Remember the premise of this video is based on once FSD is finally completed, and approved by regulatory authorities - however long that takes. Only at THAT point do my 6 reasons to buy FSD become relevant. Also, as this has been asked a lot in the comments section, my firm belief is that the price of FSD will go DOWN not UP over time. Competition from other manufacturers who will use FSD under licence from Tesla (Ford is already in talks) will cause the price to be reduced not increased. Remember that Elon has shown no hesitation to drop the prices of his cars in order to prioritize sales over margins, and because he wants people to use FSD, there are definitely going to be numerous incentives over the coming years to help ensure that the maximum number of Teslas are equipped with FSD. Also, the subscription model to pay for FSD may well be the more attractive option because you can then easily transfer to another Tesla, and continue paying the monthly fee on your new car. So - plenty of major changes are on the way once AI helps to speed the final evolution of FSD
My concern is that those of us without FSD are being left behind. Right now I’m on an extended road trip, from Nanaimo to northern Michigan and back. Phantom braking, reaction time to cross traffic are common and frequent. I’m not paying anything until these basic issues are fixed!
Are you on basic autopilot or enhanced autopilot? Also, if only on basic autopilot, where does cross-traffic pose a hazard on the freeway - assuming that, as intended, you are only using autopilot on freeway / highway situations? I'm interested in what 'flavour' of Autopilot you're on and where you use it?
Hi Peter, I am on basic autopilot. On our current trip, our first long distance effort, I have had a number of cases of random phantom braking; instances where so brakes for a vehicle turning left in front but well clear of my path before the brakes are applied. AP will brake if it sees a vehicle in an oncoming situation but not in line with me. It will brake aggressively going into a sharp turn. All of these are frequent. I can only rely on auto steer on a straight road with little other traffic. How come all this can be happening when you are finding FSD close to perfection?
@@mikehunter7630 - hi Mike. I’m guessing that what you were writing about is the basic auto pilot - and of course I am on the full self driving software. Both of those use a completely different stack. Now, in FSD, we USED to have basic auto pilot on the freeway, (which did behave in many ways like what you are describing) but then they merged it into the same stack that all of the rest of FSD was using. In other words, a unified stack. It sounds to me like your vehicle still just has the original basic auto pilot, which is due for a big upgrade based on the newer developments in FSD. So, that will account for the very different behaviours that I experience, after they integrated the freeway, driving stack into the full self driving stack. I’ll do some more research and find out when yours will change but I can tell you that what I’ve described is the reason for what seems like a split personality when it behaves one way for me and one way for you
I would love to buy FSD, I would be the first in line for it BUT we already have Auto Pilot which is just so flaky. Tuesday driving on a motorway (UK) with the Grand Child strapped into her chair behind me, AP on, middle lane of three lanes light traffic, light rain, the car for no obvious reason tried to swerve into the left lane, I was paying attention and had a hand on the wheel so managed to stop it killing us. Wife had a dicky fit, I ended up having to drive the car myself for about 35 motorway miles. Another issue is that I still drive with two hands on the wheel, especially in winter with the heated wheel in action, the MY keeps saying apply pressure to the wheel so it obviously can’t tell I’m holding the wheel unless its just with one hand so I often have one very tired hand keeping a constant pressure up…..yes I’m old 70 means things hurt!. So saying if Tesla can guarantee FSD will work safely then we will buy it tomorrow because it means we can keep mobile for longer without endangering other road users and ourselves it will be a godsend in years to come…..just needs to work.
When it tried to swerve, was there a car in the left lane that it would have hit? Or was there a traffic-free gap in the left lane? By the way, all you need do is roll EITHER scroll wheel a single click and it treats that as "hands on the wheel" so you don't have to keep tweaking the wheel itself
Reason Number 2 is why I purchased a 2023 Tesla MYLR this June. As someone who sometimes has numbness in my feet, the combination of FSD driver assistance, collision avoidance features, and regenerative braking, will allow me to maintain my independence longer. Financially, the $200 subscription is more cost-effective than paying 15k for FSD or going through the occupational therapy of learning and equipping my car with hand controls for a less-tech vehicle. My previous vehicle was a 2012 Honda CR-V and I was not comfortable driving that vehicle safely with my condition. The current issue I have is that FSD is not available for my Tesla with HW4 and Enhanced AutoPilot features such as Autosteer and Navigate are in beta versions for HW4. Initially, my Tesla was not able to enable Autopilot due to a misaligned camera. Yesterday, Tesla Mobile Service realigned the front two cameras and drove it enough to re-calibrate the cameras. I now am able to see the FSD display and the Parking Assist function is working much better. Currently, FSD for my HW4 does stop at red lights and stop signs, but you have to re-engage Autopilot when the light is green or the car will stop at a green light. All turns must be manually done, but I can re-engage Autopilot after I make the turn. I have set my profile conservatively to have the car drive at the speed limit and set the Acceleration mode to Chill. For Autopilot, I have the following distance set to the maximum with minimal lane changes. This will provide me with a better safety cushion should I need to brake manually in an emergency situation. Paying attention and having hands on the wheel is not an issue for me.
Thank you for your intelligent, thoughtful and professional observations. I agree that FSD is the future of vehicle operations for the everyday driver and commercial transport. Once fully operational and licensed by governments, regulators, providences and states humans will adapt/adopt quickly.
And thereafter the price for it will go down - especially as other car companies offer it under license from Tesla, and they reduce the price for their own range of vehicles.
Odds are, Ford is the first major auto company that will license FSD. This will cause a cascade to others, similar to NACS adoption. Imagine the “force field” around us while driving … super safe with peace of mind. I’ve had FSD since October 2021 and I’m totally comfortable using it every day.
Peter, I remember your video about how FSD would never become fully operational. At the time, i was wondering the same thing myself. To date, you are not proven wrong. But I sense that you may changing your mind about that.
I expected that the dollar figures you mentioned would be in Cnd dollars, but looks like not. I think a mention of the currency you are using would be of help.
In my opinion FSD is not worth $15,000. All it takes is for someone to total your FSD equipped Tesla and then it's gone. Then you'd have to pay for it all over again because insurance won't cover that cost totally. But this is a mute point since FSD won't be feature complete and approved by regulators for another decade, I'm sorry but it just won't happen sooner than that. I normally agree with your point of views but not on this topic. And the aged currently do get to continue driving by using a taxi or Uber or a bus. No one is stuck home because they can't drive. People got around before they were legally able to drive, kids get around just fine without a drivers license. If Elon really cared about people and wanted to save lives, then he wouldn't make FSD so friggin expensive!
A few quick responses to your well expressed post. First, thanks for giving your honest and no-holds-barred opinions - that's why I love the comments section :) 1. That $15,000 price is definitely going to drop dramatically after FSD is perfected and approved. Here's why: as other vehicle manufacturers license the technology, they are going to start pricing it competitively. That will force Tesla to drop their prices. We've seen it with Tesla vehicle pricing. It will be the same for FSD. Mark my words. If only Tesla were to have it, then they could maintain monopolistic pricing - but they've already expressed their intention to license it to whoever wants it. 2. Remember that the subscription model exists for using FSD. So it doesn't matter if there is an accident. You just stop the subscription payments till a new car has been acquired and then begin them again on the new car. That would make better sense than outright purchase. 3. I'm afraid my aged mom in law does not at all want to have to order an Uber every time she goes out. She doesn't consider that 'independence'. She wants to drive herself but her kids have decided that's not on, and have taken away her car and car keys so now she basically doesn't go places unless its with family members. Other than that, it is true that anyone can order an Uber - so they can still get out if they wish to.
@@model3man I'd like to believe that the FSD price would go down in time, yet it's done nothing but go up. Elon even said FSD will be worth more than the car, so that tells me in will only get more expensive. And yes for some the FSD subscription will work, just not for me. We live in such a subscription based society as it is, it's like we can't own anything anymore. But the one big benefit to owning FSD was the included hardware upgrades. Granted we kind got screwed with the latest hardware changes as they aren't possible with our older cars, which I believe was intentional by Tesla. I'm thinking Tesla will eventually only offer FSD as a subscription, as there is less of a benefit to them selling it outright.
Talk about being brainwashed in thinking that $15,000 is worth it. I paid $2,000 for FSD (after paying $5,000 for EAP), and don't think it was worth that price.
It is very true that the cost of developing FSD is going to run into the billions of dollars and that Tesla does have to recoup those investments costs. However, overtime, and with the expansion of FSD into other OEM manufacturers, the price is naturally going to come down - as it does with everything. Especially if companies like Ford or GM license it from Tesla and then sell it more cheaply to give themselves competitive advantage. Tesla has shown that they are happy to adjust pricing at the drop of a hat with all of the recent price cuts that they have been making (which have reduced their margins). The same is going to happen to FSD once it is perfected, approved by regulators, and licensed to other manufacturers.
@@Resist4 - I guess the way to look at it is this. If it is a technology that reaches the stated objectives that Tesla has talked about, anything that saves you or your families lives while on the road is going to be worthwhile as an investment. Of course, most people think a deadly accident won't happen to them, but the reality is, a technology that keeps you safe (in the most risky thing we do, which is driving) is probably worth a reasonable investment, especially when compared to the high cost of the car that you've already spent a large sum of money on. But I do believe that the price is going to go down in the long run to where it is affordable for anyone buying a car
Remember the premise of this video is based on once FSD is finally completed, and approved by regulatory authorities - however long that takes. Only at THAT point do my 6 reasons to buy FSD become relevant.
Also, as this has been asked a lot in the comments section, my firm belief is that the price of FSD will go DOWN not UP over time. Competition from other manufacturers who will use FSD under licence from Tesla (Ford is already in talks) will cause the price to be reduced not increased.
Remember that Elon has shown no hesitation to drop the prices of his cars in order to prioritize sales over margins, and because he wants people to use FSD, there are definitely going to be numerous incentives over the coming years to help ensure that the maximum number of Teslas are equipped with FSD.
Also, the subscription model to pay for FSD may well be the more attractive option because you can then easily transfer to another Tesla, and continue paying the monthly fee on your new car. So - plenty of major changes are on the way once AI helps to speed the final evolution of FSD
My concern is that those of us without FSD are being left behind. Right now I’m on an extended road trip, from Nanaimo to northern Michigan and back. Phantom braking, reaction time to cross traffic are common and frequent. I’m not paying anything until these basic issues are fixed!
Are you on basic autopilot or enhanced autopilot? Also, if only on basic autopilot, where does cross-traffic pose a hazard on the freeway - assuming that, as intended, you are only using autopilot on freeway / highway situations? I'm interested in what 'flavour' of Autopilot you're on and where you use it?
Hi Peter, I am on basic autopilot. On our current trip, our first long distance effort, I have had a number of cases of random phantom braking; instances where so brakes for a vehicle turning left in front but well clear of my path before the brakes are applied. AP will brake if it sees a vehicle in an oncoming situation but not in line with me. It will brake aggressively going into a sharp turn. All of these are frequent. I can only rely on auto steer on a straight road with little other traffic. How come all this can be happening when you are finding FSD close to perfection?
@@mikehunter7630 - hi Mike. I’m guessing that what you were writing about is the basic auto pilot - and of course I am on the full self driving software.
Both of those use a completely different stack. Now, in FSD, we USED to have basic auto pilot on the freeway, (which did behave in many ways like what you are describing) but then they merged it into the same stack that all of the rest of FSD was using.
In other words, a unified stack.
It sounds to me like your vehicle still just has the original basic auto pilot, which is due for a big upgrade based on the newer developments in FSD. So, that will account for the very different behaviours that I experience, after they integrated the freeway, driving stack into the full self driving stack.
I’ll do some more research and find out when yours will change but I can tell you that what I’ve described is the reason for what seems like a split personality when it behaves one way for me and one way for you
I can see cars being banned from the roads unless they have FSD as the lives saved will be so compelling.
You ignore the fact that with FSD insurance premiums will be drastically reduced(possibly this saving alone will pay for FSD)
I would love to buy FSD, I would be the first in line for it BUT we already have Auto Pilot which is just so flaky.
Tuesday driving on a motorway (UK) with the Grand Child strapped into her chair behind me, AP on, middle lane of three lanes light traffic, light rain, the car for no obvious reason tried to swerve into the left lane,
I was paying attention and had a hand on the wheel so managed to stop it killing us.
Wife had a dicky fit, I ended up having to drive the car myself for about 35 motorway miles.
Another issue is that I still drive with two hands on the wheel, especially in winter with the heated wheel in action, the MY keeps saying apply pressure to the wheel so it obviously can’t tell I’m holding the wheel unless its just with one hand so I often have one very tired hand keeping a constant pressure up…..yes I’m old 70 means things hurt!.
So saying if Tesla can guarantee FSD will work safely then we will buy it tomorrow because it means we can keep mobile for longer without endangering other road users and ourselves it will be a godsend in years to come…..just needs to work.
When it tried to swerve, was there a car in the left lane that it would have hit? Or was there a traffic-free gap in the left lane? By the way, all you need do is roll EITHER scroll wheel a single click and it treats that as "hands on the wheel" so you don't have to keep tweaking the wheel itself
@@model3man nope, nothing in either lane and nothing behind either, just did a crazy Elon
Reason Number 2 is why I purchased a 2023 Tesla MYLR this June. As someone who sometimes has numbness in my feet, the combination of FSD driver assistance, collision avoidance features, and regenerative braking, will allow me to maintain my independence longer. Financially, the $200 subscription is more cost-effective than paying 15k for FSD or going through the occupational therapy of learning and equipping my car with hand controls for a less-tech vehicle. My previous vehicle was a 2012 Honda CR-V and I was not comfortable driving that vehicle safely with my condition. The current issue I have is that FSD is not available for my Tesla with HW4 and Enhanced AutoPilot features such as Autosteer and Navigate are in beta versions for HW4. Initially, my Tesla was not able to enable Autopilot due to a misaligned camera. Yesterday, Tesla Mobile Service realigned the front two cameras and drove it enough to re-calibrate the cameras. I now am able to see the FSD display and the Parking Assist function is working much better. Currently, FSD for my HW4 does stop at red lights and stop signs, but you have to re-engage Autopilot when the light is green or the car will stop at a green light. All turns must be manually done, but I can re-engage Autopilot after I make the turn. I have set my profile conservatively to have the car drive at the speed limit and set the Acceleration mode to Chill. For Autopilot, I have the following distance set to the maximum with minimal lane changes. This will provide me with a better safety cushion should I need to brake manually in an emergency situation. Paying attention and having hands on the wheel is not an issue for me.
Back when I was riding motorcycles, the mantra was, 10 dollar helmet, ten dollar head!
I remember those days being an ex-biker myself :)
Thank you for your intelligent, thoughtful and professional observations. I agree that FSD is the future of vehicle operations for the everyday driver and commercial transport. Once fully operational and licensed by governments, regulators, providences and states humans will adapt/adopt quickly.
And thereafter the price for it will go down - especially as other car companies offer it under license from Tesla, and they reduce the price for their own range of vehicles.
Odds are, Ford is the first major auto company that will license FSD. This will cause a cascade to others, similar to NACS adoption. Imagine the “force field” around us while driving … super safe with peace of mind. I’ve had FSD since October 2021 and I’m totally comfortable using it every day.
I bet you're a hundred percent right about it being Ford! They were first on sharing Tesla chargers and I'm sure they're first on this aspect
Peter, I remember your video about how FSD would never become fully operational. At the time, i was wondering the same thing myself. To date, you are not proven wrong. But I sense that you may changing your mind about that.
I expected that the dollar figures you mentioned would be in Cnd dollars, but looks like not. I think a mention of the currency you are using would be of help.
I don’t believe Fsd can save my life 100% yet.
10x safer than human is all the reason you need. Lower stress level also helps.
I have had my Model Y three years and purchased FSD. FSD has saved me several times from a serious accident. FSD is cheap life insurance.
In my opinion FSD is not worth $15,000. All it takes is for someone to total your FSD equipped Tesla and then it's gone. Then you'd have to pay for it all over again because insurance won't cover that cost totally. But this is a mute point since FSD won't be feature complete and approved by regulators for another decade, I'm sorry but it just won't happen sooner than that. I normally agree with your point of views but not on this topic. And the aged currently do get to continue driving by using a taxi or Uber or a bus. No one is stuck home because they can't drive. People got around before they were legally able to drive, kids get around just fine without a drivers license. If Elon really cared about people and wanted to save lives, then he wouldn't make FSD so friggin expensive!
A few quick responses to your well expressed post. First, thanks for giving your honest and no-holds-barred opinions - that's why I love the comments section :)
1. That $15,000 price is definitely going to drop dramatically after FSD is perfected and approved. Here's why: as other vehicle manufacturers license the technology, they are going to start pricing it competitively. That will force Tesla to drop their prices. We've seen it with Tesla vehicle pricing. It will be the same for FSD. Mark my words. If only Tesla were to have it, then they could maintain monopolistic pricing - but they've already expressed their intention to license it to whoever wants it.
2. Remember that the subscription model exists for using FSD. So it doesn't matter if there is an accident. You just stop the subscription payments till a new car has been acquired and then begin them again on the new car. That would make better sense than outright purchase.
3. I'm afraid my aged mom in law does not at all want to have to order an Uber every time she goes out. She doesn't consider that 'independence'. She wants to drive herself but her kids have decided that's not on, and have taken away her car and car keys so now she basically doesn't go places unless its with family members. Other than that, it is true that anyone can order an Uber - so they can still get out if they wish to.
@@model3man I'd like to believe that the FSD price would go down in time, yet it's done nothing but go up. Elon even said FSD will be worth more than the car, so that tells me in will only get more expensive. And yes for some the FSD subscription will work, just not for me. We live in such a subscription based society as it is, it's like we can't own anything anymore. But the one big benefit to owning FSD was the included hardware upgrades. Granted we kind got screwed with the latest hardware changes as they aren't possible with our older cars, which I believe was intentional by Tesla. I'm thinking Tesla will eventually only offer FSD as a subscription, as there is less of a benefit to them selling it outright.
Those people who complain about paying $15,000 US for FSD forget it will cost something like $100,000>
Talk about being brainwashed in thinking that $15,000 is worth it. I paid $2,000 for FSD (after paying $5,000 for EAP), and don't think it was worth that price.
It is very true that the cost of developing FSD is going to run into the billions of dollars and that Tesla does have to recoup those investments costs. However, overtime, and with the expansion of FSD into other OEM manufacturers, the price is naturally going to come down - as it does with everything.
Especially if companies like Ford or GM license it from Tesla and then sell it more cheaply to give themselves competitive advantage.
Tesla has shown that they are happy to adjust pricing at the drop of a hat with all of the recent price cuts that they have been making (which have reduced their margins). The same is going to happen to FSD once it is perfected, approved by regulators, and licensed to other manufacturers.
@@Resist4 - I guess the way to look at it is this. If it is a technology that reaches the stated objectives that Tesla has talked about, anything that saves you or your families lives while on the road is going to be worthwhile as an investment.
Of course, most people think a deadly accident won't happen to them, but the reality is, a technology that keeps you safe (in the most risky thing we do, which is driving) is probably worth a reasonable investment, especially when compared to the high cost of the car that you've already spent a large sum of money on. But I do believe that the price is going to go down in the long run to where it is affordable for anyone buying a car