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Ronaldo had to tell everyone he was the GOAT. Whereas Messi had other people saying it about him.
Maradona, Prime R9 and Messi were/are 1.5/2x more talented than CR7 ever was. But, that the fact that CR7 still stacked up numbers as great as he has is commendable.
Well said!!
@@DC-zi6se How do you measure this talent? I hear this said a lot, can you explain it to me?
@@Tunde....Ballack To put it simply it's unquantifiable but self-evident.
@@DC-zi6se You see that's a problem, It's too ambiguous and it risks anyone just branding anything talent and potentially dismissing all that has gone towards that level of excellence. You see someone that good and say they're talented, but do you actually know how they became that good? or do you think they're talented because they are that good? It is interesting because despite how good Ronaldo is, people always seem to go he's mainly hardwork, has less talent and all that.
Another thing, as far as studies towards proving talent actually exist, at this point, the only thing towards talent that is mentioned are phenotypic traits, your height, your type of muscle, and all that, and people would agree that Ronaldo is more blessed in those aspects, shouldn't he then be more talented?
Personally, I don't believe too much in talent one way or the other, I think everyone works towards how they become, and things like early childhood development, environment, training, and the general kind of life you've led play a great part in how you develop. Which is why I can never understand when people say, that is natural ability. What is natural ability, and what is not natural ability?
Maradona was from another planet i never saw anyone have a connection with the ball like diiego he was something to watch hes warm up to lfe is life is more entertaining then most players absolute Genius
The thing is that I believe it's a generation thing. I remember when I was younger Pele was regarded the best ever and Maradona a close second. Nowadays Pele has been forgotten a bit and it's Maradona and Messi who are fighting for top spot. I believe in 20 years the consensus will say that Messi is the greatest ever undoubtedly or whoever else comes along until then
Absolutely agree đ
Its so hard to compare..I'm just so happy to have seen Maradona & Messi both play in their prime. If it's France in the final I really hope Messi gets that WC. I think it'll make a lot of football fans around the world very happy...but then again if its Morocco in the final I'd love to see them cause the biggest upset of all time. either way I can't wait for that final~!
I think the longevity factor takes messi clear
I think pure impact and raw talent wise Maradona
I'd be happy for Messi for sure BUT...Argentina not so much, they have & have had some of the world's greatest players over many years but I just can't get on their bandwagon.
Too many cheaters, divers & moaners for way too long...I get they want to win but it seems like at any cost, I guess I just don't think they are deserving...it's almost every game I've seen them play their behaviour is pitiful, I get football is emotional but even allowing for that a lot of what they do is uncalled for....simply no need for it given the talent they've had.
Messi is way better
@@DC-zi6se nonsense, Messi is better than maradonna in every way. Thereâs not a single stat or quality maradonna has over Messi
Messi has almost triple the amount of goals scored than maradona. Has more World Cup goals, more World Cup assists, record most dribbles completed in the WC (maradona 2nd), record most chances created in WC (maradona 2nd).
But Maradona has the main one. The World Cup. If Messi went to Napoli I donât believe he would have done what Maradona did. For me Maradona is ahead of Messi
Yeah so... CR7 has so many goals and assist compared to R9... but he isn't even on the same stratosphere of the player R9 was... đ
Stats are pointless...
@@DC-zi6se stats are not pointless. Scoring is actually quite important. That's how cr7 is top 7 ever
@@smoothcritical1 still better
@@JJbyo Messi won the WC⌠Itâs over. He is, undeniably, better than Maradona.
Maradona played when defenders could kick forwards up in the air, especially in Italy! Present day football is almost non contact. Messi is a great player, easily the best of his generation but for me Maradona is the best player ever. Hope Messi gets the win, he deserves it!
Penaldo fans are calling Maradona the goat after messi won the debate.. so cute
thats not true lol
if they were allow to get away with murder on the pitch how come maradonas longest injury stretch was 2 months
i mean
since the opposition were trying to kill him why didnt they actually manage to do so
messi and ronaldo have both experience worse injuries than him
@@madaxwayne how old are you mate? Football way tougher and harder then, just listen to Ally McCoist talking here or watch some videos of 80âs football.
@@andyhow3431 more tougher but less quality
Players nowadays would run rings around the much less fit players of the 70 and 80s etc
Not to mention more refined tactics
@@madaxwayne thatâs fine, itâs just you said it wasnât true In your original post. If Maradona was playing now, heâd also be doing the same training and getting the same tactics, so heâd be fine. Messi has not or will never score a goal in the World Cup like Maradonaâs against England on a terrible pitch, thatâs a fact. But Messi is the 2nd best đ
There is a clip on YT likely filmed in Argentina where Maradona was playing on mud, pools of water everywhere, Diego skipped past several players and slotted the ball past the keeper like he was playing on Wimbledon quality grass, Maradona while behind in all the records was a phenomenal force of nature, if I had to select one of them for a team while both at their peak, it would be Maradona every time.
But GOAT debate isnât answered by questions like âif I had to select any one of them for my team â
Messi is statistically and factually better than maradonna
Has had a longer and a much better career
For maradonna you will have to always add context like âmessi never faced challenges like maradonnaâđ
@@BrotherBernard-yy4yd but that's a different discussion, I accept that Messi is way ahead in the stats. It's similar with the Federer v Djokovic, it could be argued that Roger is the more naturally talented player, but No ak has played longer and won more tournaments, an achievement in itself to maintain the desire to win.
@@geoffnelson6756 exactly
Maradonna can be more gifted , but his career is nowhere near the level of messi bro
And I am not talking about individual honours , just the trophy cabinet messi has , maradonna would wanna come back to life again to match it
@@BrotherBernard-yy4yd It's two debates, GOAT, that's Messi, best footballer ever, and that's Maradona.
Feel like messi has had three maradona careers. Messi didnât put it all up his nose and won champions leagues too.
Messi had three careers, but no Maradona careers.
@@smoothcritical1 Maradona was a far superior player. Compared to everyone, not only to Messi.
@@smoothcritical1 PelĂŠ played only in America. Quite never in Europe.
It was more farward then play-maker. So it's normal to score a lot.
Anyway: I am not talking about the best scoret of all times, but the best player of all times: Maradona.
You forgot Burruchaga in Maradonna's 86 WC team. An amazing player without whom Maradonna would never have won the WC.
Burruchaga was at best average nobody has ever compared to maradona's 86 performances
@@asifiqbal9547 It was not average, you are just a nostalgic merchant. Burruchaga scored the winning goal and played very well along with Valdano in that WC. But probably you are watching just the hype around Maradona and that's why you think that Maradona comes close to Messi. :)
What a joke which club did Buruchaga play for?? Nobody remembers the guy don't know where you be watching football stick yo googke statistics Messi wouldn't last 5 mins in maradona's era and this is congratulations from professional ex footballers Messi geys alot of protection defenders can not tackle anymore hence more goals even Ronaldo they would not get the numbers in the 80's Maradona was 40% fit and and led argentina to the 1990 final Messi's ass would split if he played 40% fit even at Napoli he win the best league in the world with a rick bottom team beating the likes of Inter juventus and the greatest club team ever Ac Milan whilst Messi had a star studded team around him like Ronaldinho Neymar Suarez the whole team was world class đ so talk to me when you have football knowledge stop getting info from Google stats my boy.
@@asifiqbal9547 regardless of how well Burruchaga was. If he did score that winning goal, Argentina might not have won. Which brings me to my original point of no matter how great the player is, you still need a few side kicks to help you win. Just like how Higuain ryined it for Argentina and Messi in the 2014 WC. Or Messi woyld have had 2WC titles now. Maradonna was lucky to have had the right teammates when he blussomed.
@@nebunudesalam8191 lol so u think maradona aint close?
I totally forgot Messi âretiredâ from international football. So glad that he changed his mind.
Another time he spat his dummy out to get someone sacked
@@patrickbateman9850 đđđđ
@@patrickbateman9850 Huh?
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 he retired purely to get the manager at the time sacked
@@patrickbateman9850Doesnât matter now, he came back & won everything that he possibly could with Argentina.
Besides his 30 games and broken leg at Barca, Maradona played his club career at Argentinos Jnrs, Boca, Napoli and Sevilla.
Messi has played his whole club career for arguably the greatest club team of all time, surrounded by the greatest facilitators the game has known.
Messi undoubtedly has the better career but Maradonas peak as an individual during the World Cup and subsequent years at Napoli
is unparalleled. Not even Messi has the same relationship with the ball as Diego did, it was supernatural at times.
He battled alcohol and drug addiction and the most brutal career ending injury during his shortened career and is still in the conversation
for the greatest ever. Thats remarkable in itself.
So i guess its down to what you prefer, you cant lose either way, they are clearly to me the 2 greatest footballers ive ever seen for differing reasons.
Ps. Ally is right about that 78 team, it was a better unit than the other 2 winners.
It was but I still think on paper the 94 side was just as good if not better a shame maradona was kicked out and the effect it had on the team.
Can you imagine what Maradona could do with the era of none contact football and the modern advances in pitches, balls, boots, recovery, training lifestyle etc.
Maradona would wipe the floor
@@nickright7747 and tactically adept
Maradona no doubt was world class..but in this era he would of had to work alot harder..would of played against better oppositions and let's let's honest.. he wouldn't run around players like he used to because people like walker would just run past him and take the ball...in Maradona time you rarely had many rapid players..hence he was able to run past people and they wont get back... today every team Has 2 or 3 at least...messi is clear of Maradona...of course people will disagree with me but I'm not saying Maradona wouldn't still be world class..I'm saying messi is better...
Could you imagine how bad the fitness levels of players back in maradonas day ? Players used to smoke at half time đ. Maradona was great but when people try to talk about the pitches back then ⌠they should also talk about how poor some of the defenders were and fitness. Players are absolute machines now and very fit with maximum nutrition and sports science. What Messi is doing is very difficult in todays football.
Platini had greater goals to game numbers than Maradona. Maradona would not match what Messi has done for almost two decades, not having it.
@@samc5588 Thank you. đ They love to compare pitch conditions but never mention the standard of athletism in the game then compared to now.
Messi performing at an elite level for nearly 15 years
Fool. He started age 17. 35-17= 18 yrs
@@Steven-bc7wk fool. He wasn't playing at an elite level at 17. Appreciate you're math.
If you could create the best footballer imaginable and have him for one tournament it would be Diego Maradona in 1986. That version of Maradona is better than any version of any other player to play the game.
By farâ¤
The 2 main differences are in Maradona's era it was brutal, the defenders were violent and dirty, the pitches weren't as good but in his era there weren't as many good teams - lots of average teams and players, and think about it, some players didn't train as much and there was a drinking culture rampant too, so the defenders weren't very athletic. In Messi's era every player is a top athlete, every team at world level has everything nailed down, super nutrition, training, coached well. I'd say it's much harder to stand out as great in this era - so Messi edges it. Messi would've dominated in any era but Maradona couldn't do what he did in the 80s against today's defenders and teams.
Then you come to their respective stats of goals, assists and trophies and there isn't even a contest there....
I agree. I would also like to add that coaching/tactics are far more developed now. Itâs harder for top players to be successful long term because their game is analysed through and through.
Also, Messi, now, has finally come through as a true leader like Maradona was. That was the only gripe I had with him and he eventually came out with flying colors. Kudos to the Greatest Footballer that has ever lived!
Nonsense
Messi was at the top level for too long to not be better than Maradona.
Maradona did it an era when there were lots of great number 10's/forwards - Zico, Socrates, Romario, Careca, Caniggia, Batistuta, Platini, Van Basten, Gullit, Matthaus, Klinsmann, Rummenigge, Baggio, Rossi, Vialli, Savicevic, Hagi, Stoitchkov, Francescoli, Sosa, Aguilera, Hugo Sanchez etc. and he stood out above everyone else.
The best forwards of the past 15 years have been Messi, CR7, Neymar, Suarez, Lewandowski, Muller, Benzema, Zlatan, Mbappe and Haaland - I just don't think the quality is the same now but the forwards are more prolific as the rules have changes massively in favour of the attackers, ironically due to the abuse players like Van Basten, Baggio and Maradona endured from defenders during their careers.
If we look at defenders too - Mardaona faced the likes of Scirea, Gentile, Cabrini, Tardelli, Baresi, Maldini, Tassotti, Galli, Costacurta, Bergomi, Ferri, Vierchowod etc every week in Serie A. Messi's biggest challenges in Spain were when he faced Pepe and Ramos at Real Madrid or Godin and Gimenez at Atletico. Again the quality of defenders just isn't there today and they aren't really allowed to be physical and get takles in or tackle from behind like they did back in the 80s and early 90s. The Butcher of Bilbao broke Maradona's ankle with a brutal tackle and never received a yellow card! Claudio Gentile fouled Maradona 23 times in the 1982 world cup match between Italy & Argentina and never received a yellow. Gentile admitted that with todays rules he would have been sent off inside the first 20 minutes of that 1982 World Cup match.
Finally, each team could only field a maximum of 3 foreign players. Hence the Spanish and the Italian teams would try and sign the absolute best ones available, but there were several to go round. This resulted in lots of fairly well matched teams. Bilbao and Sociedad were able to win the league in Spain in the 80's. In Italy there were 7 different Serie A winners between 1983 and 1991 when Maradona played there. Napoli and Juventus were the only teams able to win Serie A twice during that period. Now the top sides hoover up the best players resulting in scenarios where you have one-team leagues in France and Germany, two-team league in Spain with the odd exceptional season for Atletico, Juve winning 9 Serie A titles in a row from 2012 to 2020 and Man City or Liverpool rarely losing or even drawing a game in the EPL. 80 points could be enough to win the EPl back in the 90's whereas now you need 96-97 points at least. Only 3-5 teams can realistically win the UCL whereas back in the 80's and early 90s teams like Steaua, Red Star Belgrade, Porto or PSV could win it as they were able to keep hold of their best players until they were 25 to 27 years old.
Messi has had the luxury of playing in the best Barca ever with the best players of that era in a 2-team league (Zlatan, Etoo, Henry, Villa, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Pique, Dani Alves). He then joined a team operating in a one-team league with some of this eras best players in Neymar, Mbappe, Marquinhos and Verrati. He hasn't done what Maradona did in taking Napoli, a team which avoided relegation the season before he arrived, to Serie A titles, Coppa Italia and Uefa Cups.
100
Might I add Lionel Messi committed tax fraud!
For me itâs maradona based on his time at Napoli no other big player would that.
Messi is a genius Diego was from a different planet
As was prime messi.
Messi: Superhuman
Maradona: Supernatural
That's it pretty much!
Maradona by a country mile. In 1986 when the game was physical and the pitch at the Azteca was awful at best, Maradona played on another level to all the great players on earth. Maradona won that World Cup for Argentina. Messi not in the same league as Maradona. Remember Maradona won the world cup for Argentina when the game was dangerous for attacking players and Maradona won two Serie A titles for Napoli who were similar to Leicester. Maradona won the league twice and the Italian Cup and the European Cup Winners Cup.
Also Maradona grew up in a slum and had nothing. It frustrates me greatly that people put Messi in front of Maradona. Yes, Ali youâre right the â78 team was a better all-round team.
Messi, couldn't duplicate the Maradona 2nd goal against England in '86. Pitches, were terrible, balls and boots were heavier. Messi, couldn't carry Napoli to two Serie A titles either.
Messi is in a different league on any aspect of the game, creating,dribling,scoring,producing football. For someone that understands football, there shouldn't be a debate. For others, they should stop being nostalgic merchants. :) Just one thing, Messi scored from outside the box more goals than Maradona at Napoli, and that sums the big difference between them and that's not even the strongest point. As I said, Messi is a couple of levels beyond Maradona.
Typical Ronaldo fans in the comments. They know Messi is better than Ronaldo, so now they have to downgrade Messi.
Sometimes talksport can get on your nerve with its mindless debates but then comes Laura Woods and then it's talksport in my searches all over. Wonderful Presentation
It's crazy how the narrative has shifted from Messi Vs Ronaldo...to Messi Vs Maradonna everywhere now! Finally admitted Messi is better than Ronaldo?
Always. That was overhyped rivalry
I have loved watching them both. Maradona had freakish ability and did things I've never seen before or since....Messi is sooo close. Argentina are blessed to have had two absolute legends.
Because of my age, I lean towards Diego, as he was so unique , so special. Messi is arguably more consistent . Maybe even better at free kicks. ...oh I don't know.
Ive seen both play- Maradona was more aggressive and flamboyant, demanded the ball at all times to make things happen and orchestrate on the pitch. I love Messi, class act - but for me its Maradona cause of his unparalleled technical wizardry with the ball, intensity, superior leadership and topnotch playmaking ability. Both legends will be talked about for generations to come, that is for certain.
Not superior leadership. Young team mates are willing to die for him. You say, he's not a leader? He's not a loudmouth. He leads by selflessness and example. Messi is well above Maradona.
@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 well of course because the majority are quite a bit younger and see him as a idol and a legend of the game which he is, Maradona would inspire young and old but not because he was Maradona, because he was one more part of the team. He didn't make you feel like he was your superior or you were beneath him, and neither does messi but Maradona had a different aura to him.
Messi has been to more finals, world cup and copa america scored more goals and more assissts in both as well as all his individual awards.
Maradona was a good as messi for a 4 year periods messi has been the best ever for 16 years
Like comparing Mozart to Beethoven.
Spot on....haven't heard it said like that b4
Maradona definitely he was a flamboyant and exciting player and character.đŚđˇ
Maradona was the 86 and the 90 team. He dragged Argentina into the finals of both world cups kicking and screams off his own back. I would like to see Messi go to a bottom team in the EPL and inspire them to the top. Ronaldo canât do it at Man United. He just lost interest.
Maradona was at his happiest building momentum in a team that every one looked down on.
Donât get me wrong all the three players are off the planet but no one can touch Maradona.
Messi has just won the world cup with team mates from mediocre teams like Brighton, Aston villa and Sevilla. Messi has scored 98 goals for Argentina against Maradona's 34 and 706 club goals against Maradona's 310. Messi scored twice in a world cup final. Maradona never scored in a world cup final. Messi won the Copa America. Maradona never did. Messi won 4 champions Leagues which compares with 1 uefa cup for Maradona. Messi won 11 league titles in Europe compared to 2 for Maradona. In Messi's best world cup he scored 7. In Maradona's best he scored 5. Messi is far better than Maradona.
@@wonjubhoy I would not call the current Argentinian squad a bad squad. Maradona played with worse players in 86. It was basically Maradona vs the other teams and somehow the got them to two World Cup finals. Maradona was at his best when he played with mediocre players because he lifted everyone around him. The inspiration he gave is not reflectIed in the statistics. I cannot imagine Messi or Ronaldo openly seeking out a bottom dweller team like Napoli that was looked down on by everyone and lifting the team up and the city to the top.
Maradona was in a league of his own. He was not a two dimensional card board cutout. He talked the talk and walked the walk. He was a true superstar back in the days where there was no social media. He was followed and hounded by the media like Princess Diana or Michael Jackson.
By saying this I am not dissing on Messi, Ronaldo, the Original Ronaldo, Cantona, Croyf, Pele, Henry, Zidane, Platini, Rossi, Mpappe etc. They are /were phenomenal players but Maradonna was the best of the lot by a far margin.
why would anyone in the UK want Argentina to win the world Cup? especially if you're of a certain age. it totally baffles me. give your heads a wobble
That was 40 years ago fella under a different political regime (over there). Best to let that go.
@@richardjones8699 not just the politics, but they are ruthless cheaters to get the upper hand. Maybe those born inb he early 2000s are not privy to this.
@@pauladdae3130 that's just a football game - that I watched on TV. Best to let that go as well.
Hilarious how people who've only seen highlight of Maradona are apparently so sure he's the GOAT. đ¤Śââď¸ Messi will be remembered by almost all as the GOAT after he's long retired. It's are weird thing but so many people have such a lack of appreciation for what they witness whilst its still active that they only acknowledge its greatness after it's gone, you see it in football in particular.
Didnât maradona through a league for the mob so juventus would win?
Well... the stuff that's there in his highlights is pretty much sufficient to put him on top of everyone to be fair. đ
The dude had more football iq and raw technical ability than anyone since he was 17-18, which is bordering on the abnormal and the things he did in the 1986 WC and that Napoli team playing the hardest league ever in the hardest era ever, i.e. 80s. Kind of takes the cake for him.
totally wrong the media hype for today's footballers is a joke. Maradona is the best ever followed by Cryuff.
yet there's many people who wasn't even born to witness Maradona play and seem so sure he's not the GOAT when they've only seen highlights of him
The hilarious part is the teeny boppers and millennials whoâve watched Messiâs entire career and follow all of his socials and call him the GOAT but theyâve never watched a single full game in which Maradona played and dismiss him based on a few highlight reels! The same people like you who watch highlight reels of emerging talent and call them great before theyâve learnt to kick it as professionals.
If Maradona played with todays rules and protection as well as modern day pitches and balls heâd double any stats Messi finishes with at the end of his career.
Maradonaâs footballing ability was from another planet. How is this even a debate? One guy won the WC single handedly and single handedly took his country to another final 4 years later. On both occasions he had average players around him.
Messi on the other hand has played in 4 previous WC tournaments and hasnât done jack until now and hasnât scored more than one goal from open play yet. Even if he wins this one he wonât come close to Maradonaâs achievements. This little man is one of the greats no doubt but heâs played most of his career with other greats such as Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldiniho, Neymar, Suarez, Villa, Mbappe etc. In this current Argentinian squad heâs got the likes of Di Maria, Martinez, Alvarez, Lisandro etc i bet you canât name any players that played alongside Maradona other than C.Cannigga and Bouruchaga! Hell you probably donât even know who those two were. This is such a dumb millennial debate. You guys consume too much social media tripe. Get some fresh air for ffs đ
Missing Messi at Wembley is one of my greatest regrets as a fan. For me he's second only to Pele.
So hard to choose but for me its maradonna - and look at who was around in his era - platini ,zico , Adair, baggio , classen, rummernigga , Rossi , butragueno, van basten
Matadonnas not on messi level messi didn't have to cheat to win copa or world cup or anything else he's won
The two best for sure ,for me its Diego
the two best ? messi is not even in the top 5.
@@flaviushonoriusemperorofro3903đđMessi is hands down top 3 ever what are you smoking
@@baptistelleshi8099 top 5 is diego, pele, croif, puscas and george best.....mesi to put him in the top 10 is very generous suggestion....LOL.....u see pele and diego were never GIFTED a world cup like that one messi got for free from his boss in qatar last year.....
Messi is Maradonna everyday!
Only people who watched both Maradona and Messi can provide who is the best. Maradona all day long.
Maradona by far. In his era football was actually a physical game and there were a number of very top class players in that era unlike now.
Crazy brain.. for how many years maradona performed consistently???
Hahaha easy said then done , in contrast to your comment here. The modern footballers have better physicality and well prepared for any opposition. In term of longevity, Messi has been dominating modern football era over more than 15 years. Thus, Mess is # GOAT for many reasons.
@@arviethakur1217 Your mum is a crazy brain but I digress.. Maradona's consistency spanned a number of decades with multiple clubs unlike Messi's Barcelona comfort zone.
If messi wins the wc he has done everything maradona has done times by 100 maradona was great for 7 games
'very few top class players in that era' You've kinda just handed the win to Messi.
Maradona
We have to also admit that maybe 25% of the goals Maradona scored will disallowed in the modern game.
why?
@@hbsblkk3842 Offside or souls during the buildup to the goal.
no bro
Football is gone backwards in standard in the last 10 years.
Messi is better than maradona. Watching messi is like watching maradona every week for consistently 15 years.. thats why he is the greatest of all time.. no player in the history showed us stats and performance together except messiâŚ
Messi plays incredibly well ALWAYS. But never as Maradona.
@@smoothcritical1 so in 60 games Maradona has an average of 40 gol in a season.
Considering that in 80s were scored half number of goals, to compare different eras of football, Maradona had an average of about 80 goals in a season against the 73 goals of Messi.
And Maradona's goals were also of a much better quality.
@@smoothcritical1 if you want to compare different eras, you have to use coefficients. Otherwise, numbers have no meaning.
So Messi 73 goals/season and Maradona 80 goals/season đ¤ˇ
@@Casini1 how can you tell me ?? Bro⌠messi played as dribbler, scorer and playmaker.. show me any player who plays st midfield and have 700 goals⌠nobody bro
@@smoothcritical1 you can have the coefficient making a proportion with the number of goals of each era. What you call arbitrary is simply mathematic đ
Messi > Maradona
Outright cheaters canât be considered the greatest of all time.
Maradona all day long
The debate between Messi and Maradone is plain old stupid. Opinions doesnt matter, the stats and achievements between the two will tell Messi is light years ahead of Maradona.
Maradona is better individual player than Messi. Itâs not even close. If Maradona was playing today he would be unstoppable. Imagine Maradona on carpet like pitches with more protection and lighter balls? He basically be 2 steps ahead of everybody else. as good as Messi has been, he has been on great teams. The Barcelona teams are in conversation as one of the greatest ever at club level in Europe. You donât hear about Napoli teams Maradona played on as been one of the greatest ever. Most of Messiâs time at Barcelona was a 2 horse race then he goes to PSG for a 1 horse race. The Inter Milan, AC Milan, Juventus, Roma, Fiorentina, Sampdoria, Verona made winning the Serie A a lot more difficult for Maradona and Napoli
Maradona without question for me! Messi is immense and rightly right beside Maradona but Diego armando Maradona is the GOAT imo
"eye-catching",,, I think Angel Di Maria might have something to say about that one Ally, he has being magnificent every match he has played this world cup.
Maradona is the greatest, I agree with Ally, look at the pitches he was playing on, he had no protection from referees like today. The teams of 1986 and today were ordinary but they had 2 geniuses that made the difference.
I agree with Ally, the 1978 team were the best team, they had some great players.
If Maradona was playing today, there would be no talking about Messi or Ronaldo and he would set new records and would have broken the world transfer record for a player, he was and always will be the greatest of all time.
Diego is the greatest!!
Maradona: done as a major force at 32.
Messi: ascending to the top once again at 35.
They didn't have the same nutrition plans and fitness equipment back then that they have today.
@@maxpaws3977 Not sure how much fruits and vegetables could've combated the cocaina
@@maxpaws3977 You're not allowed to do a few cheeky lines now either. đ¤ˇââď¸
Messi: has one goal from open play in knock out games at 5 world cups and that was against the mighty Australia!
Maradona scored the greatest goal in world cup history vs England and followed that up with what most people believe to be the best world cup performance of all time vs Belgium in the semis where he scored two goals, one of which was another amazing solo effort.
Got nowt to do with age or longevity. Maradona grew up in a slum and played as a professional footballer aged 15 in Argentina. Life was hard and football was hard. Your comment sums up your knowledge of the game and history. Besides Maradonaâs performance at the World Cup in 1986 was out of this world. Messi could only dream of hitting those heights.
Messi could of retired 10 years ago as the đ!! it's crazy how at 35 hes still dominating at the highest level. I've no words for him anymore
could HAVE retired*
I find it easy to compare, seen both in their prime, Messi wonderful, Maradona truly GREAT, Messi mesmerising dribbler at a time when you can't tackle.....and his change of pace is pleasing to the eye....but Maradona had everything and more....Maradona literally carried a crap team too....he was genius. For me the greatest I've seen in terms of 'Complete Footballer ' was Brazilian Ronaldo before he got injured.
Respect for some honest opinions, Messi is slightly better than Maradona, Pele, Ronaldo Nazario, Johan Cruyff. Have to accept it, whether we like it or not.
I'm soo sad Ronaldo is out of the running as the goat but he was selfish and a me me guy. Pains me to say that Messi is the greatest ever
If you were to teleport Messi back to Maradonaâs era, and have him grow up alongside Maradona, there is no question that Maradona would have ended up a towel boy.
Ally is right in the similarity. Neither the 86 or the 22 Arg teams are that great, and its Maradonna and Messi that elevate them. But the fact that both are built around those 2 has actually been a benefit to the collective. Argentina had incredible squads in both 94 and 98 but couldnt win. 2010 also was an amazing squad but as a collective failed. By the way, in 86 Argentina had a better target striker than they do now in Valdano. Legend of Real Madrid for many years.
Valdano was great a couple of years prior to the WC86. I think he was around 32 at the WC86 which back in those days was quite old. Mexican Hugo Sanchez and spaniard Emilio Butragueno were the star strikers in Real Madrid at the time of WC86. Burruchaga played in french Ligue 1 which wasnât in the top 5 european leagues at the time. Passarella was way to old to make much difference for Argentina in 86, and there was also the issue that he simply wasnât as influential as a leader as Maradona was. True that Valdano was a prolific player for RM, but that was earlier..
Pele...Maradona...George Best...
...That sums It all up Boys and Germs...
This is an Eternal debate just like Both The Legends Maradona or Messi are Eternal Players! Legends of Football!
People will only say Maradona cause they only watched him during WC's, so there's that Nostalgia factor. But Messi can do whatever Maradona can do but he has also been doing it for almost 20 years
Incidentally how old are you and how much of DM have you witnessed? People can't help not seeing footage which never existed in an age where football wasn't covered on TV much...people also base their opinions on former players who played in thar era
Pele maradona brazilian ronaldo
respect
Maradonna is by far the best. 86 side had a few players. 22 team all round good balanced team. Messi played with virtually the best generation of Spanish players for most of his career. Maradonna played for Coventry City equivalent in Italy and won SeriA. CR9; Zizou are in same bracket as Messi or better. Can you imagine Maradonna playing now and how they take care of athletes.
If Maradona was so great why didnt he held any records during his era? Im pretty sure it was other players who held records before Ronaldo and Messi break them.
@@Hima3101 He didn't care about records. Records are stats don't mean much, a great Barca side has helped him greatly to those records, what Maradonna achieved at Napoli beats any record. Federer is best player to watch and has titles. Doko and Nadal have more records. But who would you PAY to watch that makes the game look an art. CR9; Zidane; they had an art too. Most of the Brazil 82 side had more skillful players than Messi. He's a great player not GOAT. But it's only oppinions that mean we can have such diffsđ
@@shabiramin5681 my man records are bound to be made even if he doesnt wanted to. For example R9 was not the greatest goal scorer during his era but he scored the most goal for Brazil in the world cup. Even though Messi wont break Klose record at least he scored highest for Argentina. Thats what legends do they set themselves apart from other players.
The future generations that didnt get to watch Maradona will not remember him coz he didnt leave behind a record apart from winning wc86 and helping Napoli. Messi had many records and it will cemented his legacy for the future generations that didnt get to watch him play.
Maradona didn't play with same calibre of players or teams as messi
Maradona never played with Maldini or baresi read what i said
@@michaelwolden9340 Agreed! I misread
Maradona era un artista, ampuloso, exagerado y hermoso en sus movimientos. Hacia las maniobras imposibles.
Messi es la eficacia, eficiencia y la velocidad de ejecucion con una impresionante dosis de aciertos en sus acciones.
First off ....Laura Woods is absolutely gorgeous. Perfect comparison is what would MJ do in today's soft NBA? Maradona would be unplayable in today's game and rules. I don't think longevity is part of the GOAT debate in football as there is a reason that both Maradona and R9 have shortened careers given the physicality. Maradona was an absolute warrior to go along with the skill. Messi and CR7 wouldn't last in Maradona's era.
Maradona for me is the greatest player the world has seen. All subjective though
Probably the only thing I'll ever agree with Durham on. Messi is without question the greatest and I'd say that without him winning the World Cup
Putting two Argentinian players with the idea of denigrating one against each other.
Maradona the goat , what he did at Napoli was unbelievable. ..watch his performance against Belgium in the 86 semi final .The greatest at his greatest .
That Belgium side had finished third in its group, losing to both Mexico and Paraguay. Because in those days three teams of every four qualified for the knockouts, and with one lemon in each group, the group games were non-events. Belgium was not much of a team, and it shows how poor that WC was overall when they could reach the semis. In fact from the R/16 right through to the final, Argentina did not meet a signle team that topped their group. Any half decent player would have looked good against Belgium, they weren;t the Belgium that we know today.
Messi won the European cup and la Liga for Barcelona. Maradona did neither. Messi won the Copa America and the Olympics for Argentina. Maradona did neither. Messi scored far more goals than Maradona. Messi has over 100 goals for Argentina. Messi scored over 90 in 2012. Maradona was never as dangerous as that.
@wonjubhoy well maradona didn't play as many games for Argentina or career wise as messi, obviously messi is going to have more goals since he has more than double the games played for club and country. Not to mention messi played in a stacked team in a 2 team league for most of his career. I'm not trying to discredit messi but the fact a played like cristiano who is great in his own right but nowhere near as talented or as good of a player as maradona or r9 can match his numbers and accolades do you really think maradona or r9 wouldn't be putting up the same or more numbers?.
@@joserivera5007 no Maradona would not. Maradona's best year with Argentina saw him with 7 goals. Messi's best year with Argentina was in 2022 with 18 goals. Maradona's best season with Barcelona was his first in which he scored 23 goals in 35 games. Messi's best season was when he scored 73 goals in 60 games. If you look at goals for Argentina Maradona scored 34 goals in 91 games. Messi to date has scored 103 goals in 175 games. It is true Messi played more often but that shows he was capable of sustaining world class performances for far longer than Maradona. Messi has a vastly superior goals to games ratio compared to Maradona. Your own comments infer that Spain is a 2 team league. That makes Maradona's failure to win la Liga for Barcelona look far worse then. During the early 1980s Real Sociedad could win la Liga but not Barcelona when Maradona was there. After Maradona left Barcelona won their 1st league title for 11 years and reached the European cup final the season after. That tells you how little he was missed. One other thing Messi scored 2 goals in a world cup final. Maradona never scored in a world cup final. Messi is vastly superior to Maradona.
Messi is the greatest I have seen. No more âall timeâ debates.
I get this Messi thing, he has been around for a long time, great skills/goals, won lots of silverware, but Maradona created his own football language, inventing skills and techniques never seen before, Messi is using the language created by Diego and perhaps enhanced it a little. If you were handed an I phone in 1980 your mind would have exploded, if you are given an i phone 5 in 2011, you would think, yea a little bit better than the original, bit more reliable, but just wouldn't have the same impact of being decades ahead of your time like Maradona.
Maradona was beyond Messi.
Coisty is right, the 78 team was packed with 6 or 7 quality players
As a footballing team, the '78 team *was* the best !! Without Maradona, the '86 team would never had won, and without Messi this team go out in the group stage or last 16.
people are missing one thing when comparing mardadona to messi,
Yes both are mazing driblers but also different style of dribblers, for me messi is a reaction dribbler, and fast close ball control style, and maradona a bit more swagger like george best. but i prefer messi style is the ball looks to be glued to his feet at times
I never thought I would say this. But after what Messi has done this World Cup, if he wins it, then the debate ends. Messi will be the best player to ever play
Messi scored a goal v Australia (his first goal in a knock out game in 5 world cups) and yes he scored a bunch of penalties in Qatar also, but people are losing their minds. Maradona in 1986 was the peak of professional football. The nearest I have seen to Maradona's performances in 86 was Zico in 1982 and Baggio in the 1994 world cup.
Maradonna all day, everyday and twice on Sunday. Messi was never going to be able to drag Napoli to two scudettos
Isn't he dragging Argentina đ¤ what if he makes psg win the champion league as well
@@andrewwright4195 he isn't dragging, what Diego did in 1986 was Indeed dragging Argentina.
@@andrewwright4195 he make PSG?!?!?! Huh?!?! You comparing a talent laden PSG with an average Napoli.. come on bruh
He carried a mediocre Barcelona team to the La Liga title singlehandedly in 18 and 19.
@@GB-fk7eq messi done it for 15 years and still best player at 35 years old how is that possible
We all just fans with our favorites thatâs the truth. But when we ask professionals and ex players and coaches past and present 7 or 8 out of 10 say Messi. Itâs not that hard. Maybe a little painful especially if your fav player was Maradona and you witnessed that extraordinary flamboyant character live; but messi didnât need a âhand of godâ or performance enhancing drugs or medicines to drop weight quickly. Plus people talking about cocaine forgot that it also gives you a boost from what Iâve seen on tv đâŚ. I mean when Rick James or scare face took that trash they Turned up! What makes you think Maradona didnât hit some lines 15 minutes before a match???? đ And finally the longevity of Messiâs career! We used to talk about Ronaldo vs messi. Now mbappe vs messi, wow!!! And the defenders now a days are way more faster, smarter and technically sound! So maybe the pitch and nutrition is better now but so are the players. And idk Maradona was a little over weight conditioning would of been an issue. The partyâs today are crazier man And with his bad discipline lol đđ I love Maradona, Ada player, but I donât think thereâs a comparison anymore đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸
Ali, not Durham, is spot on -- on both counts (Diego vs Leo and about the '78 Argentina team being by far the best national side ever, even sans a then seventeen yr old Maradona).
Yep and Maradona won 2 world cup even if he din't play in the 78 it was always a big satisfaction for a young player like him to be part of the world champions team, but people always forget about this!
He did win world cup in Italy 90 as well just if referee wasn't so scandalous that time!
@@airzoomhuarache Absolutely true
Messi is stronger in his legs. There is no comparison, Messi used to run with players on his bsck. There are criminal foots on his shins that bent his bones. Maradona received many more, but Messi received more criminal ones because the speed of the game is x3.
Go watch Maradona's 5 gols in '86, then watch Messi's 5 gols in '22, judge for yourself.
It s one game left. Messi can still do something magical. đ
Messi is 35 lmao
Either Maradona or Messi but not Ronaldo, neverrr
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Maradona = messi + zidane
Messi misses stuff that zidane has
Zidane misses stuff messi has
But if you put both messi, and zidane together, you got maradona
Messi will never be what maradona was
Maradona was better with the ball than Messi. He got kicked to the floor because the ball was never taken off his feet and that was accepted. Imagine Maradona given the kind of space Messi is allowed.
Tells me he was far above the technique, tactical acumen and fitness of defenders in his era, despite not really looking after himself that well. Messi has spent his entire career having to get around highly trained 21st century athletic assassins, by comparison Maradona was up against Dave from the Dog and Duck.
Itâs just science tbh messi is a better player than maradona ever was n also maradona done it for 7 games
@@azapro911 LOL Assassin's listen to the way you gimps talk, absolute bellends cluelesness to the core lol
@@azapro911 Maradona faced some of the greatest CB's of all time clown including the two greatest DEFENDERS EVER and many more in that era, MALDINI & BARESI
Two absolute TITANS of the sport, collossus and made them look average, now go lie down and get mommy to make you some warm milk son.
@@shotgunshawzy Sorry if Messi has long since been better than Maradona in a much more technically difficult era and there's no way to ever argue otherwise.
Simon thinks people are talking too much about Messi. Meanwhile the network he works for canât spend 5 seconds without bringing up Messi
Simon is a hater
Messi has over 700 goals and 350 assists in his career... there's no debate. He's compared to the greatest goal scorers and the games greatest creators. A player usually excels in one area, he excels in several.
Yeah he's a great passer but don't use assists as evidence because Thomas muller apparently has 300 and I don't rate him as a passer
@@thefan974 Muller has no where near 300, where'd you see that?
@BluesFanUK Point is his quality of passes is what makes them great. Not the sheer number. That's more of a side note because I've seen a lot of great forwards who aren't great passers get loads of assists. Thing is you only know how good he is at it by watching his passes. That's what matters
@@BluesFanUK_ It says he currently has 294. Just check top 5 assistants at the moment.
Maradona was the best for many reasons, but I find it Interesting that people think Messi/Ronaldo are the best due to longevity? The reasons that is so is the protections they get, advancement in recovery of science, just look at the tackle Maradona received against the. Butcher of Bilbao.
Maradona easily imo. Half the things he done we probably never got to see where nowadays a simple Back Heel , a drop of a shoulder or even going past player is sensational.
Yes game the has evolved but the most skillful players of years ago were able to dribble and avoid tackles that players nowadays would see as GBH
âEasilyâ what a clown
@@CuntyMcCunter Wonderful watching players roll about holding their head when a finger brushes their face, or getting shirt pulled and rolling about holding their Shin guards.
Everything is in front of defenders now gimmie Terry Butcher, ,John Terry,Rio Ferdinand ,Tony Adam's over any of our CBS now.
reading this I dont think you watched a single clip of Maradona or Messi or both.
@@IASP17 oh silly me musta been Basketball
@@marcfrizelle7851 Lionel Messi is better passer and finisher. Only dribbling is comparable.
He is right about the '78 team being the best Argentina side, but they (and that World Cup) will always be linked with the brutal dictatorship that was going on at that time so the team gets nowhere near the attention it should because it's unfairly stained by off the field circumstances.
They had good talent and they won the wc but I personally think the 94 side was more talented and the best argentina side ever on paper.
@@joserivera5007 I don't know, maybe, it's impossible to say. Some Brazilians go on and on about their 1982 side with Socrates in it and I'm like meh... their 1970 side went through the entire qualifying campaign and World Cup unbeaten. I guess it just depends đ¤ˇââď¸
Yes Maradona played in an era where you received more blatant fouls, but Messi plays in an era which is ultra professional, players don't drink or smoke, even s*** players are in amazing shape and the thing that makes the difference is only footballing ability, not playing against a guy who was violent but had a hangover.
Messi has been fantastic, Maradona was from another planet, Maradona nr 1
Messi has had a longer and more successful career so i understand why people think he's the greatest of all time. But Maradona was outstanding in a different era where defenders were hard as nails and he'd be getting battered constantly but still ran through 6 players at a time, he wasn't a team player like messi but didn't have to be. Search for clips of Maradona and you'll all see how amazing he was with the ball at his feet, he didn't need 5 penalties to win a world cup.
I love Messi, but as he himself once said about comparisons with Maradona: "I'm not at that level."
How old was he when he said that? If they win the WC, there is no doubt who is the greatest.
The older Ronaldo without injury's would been up these players he was best player seen in is prime
100%. If it wasn't for the injuries, he'd have a shout for goat status.
Messi has been more consistently great but nothing has ever topped 1986. Diego scored goals in the QF and SF where he beat the entire team on his own.
As a Messi fan don't like comparing anyone with messi bcz messi is genius...only want messi to win wc,UCL, balloon doer..thts it...
Ali is a an amazing man