RUGBY ANALYSIS | Why Did Scotland CHOKE Against FRANCE? (2024 Six Nations)
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- Scotland gonna Scotland and France gonna France I guess? After an unconvincing effort by both teams, Scotland found themselves asleep at the wheel, with France capitalising. But, were Scotland robbed? Let's see...
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Introduction
0:44 - Ben White’s Try
4:10 - Gael Fickou’s Try
5:29 - Ad Break
5:30 - Half-Time Stats Review
7:37 - Louis Bielle-Biarrey’s Try
9:23 - THAT Decision…
10:47 - Full-Time Stats Review
12:56 - Final Thoughts & Conclusion
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This comments section is gonna get interesting 👀
Personally, you r allowed to think different, but I think that final try was indeed a try.
The point he (and every other podcast I have watched) is making, is that Scotland lost this match all on their own.
There are failings on two counts.
Firstly, the grounding was clear and a try should have been awarded.
On the basis that the couldn’t evidence that, then the second offence is by Tuilagi lying over the player preventing clear release.
That is a penalty to Scotland and a yellow card, and the question then becomes should a penalty try be awarded?
If Scotland had been 15 points ahead at the 80th minute, nobody would be appaled by this decision. As a French, I think it was a try and feel sorry for Scotland but why didn't they score 2 tries or more, particularly at 15 vs 14? The seeds of defeat were sown earlier in the game.
Vrai , on a déjà vécu cela . Les écossais n ont pas fait grand chose en seconde mi temps .
Ref asked the question that meant the tmo had to see the ball grounded or he couldn't say it was a try
Problem was Berry says "no try" and that leaves the TMO with a mountain to climb to prove definitively that it touched the line.
I agree though that Scotland bottled it. Myself and many others in the match thread on Reddit were wondering WTF they were doing. France were there for the taking. They didn't turn up for about 67 minutes.
Yup, it was almost like France were the older brother letting their siblings have a head start for a race 🤣
But you know what, at least it isn’t the 2010’s and we still know which French team will turn up 😅
@@TheBlackJersey If they persist with Lucu at 9 they'll be in trouble again though. They must start Le Garrec from here on in.
Absolutely loving this channel. The tactical analysis and the host behind it is articulate and passionate.
I think two things can be true - Scotland should have been able to win without that last try, and they were also robbed by an incorrect decision. England should have been able to put more points on Wales than they did, but you can't argue that they didn't do enough to win. Same applies for Scotland, poor in periods of the game and didn't take their chances, but still did enough to win at the death if not for what is in my opinion a shocking decision.
I agree Max, they weren't robbed, at least by the TMO. Once the ref decided it was held up it was up to seeing conclusive video evidence of it being grounded. There was none. Another point many forget, the ball rolled a little forward off the boot and that would have been a knock on. As for the game, if it wasn't as close as it was, I would have fallen asleep over my pint in the Irish bar. It was a woeful game with huge chunks of time wasted on kick volleyball with Scotland having no clue about what to with the ball.
I watched back the 'disallowed try" last night and formed a different opinion, here's the points to look at;
1) the position of the referee, he was in the perfect spot to see the grounding if it occurred.
2) The reaction of the Scottish players, none of them were celebrating even before the ref announced his decision.
3) On one angle shot you can clearly see a French hand under the ball.
Sorry Scotland fans but I concluded it was NO TRY,
Pas cool , on est désolés pour les écossais 😢
Hey Max, what happened to Alldritt ? You mention 3 headbuts, I could'nt remember when those happened (or was it just humour?)
If Finn had elected to kick 3 easy penalties in the first half instead of opting for scrums, then Scotland would have won with ease. At the end I just couldn't have given a try. You just couldn't see it. A French boot was definitely under the ball at first put down
Max, can you do a video showing off-sides - maybe showing a red line from the last foot of each team in rucks and mauls?
No you can see it was grounded at the back of a French players elbow for a split second. It was a try
But it can not be determined if the player was in control of the ball!
@@cateym His hands where on top of it seems to me he was in control of it
An arm in front of the ball doesn’t demonstrate downward pressure 💀
@@TheBlackJersey He's literally laying on the ball how much more down pressure do you need? You can see the ball was grounded just before the elbow was in the way it was a try
Hi Max, I think you generally tick most of the boxes with your analysis, but sorry, this time Scotland have been plain cheated out of a cleansheet (and possible Grand slam-as of yeterdays full time whistle). You ask why? ...take a look at the French try against the Irish in Marseille, no obvious grounding, no footage to support the refs "summise" that they were over the line, and this time they get the split decision in their favour once again...in France the result was never going to be altered, Ireland were massive & blew them off the pitch, but here the run of the Championship for Scotland has been altered, both attempts were vid scutinised to the death, and both had 100% differing results, both in favour of France.
Makes me wonder if that feels "fair" this morning, regardless of which fan block you sat in!
I don't think Scotland grounded the ball, at least it wasn't clear and anyway rolling it over the boot would technically have been a knock on anyway. However I get your point, but it's the on field decision by the ref that made the difference. The on field decision in the French situation was try. That's a key difference. But as for it stopping Scotland win a Grand Slam, that was never going to happen, though it would have been nice to have a GS decider in Dublin.
@@brianmsahin, hi brian, I hear you & I know its unlightly that Scotland could go all the way, but cleansheets build belief, after all this is the 6N, probably the biggest "unsung sporting contest on the planet" in my book, so every encounter has its own universe. I'm Irish, imagine if that was to be the last play of the day today at the Aviva vs Italy???... I would certainly have questions😉
Before calling a robbed win, think about the high tackle on fickou on 1st half + the offside interception and the tackle without the ball on LBB on the following seconds. It should have been penalty try + yellow card
Wales fan here, I usually like your analysis but this is pretty silly. By blaming Scotland here we are completely aleiviating responsibility from the ref. We should be able to admit that the referee robbed scotland AND that scotland didnt play well enough earlier in the game. Both things can be true at once.
If a player is over the line and nobody is beneath him then it should be assumed that a try has been scored unless you see evidence that it was held up. There was no evidence that the ball was held up so nick berry should have said "on field decision try" then the tmo would have to find clear evidence that it was held up which he obviously wouldnt find. This is like throwing a dinner plate out of your window, hearing a smash but assuming that it didnt break because you didnt phisically see it break. Nick berry decided to give france the benefit of the doubt that they held it up although he couldn't see it, that cost scotland the game. This is mainly nick berry's fault but i would argue that the tmo had enough evidence go say that it was grounded due to the paint of the try line being visible on the grass behind where the ball is grounded.
We are currently experiencing a crisis in rugby refereeing and nobody is talking about it, instead you either get shouted down or told that only bad teams complain about the ref. We just had a RWC final ruined by wayne barnes terrible refereeing and everyone just seems happy to make no changes and hope for different results. Nick berry's decision yesterday perfectly mirrors a crucial disallowed try in the WAL vs ITA game 2 years ago. Wyn jones goes over the line with nobody beneath him. Andrew brace inexplicably calls "on field decision no try" and joy neville can't see past the mass of bodies so its chalked off. Nothing has changed in two years so im sure this will continue to happen in 2 years time. I think we need an independent commission to monitor referees behaviour, not for marginal calls but for calls like this where a ref essentially decides who wins have to be severely punished.
Yes. We do have a refereeing crisis. Said crisis is a shortage of people willing to do the job because of comments like these 💀
@@TheBlackJersey exactly! Why should refereeing be a meritocracy? It's better to treat referees like gods who can't be criticised lest they get offended and quit. If they don't want to be criticised then just like the players, the referees are in the wrong game. It's opinions like yours that means that the quality of refereeing will never improve. We'll still be having these issues in 10 years time because we refuse to call this what it is. I'm not talking about marginal, debatable calls I'm talking about big, game breaking decisions that have been happening consistently for years and never get brought up because referees are treated by some in the rugby community as holy entities that cannot be at fault and cannot be improved upon.
10:44 I know I'm taking the bait here but this is the most pathetic attempt to rile people up in order to drive engagement on a channel I've ever seen. He had a leg injury, they're literally wrapping his knee up in this pic. Do better.
l'écosse a gagné en vrai it's try for scotland and i'm french scotland winner
Scotland were woeful in that second half, just painful but I still feel for them. Looks like a try to me. But that tmo... its really sounds like he buckles under the pressure and it all goes into a dawgs dinner. He's in for a bad week
Yup, that’s two tests in a row where Scotland have fallen asleep at the wheel and conceded a hard-earned win margin… if they don’t finish top three then it’s time for the coaches to go 💯
He's in for a bad week because people always insist there's a conspiracy against them. The referee was right there and felt the ball was held up. He then asked the TMO to take a look and see if he could see a grounding, the TMO couldn't see a grounding so the referee's decision stood. What's the problem?
@@stephendeane7509 because people love a scapegoat and regardless of the defence fans will troll him
@@stephendeane7509what evidence did nick berry have to make that decision? The Scotland player crosses the line and nobody is beneath him. Nick berry assumed that France held it up and that assumption cost Scotland the game. Unless you can prove that a ball was held up then it should be assumed that a try was scored, with all the cameras on the field we should be able to see what nick berry saw. Upon review, there was no evidence of it being held up. He should have called "on field decision try" and then they would have had to prove that France hold it up which obviously they didn't.
@d.jparer5184 Basically you just prove my point. You're saying the ref should award things your team's way, and if he doesn't, it's a conspiracy against you. Isn't it more likely that, for whatever reason, Nic Berry didn't think a try had been scored and that's why he said "no try" and then invited the TMO to see if there was footage that proved otherwise? If it had gone the other way, French fans would just be making your point instead. Fans of all teams need to accept that the officials are operating "in good faith" and sometimes you won't be on the right side of a hard call!
It seems Max's face is supporting Wales 😅 more seriously though, I think you made some good points about this game especially about how Scotland got a bit too confident like vs. Wales except this time it comeback to haunt them.
Happy with the win but definitely not with the manner though. We were so poor, weak & boring to watch that I barely recognized my team. I think the new staff may be the reason why.
Also about the TMO call, its a damn if they do or damn if they dont scenario tbh and I can understand if the Scots feels cheated tbh but I found weird how they didnt check how Russell gathered the ball right before that since he seemed pretty offside + does a knock-on to me lol. Same for the Aldritt Injury or the VDM high tackle on Fickou + offside intercept in 1st half could have been Penalty Try + Yellow Card. Weird refeering for both sides ngl even if its not the worse I have seen too.
What a terrible game, especially the 3rd quarter. For the whole of the game, Scotland played offside at rucks and mauls plus if they did go into the mauls and rucks, it was wasn't from behind their last man. Scotlands lineout throwing was also not straight.
I agree, I think France are out of sorts, WC hangover, Scotland lost that game yesterday, rather than France winning, I think Wales could beat France when they play them at home, they are close to turning the corner, but Scotland undone their good work in Cardiff, and are party ploopers again.
Yes.....they we're stolen....🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
100% Two games in and Scotland have basically only played for one half of each. They had the opportunity to put France away and didn't take it. They have nobody to blame but themselves!
Finalement nôtre équipe B a suffit pour s'imposer a murrayfield 😂
Didn’t realise there were wild lobsters in New Zealand 🦞
HI mate , hope you are watching the pre-season games of the super rugby teams the blues have scored some great tries
Damn out here looking a Lobster 🦞
Shhhhh 🤫🤣
Scotland choked simple as that. How did they not score 4 tries against a terrible french performance
Poor game to much aimless kicking Scotland can't handle the pressure on the big games
bugger me, I thought us Welsh could moan, its far from the first time this "no try prove me wrong" has cost games we've had it loads, England, Ireland everyone. If you've got away with it till now you haven't been scoring enough over the years. I tell you from experience just suck it up, it won't change the fact the ref saw it held and called no try and the TMO didn't have the footage to conclusively say otherwise
I knew you would bring some soberness to the outrage, Max. I felt for the Scots but the TMO made the right call.
Hand (French) got under the ball.
Which ever way the decision went one lot of fans were going to claim they were robbed. There was no clear grounding and so it's only fair that the scoreline doesn't change. This time it favoured France, next time ..
We all know that a rugby ball has a mind of its own sometimes but for a rugby ball ‘levitating’ never seen that before.
Always like your analysis and I think you are right about Scotland should have won that match.
The match was not lost at the end but at the end of the first half when failing to score.most Scots know we would lose then, so it was no surprise.
Townsend has to go, he has his time.
Altight for you Kiwi's you never have to worry about being refereed by Nic Berry the worst international referee going, and that's saying something
I can’t name a test (outside of this one) that’s been decided by a ref’s call in the 2020’s. Every All Blacks loss under Ian Foster was a test we deserved to lose 😅
They didn't choke France are not that bad very hard to beat. It was no sore. They should of scored more at end of 1st half simple as.
I’d agree with you if this was 2023 France… but I think France’s change in assistant coaches is having a bit more of an impact than I initially thought and that they’re in a vulnerable position after these two games… I think France can still finish 2nd but there’s a bit of uncertainty with a few plays there aye 😅
France are not the same team as last year. Scotland decided to play kick tennis and sit on their narrow lead, which ultimately bit them in the arse. Van der merwe took that ball in an offside position in the first half on his own line so the french could hard done by to. Terrible game. Two teams struggling for different reasons.
@@TheBlackJersey this 6 nations is a free hit if you get me because it's so far from the WC. In 4 years time we won't even be thinking of this. It's the 2 6 nations before the WC that's the important 1. Teams are building and I can see what Wales are doing. I'm Irish and if they can keep them kids for 4 years they will be the team to fear. I felt no 1 would win a grandslam this year I'm Irish and I actually fear England because it's time they beat Ireland and they can step it up. So don't be surprised if England win. But I'm really impressed with Wales because there kids and if they continue with what there doing I'd fear them in 2 years
@@TheBlackJersey oh and I think England will finish 2nd IV just this feeling I think if they don't beat Ireland they will beat France and they need to stick with there management even though bad times in next 4 years. As Irish man that what were looking at now, this quarter finals shit has to come to a end Nd IV seen a few 6 nations win over last few yrs il take them but we feel we can win the WC in 4 years with this group. It just has to go right for us. And I feel in 4 years NH rugby will surpass SH rugby and when it does i think it will stay up here because more money in Europe
I just saw TASanalytics video about this and was waiting for this response hahaha. It was as biased and bad as I had expected.
Me: it wasn’t quite a try; Scotland blew it with greed. The lock wanted all the glory. They panicked and went for the try rather than build the phases a bit more and use Finn’s offloading ability to put someone into space.
Didn’t need a SBW pass from Finn Messi. Could see the space opening..
To be honest, discussing the nature of the grounding distracted me from mentioning that! Skinner probably ran a little early and could have done with a bind from one of his teammates 😅
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You miss the point my friend. The way a game is played does not go into the history annals, nor does it give world ranking points. The result is what counts and in this case a totally inept ref and TMO cost Scotland an opportunity to challenge for a slam, triple crown, championship win, world rankings. Everyone watching knows it was a try. Rugby has become a laughing stock when a TMO says yes Nick, ball is grounded, let me have another look ... well can't see every blade of grass and my lunch is ready and my best mate Pierre says the ball clearly videoed on the ground over the try line might not be a try, given the shadow of Mars cast through the moon ... no ... no evidence that the ball on the ground under a Scottish chest is on the ground ... eh ... let me look at this ball on the ground again ... could be on top of and ant, or maybe a leaf ... can't quite disprove that ... must be worms under the soil of Murrayfield so I am going to say the ball you can see grounded is not evidence of a grounded ball and therefore no try. You can look at the game all you want but what has been taken away from the Scots here from the ridiculous decision has put rugby in the frame for laughing stock.
Scotland did NOT choke they had more position and territory, it was the Ref that lost the game for Scotland when you have a Botany Bay ref what do you expect they are inherently scandalous bought off by who?
LOL
I think you mean by WHOM! 🧐
ha ha
Referees decision
No.
@@TheBlackJersey does on field decision not matter?