Great video. I'm considering buying an itx case and your review confirmed what my gut was telling me: Both are great cases, but the Meshlicious is more fun while the NR200P is more practical.
@@MachinesMore I'm leaning toward the NR200P, but just found out about the Jonsplus i100, that can fit a Noctua NH-D15. Against the NR200P, the i100 is more costly by a fair amount and hard to find.
As a staunch air cooling fanatic the unfettered flexibility of the NR200 is why I ended up returning my Meshlicious. The Gen 4 GPU riser also more than doubled the cost of the Meshlicious over the NR200. At the end of the day the NR200 is essentially a more affordable and widely available Ncase M1 which alone can be attributed to why I chose it.
@@mongoosemcmongoose2786 yup the performance difference is just a little, but the issue with gen 3 riser is compability when using gen 4 motherboard and gen 4 gpu
@@deusxvlr there is no compatibility issue, you just have to set the bios to a pci gen3 not gen4 that does require having a gen3 video card lying around, so if you don't have one, yes, you are SOL (unless using a CPU that has integrated graphics)
@@mongoosemcmongoose2786 you normally dont need one actually…the only thing you have to do is actually boot up into bios with the card directly in the motherboard (not the riser)
Yaaaa. I win... I win... ;) Bought the NR200 two days ago for my new build, and I love vanilla. :) Also, really like the back setup and colors in this video. I've listened to many of your videos and will follow your advice on the inside build. Bought the Noctua C14S Cooler for R9 5900X & RTX 3080 Ti FE. 5 Noctua fans (3 x NF A12x25, 2 x NF A12x15). I also bought 15/17mm pins for the 15mm fans on Esty (US$11.50 x 8 pins). Thank you again for all of your time and work.
Currently working on downsizing from my 011 Mini custom loop to an NR200 dual rad, dual pump loop. Waiting on my regular TX240 rad, my Barrow pump/res, & custom shorty psu cables to arrive.
I like being able to display my components with the Meshlicious side panel. If I didn't care about that I'd go for the NR200. Both great cases! I also run Noctua fans on my GPU heatsink and put a thin fan on the top so my cooling is more than enough.
Update: I tend to tinker with my builds so I decided to swap to the NR200p (white w/glass). I prefer the horizontal layout, although the Meshy has a smaller footprint if your desk calls for that. The cooling is better with my new nh-u12a setup. With the option for air cooling this case has a lot more options. I found cable managing easier in with the NR200p with less AIO cables. Also I having the gpu ports in the back is easier. Overall both fantastic ITX cases. Pick whatever one fits the hardware you want and/or fits your aesthetic. Theres also the updated NZXT H1, Lian Li Q58, and Slate Case AQ that look intriguing. Personally, I'll stick with the NR200p until an ITX I feel deserves a custom loop hits the market (Cooler master please release a case only version of the Nr200p MAX.)
I really enjoy your no nonsense relaxed reviews vs. the others who think their actors in their reviews, which makes watching them annoying......The NR200 is my favorite case to build in..😀🖖
Have enjoyed your various videos on these cases. Very informative. Do you think either case has the capacity in terms of cooling for hardware in the next few years? It is likely that next gen CPUs and GPUs will have significantly higher power draw.
Hey Thuan, cheers, great question. If we kind of observe the trajectory over the last few years, I’d say 2 generations should be OK but I am concerned about 3 and beyond. I’m not terribly concerned about CPU because a 240 with good fans can cool a stock i9 or Ryzen 9 now and I don’t see your average chip getting hotter than even those in the near future. That side of the house hasn’t been as big an increase, stock coolers still exist and low profile coolers should still handle your i5/Ryzen 5 level of chip. What’s likely to be a bigger issue in that arena is the quality of the cooler, especially the coldplate. The graphics card is what gives me a little pause- not the power draw necessarily but the size of the coolers. For the graphics card, for example the reference cards 970 was ~150W, and the 3070 is ~250W. 980 ~180W, 3080 ~320W. While a roughly 75% increase over three generations is pretty serious, and I don’t bet on that trend continuing linearly, more concerning to me and pertinent to the cases is the size of the accompanying air coolers. I don’t want to see a 4 slot card become normal like the 3+ slot card has become with the current crop. Such a card might fit the Meshlicious but in general that’s just not good for SFF and not an elegant approach. At the next level, it becomes ever possible that hybrid cards become more prevalent, and that’s where the cases hold promise. For the SSUPD you can run an air cooler on one side, and run a 240 for a GPU also on the front. If the card is thin enough, you can use a low profile air cooler with the NR200/P, vertical mount the hybrid card and that rad can go at the bottom. With a top to bottom airflow that would be viable a configuration as well. Long story short, form of the future components is what case makers will have to design around, but for 4-5 years I think things will be fine.
I think your channel is amazing. Also you are the only youtuber who I think mentioned doing both bottom intake and top intake in an nr200 dual radiator build. I think you said you preferred this over the more common bottom intake top exhaust dual loop. did you test this in a video anywhere please or advise? I have just spent about $800 on water cooling parts for this case and want to have the optimal setup. Thanks!
There is a new version of the nr200, its the NR200p Max, its not yet available on the market yet, hopefully its gets dissected just like what you did on the first NR200p, More power @machines&more 💪🍻
As good as the Meschlicious is, 10mm larger would make a huge difference in cooling capability by being able to add a fan at the top or bottom. Not only for graphics card but all the hot air trapped between the back of motherboard and video card.
NR200 Max looks like an exceedingly good deal to replace folks that once were eager to get the NZXT H1 as a full solution, except even better: A better AIO is included and a better SFX PSU is also included while hitting a similar price point. Let's just hope Coolermaster doesn't suffers the same fate with their now mandatory raiser cable on the NR200 Max. Also I've seen a lot of the lesser known brands popular on Amazon and Aliexpress create a lot of matx SFF cases now and I was kind of expecting Coolermaster to create an matx version of the NR200 but that's still not here, hopefully one day since importing those other cases is exceedingly difficult, costly and slow.
you said the meshalicious vertical orientation is unique and innovative. i beg to differ. many cases were already out that had a similar size and footprint. the corsair one, phanteks shift , even the xbox series x. i think the nzxt h1 was out as well. i wont disagree that the meshalicious is the best designed , besides the corsair one and xbox which cant really be compared since they are prebuilts. i included them in the first place because they did exist before and couldve been obvious inspiration.
Use Iceman cooler/res for Ncase M1 on NR200 with bottom mount slim 240 rad and 280 side rad and It becomes the ultimate ITX rig. No modifying and need for top rad.
I have one of each, and trying to decide which to use with my newly acquired 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra build (looking to pick up a 5900x). The other will be used with a future build with the next gen CPUs from AMD or Intel. I prefer the Meshlicious for it vertical footprint and what I consider better looking design. Though it might be better suited for next gen CPUs with it's 280 AIO support and AMDs rumored 170W TDP. I guess I could always swap out cases when the time came. Decisions decisions..... lol
SSUPD, Ncase M1, Ghost Loque, FormD, etc aren't actually available in Indonesia, no official distributors unlike CM. Just some people bought it overseas then sell it for 2-3x actual prices.
@@MachinesMore Yes. And apparently after NZXT H1 riser incident, NZXT official store decided to start selling NZXT H1 bundled with NZXT SFX 650w gold PSU. Now it's WAY more expensive than before. I really hope you review darkFlash DLH 21 because it's the cheapest vertical/small footprint case here in Indonesia.
What are your thoughts on the deshroud mod in the meshilicious? I saw some pictures on reddit with the GPU in 4 slot config. Would this be a good idea with 240 or 280 for the CPU only exhaust? I hate the GPU waterblock compatibility hussle but most of the cards stock run somewhat loud to my taste (excluding some more expensive strix cards). This leads me to consider the deshroud mod, any other negatives I should be worried about?
Bit of a slightly biased view regarding cooling/airflow as u really didn’t touch on the fact the Meshlicious is structurally a giant filter enough, with no solid panelling (except if u use a single glass panel)
For AIO I will always go with front our top mounting. Button or side mounting is a no go for me. I have a case with a side mounted AIO, and recently had to stand it on it vertically on it's face for to pump noise I beloved from permeation. Meshlicious for AIO use NR200 for air cooling (non low profile).
Was just thinking: can you fit a riser cable from another brand into the Meshlicious? Say for example, someone has an Asus or Lian Li PCIE 4.0 riser cable lying around, can they just buy the cheaper PCIE 3.0 Meshlicious and for their own riser cable in it?
Yes, it’s not special technology on the included cable, but the included one is already folded over, and, while I’m sure you could fold an off the shelf one, if it breaks or stops working, not sure if there would be a valid warranty claim, as opposed to the out of box one. One additional thing is that some cables are better than others, some 3.0 cables can actually run at 4.0 speeds.
Even though the NR200P lost in footprint by two points due to its larger size. These scores do not account for the purpose of SFF the fact that it is small. yeah the NR200P supports a full size hard drive or more fans but is that really what someone wants when buying SFF. The NR200P is one of the largest SFF cases on the market, I believe the meshlicious should have received a 10 for footprint and the NR200P should have received a 5. I have both of these cases and I really like them both but I just feel like the NR200P is like dipping your toe into the world of SFF. Also, Going SFF also means you lose some compatibility, but you trade that for a smaller footprint, so I believe the meshlicious is undervalued for everything it offers for only 14.7L.
You should be fine. The other direction (downgrading with the auto setting) is what gives issues. It wouldn’t hurt to fix it on 4.0 once you get into BIOS either.
Still an easy win for Meshlicious, even compared to NR200P Max. Meshlicious is the only case that supports 280mm rad, ATX PSU and mainstream 3-slot GPUs altogether among current sub-20L SFF cases. NR200 families can store more storages and longer GPUs, but I regretted going for NR200 and expensive V850 SFX and suffered with the PSU fan noises that drove me crazy. Now with Meshlicious I have never been happier than ever.
6 months with my NR200 and it still looks amazing! My 3600 & 3070 combo runs cool and quiet.
I like the vertical look better…also the meshlicious is like the max size to fit under a airplane seat while in a bag.
Great video. I'm considering buying an itx case and your review confirmed what my gut was telling me: Both are great cases, but the Meshlicious is more fun while the NR200P is more practical.
Cheers! Which one are you going with?
@@MachinesMore I'm leaning toward the NR200P, but just found out about the Jonsplus i100, that can fit a Noctua NH-D15. Against the NR200P, the i100 is more costly by a fair amount and hard to find.
Whatever floats your boat. Meshlicious or being wrong, both are valid choices.
Ok 👌🏼
@@MachinesMore I'm not biased :P
Man you are killing I’m looking to get into ITX and I’m stuck between these two cases.
NR200 all day every day. Just watched some videos of the NR200 max. It looks very promising.
I agree, just too bad you lose the horizontal GPU option. A modular back bracket like the o11 mini has would be the dream.
@@EvernooBE Modular rear bracket, yes, the dream
is there option without the aio ?
Just what I was looking for :) Was looking at this two cases 3 hours ago, thank you very much :D
What did u decide on and why
As a staunch air cooling fanatic the unfettered flexibility of the NR200 is why I ended up returning my Meshlicious. The Gen 4 GPU riser also more than doubled the cost of the Meshlicious over the NR200. At the end of the day the NR200 is essentially a more affordable and widely available Ncase M1 which alone can be attributed to why I chose it.
Thanks for this I was wondering if I should return my nr200p. It will stay!
gen4 is pretty much useless with the current lineup.
there's little to no difference in gen4 vs gen3 PCIE on gpus
@@mongoosemcmongoose2786 yup the performance difference is just a little, but the issue with gen 3 riser is compability when using gen 4 motherboard and gen 4 gpu
@@deusxvlr there is no compatibility issue, you just have to set the bios to a pci gen3 not gen4
that does require having a gen3 video card lying around, so if you don't have one, yes, you are SOL (unless using a CPU that has integrated graphics)
@@mongoosemcmongoose2786 you normally dont need one actually…the only thing you have to do is actually boot up into bios with the card directly in the motherboard (not the riser)
Yaaaa. I win... I win... ;) Bought the NR200 two days ago for my new build, and I love vanilla. :) Also, really like the back setup and colors in this video. I've listened to many of your videos and will follow your advice on the inside build. Bought the Noctua C14S Cooler for R9 5900X & RTX 3080 Ti FE. 5 Noctua fans (3 x NF A12x25, 2 x NF A12x15). I also bought 15/17mm pins for the 15mm fans on Esty (US$11.50 x 8 pins). Thank you again for all of your time and work.
Currently working on downsizing from my 011 Mini custom loop to an NR200 dual rad, dual pump loop. Waiting on my regular TX240 rad, my Barrow pump/res, & custom shorty psu cables to arrive.
I like being able to display my components with the Meshlicious side panel. If I didn't care about that I'd go for the NR200. Both great cases!
I also run Noctua fans on my GPU heatsink and put a thin fan on the top so my cooling is more than enough.
Update: I tend to tinker with my builds so I decided to swap to the NR200p (white w/glass). I prefer the horizontal layout, although the Meshy has a smaller footprint if your desk calls for that. The cooling is better with my new nh-u12a setup. With the option for air cooling this case has a lot more options. I found cable managing easier in with the NR200p with less AIO cables. Also I having the gpu ports in the back is easier. Overall both fantastic ITX cases. Pick whatever one fits the hardware you want and/or fits your aesthetic. Theres also the updated NZXT H1, Lian Li Q58, and Slate Case AQ that look intriguing. Personally, I'll stick with the NR200p until an ITX I feel deserves a custom loop hits the market (Cooler master please release a case only version of the Nr200p MAX.)
@@jacobltillman it's a true shame the max has such a limited color scheme, boooo
You NEEEEED to review the Hyte revolt 3!!!! Especially with the U12A!
I really enjoy your no nonsense relaxed reviews vs. the others who think their actors in their reviews, which makes watching them annoying......The NR200 is my favorite case to build in..😀🖖
Clear, concise and informative. I rarely sub/comment but your content is just too damn good.
Cheers!
the first reviewer i have seen that pronounces Meshlicious correctly
I like this, god chose in score, this 2 cases is so equal in so many ways.
For the fan situation in the Meshlicious you can use a 92mm fan at the top and 2 x 60mm fans on the rear but with mods of course.
set the frame for 4-slot GPU, and you can fit 2x80mm fans. No mods, just some quality double-sided tape, and done.
I think we know the new Revolt 3 will have to go head to head against the SSUPD to see how they stack up!
I wish there’s an NR200P Max without the included AIO and PSU.
Thats the regular NR200p
Cant wait for your take on the NR200P MAX 🚀
I just got a Gaming PC 4090 and it won't fit the NR200, so thanks for the vdo, although it's older before 4090 release
Have enjoyed your various videos on these cases. Very informative. Do you think either case has the capacity in terms of cooling for hardware in the next few years? It is likely that next gen CPUs and GPUs will have significantly higher power draw.
Hey Thuan, cheers, great question. If we kind of observe the trajectory over the last few years, I’d say 2 generations should be OK but I am concerned about 3 and beyond. I’m not terribly concerned about CPU because a 240 with good fans can cool a stock i9 or Ryzen 9 now and I don’t see your average chip getting hotter than even those in the near future. That side of the house hasn’t been as big an increase, stock coolers still exist and low profile coolers should still handle your i5/Ryzen 5 level of chip. What’s likely to be a bigger issue in that arena is the quality of the cooler, especially the coldplate.
The graphics card is what gives me a little pause- not the power draw necessarily but the size of the coolers. For the graphics card, for example the reference cards 970 was ~150W, and the 3070 is ~250W. 980 ~180W, 3080 ~320W. While a roughly 75% increase over three generations is pretty serious, and I don’t bet on that trend continuing linearly, more concerning to me and pertinent to the cases is the size of the accompanying air coolers. I don’t want to see a 4 slot card become normal like the 3+ slot card has become with the current crop. Such a card might fit the Meshlicious but in general that’s just not good for SFF and not an elegant approach. At the next level, it becomes ever possible that hybrid cards become more prevalent, and that’s where the cases hold promise. For the SSUPD you can run an air cooler on one side, and run a 240 for a GPU also on the front. If the card is thin enough, you can use a low profile air cooler with the NR200/P, vertical mount the hybrid card and that rad can go at the bottom. With a top to bottom airflow that would be viable a configuration as well. Long story short, form of the future components is what case makers will have to design around, but for 4-5 years I think things will be fine.
Cant wait for your review of the NR200p Max seeing that is basically the nr200 on crack imo
This was very helpful, thank you!
I have a dual rad custom loop in my 200 and it’s a beast considering the form factor.
I think your channel is amazing. Also you are the only youtuber who I think mentioned doing both bottom intake and top intake in an nr200 dual radiator build. I think you said you preferred this over the more common bottom intake top exhaust dual loop. did you test this in a video anywhere please or advise? I have just spent about $800 on water cooling parts for this case and want to have the optimal setup. Thanks!
There is a new version of the nr200, its the NR200p Max, its not yet available on the market yet, hopefully its gets dissected just like what you did on the first NR200p,
More power @machines&more 💪🍻
Woot!
As good as the Meschlicious is, 10mm larger would make a huge difference in cooling capability by being able to add a fan at the top or bottom. Not only for graphics card but all the hot air trapped between the back of motherboard and video card.
You can actually squish a fan at the top.
LMAO no youtubers were harmed. I tell you who the winner is, Us consumers. I love it when companies duke it out.
NR200 Max looks like an exceedingly good deal to replace folks that once were eager to get the NZXT H1 as a full solution, except even better: A better AIO is included and a better SFX PSU is also included while hitting a similar price point. Let's just hope Coolermaster doesn't suffers the same fate with their now mandatory raiser cable on the NR200 Max.
Also I've seen a lot of the lesser known brands popular on Amazon and Aliexpress create a lot of matx SFF cases now and I was kind of expecting Coolermaster to create an matx version of the NR200 but that's still not here, hopefully one day since importing those other cases is exceedingly difficult, costly and slow.
matx cases are kinda pointless imo
personally while I love both cases NR200 was my first itx) I much prefer the vertical style of the meshlicious.
you said the meshalicious vertical orientation is unique and innovative. i beg to differ. many cases were already out that had a similar size and footprint. the corsair one, phanteks shift , even the xbox series x. i think the nzxt h1 was out as well. i wont disagree that the meshalicious is the best designed , besides the corsair one and xbox which cant really be compared since they are prebuilts. i included them in the first place because they did exist before and couldve been obvious inspiration.
Use Iceman cooler/res for Ncase M1 on NR200 with bottom mount slim 240 rad and 280 side rad and It becomes the ultimate ITX rig. No modifying and need for top rad.
I can't see a review of the Tower 100 on your channel. I'd be interested in your thoughts, my favourite SFF right now!
Could you make a video like this for the comparison about NR200 vs Ncase M1? Looking forward to watching it!
NR200 is better by far when considering price
I have one of each, and trying to decide which to use with my newly acquired 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra build (looking to pick up a 5900x). The other will be used with a future build with the next gen CPUs from AMD or Intel.
I prefer the Meshlicious for it vertical footprint and what I consider better looking design. Though it might be better suited for next gen CPUs with it's 280 AIO support and AMDs rumored 170W TDP. I guess I could always swap out cases when the time came. Decisions decisions..... lol
Just bought the meshlicious yesterday because of the smaller footprint! Will you be doing a build guide for the meshlicious anytime soon?
he already made a few videos with the Meshilicious. Can check this channel's playlist
SSUPD, Ncase M1, Ghost Loque, FormD, etc aren't actually available in Indonesia, no official distributors unlike CM.
Just some people bought it overseas then sell it for 2-3x actual prices.
Case scalpers? 😖
@@MachinesMore Yes. And apparently after NZXT H1 riser incident, NZXT official store decided to start selling NZXT H1 bundled with NZXT SFX 650w gold PSU. Now it's WAY more expensive than before.
I really hope you review darkFlash DLH 21 because it's the cheapest vertical/small footprint case here in Indonesia.
What are your thoughts on the deshroud mod in the meshilicious? I saw some pictures on reddit with the GPU in 4 slot config. Would this be a good idea with 240 or 280 for the CPU only exhaust? I hate the GPU waterblock compatibility hussle but most of the cards stock run somewhat loud to my taste (excluding some more expensive strix cards). This leads me to consider the deshroud mod, any other negatives I should be worried about?
Hello ! Which case do you prefer between Cooler Master NR200P and NZXT H210 ?
Bit of a slightly biased view regarding cooling/airflow as u really didn’t touch on the fact the Meshlicious is structurally a giant filter enough, with no solid panelling (except if u use a single glass panel)
Hi, could you please compare the meshlicious with the nr200p max? thx
Any chance you could test the fuma 2 in the nr200p? Wondering if its better than the mugen 5
I'd go with the NR200 for a more flexible build option.
Why would you call a mini itx case "Heavyweight" lol, it is more like Lightweight or featherweight class (boxing), great video, loved the comparison.
Have you seen the new nr200?
off course he has, he's just the only one respecting the embargo ;)
For AIO I will always go with front our top mounting. Button or side mounting is a no go for me. I have a case with a side mounted AIO, and recently had to stand it on it vertically on it's face for to pump noise I beloved from permeation.
Meshlicious for AIO use
NR200 for air cooling (non low profile).
can you review the silverstone's SX1000 PSU?
NR200 is a more versatile case, big win for cooler master.
The Meshlicious is the stylish and fancy alternative to what the NR200 is for ITX. Both are great cases.
Meshlicious can have 280mm AIO and ATX PSU altogether which NR200 can't, and you say versatile? Opinion from both case user.
Was just thinking: can you fit a riser cable from another brand into the Meshlicious? Say for example, someone has an Asus or Lian Li PCIE 4.0 riser cable lying around, can they just buy the cheaper PCIE 3.0 Meshlicious and for their own riser cable in it?
Yes, it’s not special technology on the included cable, but the included one is already folded over, and, while I’m sure you could fold an off the shelf one, if it breaks or stops working, not sure if there would be a valid warranty claim, as opposed to the out of box one. One additional thing is that some cables are better than others, some 3.0 cables can actually run at 4.0 speeds.
Even though the NR200P lost in footprint by two points due to its larger size. These scores do not account for the purpose of SFF the fact that it is small. yeah the NR200P supports a full size hard drive or more fans but is that really what someone wants when buying SFF. The NR200P is one of the largest SFF cases on the market, I believe the meshlicious should have received a 10 for footprint and the NR200P should have received a 5. I have both of these cases and I really like them both but I just feel like the NR200P is like dipping your toe into the world of SFF. Also, Going SFF also means you lose some compatibility, but you trade that for a smaller footprint, so I believe the meshlicious is undervalued for everything it offers for only 14.7L.
Can you review the acat x1 from taobao?
what's that cooler at 5:00?
For the Meshlicious if I have the 4.0 riser cable (using a 6900xt) do I need to boot in 4.0 mode or will automatic be okay?
You should be fine. The other direction (downgrading with the auto setting) is what gives issues. It wouldn’t hurt to fix it on 4.0 once you get into BIOS either.
@@MachinesMore thank you so much for the reply and the awesome SFF content. I know how busy you are!
Still an easy win for Meshlicious, even compared to NR200P Max. Meshlicious is the only case that supports 280mm rad, ATX PSU and mainstream 3-slot GPUs altogether among current sub-20L SFF cases. NR200 families can store more storages and longer GPUs, but I regretted going for NR200 and expensive V850 SFX and suffered with the PSU fan noises that drove me crazy. Now with Meshlicious I have never been happier than ever.
Ncase M1 has entered the chat.
make a video on the standoff mod cpu/gpu side
when you gonna do a review on the nr200p max?
When I get the review unit 😊 but will have some info to share shortly.
Bad = 7/10? What is this, IGN?
Your shots of the PCs are a little too close. You should do some wide shots more
Looks like the NR200P wins... Until you actually look at both of them 😁
We need more Ncase videos.
This is happening!
@@MachinesMore awesome
Hey Wong what case does Dr. Strange prefer between the two?
I need to stop looking at water cooled SFF, I know I don't have the patience or the extra cash for it
6kg vs 3.5kg that’s the main difference
NR200p is easily better