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Our budget upgrade guide for the Boros Equipment "Arm for Battle" CMR precon deck. We're giving our suggestions for the 10 cards to add (for ~$25) and 10 to remove in order to bring this deck to the level of "real" Commander decks asap.
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I think Open the armory is a better option than the Stonehewer Giant, and a budget option to Steelshaper's Gift plus you can search an aura.
Its also got reprinted in Commander legends
This is the right opinion
It comes in the deck.
@@michaelmaurath109 Open the Armory does not come in the precon.
Drives me nuts they said stonehewer over open the armory.
Best upgrade guide:
Step 1: take out 3 random cards
Step 2: put in Helm, Sword, and Shield of Kaldra
Step 3: Lose to Crim
Decksperado...
LMFAO. Pretty much.
And Naya Panorama
You have to remove sol ring and add Hedron archive
@@nicholasrolo886 Hedron Archive
I'm sure you guys are aware of this by now but these decks are confirmed to have been designed prior to the zendikar ones, so the zendikar ones being better is a good sign of progressive development, not, what some people seem to think, a decline in the quality
Well that's good to know! Thanks for sharing!
Did not know, where is your source?
Gavin's podcast did confirm this. I just hope they dont pull a wizards and realize they can still give us less and know people will still buy.
@@gypsieking3280 Easy solution don't buy this deck.
@@Tupiaz true, I haven't. I have most of the reprints anyway but I have long ago learned my own voting with my wallet has little effect as MTG is big business and I am but a tiny cog.
Just a reminder that the Commander legends precons were actually designed first so if it seems like they took a step backwards they really didn't.
could i play a commander with a pre-built like this?
@@cashlaidbesideme yes the precon commander decks are a great place to start playing commander. And the cheap set decks they have released recently are great. I would say get either the blue/black rogue deck. Or one of the 2 that came out with Kaldheim set.
We had a guy playing this precon out of the box against our decks and it held it's own. We suck lol
Just bought this deck and it is pretty mean for the cost.
People are seriously sleeping on this guy. He’s super good, the Trample is insanely good on a Voltron commander too. I love him!
Yes, but the deck isn't good
Flickerwisp is to move auras, still not great but yeah
bump
But how would it do that? When the creature is flickered, the auras all go to the graveyard. Is there some interaction I'm missing?
@@therealax6 You Flicker the aura, the rules then determine that the player who owns it gets to choose which creature it enchants back.
@@felipeakira9568 Oh, right, it can blink any permanent. For some reason I had it stuck in my mind that it had to blink a creature. Thanks!
@@therealax6 Yes it can target the aura not the creature
I was looking forward to this episode! since I bought that deck and with your help I will improve it. thanks! You are great
There's enough lands in this deck to trick you into thinking its a Green deck
But then you look at the card draw options and you're quickly realizing you play a boros deck
@@Deris76 ha
I want a Ultr-Pro ad where you shuffle your own decks on camera so we see the sweet shuffle feel in action.
LOL 🤣
I feel like this deck would have been a great place to reprint Steelshapers Gift. Really disappointed it wasn't included.
I just bought that deck and it is incredibly fast and awesome
Yeah it was a pretty awesome deck.
instead of stonehewer giant, put in "Open the Armory".
For sure. 2 mana sorcery to get an Aura or equipment makes it faster and more flexible. I use it in all my decks that rely on equipment.
@@Balooh Had it in my Taigam Deck that only had 2 equips and 1 aura, still worked.
@@Servbot40 of course if you have 3 targets you really want then a cheap tutor to get 1/3 of great for the deck
i feel stonehewer giant is perfect actually, the deck doesn't have a lot of creatures anyways but open the armory is still great, id want at least 5 kind of tutors.
I was going to comment that too. They missed that one hard, its 2$.
Finally! I am so happy we're getting actually good Boros Equipment cards. I've been playing since Fate Reforged and trying to find a good and fun Boros deck together ever since (It's my absolute favorite guild). If this exact pre-con had come out 2-3 years ago, it would have been bonkers. Sadly, there has been a lot of power creep. Nevertheless, I enjoy this way more than the niche strategies (Think FS&SS, Feather and even Winota) being the color combination's only highlights. They of course should exist too, but these cards all build towards Boros combat strategies being actually viable in multiplayer EDH. Which I think will be good for both Boros Fans like myself, as for the format as a whole. Combat being actually dangerous and relevant could help pull EDH back from the Ramp/Combo exclusive meta we have now. Can't combo if you're dead!
Some other suggestions for aspirant Boros Equipment players:
Akiri, Fearless Voyager (probably still good enough effects to include, even in a more focused Voltron build)
Reyav, Master Smith (cheap uncommon from CMR, no voltron is complete without Double Strike)
Puresteel Paladin (better Sram, with super equipment synergy)
Tome of Legends (good in any commander-combat focused deck, cheap in mana and money cost, get it while you still can)
Heavenly Blademaster (can be a good top-end, would proabably need a more upgraded equipment package though)
Danitha Capashen (alternative beater, makes equipment cheaper)
I feel the deck can be build in a way where Akiri and Wyren (and to a lesser extent Reyav) are fairly interchangeable. Basically just drop the aura subtheme, which I think might be a good idea anyway.
Baller cards (no explanation, their power should be obvious):
Stoneforge Mystic, Enlightened Tutor, Batterskull, Sword of X&Y (take your pick)
Also, replace the boardwipes with ones that actually synergize with a voltron synegy like Single Combat
And look at the Command Zone's video on Akiri. I put in the ZNR lands and Crucible of World on their recommendation, and it feels very smooth.
I really hope they keep the Boros hot streak going in Kaldheim I have good hope, dwarves and more equipment please?
Excellent suggestions!
Word of seizing can grab a planeswalker and ult it. You can also grab a cradle, steal a voltron commnder, blow out a combo or alpha strike, and in very desperate situations, grant haste to a creature you just played.
i stumbled on this channel, so far it is helping me knowing what i bought. i getting back into the game after over a year of not playing after i sold all my cards last janurary.
It's nice that Boros is having a lot of good commanders that are synergistic with each other. Equipments are still a niche deck building restriction, but if you put Wyleth, Akiri, Sram and Reyav together the deck feels very coherent and one single swing gives you so much value.
Also, am I the only one thinking on building Wyleth with an Aura theme?
That's what I went with too. Being able to swing every turn and draw like 6-7 cards is awesome.
the big downside to auras is they can be super vulnerable to removal unless your running Open the Vaults, Replenish or
Retether
I agree with you on the boros thing. I know that most people hate on boros for being narrowly a combat focused color combination. But I actually like that its sticking to its flavor/keeping its identity.
@@chriso4529 You can easily keep it boros and make other decks. Make a commander which gives other creatures myriad. That way you have a change at making a go wide strategy.
@@chriso4529 Yeah, I don't care about Boros being super combat focused, but if that's the case then we need more efficiency.
The thing that bothers me the most is that I can't put Feather in my Winota deck, this trend of commanders in the same vein helps, maybe Akiri isn't top tier but with all this pieces together it becomes better
Just got this deck from my sister! Super excited to get into magic!
I'm glad that I had some of the same thoughts when upgrading this deck on my own (flickerwisp, odric, too many lands)
I think Ardenn from Commander Legends is a great add to this deck. Helps re-equip and swing.
Just replace Wylenn with the partners Rograhh and Ardenn, add collusses hammer, and Grafted Exoskeleton.
Ardenn, Interpid Archaeologist is one that makes sense to add
I feel like the scry lands would be the perfect non basics to put in these cheaper edh precons. They just help smooth out game play.
Can flickerwisp be used move an aura from one creature to another? That is the only thing I could possibly think would be useful if you put an aura on a different creature and wanted to move it to Wyleth.
This seems like a good purchase to me. Not to play of course, but to strip for parts. The instants and equipment might help fill out my Feather the Redeemed and Nahiri decks.
That what I’m doing I’ll let you know how well it works in 2022 now but seems like a good purchase love that it includes a soul ring
Don't forget the Rupture Spire and Transguild Promonade in the two color deck that is low curve 😂😂😂 Their thoughts are same as mine. Wouldn't even play them in a budget 5 color deck
Those are wierd inclusions given we got the good lands from previews commander product reprinted.
They totally could have put Battlefield Forge and Inspiring Vantage in instead......or something. WTF to that.
@@leemiller6977 Yea just the land that was already printed in the set with it would have been fine. Hell I'd be much happier if they were basics so new players don't have to play with such an insulting Mana base. Overall the balance in this deck design is pretty embarrassing. Don't get me wrong for $20 it's not an awful product in terms of contents, but in terms of a deck I wouldn't feel comfortable with telling a friend to sit down and play with this deck even if it's only against other precons.
I would say open the armory and sword of the animist would be very nice upgrades. They certainly give you lots of room for improvement out of the box...
I was always thinking you could go more auras than equipment, and get Sigil of the Empty Throne in the deck for added value. I'd also add All That Glitters to go with the strat and Zirda, the Dawnbreaker to make equipment cost lessened.
You could skew the deck hard into W and add a lifegain/lifelink theme, then add both the Sigil (good call, btw) and Angelic Accord. Angels for days! 👍👍
One of the first cards I got out of a Zendikar Rising booster was a full art Nahiri Heir of the Ancients. Going to be buying this to slide her in
I think the Blazing Sunsteel does go in the "stop hitting yourself deck." It goes infinite with Stuffy Doll/Brash Taunter. Deal damage, then Stuffy Doll can hit something else with its own trigger while hitting itself again with the Sunsteel. 6 mana is still a lot, but 6 mana to win the game? Maybe worth.
Nazahn's Hammer. That one thing you did that no one will ever let you get away from.
What's the price on this? Feels like a reasonable upgrade.
Sword of the Animist should be an auto include since you want to attack and it will get you a land.
Yup
I picked up both decks this weekend and I think this will be the one I build. Although I already have 2 Voltron decks built in Sram and Syr Gwen.
The Enthralling Victor ad was fantastic. Incredibly clever.
great video and great comments too. I really need to upgrade this deck xD
Isnt there a 2 Mana equipment Tutor from Shadows over innistrad? „Open the Armory“ of Something like That.
I put commander plate in and that's pretty awesome with wyleth
but like these decks only cost like 15-20 bucks,. why is the reprint cost being 5x the cost of the product a problem.
Is there a reason that open the armory isn't mentioned? Seems like a perfect fit and cheaper than steelshaper's gift.
Gift of immortality is better except for that when your commander dies and returns all the attached auras would've been destroyed and the equipment would need to be reequipped am I wrong?
you give him Indestructible
It's better if you don't want to keep casting your commander. But giving indestructible keeps your equipment/auras on the target. If you have pure steel and a bunch of equipment then gift is better
Gift is worse in voltron. Indestructibility is better because , on top of what was said, you can wrath to clear the blockers and swing freely.
wizards could have easily put a puresteel paladin alongside sram in the precon
Puresteel is like 4 times the price
Hey I was just thinking they thought Wyleth would go into an akiri deck but I feel like it is the other way since akiri can only draw one card and Wylethcan draw you multiple card
You can use this deck for additional pieces to the Jirina commander deck from earlier this year. Lots of synergy to boost the soldiers that are gonna swing it.
Love your content keep it up!
Open the Armory should have been the FIRST thing you added. With the reprint it's now 44 cents.
Puresteel Paladin is only 4.11 so that definitely needs to go in too.
I finally watched the new Mulan. Cool to see you there.
yeah it was
ROGUE’S GLOVES and MASK OF MEMORY!! Slap those on your deck
Definitely mask of memory. Maybe not rogue's gloves.
and infiltration lens
@@mondananikoukari8928 not a big fan of that one either.
I was SUPER excited about this commander. I don’t love the way they prebuilt it though, my sun forget package is only 10 instants. The way I built it is a little more expensive though, using Hammer of Nazahn, puresteel paladin, Zirda the Dawnwaker and sigardas aid for cheating equip costs, then Heavenly Baldemaster as a potential backup plan for when Wyleth has been killed four times and is not longer castable
Blazing Sunsteel's equip cost makes a lot more sense once you realize it goes infinite with Brash Taunter... like the Godo + Helm combo, it can't be cheap in terms of mana.
Yeah god forbid boros do something
Theme-wise though, Blazing Sunsteel is the weapon on Wyleth's hand in the artwork. So, making it a little difficult for him to equip without the enablers just feels uninspired. It should've had something like Nazahn and his hammer.
I could be wrong, but I think flickerwisp was in there to shift around an aura from one creature to another if needed. Not a great add, but I think by that was the thought process.
Well, I was looking for a low level commander deck, this way I can have multiple decks of varying powers for different playgroups.
Hey guys, huge fan of the show! It's clear you guys aren't feeling the deck and perhaps that was what was making the review seem laborious. I think if the deck doesn't inspire you guys, you should try and take it in a direction that's completely different than what the pre-con suggests. Maybe you make a deck with the wackiest equipment out there, or do warrior tribal?! Just a suggestion!
Can anyone tell me how the card sleeves work? I backed the kickstarter early, but it never gave me a location for it to ship. Is that supposed to happen later or did I mess something up?
I think the reprint value is low because they're not reprints that everyone is after, like anything green. But for boros/equipment there's good stuff here that just happens to be cheaper than whats more popular.
If reprints are going to drop prices anyway, I like having more strategies covered by that effect.
Edit: now that I think about it, Puresteel Paladin would have been fine in here but its just missing for no reason. Ignore me
so true...
also if you want smothering tithe just buy the orzhov recon deck for one of the revnica set
So when reprints come out if card is not wanted anymore and if a price was a little high the new price of carss stays down hince forth?
Was 2nd in my 1st commander game using that deck.
Board the Weatherlight may only search the top five but with so many equipment you're bound to find something
Can also grab one of the legendary creatures.
do you guys will do the same video for the simic preconstructed?
I think you all should play these upgraded pre-cons on Game Knights. Maybe have an episode where you play with the last 4 decks you have upgraded?
They could base it off EDHRec average decks or something as a baseline. Or attach a value cap to it.
Flickerwisp is in the deck to "reequip" auras to other creatures when they come back to the field. I guess it's there to be able to reattach auras to Wyleth if you've played them on something else first, but with so few targets to use this effect it is indeed a head scratcher. You can also flick your opponents stuff, but you wouldn't really run that card just for that. Tho, I'm happy they are keeping it's price low with reprints.
Going to give the deck a shot after I adjust it. Removing 4 lands to start and putting in Nahiri, heir to the ancients. 11 creatures is just to little so adding her for some free blockers. Also maybe adding Rings of Brighthearth
Did you notice, Blazing Sunsteel is the sword that Wyleth is holding,on his card?
That's really cool, doubt they noticed though, they were busy adding crappy low cost equipment.
@@faerie7dragon it's the key card!
Nice usefull tutorial :)
I don't know why, but this deck looks less cheap when you just read it. It has quite a handful of best equipment things
Well there is also the white uncommon legendary which lets u attach auras and equipments for free at the beginning of combat, he would fit!
What are your thoughts on the totem armor enchantments: hyena umbra and eland umbra? They are pretty cheap cards (both is price and mana cost) and would give Wyleth a bit of protection.
I think flickerwisp was put in to move auras around. Granted, it's completely outclassed by the new white partner, but it targets any permanent, so that seems the most likely reason.
holy crap, excellent commercials fellas! Great work
Question. Would you be able to output infinite damage if you had Blazing Sunsteel on an indestructible Boros Reckoner? They both say if damage is dealt to this/equipped creature deal that much damage to any target. That means two triggers right? Have one trigger hit whatever and one hit Boros Reckoner again and repeat. Or am I missing some important text?
I'm surprised you did not include Mask of Memory in your list. While you do have to land damager to your opponent, draw 3 discard 1 is pretty good.
That Blazing Sunsteel COULD possibly have a place in my Nin, the Pain Artist deck. That equip cost is still nuts though. It'd be sweet to have it on Brash Taunter etc and just nail it with Nin's ability to draw a lot of cards and deal that much damage to that target twice.
4:05
If split second is on the stack, nothing that uses the stack can go onto the stack until it resolves. So no sacrifice in response but you can morph in response!
I found a creature this deck needs. Champion of the flame, 1/1 trample for 1 and a red, he gets a +2/2 for each aura and equipment attached to it.
Can't wait for the Reap the Tides deck.
Would tenza, godos maul and puresteel Paladin be good in the deck
Puresteel paladin definitely would be. Tenza maybe not as much.
@@jacobjensen7704 true
Find a spot for reconnaissance. It’s perfect for the commander
Single combat is a pretty good wipe for voltron decks
Flickerwisp could be there to flicker auras and move them around?
(37:40) You can also put in Stonehewer Giant, he's only $6.99. 😎👍
I just thought of it now but you could sing "It's ain't a scene it's an arms race" of Fall Out Boy and now I'm sad you didn't
Still a great job you provided us, big thanks to you guys
song kinda looses it flow without the "GODDAMN" lyric in there tho...
There is a bunch of other sorceries that cost 2 mana that search for equipment. Open the armory is an example and it finds auras too
But the Giant cheats cast AND equip costs, provides a body to be equiped and is reusable.
I hate to say it but I would've loved to have seen a 50 dollar budget options and really give the deck some more bang for it's buck
I just played this earlier today and Flickerwisp was actually useful. My opponent had the new simic deck, so his creatures were three times the size of mine and Flickerwisp was my only flyer. Also, it allowed me to flicker Oreskos Explorer twice for extra ramp.
I expect to break this one down and file it. If I were upgrading, based on how that first game went, the first thing I'd add would be Leonin Abunas.
oreskos explorer isn't ramp. it just searches in your hand. but for 4 mana and the restriction that you have to be behind for it to do anything, it should put at least one on the field
Hello! could do an episode where thanks to your knowledge can you see the maximum potential of these decks? something like the ultimate version of a precon deck. I comment on this because there are many people (myself included) who are new to the format buy these products but do not know how to improve them. Thank you very much for your content watching one you learn a lot xD
I was hoping the other set review vids would be up before these
Bludgeon brawl is great if you are playing smothering tithe, or play a lot of mana rocks.
Puresteel paladin is an auto include, get it while it is cheap after the double masters reprint
I'd like something like balan or heavenly blade master as a backup in case the commander tax gets too high
Flickerwisp is in the deck so that you can flicker an aura to move it between creatures
35:00 something i'd like to point out to people about this card is it'll trigger any creature with effects like Infect, Deathtouch, and Lifelink
Can i take control of an enemy creature and then use sword to plowshares to gain life?
me and my brother say keep blazing sunsteel the same but it costs 1 and a hybrid boros have either the hammer of nezahn effect to auto equip equipment or have an effect when it deals combat damage to an opponent you gain mana of one color equiped creature’s color identity equal to the damage.
flickerwisp has some synergy with dualcaster mage, kor cartographer, Oreskos Explorer, unqestioned Authority, faith unbroken or Ironclad slayer where you could decide what you need at that time but it is not the deck that you will think about putting it.
i would recommend three cards: balan, whispersilk cloak and grafted exoskeletton. everything is good on its own and these three together one-shot an opponent
I kinda wanna put Kemba Kha Regent and the other "when this creature is equipped get a thing" leonin cards. That and some of the jankier red stuff like deretti, faithless looting and other red draw might make this deck go smoother. I also wanna put open the armory as an additional tutor... all in all despite its drawbacks I think im gonna try this deck out
Jimmy - you need to use some of that sweet Mulan money to get every card that came out this year. As a fellow Disney cast member I am so happy for you, finally saw Mulan on + last night and I did the Decaprio meme point at you.
Bought this commander deck for £10 on sale, I'm determined to make this work.
I think you guys missed Ardenn, Intrpid Archeaoligist. It solves a LOT of the problems.
I mean if u sticking with the whole instants thing from sunforger u could play feather in the deck
0:25 al yancovic: allow me to introduce myself.
Possible synergy with Blazing Sunsteel, Inquisitor's Flail. Equipped creature does double damage but takes double damage
Oh snap