Smart Trainer SRAM XD/XDR Freehub Conversion: Tacx NEO, NEO2, NEO2T
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- This video goes through switching a Tacx NEO 2T Direct Drive Smart Trainer over to XDR driver/freehub and cassette installation for the SRAM Force AXS 12 Speed bike I have on loan.
Note 1: With XDR the R is for ROAD (Red/Force). An XDR driver can be made XD compatible with a 1.85mm spacer for MTB/etc.
Note 2: If you're running a SRAM Eagle groupset with a long cage derailleur, you do have the option of using a NX or SX splined 11-50 cassette without needing the XDR driver. By removing the 10 cog there's no need for the smaller diameter XD/XDR driver and those are compatible with Shimano HyperGlide freehubs.
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SRAM Eagle Cassettes on Amazon US (NX and SX are 11-50 HG): amzn.to/2QOkLzV
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Garmin and SRAM should be paying you for this content. Exceptional.
Wonder what I would do without Shane. Everytime I buy a new thing in the world of cycling and dont know how to use/install it, I come straight here!!! Always the answer. Thank you!!
same here lol
I always look forward to your content, but especially now that I’m in lockdown. Thanks and keep safe all.
Love your work and your Reviews
Thank you. For my Trek Madone SLR disc brake, I had to put a spacer after installing the XDR hub then put the drive side cap. This will create more space between the frame and cassette. On the non drive side I had to put 1mm spacer to have more space for disc brake caliper.
So glad I found this video - so incredibly helpful. THANK YOU, Shane.
Thank you so much for this very clear explanation and demo!
Perfectly timed video! Thank you. I'm currently building a 12 speed system and I was wondering if it would go on my Neo.
Did you manage?
Thank you so much for creating this video. I appreciate it🙏🏽 I just set up my new 2021 Trek Emonda (12 speed) and it is riding awesome on the neo 2t
Thanks for all explanation, really helpful video, right on the spot and many thanks to all help and to the road cycling community
Super helpful. About to convert my Saris H3 to XD-R and was stressing out. Thank you!
Did you have enough room to run a 12spd cassette? I was told from Saris that it would run into the plastic. I'm freaking out rn about how to set it up. Can you share your set up?
@@kimberly3816 I had no issues with it. Worked a charm. Moved on to a Kickr bike.
@@MichaelRachal thanks for the response
I'm doing it myself right now. Steps are clear, yet its a quintillion times harder than it looks.
I had some problems with my flux s and received a replacement unit. The new one came with native thru axle support just like the neo featured. That was quite a surprise.
Worked like a charm ❤
Had to source the body and xdr casette since switching from 11spd Shimano 105 to 12spd sram force.
Oh yeah, and an adapter for 70 bucks 😅. Why did I switch again? 😂
Hi Shane, any thoughts on why I may be getting cassette oscillation? I have a SRAM eTap FORCE AXS cassette (10-36 12spd) which has been working just fine on a Kickr Core and wanted to move it over to my Neo 2T. I have tried two different SRAM Hubs (T2875.76) and both oscillate ONLY when using the SRAM cassette. I know the cassette is true as (and basically new). Using a Shimano Ultegra cassette and hub leads to no issues on the NEO. Additionally, I seem to be unable to get into biggie smalls when using the required spacers on the NEO. Bike is a BMC Teammachine SLR02 Disc One for reference.
Hi Shane. Love your channel and great info. Here is a scenario set-up that doesn't work on my Neo 2T:
Neo2T is T2875.60 (no idea if that is native Thru Axle or not, but I only use Thru Axle bikes)
I swapped the Cassette body that came with the trainer to the Tacx SRAM XD-R Body (>Q4 2019, T2875.76).
My Canyon Grail is using a SRAM X01 Eagle AXS 12 speed derailleur.
The Cassette is a SRAM XG-1275 10-50 12 Speed.
As instructed, for this setup I used the XD spacer.
ISSUE: Gears are not shifting correctly with the exception of lowest 3 to 4 gears.
In contrast, my SRAM Red etap 12 speed for Canyon Ultimate is working perfectly using XDR setup (no spacer and 10-28 cassette).
Hi Dirk, I have the same issue with SRAM XX1 Eagle AXS 12s and XG-1275 Cassette. Did you solve the problem? Thanks
Shane, u got a tip to turn resistance completely off on the Neo2T to be able to adjust shifting? I have not yet found a way and resistance comes on right away as I try to turn the pedals by hand. Makes rear shifter alignment really difficult.
Use the Tacx Training app and start a Slope workout setting it to a negative gradient. Once you turn the pedals the Neo will continue to spin.
Thanks a lot! :)
@shane is it normal to have some space at the top of the body when you slide the cassette onto the body? The spline doesn’t allow for the cassette to move all the way up and stops it. I’ve rotated it all the way around but the “lock ring” is what’s keeping it from being flush. 1:55 mark on the video shows the same thing I’m asking about. Can you advise?
Hi Shane! What cassette is this you have on the trainer? I need to buy a cassette and need a 12 speed that is compatible with my SRAM XX1 Eagle AXS.
I have the XD-R FreeHub already.
(The SRAM XG-1295 Eagle, 12-speed, 10-50t is too wide, my chain hours the trainer in some gears. Not cool.) Thank you!
Hi Shane very helpful wish I had watched first before ordering freehub from Wiggle they only had one listing so made assumption it would be okay on first gen Neo, i dont have thru axle, will I need the pre2019 xdr hub for my Neo one, before attempting to fit will send back thanks in advance, great stuff like other comments Garmin should be paying you for the tech support
I have the elite suito and swapped over the freehub easy enough. Slotted the cassette in and there’s nothing that keeps the cassette from just sliding off. At a loss.
Hello Sir, I ordered it but not compatible with my flucx S ? What I should do ?
Thanks for this. So 12 speed SRAM Eagle will work with the SRAM XD-R to XD conversion?
Eagle is XD iirc, so yes.
Gracias por el video, acabo de instalar el cassette sram 10-37T 12 SPD XDR y en el piñón grande (33) roza el desviador en el rodillo, que solución puede tener. Gracias de antemano
Hi Shane, which bike is that? I have a 2019 Giant TCR Advanced Pro 0 Disc equipped with SRAM AXS Force groupset (which seems similar to the bike in the video), but the bike won't fit on the trainer (the caliper is in contact with the trainer). Thanks!
That's the same bike.... or the 2020 model. It was a loaner from the local Giant store.
@@gplama oh right, and did you add a specific spacer somewhere? I am a bit lost I have to admit, I tried with the provided 2.7mm spacer and it would not fit. I really don't know what to do with my Neo 2T (PS: yep I meant 2020, not 2019)
Same problem here! Im on my third Neo 2T allready....😓 First two had motor issue’s. With the third one the brake caliper bolts are in contact with the body of the trainer ( and damaging the body). Contacted Tacx again let’s see what they have to say...first two had no problems with the caliper.
hi shane, i just purches flux 2 smart for my scott addict with SRAM Rival eTap AXS 12 speed...do i need to switch the hub to xdr driver? the flux came with 12 speed ultegra cassette
Yep, ideally you’ll need the correct freehub and cassette.
@@gplama tnx
Hello Shane, I’m trying to fit a new Orbea Ordu 2020 12 speed bike to the Tacx Neo 2. I’ve followed the video (which is awesome by the way!) but the disc calliper seems to be touching the Tacx Neo 2 casing… just wondering if this is normal and if there are any work-arounds?
iirc Tacx/Garmin recommend putting a spacer or two on the non-drive side in these scenarios. Not an optimal solution though.
I bought the exact same components and I'm not able to "screw" the cassette as you do at min 03:23. What could it be? It bumps before the thread.
One for Garmin/Tacx support.
I have the same issue. It seems like the cassette doesn’t slide all the way into the “body” there is a gap bc of the “lock ring” that doesn’t exist? Any solutions?
Hi Shane, is it possible to use tax Neo 1 with new Shimano 12 speed cassette? I have new bike with dura ace 12 speed.
HyperGlide+ is backward compatible with HyperGlide, so the theory says yes.
Hey Shane,
Thanks for the amazing videos. they've guided me through the purchase process and getting on Zwift. I got my neo 2t yesterday, I have a X01 eagle on my wheelset, and installed an NX on the trainer. It seems as though the spacing with this driver isn't the same as the derailleur is off all over the place, limits, tension etc. Do you think if I convert the 2t to XD with a GX cassette, I can pull off not adjusting the derailleur between wheelset and trainer? Thanks!
It depends what the root problem is. Indexing/etc will be all about the distance from the cassette to the derailleur, so the outside spacing, if that make sense - If that's wrong then the whole indexing will be out. I'd tinker around with facing/shimming that first to see if it'll line up before forking out on a XDR driver and $$ cassette.
@@gplama thanks for the suggestion! I unfortunately got a DOA unit, overheated after only two rides, its being replaced by garmin now. Once I get the new one I'll try the shim approach. Big $$ difference for sure.
What's the wrench needed? I tried using an adjustable wrench but it didn't work
Hey, I have a question
I have sram rival axs and 12mm rear axle, I need freehubbody for tacx flux s (bought this year, 2022). Which freehub should I use? T2875.76 or T2805.81?
Thank you
That’s one for Garmin/Tacx support.
@@gplama I believe it's T2875.76 cause I have same rear axle, 12mm wide hollow axle on dtswiss p1800
Shane, do you know if there is any issues mixing the SRAM Force AXS cassette on a trainer with a SRAM Red AXS set up of the bike? Looking to save a few bucks of the spare cassette. Any help most appreciated.
I believe this is good to go.
Shane Miller - GPLama thanks 🙏
Hi Shane, get video but do you know if a 12 speed Shimano Ultegra will work on this conversion?
Shane, did the lockring come with the SRAM cassette? I don’t seem to have one, so can’t fit it to my trainer? Did you buy it separately 😩
There's no separate lockring for these AXS cassettes. They're an all-in-one cassette.
Shane Miller - GPLama so I don’t need to lock it in? Just put it on to the SRAM adapter, then my thru axel?
@@dudbub90 If you have an AXS groupset you'll need a compatible SRAM AXS cassette (which has the lockring built-in as shown in this video)
HI Shane, I have a neo 1 but have just purchased a bike with eTap Rival AXS 12 speed that has a thru axle. Which free hub do I get? pre 2019 or the later one? Appreciate this might be a dumb question but this is also my first disc brake bike so quite a learning curve!! Many thanks
One for Garmin support.
Okay thanks Shane. Love the channel@@gplama
What type of grease in the pulls of the freehub? I think you used two types of grease, one on the axle and pulls and the other on the thread
General purpose grease is fine.
Shane, my girlfriend and i both have SRAM force AXS on our bikes, mine is a 10-33 cassette hers is a 10-28 cassette. Both are 12 speed. Were waiting on delivery of our Neo 2, but can't work out which cassette to get? would the size difference be an issue on the trainer? if not which cassette would we buy the 33 or the 28? thanks in advance
Both being 12 speed AXS, you're good. Re sizing: Her bike would likely have a chain sized for a 28, so it might get funky when paired with a 33. Yours on the other hand could accomodate a 28 (with a chain sized for 33).
@@gplama Shane, you're a gent. much appreciated
Hi. I’ve got a Cannondale Systemsix with a 165mm thru axle. The rear hub is a 12x142mm. Will my axle be too long even with the spacers? Cheers
Not sure sorry. That's one for Garmin/Tacx Support.
Thank you.
Hello Shane hope you are doing well.
I have a thru axle gravel bike with an eagle XX1 cassette like you and a neo 1.
I followed your recommendation and bought an NX cassette. I doesn’t work as the shifting doesn’t work and the cage is touching the trainer an higher gears.
I then bought the tacx xd-r body (type 1) and mounted the XX1 cassette on the trainer. The pb now is that the axle compresses the cassette and the pedals are not turning. Spend quite some money and don’t now what I did wrong. Do you have a suggestion?
That’s one for Tacx/Garmin support. You might need to lock out the higher gears if there’s no room for the Eagle cage using all gears.
what are the tools used to lock the cassette?
Shane, I got a XDR freehub and put my 12 speed axs road cassette on the kickr core. When I fixate the thru axis, the chain touches the bike frame in the smallest cogs. Is all this equipment compatible?
One for Wahoo Support. It should be compatible if there’s an XDR driver installed.
I fixed it, cassette was not screwed tight enough on hub. All good, thanks!
@@gplama hey I have a quick question about the hub, can I only use the hub from tacx for neo 2t or can I use any hub? Since I have a kickr core before and now I want the neo 2t, can I just move the hub to the neo 2t?
@@dddreeeeeee They're specific to each trainer/hub.
My freehub body (gen 1 OG Neo) doesnt come off like that. It comes out a little and I can see like 33% of all the pawls. I wonder whats preventing my from just sliding it off like that. sad:/
Do you have the new new Vector 3 battery covers on order? Woudln't mind seeing you bodge your way through before I try since it involves tools this time :D
They're on their way.... I think..
if you buy the 12s (xrd) freehub do you also need to buy the 12mm axle adapter kit ? (for a tacx Neo smart 2017)
The axle kit that comes with the Neo should work with this XDR.
Hi Shane, I've recently done this conversion on my cervelo P series with etap rival axs 2x12 groupset. I have no shim spacers added behind the XDR and yet when I put my bike on the trainer, my chain is practically touching the rear derailleur when in the smallest cog. On my bike there is ample space between chain and derailleur in the smallest cog. No clue how to solve this, as adding shim spacers would just move the cassette even closer to the derailleur. Any ideas? Thanks for your excellent videos as always.
One for Garmin/Tacx support.
Hi Shane,
I see that you apply different types of lube for different parts of the drivetrain. Do you have a video on lubing up your drive train showing which lube is appropriate for which parts?
Thanks!
Most bike chain oil is good enough for the majority of riders. There have been wars over which is best.
Will this TACX adapter work with an Elite trainer - Elite Directo XR to be precise?
I don’t think so. Elite have their own SRAM freehub option.
I have a Specialized Venge Pro 2020 and a TacX Flux Smart T2900 trainer. Not sure if bike and trainer are native thru axle. Which freehub do I need to buy? For me it looks like the bike is native thru axle and the trainer is not. Are they compatible at all?
Ping Tacx (or Garmin) Support on this one. I'd assume the pre Q4 2019.... but double check with them to be sure.
@@gplama Thank you! I've reached out Garmin and I am still waiting for a reply. For bikes with disc brakes do you happen to know what are the axle spacers needed? I've got a TacX Flux Smart T2900.
Please tell me how to install BMC Kaius 01 three on the machine? Thank you!:)
Best contact Garmin support for this one.
This trainer is compatible with shimano microspline 12s??
One for Garmin support. Not something I’ve looked into on the Neo range.
Curious if you have tried the H2/H3 or know if the XDR Driver and AXS 12 is compatible?
Saris say it is: www.saris.com/product/hammer-xd-driver
I installed a Saris XDR driver on my H3 today. I’m running Force AXS 12, 10-33 cassette. All 12 gears worked fine. There is about a .5 mm gap between the hanger and the body of the H3 when in the easiest gear, so not much clearance. I will say installing a cassette when you can’t grip the wheel is different. Hence the reverse chain whip. I would recommend getting a new chain whip that was designed around 11 speed bikes. Mines an old cheep one, probably meant for 8/9 speeds. This made it hard to fit in the small gaps of a 12 speed cassette.
Hi,I got a Tacx NEO 2T, When i try to setup my Tri bike BMC time machine01, the shifter in the highest gear is hitting the trainer/disc. Can I resolve that issue with the adpater showed on this video? I have RED SRAM electric.Cassette 11/28 Thanks
If your bike needs a 12 speed XDR cassette, this will help.
I just bought TACX Flux S , and I can not put into the SRAM Núcleo SRAM XD-R Tacx®T2805.81 , because the hole is too small , is there different hole between 2019 Q4 ??? Thannks
Best to contact Tacx Support
@@gplama Already tried , but no replies , can you only explain what is the diference between version previos and after 2019 Q4 , the internal hole size is different ? thankyou
@@unaitubic8571 I'm sorry, I can't provide this level of support. Tacx/Garmin need to support you here.
@@unaitubic8571 Hi Unai. Do you have an answer yet? I have the same question, but no reply from Tacx/Garmin so far...
@@koertrogiers3480 Núcleo SRAM XD Tacx®
T2875.76
You need this part !!!
hello which key did you use to tighten the sram cassette and how many nitium.thanks
Cassette Lockring Tool (Maybe unavailable... Amazon US): amzn.to/2NHhG00
Chainwhip Tool (Amaon US): amzn.to/2pFc90D
I have the neo (not 2T) . I am having issues with clearance .
Sorry Shane a bit lost probably me is it possible to put the sram axs 12 speed with a thru axel on a Tacx neo one
Yes
Shane Miller - GPLama thanks for that
Bonjour Shane... SOS ☹️
Est ce que tu peux m'aider stp...
J'ai une cassette :
SRAM NX / PG1230 / 11-50 T 12v
Un axe traversant :
8 mm x 171,5 mm
Peux-tu me dire quel corps de cassette ; quels embouts ; ou quels adaptateurs utiliser si besoin...
Mon vélociste m'a laissé le corps d'origine avec DS 12 ; NDS 148
Dans l'attente de retour
Merci d'avance
MichMich
Best contact Garmin support.
I'm going the other way and want to use an older 10 speed cassette, can I use any old 10 speed freehub on the Neo ? (version 1)
The standard freehub will support 8-11 spd.
@@gplama hmm, thanks for the reply. It didn't seem to, let me take the new hub off (which I took from an old 10 spd wheel) and try again. the standard hub supported an 11spd but did't seem to do 10, hence why I swapped it
is it compatible with wahoo trainer too?
No. You'll need the Wahoo XD/XDR driver for that trainer.
Hi! I’m having an issue with the install of my xd-r driver it it seems. I bought this so that I could use my Canyon Ultimate which he a 12s cassette. I am using the same cassette as my ultimate. But when I install and put my bike on, the smallest cog is very close to the rear triangle of the bike. Also, after install, my shifting is out of wack.
Did you figure out a fix for this? I’m having the same problem with a Canyon Speedmax
@@bryanunbound hey. I had to make sure I screwed the cassette on all the way. Keep cranking and it should create some space
@@joshhealey9, thanks for the speedy reply! I cranked it down tight, but the end cap barely sticks out past the cassette.
Excelente,,,
Hi thank you for the info, can you kindly advise what I would need to do to achieve the same but for my 12 SPD Campagnolo Super record.
Many thanks
Karl
One for Garmin/Tacx. I’m not familiar with Campag.
@@gplama ok thank you
How about the shimano deore xt 12 speed on my bike for my Neo 2T.
No compatible
And Campag too
Is the conversion the same for a Kickr?
Yep! I have the conversions for Wahoo and Elite trainers. I'll put those up as a reference if people want to see those too.
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While it is epic to install a fucking 12 speed casette on your indoor trainer, i sure hope the pandemic passes and we can upgrade our real bikes, before we all end up with xx1 eagle rainbow casettes on our indoor trainer.
One marginal gain a day keeps the doctor away.
Hello, first of all, thanks for you excellent reviews and tutorials! I bet you can help: I just got my Neo 2T and I have the same annoying problem as these guys: czcams.com/video/2eDL45phe70/video.html, czcams.com/video/AvLOROOoQyw/video.html....low pitched vibration when in smaller half of the cogs, much like "road feel", but I have it torned off. I first tried a shimano 10 speed bike and it was totally fine, but then I switched to Sram XDR and it vibrates like hell (again, road simulation disabled) - I remember I did get 2 shims in the pack (besides the one for the brake caliper side) - is there a tutorial how to install it? Thanks!