The slowing too abruptly is something I hate with autopilot as well. I have yet to get FSD but I thank you for these kinds of updates. I want to get it eventually.
Fsd Beta tester from Québec here. I have experience exactly the same behaviors with my model 3 2020. One more currious behavior I experienced yesterday: someone passes me and my car litterally jumped (swerve very fastly to the right), I would say 1,5 meter to the right (in the bike line) but the car who passes me was not near at all and there was absolutly no possibility for an accident but it scares us a lot for a few seconds. Also, on the highway, thus it is not FSD but it is ennoying, when we are in the right lane and we reach a slow car (while the fast lane is completely free in front and behind), my car slows down, and then signal, move in the fast lane and passes. It should not slow down before passing a slow car on the highway unless there are cars coming in the fast lane from behind. Like you, I acknowledge that there has been a tremendous improvement compared with 2 years ago but we still have a long way to go before it can drive without a driver supervision. I use to be a BMW owner for nearly 20 years and I when I will change my Tesla...it will be another Tesla!
Peter, I have been watching many FSD Beta videos since the beta first appeared. Your description was by far the best concise summary of where FSD bata currently excels and falls short. In addition, many of your examples are completely consistent with my one experience even though I and not a FSD beta tester - just 'Autopilot' and 'FSD Capability'. My only hope is that someone at Tesla gets to view this video. I will add two comments from my own experience. My car seems totally incapable of handling a tool booth on a highway, even when it is un-manned. For example, a 3 lane Interstate tool area may widen to 6 or 7 lanes (because in the past there were manned toll booths) under EZ-Pass sensors to collect the toll. Adaptive cruise control and auto-steer gets dangerously confused. Secondly, while on Navigate with Autopilot, exiting one highway onto the next highway where the speed limit changes, for example, from 60 mph to 35 mph on the exit ramp, the car enters the exit ramp way too fast, I was wondering if you have experience with either of these two situations with FSD beta. Thanks for a great video.
Tesla has been told about these issues many times, who knows why it's taking so long to fix. But then again they haven't even fixed the Dashcam Viewer and it's had issues since day one. And it's been months now and they still haven't fixed the Dashcam Unavailable issue on FSD beta cars. This is a huge issue for those of us that have a Jeda HUB because plugging it often (the temp fix), will wear down the side carpet due to the tight fit.
Very excellent and precise commentary re: FSD failings and successes. I would add 21. Here in Oregon the car sees yellow flashing lights and comes to a stop. The car should stop, then with some caution turn left or right as the arrows point.
Awesome video Peter. Wish I would have seen it in time to attend the James Taylor event. We just drove our new Model Y from Camano Island to Philadelphia then to Houston and back to Camano Island, approximately 7,400 miles in total. We experienced many of the problems you covered in this video but we weren’t on FSD. Phantom breaking, not staying to the left of the lane if the lane widens, fake speed limits below posted speeds, ignoring posted speed reductions were all significant irritants on our trip. However, all in all, the car was awesome. We’re looking forward to seeing you and Jeannine on Camano Island whenever you want to getaway from Vancouver.
Be sure to hit the report button whenever FSD does something you feel is inappropriate. Too many testers forget to hit the button and report the behavior to Tesla. Tesla needs the data in order to improve.
I find that in situations on a highway involving passing a slow moving vehicle in front of my vehicle, when it does decide to make the merge into the left lane it seems to take very long to then ramp up to the maximum posted speed limit.
4:15 - A number of FSD Beta users have noted incorrect speed limits in places as I have too. I notice that often it is associated with a turn before there is a speed limit sign. I.e. I turn from a road with a 35 MPH limit onto a road with a 40 MPH limit and the car thinks the speed limit is 20 MPH until it sees the first 40 MPH limit sign. I even have a weird situation where in the space of 50 - 75 feet the car's speed limit goes from 25 to 20 to 65 to 20 to 45 to 20 with no signs posted. This has to be bad map speed limit data. 6:12 - I believe that situation is just the "old" AutoPilot and has nothing to do with FSD Beta until they get the "unified stack" whenever version 11 is released. At that point we will probably get strange highway behaviors. 7:59 - Definitely agree there. No real planning ahead, it just reacts when the cars in front get too close. 8:48 - I'm not sure that construction zones are a priority yet. Too many strange things go on in them like permanent speed limit signs on the side of the road and temporary speed limit signs close to or in the roadway that take precedence. 9:33 - It may be false hope to expect the car to react to the human traffic controllers in construction zones in the near future or maybe ever. It will have to recognize humans holding traffic like signs that it needs to pay attention to. Iffy in my opinion. 13:28 - Again, a situation where the car needs to plan ahead and does not. In fact, it probably shows the "bus" as a semi truck. 16:21 - The freeway AutoPilot does that as well as FSD Beta on the city streets. Been doing it forever and is apparently not a priority to fix. 17:16 - I have a pair of traffic circles near my house that are pretty simple for a human to understand but FSD Beta really has no clue how to drive. In fact, they are where the crazy speed limit changes I noted above occur. They even have a special speed limit sign, 15 MPH, that the car completely ignores. The car zooms up to one of them at 40 MPH, never slowing even slightly until I am forced to hit the brakes.
Amen. FSD Beta for 6 months and I have experienced all those hiccups. The one I hate the most is slow to stop. The car actually speeds up until it reads the red and then makes a hard stop. FSD not ready to replace humans any time soon, regardless what Musk says. Good review of bad behaviors. Stay alert and takeover. I average 1 or 2 interventions every hour. Robo taxi anyone?
I've had all those experiences myself on my Model Y. I keep reporting them to Tesla so they can see for themselves. I hope you are reporting through your screen as well when you encounter these problems.
I bought into the Enhanced Auto Pilot and experience (on Nav) much of what Peter speaks about in this video. Phantom braking seems to have been corrected somehow in our M3 since having had the four strong ‘hits’ to the brakes that one day during Alberta back in early July . And all recorded data for that one day was completely just ‘gone’ from the memory stick . (Aha! Now what was that about)?
As to jumping in early when in a slip (merge) situation; causes backups behind you. Cars should use the entire slip lane and flow not unlike water molecules in a stream.
Elon Musk has said FSD will be fully available and reliable next year. Probably released alongside the Tesla Bot, Solar roofs, the Cybertruck, and the Hyperloop. Can't wait! 🥳
Yes, it's supposed to visually see the speed limit signs. Often when the speed limit is 65mph and the car sees a Truck speed limit of 55pmh my car slow to 55mph, very annoying. Yet it seems to use GPS data to slow for road construction on the highways, because it slows before there is a sign. Granted this is on Autopilot on the highways and not the FSD beta. I've pretty much given up using the beta because it's just to nerve racking in traffic. I'm convinced that FSD with vision only is at least a decade away. I know it's made a lot of progress but it really needs input from more sensors, like FLIR. And yes, phantom braking is worse now since Tesla turned off my radar. Elon isn't always right, no matter what the fan boys say. "We want to keep most of the pedestrians alive, that we encounter". That was a good one! lol
Have a look in the summon of the car. Why can we ask it go forward and backward but we can't tell it to turn forward and turn backward! Parallel parking in extreme tight spaces is hard even for a human, but when I walk out of the car and look to the closing gap, then I could get that car in that one free gap where opening the door is even no option. But I can't steer it in there! I have loads of other cases where simple full forward backward steering control would make a big difference. See if you can bring that to a wider attention. Thank you!
Great video. I've had most of the same experiences. 4. I have also heard that it uses vision but we have a new road that goes under the freeway with no freeway entrance but when the car get close to it the speed changes to 60mph, it's a 25mph road no signs on the road or that can be seen on the freeway from the car. Also the navigation will want to get on the freeway at that point if on NOA. 9. I've heard that Elon wants the car to gain as much energy as possible that is why it slows down so hard. 12. Both left and right turns are too much of a circle for me. It quite often goes into the oncoming lane when making a left turn and there is right turn I take regularly where it almost hits the pole for the stop lights. Thanks
Peter very comprehensive video hope Elon takes all your points on board . I do wonder if the computer that’s doing the driving has the power to drive safely maybe the reason they dropped radar to take some of the load off the system. Would Tesla have to replace the hardware on all cars with Full self driving to achieve their 100% goal
Love your channel Peter but if you think Tesla will fix all these issues you’re just kidding yourself. We’re not on this planet that long so I suggest you just drive your Tesla yourself and enjoy it 🙂👍
The slowing too abruptly is something I hate with autopilot as well. I have yet to get FSD but I thank you for these kinds of updates. I want to get it eventually.
Fsd Beta tester from Québec here. I have experience exactly the same behaviors with my model 3 2020. One more currious behavior I experienced yesterday: someone passes me and my car litterally jumped (swerve very fastly to the right), I would say 1,5 meter to the right (in the bike line) but the car who passes me was not near at all and there was absolutly no possibility for an accident but it scares us a lot for a few seconds. Also, on the highway, thus it is not FSD but it is ennoying, when we are in the right lane and we reach a slow car (while the fast lane is completely free in front and behind), my car slows down, and then signal, move in the fast lane and passes. It should not slow down before passing a slow car on the highway unless there are cars coming in the fast lane from behind. Like you, I acknowledge that there has been a tremendous improvement compared with 2 years ago but we still have a long way to go before it can drive without a driver supervision. I use to be a BMW owner for nearly 20 years and I when I will change my Tesla...it will be another Tesla!
Peter, I have been watching many FSD Beta videos since the beta first appeared. Your description was by far the best concise summary of where FSD bata currently excels and falls short. In addition, many of your examples are completely consistent with my one experience even though I and not a FSD beta tester - just 'Autopilot' and 'FSD Capability'. My only hope is that someone at Tesla gets to view this video. I will add two comments from my own experience. My car seems totally incapable of handling a tool booth on a highway, even when it is un-manned. For example, a 3 lane Interstate tool area may widen to 6 or 7 lanes (because in the past there were manned toll booths) under EZ-Pass sensors to collect the toll. Adaptive cruise control and auto-steer gets dangerously confused. Secondly, while on Navigate with Autopilot, exiting one highway onto the next highway where the speed limit changes, for example, from 60 mph to 35 mph on the exit ramp, the car enters the exit ramp way too fast, I was wondering if you have experience with either of these two situations with FSD beta. Thanks for a great video.
Tesla has been told about these issues many times, who knows why it's taking so long to fix. But then again they haven't even fixed the Dashcam Viewer and it's had issues since day one. And it's been months now and they still haven't fixed the Dashcam Unavailable issue on FSD beta cars. This is a huge issue for those of us that have a Jeda HUB because plugging it often (the temp fix), will wear down the side carpet due to the tight fit.
I think they have long way to go!
Very excellent and precise commentary re: FSD failings and successes. I would add
21. Here in Oregon the car sees yellow flashing lights and comes to a stop. The car should stop, then with some caution turn left or right as the arrows point.
Thanks for a very comprehensive review. Thank you also for treating us to the hummingbird activity in your yard, oops, garden.
Awesome video Peter. Wish I would have seen it in time to attend the James Taylor event. We just drove our new Model Y from Camano Island to Philadelphia then to Houston and back to Camano Island, approximately 7,400 miles in total. We experienced many of the problems you covered in this video but we weren’t on FSD. Phantom breaking, not staying to the left of the lane if the lane widens, fake speed limits below posted speeds, ignoring posted speed reductions were all significant irritants on our trip. However, all in all, the car was awesome. We’re looking forward to seeing you and Jeannine on Camano Island whenever you want to getaway from Vancouver.
Be sure to hit the report button whenever FSD does something you feel is inappropriate.
Too many testers forget to hit the button and report the behavior to Tesla.
Tesla needs the data in order to improve.
I find that in situations on a highway involving passing a slow moving vehicle in front of my vehicle, when it does decide to make the merge into the left lane it seems to take very long to then ramp up to the maximum posted speed limit.
4:15 - A number of FSD Beta users have noted incorrect speed limits in places as I have too. I notice that often it is associated with a turn before there is a speed limit sign. I.e. I turn from a road with a 35 MPH limit onto a road with a 40 MPH limit and the car thinks the speed limit is 20 MPH until it sees the first 40 MPH limit sign. I even have a weird situation where in the space of 50 - 75 feet the car's speed limit goes from 25 to 20 to 65 to 20 to 45 to 20 with no signs posted. This has to be bad map speed limit data.
6:12 - I believe that situation is just the "old" AutoPilot and has nothing to do with FSD Beta until they get the "unified stack" whenever version 11 is released. At that point we will probably get strange highway behaviors.
7:59 - Definitely agree there. No real planning ahead, it just reacts when the cars in front get too close.
8:48 - I'm not sure that construction zones are a priority yet. Too many strange things go on in them like permanent speed limit signs on the side of the road and temporary speed limit signs close to or in the roadway that take precedence.
9:33 - It may be false hope to expect the car to react to the human traffic controllers in construction zones in the near future or maybe ever. It will have to recognize humans holding traffic like signs that it needs to pay attention to. Iffy in my opinion.
13:28 - Again, a situation where the car needs to plan ahead and does not. In fact, it probably shows the "bus" as a semi truck.
16:21 - The freeway AutoPilot does that as well as FSD Beta on the city streets. Been doing it forever and is apparently not a priority to fix.
17:16 - I have a pair of traffic circles near my house that are pretty simple for a human to understand but FSD Beta really has no clue how to drive. In fact, they are where the crazy speed limit changes I noted above occur. They even have a special speed limit sign, 15 MPH, that the car completely ignores. The car zooms up to one of them at 40 MPH, never slowing even slightly until I am forced to hit the brakes.
I look forward to your guide on advanced use of waypoints
Amen. FSD Beta for 6 months and I have experienced all those hiccups. The one I hate the most is slow to stop. The car actually speeds up until it reads the red and then makes a hard stop. FSD not ready to replace humans any time soon, regardless what Musk says. Good review of bad behaviors. Stay alert and takeover. I average 1 or 2 interventions every hour. Robo taxi anyone?
I hope Tesla is listening to this very insightful review of FSD beta
I've had all those experiences myself on my Model Y. I keep reporting them to Tesla so they can see for themselves. I hope you are reporting through your screen as well when you encounter these problems.
Yes these are the reasons that I never use FSD in the city. Even on the highway I usually only go for speed control. Maybe some day…
I bought into the Enhanced Auto Pilot and experience (on Nav)
much of what Peter speaks about in this video. Phantom braking seems to have been corrected somehow in our M3 since having had the four strong ‘hits’ to the brakes that one day during Alberta back in early July . And all recorded data for that one day was completely just ‘gone’ from the memory stick . (Aha! Now what was that about)?
As to jumping in early when in a slip (merge) situation; causes backups behind you. Cars should use the entire slip lane and flow not unlike water molecules in a stream.
Elon Musk has said FSD will be fully available and reliable next year. Probably released alongside the Tesla Bot, Solar roofs, the Cybertruck, and the Hyperloop. Can't wait! 🥳
Wish I was in the area for the concert, but it’s a bit to far from NY, to just drive over 🤣
Your #5 issue is missing an "s" in the on-screen label. All good things to know as I await my Model Y LR.
Yes, it's supposed to visually see the speed limit signs. Often when the speed limit is 65mph and the car sees a Truck speed limit of 55pmh my car slow to 55mph, very annoying. Yet it seems to use GPS data to slow for road construction on the highways, because it slows before there is a sign. Granted this is on Autopilot on the highways and not the FSD beta. I've pretty much given up using the beta because it's just to nerve racking in traffic. I'm convinced that FSD with vision only is at least a decade away. I know it's made a lot of progress but it really needs input from more sensors, like FLIR. And yes, phantom braking is worse now since Tesla turned off my radar. Elon isn't always right, no matter what the fan boys say.
"We want to keep most of the pedestrians alive, that we encounter". That was a good one! lol
Have a look in the summon of the car. Why can we ask it go forward and backward but we can't tell it to turn forward and turn backward! Parallel parking in extreme tight spaces is hard even for a human, but when I walk out of the car and look to the closing gap, then I could get that car in that one free gap where opening the door is even no option. But I can't steer it in there! I have loads of other cases where simple full forward backward steering control would make a big difference. See if you can bring that to a wider attention. Thank you!
Great video. I've had most of the same experiences.
4. I have also heard that it uses vision but we have a new road that goes under the freeway with no freeway entrance but when the car get close to it the speed changes to 60mph, it's a 25mph road no signs on the road or that can be seen on the freeway from the car. Also the navigation will want to get on the freeway at that point if on NOA.
9. I've heard that Elon wants the car to gain as much energy as possible that is why it slows down so hard.
12. Both left and right turns are too much of a circle for me. It quite often goes into the oncoming lane when making a left turn and there is right turn I take regularly where it almost hits the pole for the stop lights.
Thanks
Peter very comprehensive video hope Elon takes all your points on board . I do wonder if the computer that’s doing the driving has the power to drive safely maybe the reason they dropped radar to take some of the load off the system.
Would Tesla have to replace the hardware on all cars with Full self driving to achieve their 100% goal
Where are you Model3man? You haven't made a video in months. Hope you're okay.
Me and my wife would love to join your party
And we’d love to have you! Please email me at info@adtschool.com with your names and the number wanting to come and I’ll email you back with details
@@model3man just send you an email
Love your channel Peter but if you think Tesla will fix all these issues you’re just kidding yourself. We’re not on this planet that long so I suggest you just drive your Tesla yourself and enjoy it 🙂👍
Full Self Drive: paying lots of money for the stress of constantly correcting its potentially dangerous mistakes.
To bad all you got to do is put tesla down