram considered low profile at 4.4mm?
would have loved to see big shuriken temps in standard setup : )
@@che-weihsieh975 the Ripjaws are a bit lower profile then G.Skills Trident Z line, but not considered low profile RAM and too tall for low profile coolers like the Noctua L12s.
This is why I went with the Big Shuriken 3 on my smallest build, as it can be installed in an orientation with zero RAM limitations.
@@RojasTKD7 It was a rhetorical question. My low profile RAM choice would probably be the HyperX Fury or the now renamed Fury.
This video is so amazing. This sort of experimenting is great to see, and I can see you are serious about the principles of SFF. Simple mods like this are what make these sort of cases so exciting.
Loving the Meshlicious coverage! I just finished my build in it so I'm really enjoying all these new ideas.
Wow, very interesting results with such a simple mod. Great breakdown! 😀
Great airflow management section, love how you show that heavy-handed cool air control makes the PC run cooler (rather than just letting it do its thing).
Big fan of the intro and the song choice!
Thank you, I've now watched all the videos in your meshlicious series.
I thus decided to go for an external radiator setup as its the only untested one :)) wish me luck
Compliments on the high quality content!
Damn, that's a neat approach. Good job.
awesome content as usual!
For air-cooling, I am SO glad I chose the NR200!
Great video 👍🏽
Cheers, agreed, much more flexibility for air cooling in the NR200.
That’s true. But I feel if you’re looking for a small footprint the Meshilicious is the winner
@@joaoaraujo3112 definitely agree
Nice work very informative, subbed to ur channel 😄
Knocked it out the park again with that one mate.
Love your work man but the exposed psu cables really put me off this case. Very excited to see your coverage of the nr200p MAX, it might be the case that moves me away for my beloved h200!
Awesome content. So tired of rich guys playing "tech CZcamsr" for a day. Your authenticity is appreciated.
Love your videos, great content, very informative! But what happened to the semi-passive build?
This guy is a psychic or something. I think of a question and then moments later a video gets uploaded that answers it lol
I swapped out the B9 fan for the NH A9x25 fan on my L12 GE for some additional air flow & higher pressure.
Love the 80's music, glad it's coming back to mainstream.
Loved the details in the video.
I was wondering if you can use this cooler (in certain orientation) with the glass on CPU side while using a intel 12400 (mostly for gaming)?
Please help me decide 🙏
Interesting case- shows how these tower style cases suit water cooling more.
I would be interesting on your (thermal)take of the Tower 100 mini. Allows large air cooler or a small AIO -
Edit: to make your adjustments more ashetically pleasing you could mask off on the inside of the panels.
Are you going to do an air cooling optimised series for this?
I’m surprised that you did not test the Alpenfohn Black Ridge with a single A12x25.
Personally I find having a Black ridge W/ a single A12/25 (exhaust) and a deshrodu 3080 in exhaust gives the best air flow configuratiob
let me say something you are really living upto your slogan "For those who. love to tinker."
That was by far the most ingenious idea for sff cooling.🙌.
But don't you think adding those cute little 40 & 60mm noctua fans on the mesh that you removed from near the io panel won't that actually drop alot of cpu temp with same cooler? if noctua sent you the cooler they will definitely send you those fans to test anyways there aren't many videos on their sff use.
Hello Machines & More, thank you for your great videos!
I am going to get this case, but there's some questions.
I'm using MSI RTX2060 ventus OC (226mm).
I wish I can set the GPU horizontal instead of vertical, so i can set SSD under the GPU.
Q1: Can I still set two slim fan (KF1215FD18-P, 17mm) in the front to make air flow?
Q2: Is it great to use SCSK-2000 with i5-12400? or Noctua NF-A9x14?
Q3: Is it OK to choose glass version with air cooling above? Glass looks better.
Thank you! (and sorry for my poor English)
this is a cool mod. myself i tried to setup a loop for my CPU but my EK VTX 120 just doesn't fit. Going to have to find a different pump res to add in.
I know this is an old video but would you consider do a video on GPU deshroud configurations in this case? I have a deshrouded 3080 in a NR200 and was Considering downsizing to the meshilicious. I'm interested to see how a deshrouded GPU would do with an AIO in a meshilicious.
Great video, would it be possible to get a side by side with the NR200? I'm looking for something slightly smaller than the NR200 whilst maintaining component compatability. Was wondering if this is more backpackable?
It’s slimmer, so yeah, it would fit in a backpack better. Check out the first video in the series and there is a comparison.
@@MachinesMore thanks so much
Could you leave the side panel off and stick a large cooler like the Fuma 2 on there? I know it would be poking out the side but it would still look good.
What I want to know is.. if the cooler can even fit and if the case can still stand up with the weight balance.
Question. Did you test with the L12 oriented as shown in the video, with the heat pipe bends vertical toward the top of the case? Noctua recommends against that orientation because it could lead to reduced performance.
For the vanilla way, I tested both ways that would fit, horizontal and vertical, not a significant difference. For the sealed off version it’s very important to orient the heatfins horizontal.
Wasn't this particular CPU heatsink orientation not recommended by Noctua?
Will the AMD Prism Wraith cooler fit in this case?
Nice case. Got one. Using temp glass and a normal fan set up. Have an aio but can't be bothered installing it. Seems a pain in the ass. Given case size and tube size. Wanted to fit a ek Flt 120 but it's doubtful I can fit it in comfortable without doing any DIY changes. Could fit in an ek quantum RGB 120 Res and pump combo. Over all it's a budget case, frame feels like one too. But in all honesty, it's more than good enough. Cheaper the better imo. Saves you $ and it's lighter. Glass feels cheap but it's cheap to buy. The mesh, although my first experience with it. Seems to be of better quality. When iv finished, it will look great. For an ITX case. It's honestly so easy to build in. It's not until you get to the cooling side is it a little more difficult. Going air only. You won't have any issues. Air only, I'd be shocked at any build times over 30 mins. Half of that cables, tidying and plugging in. Overall for £105 it's impressive.
The nuctua cooler is installed incorrectly in this video, top down coolers like this and commonly found on gpus have specific orientations they are designed to be in. Due to the way heat pipes work which I won't get into on here, noctua provides documentation on their website as to the orientation this cooler should be installed, probably throwing away 5-10c. Same can be said for gpus in most cases designed with the 90 degree rotation, ssupd did well to orient the gpu with the IO facing downwards, some cases like the Xtia xproto or phantecs shift which face the other way, you would see VERY different GPU temps.
Do you think it is possible to mount two radiators AND do a dual loop with two smaller kinetic pumps in the nr 200p
There might be enough space for just mounting the pumps horizontally over the PSU but I would hate to be the one trying to fit the tubing and fittings into that space. Perhaps a better solution would be to go for a pump/block combo for the CPU and the separate pump/res for the GPU loop.
Give using 20mm standoff extensions a shot. I just built in a meshlicious and was able to clean up the cables easily behind the motherboard. Stealth wraith fit fine, most aios will too.
Hi im thinking of doing the same thing! Are you happy with the wraith in the raised position? What other fans do you have?
@@robinjohansson3780 at the time I had X2 140mm fans as exhaust and everything was fine.
I ended up getting a 3080 with a water block so I complicated things with a custom loop later.
@@jesso2k6 thank you!
can you fit the wraith prism on it?
Personally, if Air cooling going in going with a smaller case with 70mm cooler or a larger case for a larger tower cooler.
With the Meshlicious I'm going with 280 AIO.
Cryorig C1 works very well in this case.
That being said, so if i wanted to use the L12S with the meshlicious, i only found the corsair vengeance kit works on the market, excluding VLP Rams, is there any other rams that works with the L12S on the low profile mode with eh meshlicious?
Yup, the Corsair LPX kit is fine, the Crucial Ballistix Sport LT is also a good kit.
@@MachinesMore I heard somewhere that the sport LT is discontinued?
It might be… haven’t checked lately. That being said the LPX ram kits are generally decent, not the best for OC but it’s serviceable, selling point is the low height.
Do u think a 11 600k will work with a nh l12s will the cooling be good enough
For the 11600K, check out the latest Meshlicious video- you’re going to want a cooler where you can upgrade the fan.
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you should have test the r5 3600 with stock settings
More of a worst case scenario but yes, stock settings should be less intense.
For builders out there Asus B550i and Noctua NH-L12S dont work. Pay attention! Just made the mistake myself.
Ghost will fit. Ordered Big Shuriken 3.
Thanks for the note! Yeah, the heatsink is different.
I want the meshlicious to be my first build I just am so scared :(
I see ur notification….I click….
Any truth to the reddit reports that a 3090 can melt the riser cable in this case?
I’m sure it’s possible, if it’s touching or right up against the card, and that’s also why I had some concerns about the back of the motherboard. The power running through the higher powered Ampere cards is quite insane and the backplate or flow through side of the cards can get very, very hot, and absolutely plastic or rubber could get soft enough to be malleable. The best way would be to space out the card, or at least make sure it’s not touching. I’m going to try and mock up a backplate/shield for the motherboard and riser.
@@MachinesMore Thanks! Here's the reddit post: www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/o9ng4v/some_users_whove_built_in_the_ssupd_meshlicious/?context=3
Is the tape mod and weather seal mod good also with aio?
FYI as per Noctua's instructions, you mounted the NH-L12S the wrong way:
noctua.at/en/in-which-orientation-should-top-flow-coolers-nh-c-series-nh-l12-be-installed
For stock testing (no sealing) I tested in both horizontal and vertical orientations and there was not a significant difference. Unfortunately the heatpipes down for the horizontal heatfins does not work with the PCIe sot, but having them oriented the right way is very important for the modded config, air needs to flow through the fins and not just over it.
@@MachinesMore ok I just tried installing it with the heatpipes down and actually it's not the PCIe slot that interferes (at least on my mobo) but the top of the case. There is about 5-10mm clearance missing so the cooler is hitting the frame :( I'll install it the same way you did, no other choice if you want to have the fins horizontally.
You’re absolutely right- it is the height out the top that was the issue, my bad for forgetting. I tried the config and yeah, for horizontal fins there’s only that way unfortunately. If you’re going to set it up with the mesh on the CPU cooler side, it really doesn’t matter that much and I’d say the vertical fins fit more reasonably.
@@MachinesMore hey no worries, in the end I did install it with the fins oriented vertically as it made more sense to me... quick question, since I'm using the front fans as exhaust - negative pressure, I flipped the NH-L12S fan so that it acts as intake too (I have mesh panels on both sides). Do you think it's the best config or should I leave it the way it came with the cooler (fan pushing air out of the mesh)?
NR200 all day every day.
I ♥ my NR200
@@CaveyMoth Just bought one but I am waiting for my cable mod cables. The included cables with the Silverstone PSU were way too stiff. Couldn't install my gpu so i am patiently waiting.
I used the silverstone sx700 and i agree very stiff cables especially the 24 pin . Had to use a good amount of force to bend it and hold it in a position that would leave room for my long gpu to fit and without applying pressure on the gpu after it was in. But hey it worked 🙂
@@swizzler8053 I have an ATX PSU in mine. When the Corsair SF750 ever has a sale, I'll upgrade to it. And then I can finally put a 280mm AIO in as well! But I'm happy for now with the Wraith Prism. It's so beautiful.
@@sydbailey1320 I went for the 1000 watt SFX L version so i don't have a lot of wiggle room.
the case is worth almost the same as the cpu lol i can't
vot.fyi
thrilling
Why the hell are you putting air coolers and blow
Style gpus in this case this is not how the case is designed to be built!
Your outing a bad name on the case
Because they already did a video of this case with an AIO and a dual fan layout GPU in another video.
@@whatsanobeen
But no one will build like this it’s just dumb sorry not trolling just don’t see the point of it, I loved the NR200 series and exploring all the different viable options but this mesh series just don’t make any sense.
Simply stick in any 280mm AIO (artic liquid freezer 2 fits nicely and works the best)
And then throw in any type of reference card and a Sfx psu and your set.
Amazing thermals and acoustics if you use both mesh side panels
@@cryptok9185 This is a lot of complaining extra for the fact that the exact layout you’re talking has been tested and explored in other videos on the meshlicious case in search results.
@@whatsanobeen yeah I know everyone else is building it properly, I don’t get why this build he is trying achieve is a thing
@@cryptok9185 some people would choose these components for workstation builds. Lots of current Quadro workstation GPUs still use blower designs for air.