Jim Cornette Reviews Walter vs. Tyler Bate
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2019
- From Episode 299 of The Jim Cornette Experience!
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Knew Jim would love this match. Everyone says Jim hates new smaller guys. But he’s always been a fan of guys like punk, Bryan, Adam Cole and now Bate. Jim’s simply a fan of truly great wrestling.
Lost in all the "Jim Cornette" hates stuff is that Cornette wants it to come off as real. He doesn't give a shit how big or small you are. Make him believe you are in a fight and not a dance routine. Not a lot to ask of a professional wrestler. It is a lot to as of a gymnast.
Well he gave Walter v Devlin a shout-out so he had to love this one.
kingcam0775 whenever you watch it reply to me or the original commenter 🙏🏽 the match is great I need to watch again soon it was that good lmao
Punk and great wrestling don't belong together lol
cheekclappa69 hold this L, punk was one of the best on earth before wwe and was great in wwe, remember before NXT he had the last 5 star match (even though Meltzer is just opinion based) with Cena and we all know punk contributes more wrestling to the match then cena
Jim is great at burying people or matches, but he’s just as good legitimately putting people over. His love of the game is intoxicating.
I kinda hate how vitriolic Jim gets when he shits on matches nowadays, but I love hearing him praise matches because he points out so many positives that are accentuated by his deep knowledge of wrestling. Hearing him break down what went right is a lot more fun to me than him just shitting all over stuff. It's like when he first reviewed The Revival's matches in NXT with American Alpha and such. His legit joy is infectious. I wish he could find more wrestling he enjoyed talking about. A shame he doesn't seem to be able to get into New Japan, because so much of the recent G1 would be great to hear Corny react to. How could he not love Tomohiro Ishii?!
He got MJF over to me and I hadn't really been watching him much.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 I love hearing him gush about MJF's heelery. It's a shame that it's his negativity that gets more attention. I keep saying I wish Cornette had a show on the Network where he got to just do deepdives through the WWE vault and do retrospectives about angles and matches he loved from the past
True. When he hates something he despises it. And when he likes something he LOVES it
He buries thing that have already buried themselves.
Jim Cornette knows great wrestling. The end.
@Carlos Arevalo if you dont like Cornette why you watching videos from him? 😂
@@MeNoSpeakJibberish some fuckheads are just looking to complain?
thats why smoky mountain is still around right?
Lmao
@@ohadi1177 what relevance does that have? no one brought up tony khan, i was simply stating how smoky mountain wrestling was dead because cornette cant book
If Jim Cornette puts a match over in this day and age, it's worth checking out.
It most certainly fucking was.
Chillhop Wrestlin Trust me, if you haven’t seen Walter vs. Tyler Bate, it’s more than worth the $10 for the network
Facts 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
I just watched the match. My God! Beautiful. I enjoyed every second of the match : the wrestlers, the fans, the commentators. It that, isn't a 5 stars match, it should be a crime. It brought me back the love that I once had for this business. ❤️
Love how Jimmy respects the English style wrestling
"They were chanting Walter is a wanker, which was great" 😂
Walter would be a nice surprise in the next upcoming Royal Rumble
MeNoSpeakJibberish I’d pop for sure
Walter vs Brock at mania Walter goes over?
Yeah but someone would have to eliminate him which I dont want
@@MorbidFayde True but it should only be a powerhouse like Strowman. As long as Walter can look dominant for a good amount of time. Hes not been around long so he wont be winning anyway. Just thought itd be a good way to get him some major exposure
MeNoSpeakJibberish I agree, but when the time comes I think Walter is the guy to do it
And because Jim didnt shit all over the match, no one will pay attention
^ This.
Exactly. And those people need to hear it the most.
Even Cornette acknowledges this. No one gives a shit if he loves everything.
They love the “ cranky old man “ gimmick that just rants at everyone & everything. The marks reply simply with “old man yells at the clouds.”
@@JusCuz410 and its like on the internet these days, you ain't allowed to like stuff
I assumed Cornette would love Walter. He's a perfect mix of new school and old school wrestling IMHO.
You’re right. He’s awesome.
He’s the closest thing WWE has ever had to Andre the Giant.
@@md-uv8en Except of course back when they actually had Andre the Giant.
Walter is definitely a Stan Hansen but with more mystique & charisma. His match with Pete Dunne was one of the best that WWE has put on (save for any Gargano @ Takeover match)
Funny thing about that match was I watched that show live after working a double shift at work & fell asleep during the Walter-Pete Dunne match (Actually the match I most looked forward to that night). Although I watched the whole ppv twice, I still find myself re-watching that Walter-Pete Dunne match at least once a month.
I really really like the singing from the british crowd. Feels like being in a football stadium
czcams.com/video/xBtGFaa0idY/video.html
That crowd is fucking insane.
*soccer
Michael Johnson cmon bro you know better than that smh
Jim not being from the UK, wouldn’t expect him to understand how significant it was that the fans sang “Please Don’t Take Me Home”
It’s a nice mixture of fans being into the show without putting themselves over. Like at an American sporting event no one is chanting “this is awesome” or “holy shit” or whatever
But this is actually sport tradition in the UK
Ebbs and flows and peaks and valleys... Jim’s perfect description of a great wrestling match.
I paused after the first 15 seconds and went on the network and watched it. Holy fucking shit what a god damn match. I've admittedly not seen too much NXT let alone NXT UK. This match immediately broke my top 10 of all time. Bravo to both of them. I haven't clapped at a match like this in ages.
Just one thing that I'll disagree with Corny here, I love that the U.K. crowd sings like it's a fucking football game. They're into it and for good reason. For the whole damn match, it felt real and that kayfabe was alive.
Something I think was underrated in this match was how good Nigel was on commentary.
Nigel is a very good commentator. And he has that unique voice too, it makes him even more special
@@obersveyourmind how is his voice unique?
@@rockmusicfan9278 how ISN'T his voice unique? Maybe because he doesn't sound like anybody else in WWE. That's what unique means.
@@ChristopherJames1993 because he is english? Also especially now barrett
Walter makes me want WWE to Introduce a hoss division. Throw guys like Walter, Cesaro, Samoa Joe, And Big E In there And have them throw each other around and kick the shit out of each other every week on Raw.
they were almost close to it - remember when they had big F4W match between Lesnar, Braun, Joe and Roman? Honest to God, i thought that would be the start of their WWE Title picture domination for years, they were levels ahead of the rest around that Summerslam.
The Dan Blocker Memorial Tournament
Watching old WWF, we need more guys like Earthquake & Samoa Joe.
Just big fat guys who squash the heroes.
Lmfaoooo I love it
@@Gravydog316 I'm still salty that the Kliq sabotaged the pushes of both Vader and Bam Bam Bigelow. Two fantastic big men who had it all to be top guys
This was flat-out one of the best wrestling matches I have ever seen!
@ST- -MD - I've seen that. It absolutely blew me away, especially with Jim Ross's commentary. I'll probably have to re-watch it now to decide which I like more.
@@yadonegoofed1427 and JR went from that to silly gymnastics meets and fetishes every Wednesday nights. Sad.
If Cornette approves of your match, you know you’ve done well.
This was one of the greatest matches I've ever seen. Walter is one of the greatest wrestlers I've ever seen.
Bate vs Dunne 1&2 are two off the best matches in the past decade in my opinion.
@Millennial Smark damn straight. This one has also got itself in discussion.
But but but! I believe everything I read online and Jim Cornette “only likes boring matches with ten-minute headlocks”.
Cornette goes point by point detailing and explaining why this match is great and the other shit sucks, people who speak solely from their emotions just calling Cornette a hater are children who don't want to accept logic that opposes their fanboy-ness.
Can't honestly call someone a hater when they give detailed points.
this is from a while back, but they were singing 'please don't take me home' which is typically kept for when something is absolutely amazing and has them riveted to their seats.
Jim shits on modern wrestling so much, it becomes noteworthy when he absolutely loves a match. Getting that stamp of approval from such a smart and tough critic just makes me even happier for Bate and Walter and vicariously proud of what they achieved.
No one, right now, is as good as WALTER.
Okada.
I want to see Walter vs Minoru Suzuki. That would be absolutely brutal
Attended the event live and it was incredible. Walter vs Tyler Bate was the best match that weekend. Easily a MOTY contender.
lol I saw Bucks vs Lucha bros live. It was the best match that weekend and the greatest ladder match of all time.
Disappointed with the Kassius Scala match?
I had never seen these two wrestle so I went in cold not knowing what kind of match to expect. I was surprised to see a modern version of an old school style of match. This could've been a Broadway match easily, and both guys would've came out strong in my opinion.
Glad Jim liked it.
I have never wished more that WWE had time limits
WALTER would do great in a Broadway
The face tries his gosh darnedest, but he just can’t chop down the tree in the time allotted. However, the face never gave up
He never said die
And he never got pinned.
Next show
Push the time limit up.
This is my favorite match in a looong time.
Me too
This Match blew Away all of All out
Facts
Pretty much. There were a few matches I liked at All Out but they got a lot of pacing and technical shit to work out as it bogged down the PPV.
If I had to rewatch that or UK takeover, id do the latter
I enjoyed both. Don’t you guys get tired of tribalism? I understand if AEW isn’t your thing but don’t we get enough tribalism from politics? Both were immensely entertaining. At least for me. I get if AEW isn’t your cup of tea. I’ve been watching wrestling since the mid-80s. I’m just glad that there are choices now. WWE Raw and Smackdown have been rather dull for the past 5 years. ROH is hit and miss. Impact...nvm. NJPW is enjoyable to some level. But NXT has typically put on good stuff consistently.
I love Corny, I don’t always agree with him, but I do love the guy’s commentary. He’s a great heel.
All Mighty it didn’t blow the whole show away lmao AEW is doing good for a BRAND NEW PROMOTION, it just gets put on a high ass pedestal and hardcore fans accept it but fans of old school might not. What I like about AEW is the different styles of wrestling throughout the show even though some are bad.
keep thinkin that lol
Walter vs Bate deserves a 6 Star rating honestly.
I love it. I love it. I LOVE IT!
Couldn't wait to hear Jim react to it.
Match of the year. Love Walter. Love Bates.
I knew Jim wouldn't hate this match, because how could ANYONE hate this match? First Walter match I ever saw, first Bate match I ever saw, and both impressed me greatly
That Burning hammer Tyler Bate did to Walter would make Kobashi proud 👌
Umm abt dat 😕
Actually, WALTER did wrestle Kenta Kobashi once eleven years ago in a TT-Match in Germany.
Kenta Kobashi and Go Shiozaki vs Bad Bones and Big Van Walter [NOAH vs. wXw Challenge]
I though he was Big daddy Walter
@@dil09ful He had about 6 different names over the past 14 years. Big Daddy Walter was one of them. This one too: Gha-cha-ping at Zero 1
@@meatsauce3751CAP!
As someone who was there this was amazing to watch live
That match was fuckin awesome. Glad I got to see it live.
Lucky! That match was fucking perfect.
Best match I’ve seen in years 🙏🏾💯
Jim is anticipated every Monday and Thursday. Love this stuff!!
Just shows when wrestling is actually detailed and thought is put into it it’s brilliant!
Great Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
I was there. It was fantastic. Story telling at its finest.
It’s such a damn good match... my favorite match of the entire year
I listened to this specifically to hear you talk about how good of a match it was
It was beautiful and magical
had a feeling this match would get a rave review. easily the best match i've seen this year. WALTER is an absolute brute and Bate is brilliant.
and sadly the stapler guy and 5 table spots in a hardcore match is gonna have more watchers
I wanted to like AEW but despite claiming they were going to treat wrestling like a sport, it's been all high spot flippy sh*t with no psychology, outside of the Cody/Dustin match. This match was excellent outside of that one top rope spot Jim mentioned.
Jason D
Most of what Cody has done so far has been excellent. The Young Bucks match was the worst... surprise.
Vs. Darby Allen was a great way to do a draw
Vs Dustin was obviously emotionally investing and great.
Vs Tye Dillinger was really well done, Tully’s participation in be match was well done.
Vs Nick Aldis at all in was a great moment... the story of Cody going after his The NWA title like dusty in an old school match on a card he was promotjng just like dusty used to do.
So far Cody has the best overall body of work in AEW’s history.
I haven't checked it out yet because I feared it would be all small high-flyers that kick a lot. Those are usually the guys that are crying about being put over. They need to learn to get themselves over.
They claimed they would focus on the future and not be like WWE, yet their first champion is a washed up ex-WWE Wrestler from the Attitude Era who cared so little for the belt he fucking lost it like it was a pair of underwear.
Makes me happy knowing cornette liked this one too, it was really fantastic. UKs got some good shit going on still
Walter’s chops will hopefully awake God
from his slumber.
May be the best match in a few years
Top 15 in the past decade?
Walter is great and Tyler is awesome, this match was awesome. Great workers
WALTER vs Brock would b cool imo
@Millennial Smark A situation where WALTER with Paul as the heels and Brock as a badass face would be an awesome dynamic.
You can't get any more classic than the David vs Goliath matchup. It's old and predictable but with the right two people can work wonders.
MAGNIFIQUE!
To Cornette’s point about the fans not being able to sing, I remember when I went to a Smackdown taping in Minneapolis. After the show, they had a Mixed Match Challenge March that had Finn Bálor & Bayley vs. Alicia Fox vs. Jinder Mahal. A guy sitting next to me tried to get that “Heeeeyyy hey BayleyI” song that the British fans do, but it just didn’t catch on.
Walter is the man PERIOD
Jim is a very tough guy to please, but it is great what he likes turns out to be the best stuff.
As for Walter vs Bates, it showed why Walter and Imperium as a whole is my 2nd favorite stable (Undisputed Era is 1st).
Walter looks like he’s auditioning for Andre 3000’s music video Hey Ya with the fingers. Shake it like a Polaroid picture. 🤣🤣🤣
The beginning really describes best why I agree with Jim when it comes to the Young Bucks. Their matches are one speed, that's not how typical wrestling psychology works. Now, I do love the Bucks, but their last few matches, are all full speed, they had much better matches with The Briscoes, Addiction, Hardys, the matches had more than 1 pace.
Tyler Bate is awesome, and strong as heck!
I like it when you hit positive points like this, Jim. Finding the sparkling gems of modern wrestling after digging through the septic tanks of WWE and AEW gives us a bit of hope.
This match should be required viewing at the WWEPC; A moderization of the classic Big/Little match. Both Tyler and Walter work awesome
"JiM hAtEs NeW sTuFf" ... Lol, no he hates goofy stuff, and this review right here will be another one the marks overlook.
Jim has always said that there's no such thing as old and new wrestling, there's good and bad wrestling. The British guys and European wrestlers in general are more like throwback wrestlers.
Both guys should be on the main roster and be booked correctly. I hope we see either guy vs lesnar someday
Honestly i want a match between Cesaro and Walter where at the end Imperium jumps Cesaro and Kassius Ohno comes for the save and then they start a program.
Match of the decade
Not surprised he loved that match, Walter and Tyler are just that great
Cornette simply loves Pro Wrestling and he tells it like it is. AEW likes to claim they are Pro Wrestling but you do not see matches like what we saw with Walter vs Bate in AEW. AEW lacks psychology and replaces it with Spots fests and near falls and doing shit for no reason.
You're right.... Even after two years they're doing the same for 85 percentage of matches
@@sportsunseen930 its worse now
The only thing I love more than Jim ranting on things is when Jim raves about something modern
it was so good best match of the weekend by far
Knew Jim would enjoy this.
3:50 hahahaha just this one comment had me rolling.
Tyler Bate reminds me of a young Bob Backlund. Now, I’m a youngin, born in 98, so I haven’t watched a lot of 70s wrestling, but I have watched some Backlund stuff. They are both smaller guys with the heart of a lion and the strength of an ox. Who can take to the big guys in an underdog role. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong about this
On this one he's right. The fact is matches like this you don't actually see much in the rest of WWE, not in the main roster nor in "Normal" NXT. Gargano vs Cole, to make an example, are 200 miles per hour matches as much as AEW matches are. AEW needs to do things like this, and they went pretty close with that Cody/Dustin match. Selling the damage done, the fatigue, injured body part and having the difference in the athletic condition of the two wrestlers involved or their size should be key....I know for a fact Kenny can do things like that....I think of his second match with Okada which is probably still the best of the bunch just for the way they sold being tired in the last 15 minutes of that 60 minutes draw, with them spending a lot of time down on the ground, doing moves with much less impact, avoiding moves accidently by collapsing....little things like that that give you that sense of watching more of a simulated real fight than a coreographed performance is what make people get more invested in a match. This wrestling still works today, the various companies just need to bring it back, other things Cornette bitches about can't and shouldn't be change, but this style of in-ring wrestling works and everybody should learn something from this NXT UK masterpiece. Also, Tyler Bate is a one very underrated pro-wrestler.
Does jim know anything about walters faction imperium? He would love it
I knew he would like the match. It was a great match
Corny trained a whole generation of hall of famers/ world champions/ superstars
Fucking epic, top 10 matches of all time, insanely good and gritty
I literally chucked my fist in the air when Jim said he likes it. Corny has the highest prestige acceptance at this point in the wrestling world. I'm a Meltzer fan, but even I can admit he can go a bit off the deep end now or days with these ratings
Meltzer is a smark, Cornette is legit because he actually been in the business. This guy had Batist,Cena,Lesnar and Orton at OVW..
Meltzer is a wanker. He secretly works for NJPW and AEW
Seeing that the bar is abysmally low, Corny's bar would seem very high.
@@redexx13 oh really so when constantly praises NXT.....hes a smark??
Hes given NXT 4 five star matches this year but yeah he hates wwe.
🙄
@Austin Danger Powers people dont get that.
The people who hate meltzer are mostly wwe supermarks who cant stand who think he hates everything wwe even though he rates wwe higher than anyone else on average .
They toom that stupid new Japan meme literally.
HAHAHAHAHHAHA WALTER LOOKS LIKE A GIANT ANGRY BABY!!!
Walter is next big thing
9:09 lmao
Didnt watch royal quest cause njpw isnt my bag, but this match was the best match of the weekend. Quite possibly, match if the year it was that damn good.
From what I’ve heard the royal quest show wasn’t the greatest. Probably the least interesting show that entire weekend but I’d say Okada and Suzuki is a match you should definitely see if you get the chance
@@wallyrosario654 well someone lied to you.
Royal quest was better than both NXT takeover Cardiff and all out. I watched all three.
Royal quest wss the best show and imo had the best match of the weekend.
Okada vs Suzuki was better than Walter vs Tyler bate. I loved both matches but Okada vs Suzuki was better.
I actually preferred Pete dunne vs Walter over this
Walter vs Tyler bate.....5 stars no question
Okada vs Suzuki 5 .5 stars
Walter vs Pete dunne...6.5 stars
@@madddoggnogood1491 Okada vs Suzuki was great. It's amazing how Okada can have great matches with everyone.
Too fucking bad Walter is hell-bent on staying in UK rather than relocating in the US.
☠️
Best match seen that day, by far.
Can anyone tell me where I can see this match? It sounds great. I’ve looked on the network and I don’t see it there.
NXT UK Takeover Cardiff
I don’t know what match I liked better dunne vs Walter or Bate vs Walter both are so great
Think Jim would love Walter Vs Devlin. Either one.
Damn, I’m not used to him giving praise. But it’s nice all the same.
This match has proved Jim cornettes point . This how you work a match. The young bucks just flip me to sleep now. I liked the novelty at first tbh. I’m actually going off Kenny too. NJPW made him a star and now he looks a shell of his former self
New Japan has great Japanese talent that know how to sell and understand psychology. The likes of Ishii, Shibata, Shingo Takagi, Tanahashi, Okada, all of these guys are light years ahead of Omega for me.
Time2LevelUp njpw made Kenny and without them he’s just meh
@@wesdryden2086 Yes. NJPW matches go long, but they know how to pace it. It usually starts slowly and ends with a hot stretch. Kenny matches are paced awfully, with move after move.
Yahya Zakaria Kenny is a complete douche without njpw. Last year my two favorite wrestlers were Kenny and Pentagon. Now MJF , Cody and SANADA
jim is gonna get those hands
I love Walter, and i love the concept behind his stable - 4 German-talking guys taking over the UK and beating people up, classic evil foreigners. And Austrian is the leader XD, amazing on so many levels, put that shit on main programming, Walter could easily be the WWE Champion, the image speaks for itself. Kinda like WW2, except this time "Deutscher Sprechers" will invade the US.
Ringkampf-> imperium
@@JonMDVisual correct, they were killing it in wXw and other English promotions
Walter wants to stay in Europe. Shorter distances to fly back home etc
Walter is on of the best Big Man of all Time. He is so real.
Jim gives credits when he thinks it's due. A well paced match is better than fast paced athleticism. I got nothing from Pac & Omega, yes they are fit athletes who can do a spot. This was different.
Omega doesn't scare me, Walter...
No way I'm even arm wrestling him. Tyler is small but you know he can whup someone up
R Johns that’s the point people don’t get
People go off on cornette because hes just looking to slag off AEW and slags havoc allin and janela because they are small and 5’7 yet that isn’t his point!!
Bate and Dunne are 5’7 yet they actually look like they could kick your ass or kick someone’s ass who was bigger!!
Janela havoc and allin look like a bunch of skinny college kids doing dumb shit and couldnt kick a can down the street let alone win a fight!!
Bate looks like the kind of guy to have a year-long barfight winning streak.
fc no compare him to janela havoc or allin.... and people
Wonder why he shits all over them
@@fcnth the guy many people try but soon regret it
that was pretty much one of the only matches i didnt get off the chair for. it was like you said a great big vs little man. walter is like a classic throwback wrestler. he does know his shit, he was or is still the trailer at wxw in germany. wwe knew what they had when going after him as it wa said walter turned down a lot of offers to remain in the uk area and to stay at or with wxw. true or not idk. but i enjoyed the nxt uk event more then most aspects of the aew ppv. not a lot of idiocy compared to the other. you can tell who or how they work with the nxt uk talen in the matches you see.maybe its a lot of johnny saint influence or other uk vets.
And then the chops and I mean what the fuck? Lol.
9:20
I mean
Neyland can sing rocky top alright
Has Jim seen any of Lars Sullivan’s stuff? Because I’ve said the same about him being able to be a good heel in any promotion in any era. & ironically I’ve recently said that about Walter
This comment has not aged well at all.
I fucking love Tyler Bate, the man is going to be a monster star, Walter is the best heel going
The British chanting style is using common sentences and riffs that you would hear at football (soccer) games.
I assumed it was sort of a long tradition of pub songs
Tunes that have just adapted themselves into the cultural psyche.
If Tyler Bate was Batman, Alfred would call him "Master Bate".
Jim liked a modern wrestling match (modern in time, not in style) that went 30+ minutes
Well
I think we found what caused 2020
Then it's not really a modern match is it? It's a throwback match.
I wonder what he thought of UK Champion Pete Dunne Defeated Joe Coffey.
Walter Vs. Marko Stunt > Young Bucks Vs. Anyone
UK crowd in Cardiff were brilliant fair play. And Bate vs Walter was wresting storytelling at it's best which aew needs to learn from imo. Yet to see a top storytelling match in aew since cody vs Dustin, hopefully they improve as time goes on.
This match was beautiful but imo will vs shingo is still the match of the year
I disagree. Walter vs Pete dunne is mine.
Shingo vs ospreay is 2 on my list.
Imo 2019 match of the year
1. Walter vs Pete dunne
2. Shingo vs ospreay
3. Cole vs Gargano II
4. Moxley vs ishii
5. Ospreay vs Okada
Agreed 100%.
@@madddoggnogood1491 me personally I gotta go with will vs shingo as number one but I respect your list
@Oong The Last Airbender of course not this a review about walter and bates but I bet my life on it I'm not the only who feels this way ijs
@Oong The Last Airbender
I've seen a lot