Silverquill Precon - Budget Upgrade Guide | The Command Zone 391 | Magic: The Gathering Commander
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This episode we get political with our budget upgrade guide for the new âSilverquill Statementâ C21 precon! Writer/Producer Jordan Pridgen joins us to go over which 10 cards to add (for about $30) and which 10 cards to drop to make sure your deck can make deals at the top tables!
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![Breena, the Demagogue | EDH Three Ways [Commander Strategy for Every Player] Silverquill Orzhov EDH](/img/n.gif)
Remember, Felisa creates tokens for each counter, not just +1/+1 counters
Upvoted, because this is important info.
Cause those all important keyword counters
very cool, them ikoria counters will come a long way
So run Kenrith or something with Felisa, Hapatra, Volrath and the Scorpion god? :D
great for things that store lots of nonsense counters, like Spore counters, Icatian Moneychanger(becomes W for three 2/1s if you can Sac him), etc
Would you dudes consider putting what cards go in and what come out in the description? I listened to the episode but I'd have to go back and manually make a note of all of them. Last time I wanted to do a precon upgrade I wound up using a write-up from MTG Goldfish just because they had it in article form.
EDIT- I did it for this video:
In:
- Keeper of the Accord
- Talisman of Hierarchy
- Mind's Eye
- Ancient Craving
- Generous Gift
- Council's Judgment
- Austere Command
- Phyrexian Reclamation
- Gray Merchant of Asphodel
- Gonti, Lord of Luxury
Out:
- Guardian Archon
- Angel of Serenity
- Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
- Zetalpa, Primal Dawn
- Vow of Duty
- Parasitic Impetus
- Soul Snare
- Hunted Lammasu
- Gideon, Champion of Justice
- Coveted Jewel
Bless you, youâre awesome
Not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed.
Thanks!
Thanks for this!
CARDS OUT:
Guardian Archon, Creature, 4 WW
Angel of Serenity, Creature 4 WWW
Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts, Creature, 5 WB
Zetalpa, Primal Dawn, Creature, 6 WW
Vow of Duty, Enchantment, 2 W
Parasitic Impetus, Enchantment, 2 B
Soul Snare, Enchantment, W
Hunted Lammasu, Creature, 2 WW
Gideon, Champion of Justice, Creature, 2 WW
Coveted Jewel, Artifact, 6
CARDS IN:
Keeper of the Accord, Creature, 3 W
Mind's Eye, Artifact, 5
Ancient Craving, Sorcery, 3 B
Generous Gift, Instant, 2 W
Council's Judgment, Sorcery, 1 WW
Austere Command, Sorcery, 4 WW
Phyrexian Reclamation, Enchantment, B
Gray Merchant of Asphodel, Creature, 3 BB
Gonti, Lord of Luxury, Creature, 2 BB
Talisman of Hierarchy, Artifact, 2
Thanks for the list. Helped me a lot.
''If you hug everyone, how much is your hug really worth?''
DJ, you ok bud? Who hurt you?
Probably a legion of elephants đ
I really like a channel that can change host without losing quality... It's a amazing crew!
heck yeah. everyone on the Command Zone team is just crushing it
its really true. i think it'd be amazing to work there
âYou never want to miss a land dropâ
Should have followed it up with a
âShout out to our boy Jimmyâ
LOL #truth
lmao
JORDAN AND DJ?!? My Monday just got so much better.
Hi Ashlen, how are you
Whats your favorite strixhaven commander?
You and lady danger better be the next hosts.
Jordan's voice really reminded me of Josh. His inflections and speech pattern almost had me doing double takes when I listened to the podcast yesterday!
Gideon's loyalty counters count as counters for Felisa's death trigger. His first ability makes a ton of counters, then turn him into a creature and sac him making a token for each loyalty that was on him.
That is wild and cool.
Ok you can keep it for a felisa deck. Im not sure how it fits in breena. I agree with him be clunky
@@dariocampanella7992 I do like the fact that they are including cards the support the other commanders
Loved this episode. Jordan had a really interesting take on what to include/remove in this deck. Great screen presence from both hosts as well. Thanks!
Brenna just sounds so damn fun my friends always get mad at me for beating them down cant wait to see how they feel when I help them
Fantastic episode! DJ is always so natural, and conversations with him are always fun! So happy to see more of Jordan too! He is so fun, so fun that more of the people behind the scenes have been able to be in the limelight, just so great!
"Buy Felisa!" Missed opportunity in your sales pitch đ€Ł
Love how succinct the intro was! Card Kingdom, Ultra Pro, Patreon, all in a few minutes!
The way that DJ is so hyped while helping these guys, thah guy is AMAZING
DJ YOU ROCK!
"Deathbringer Liege is a Lorewyn card, so I'll use my one per video..."
Eventide actually..... Which focused on all enemy colors.
@@newskinn408 interesting. Those sets I never had the pleasure of getting into since I only got into magic around the Ixalan Era, but everything I've seen about them sounds wonderfully fantastical.
Ah, Heroes and Legends. I see you are person of culture as well.
This part had me dead. I felt so old when they mentioned that the set was really old. Haha. Also, funny shoutout!
Now that you've hilighted that Breena can draw you multiple cards, I'm now REALLY interested
Crystalline Crawler may be underappreciated ramp for this deck. Normally I wouldn't use it in a 2-color deck, but it's always nice in decks that throw +1/+1 counters around.
DJ and Jordan are a great team. I'm loving the mix and match this season!
man what a power couple dj and jordan. much love for both.more of these guys.
Inkshield frickin' wrecked us in a precon battle. The high ceiling you brought up is legit how it played out too (a 33/33 fractal instead of Craterhoof). It was amazing.
78/78 fractal in commander
Instantly the lorehold player whispers
*path to exile*
Quandrix: B-but its 1 mana, and i get ramp!
Lorehold: small price to pay... For *path*
I'm super excited for this deck! I'm going for a more political combat control, aikido kinda deck with a lot of buyback synergies. A lot more of an overhaul but still very fun, casual and budget!
Wasn't even interested in this deck but these two have such good synergy I watched the whole thing anyway.
I made my deck into small flyer's. Some of the most valuable cards I added were The Ozolith, Spirit Bonds, and Blot out the Sky.
It's done well the few times I've played it
DJ and JP.
My life is complete now.
Man I thought the title said sliver queen and I got really excited for a moment.
Loving having different members of the crew on with DJ
I think Nils, Discipline Enforcer is a lot better than people are giving him credit for. You don't have to put counters on their creatures and if they already have a creature with counters, you're no worse off than before you cast him.
Most of the time people will go the path of least resistance "oh I can't attack this one player with my blightsteel unless I waste a removal spell on this one guy. Ok, I have two other players to take out first."
I bought all 5 decks. Going to take the coveted jewel out of this deck and slot it into the lorehold deck. When you can sack the jewel for 1 opponents aren't as likely to attack you for it. And if they try, you sack it, they get nothing. Next turn you do pay 6, get 2 of them back (which is 6 mana as well), and draw 6!
It's an attack trigger, so they would still get the cards. Probably better to get rid of it on your turn.
Aww yeah! Love these videos checking out the new decks!
Donât think itâs super important to the deck, but Selfless Squire gets +1/+1 counters from _any_ fog effect that saves your face. So dropping a Holy Day with her on the field letâs her grow even more.
I love saving my ass with Selfless Squire in my Queen Marchesa deck (Long may she reign.) Then when my opponents think I'm done for and swing at me I hit em with a Comeuppance.
Damn these two have amazing chemistry together, love it!
I love the ads you guys do
Played a 5 player game with precons only. I used this face commander and had a blast. I came up with group rules like,âwhoever holds the coveted jewel will not be attacked by meâ and âwhoever did the most damage to an opponent will not be attacked by meâ. I was never the one doing huge damage. I was the one helping my opponents beat my opponents. I swung in and won in the end. Regardless of winning/losing it was fun. Players felt like they were making deals with the devil (me) all game.
Jordan has great set knowledge!
The thing about Gideon is the enviroment, there is a token deck among the 2021 precons. And you can tap your mana, exile all the board and play some threats
"This is a deck you can bring your monocle to..." D. J., way too funny!!!
DJ.. Please, join those guys officially.
I'm sorry but I personally hope not. I feel like the josh/jimmy dynamic is solid. D.J. can also sometimes have some opinions that I disagree with or say things that kind of rub me the wrong way. Don't get me wrong, it's cool when he guest hosts, and that he's helping out with the workload at the moment. I just hope it's not a permanent thing.
@@TheChickenLego what type of takes does DJ have that rub you the wrong way? Not trying to fight, just curious.
Timo Stubchen I believe there was one part in the podcast where D.J. was talking about a new card that wasn't very good, but he said something along the lines of "that's fine, I want that effect in my decks". I don't know, I guess it's too much forced positivity for me.
What do you like about D.J.? I'm also curious as to your thoughts :).
@@TheChickenLego Agreed. Especially in his deck techs over on his channel, sometimes the categories seem to be absolutely off in my opinion. Like on his Kardur, Doomscourge list, where he is only playing 33 lands with little more than 6 mana accelerators and not even a single dedicated card draw spell, and that in Rakdos, where you have a whole suite of amazing black spells to draw cards off of. The low land count paired with the low amount of draw will lead to poor games, I guarantee it. Some of the decisions just feel baffling to me. And stuff like that happens in a bunch of his deck techs. But thatâs just my impression, he still seems to be a great guy, especially for helping out the CZ during high workload times, but I canât say I agree with his deckbuilding all the time.
Edit: Phrasing
@@TheChickenLego I think a third voice can be good. I appreciate his positivity, and his ideas and play style seem to be more about fun than strictly better cards. No real deep analysis here.
Immediate thumbs up for the fun ad ft. DJ
Love watching budget upgrades from different members of the command zone. It has helped shape my way of thinking how to build decks. One card might not be in this particular deck but is really good in the strategy. I would love to see more staff doing budget upgrades. Also you guys make work such less. I put in my ear buds and listen to any content you make. Keep it up!
Sure! I think i gotten better myself but i still get attached to janky pet cards
ngl that whispersilk VPN add was awesome
Nils discipline enforcer can work in a Jeskai Ludevic goad deck, the only problem is that it's a ghostly prison on a creature, so you'd need protection givers to block single target removal and indestructible givers or Idris Elba's protection, cosmic intervention, etc. for board wipes.
Nice video. Hoping the witherbloom video comes out soon!
Fain, the Broker seems like a lot of value in a Korvold Fae-Cursed King deck
Fain + Luminous Broodmoth seems fun. Or the old standby Intruder Alarm
Together Forever is actually sneaky good because it only checks for a counter upon activation, when that creature dies during that turn it doesn't still need a counter on it. In other words you can target Walking Ballista and when it dies from having its last counter removed it'll still come back to your hand :-)
Oreskos Explorer does not specify basics. You can find plains with multiple colours, or even plains with cycling! I have it in Alesha, and have played it in a Ephara. I like it. Its two mana card advantage and colourfixing, with a body.
The new elder dragon shadrix silverquill would also be a really good commander for this deck.
Sounds like all the cards they removed were just the high cmc which I understand since Command Zone centers more on mid to high power play groups and those groups focus more on non-combat damage and winning faster
I for one will keep Teysa in my eventual Shadrix deck but to each their own.
And of course, thank you for the content guys!
Iâm a super political player and I LOVE this deck. Iâve definitely made changes and tossed Gideon ASAP but the deck just runs so well politically. Breena actually ended up knocking out all three of my opponents with that +1 counter ability and commander damage. Amazing.
Are you guys gonna do the budget upgrade for the Witherbloom commander deck? I know you did the other four, and those are the decks to be featured on extra-turns, but I was really hoping to see the budget upgrades for all of the decks. You guys do such a good job coming up with little tweaks or cards that I would have never thought of, and this deck I was really excited for and really excited to see your edits. This Silverquil one was pretty solid!
Witherbloom upgrade is out now
Coveted Jewel should have been in the Boros deck! Sac it, reanimate it, get 6 cards 6 mana. Then sac the copies before your opponents can get them.
I-
THAT WORKS?
OHOHOHOHOHOH
however how about two mirrors
Or even better
Two gateways to emptyness
And 2 chromatic quarries?
you'll spend six to bring them back and 2 more to get rid of them - still 2-draw 6 seems decent
PSA: Nils works with any kind of counter, presenting interesting opportunities for Mathas, Fiend Seeker and Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer decks to go alongside any Ghostly Prisons you might be running. Might not be worth the card slot, but it is interesting
Coveted Jewel seems like a fun (read: not really all that competitive) addition to a deck that can easily sacrifice and recur it. Daretti or Osgir seem like cool commanders for the card.
I would hate it in osgir cause that means when they get through they are getting like 6 cards and 2 giant mana rocks... basically what im saying is you make the copies of the coveted jewel and get attacked then you just basically played king maker and lost the whole table the board... because if they are going to attack you like that there is no way osgir is living to sacrifice them before they get given away to the opponent...
@@d43m0n412 Well, the goal would obviously be to cast Coveted Jewel after Osgir is already in play and ready to sacrifice it, netting you 2 extra cards and 2 extra mana. You would then only recur Coveted Jewel once you had another, ideally free, sacrifice outlet - which there are plenty of in Boros colors and of the colorless variety.
@@Nr4747 You'd need to recur the Jewel from exile though, since it goes there when you make the two token copies via Osgir. And there is only one specific white card in existence that does that (there is a green one but that can't be played in Osgir)
@@andrewsparkes8829 Hm, good point.
Wow DJ hosting first time CZ podcast! Nice!
Lorehold Upgrade Video: Am I nothing to you?
Would love to see DJ make a deck list for Felisa!
Im feeling like "manipulate" and "love" shouldn't be in the same sentence. Lol
@40:09 and Oreskos Explorer doesn't say basic, so you can get duals that share with Plains
I personally love this deck. Especially since I am building Shadrix himself. He's the best commander for this lol
I agree. This is the one deck that I will be using a commander from outside the deck to run it. Shadrix is just so much better imo. Only I'll draw cards and I can still be political about tokens or counters
@@dorsalfin22 right? And the way you can control your opponents creatures in either giving them inklings or counters is a big plus side for me. Besides there are cards that allow you to protect your permanent creature or enchantments
Loved the additions and tips for the Silverquill precon. Great episode! Would like to see more variation with DJ, JP, JW,JLK!
Awesome video! đ
can breena trigger multiple times for striking multiple opponents? Or is it written so that it only triggers once?
Ikoria counters, charge counters, all the random counters throughout magic will trigger for Felisa. She doesnât just care about +1/+1 counters.
Weitd tech, this is the colors to put Archtype of Finality and Archtype of (the white one) to get your board First Strike and Deathtouch, and taking them both away from anybody else's creatures. Further discinticentiving attackers
I will say it's odd that the general options are so different; feel like it's gonna be similar to the wizard emminence precon, where a chunk of the deck was totally unrelated because it was built for Kess, one of the secondary generals. That aside...I feel like both of the dual-color generals are potentially a lot of fun, and the outlines you guys placed were a great place to start with the upgrade path.
When Jordan says "Owl Lady" (4:14-4:16), all I can think of is "Eda, the Owl Lady" from "The Owl House".
âJust smashing noobsâ love that!!!
Council's Judgement theme song: "Alright, stop! Council Time!"
Ahh breena. The surprise voltron commander
I built Shandrix Silverquill, which I feel like is a more interesting political card than Felisa or Brenna, and can run both depending on how you build it.
I love the bird warlock itâs so fun
Edgar Markov is gonna love Felisa, Fang of Silverquill. he puts +1/+1 counters on creatures when he attacks, so if Felisa also attacks and does the same to one of them, thats pretty sweet.
wait wait wait.. the card draw is attack trigger? you want "Reconnaissance" in this deck. it is around 7 $ (8.5 $ if you use card kingdom), but its so good with Breena. you can attack and pull your creatures back that were blocked and get to trigger everyone of your creatures.
I bought a precon once that had Teysa, Envoy of ghosts on the front, I guess it was the first version of commander decks, it was from Dragon's maze, I agree, if it wasn't 7 mana it would be great.
So.. what would DJ take out for the 3 things he suggested to put in? because there are 13 things to take out in total if you include DJ's suggestions. personally I would remove Nils and fain, I don't like those. Pendant of Prosperity is also very group huggy. I don't like that one. And like I said, for the 14th. card, I would add "Reconnaissance" if you got that bit of extra money and for that card I would remove "Promise of Loyalty" as it's just a very bad 5 mana "sometimes hits their biggest creature". its not good enough. And for my 15th card, since I want to have it at a nice number. I would add some sort of tutor. this would depend of your budget. Ideally you want Demonic tutor of course, but Diabolic tutor is fine too, just so you can tutor up a card when you need it. for the tutor I'd remove that other clunky 5 mana card called "Infernal Offering". so those are my 15 cards out, 15 cards in list.
DJ and JP what a combo
"If you just hug everyone, then what's your hug worth?"
Damn okay DJ, I see you man ;~; lol
Thanks dude for more content:)
**Looks at the Breena Deck**, **then looks at Killian***......who is Breena again?
Pretty Sure Oreskos Explorer wants to be paired with the new white archeology map or whatever its called
44:41 Jace's tiny legs give me life.
Inkshield, not a reprit but one of the new cards, is worth 10 bucks. So take that into account when buying
24:54 - Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't tokens not considered spells? That would mean that Deathbringer Liege's effects won't trigger with them entering the field. Is this right?
My groups kranko player might have a problem with me ink shielding him with. Especially when he has 200plus goblins
DJ says take care - *something is missing from the outro*
DJ âPeaceâ
There it is!
I have an idea that I would appreciate some feedback on when it comes to these precons, I want to use esika, goddess of the world tree (i think I spelt her name right) as commander and use the "best cards" from these 5 precons to build a 100 card skeleton structure, I want to then use card from strixhaven packs to boost the deck, any suggestions/advice/tips/ect would be nice, I have only used two color decks this is my first time doing 5 color from scratch without a guide or blueprint
Unfortunately there is no 5 color synergy with strixhaven so your deck would be really unfocused. Esika is a great commander and of you want to build around her, I would check her edhrec page. She tends to be built as a god tribal deck. If you really want all 5 of the strixhaven schools together for a play experience I recommend making a cube around them instead. Otherwise they are designed to be played as 2 color guilds/schools (the exception being Extus the 3 color mardu commander)
QUESTION..... does mana value scale with commander tax???
Hi! What would you change to make this precon more enjoyable for 1v1? I feel this deck has many cards thst only work multiplayer
Political decks seem like a very bad matchup for 1v1 in general.
Inkshield is definitely among the top 3 cards of this Deck, because it can single handedly win you the game. Being a 5 cmc card however makes it kinda predictable, causing experienced players to poke you to death instead of fullswinging you
I like that new haunted cycle...
39:00 - You say you can play Oreskos Explorer on Turn 2 before playing your second land, but that's only possible if you hit sol ring or mana crypt. I'm not a huge fan of the explorer in Breena because it's never a good value on turn two unless someone has cast Rampat Growth or similar. Most of the time this card can only be cast for value on turns 3 or later, which are the turns in which you wanna cast Breena and get to attacking. And casting it without getting even a single plains is just not worth it, so you usually will not cast on turn two. It's just awkward.
Inklings are awesome.
Duelist vs yoriko is hysterical!
Would Dreadhorde Invasion be a good addition to the deck also with the proliferation mechanic
Lmao I never thought of exiling my own creatures with Angel of Serenity, thanks for the idea
I took it out straight away from ranar. For 7 mana doesnt have enough flexibility i wish it could make me decide wheter i keep card in exile in hand or back into play.
@@dariocampanella7992 yea, seems like a good idea, I play Angel in a deck that makes a ton of mana so it plays like a 5 drop at times
The first set i ever played in was Ravnica/TimeSpiral/Llorwyn standard. The first set after my first break was Return to Ravnica, so that was cool.
I build a bullshit little golgari deck cause i didnt have much money at the time and wanted to play, and first guy i got paired up against used the ORing combo. I didnt know the angel of bullshit existed, but learned real quick. So i was thumbing through the decklist and i had a mini heart attack lol
I agree on Zetalpa. It's 8 CMC, does nothing when it enters and has no protection from the very popular exile removal (Path, Reality Shift, etc.). There are lot better things you can do with 8 mana.
Blot out the Sky and Shadrix Silverquill seem like auto adds to me.
How does breena work one v one? Also isn't fain the broker that one trade offer meme? You receive X I receive X?
"This is a deck you can bring your monocle to."
More like your Harris tweed jacket with the leather elbow pads, amirite?
Felisa doesn't just care about +1/+1 counters.
Jimmy is looking good! đ
Nils was a major problem when I played quandrix and made 7 copies of managorger with like 6 counters each and they just played nils making me attack another opponent
that minds eye decision though oof