Loyalists - "Loyal to a past the British have left behind" (Documentary)
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- čas přidán 5. 02. 2013
- An American making an international documentary draws his conclusions from loyalists in Ireland, loyal from a country which is cut off from the mainland and has been forgotten by the British.
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Being Glaswegian, this is a sight I'm not unfamiliar with, and which I go out of my way to avoid if I know when and where it is taking place.
Go on the cellic
Pity a lot of other people don't do the same a lot of people deliberately stand watching the parade because they want to be offended fact
My entire weekend routine as a teenager was me making a point knowing where they would be marching so I could avoid them
This is Y Ulster is still strong while Britanny is going to be overrun by the Muslims!
But not when republican tail goes to celtic a foreign flag in yer scots hand
Its now 2021 , a lot has changed since this documentary was made .
Catholic Majority in the North
@@ulster-scot935 You need make sure it stays a WHITE majority.
@@ulster-scot935
I doubt it very much.
If both sides voted to their maximum capacity it would still be a Protestant majority
Take away the invitee votes by the Catholics in the last 30 years and they’d have no hope
@@infobeam1902Do you just ignore the census then 😂😂
Just as a note to the uploader -- Michael Ignatieff, the documentarian who made and narrated this film -- is Canadian, not American. In fact about a decade ago he was in the running for the Prime Minister's office in Canada.
Nova Scotia is the Ireland of Canada.
@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 Really? I have never heard that before.
What makes you say that?
I have friends in 'New Scotland' as I jokingly call Nova Scotia, to them anyways?
In case you think I'm at it. I promise you, I'm not. I have never heard this before. Any info I can pester them with?
Cheers in advance. 👍🏼
Well he should know better one to oust truddeau and two Canada is so pro ulster scots they practically bowed to us from the old country.d8scounted our meals and wanted to engage in conversation
This seems like a fascinating documentary. Is the whole programme up on YT anywhere?
In England we see all this as just utterly foreign this is certainly not an English thing.
Speak for yourself you self loathing pooof
No their god is football and beer not king and country or loyalty
"clinging on to a past that the British have left behind" what a perfect way of putting it, the loyalists remain in a country that doesn't want them out of loyalty to a country that has forgotten them, they actually have nowhere to call home, how sad, i almost feel sorry for them . . . almost.
You're Right But
I love to look at the comments on these videos to see how wrong people are about us, yes the Orange are clinging to an old idea, but they are a tiny fraction of protestants and certainly don't consider themselves loyalists.
The halfwits who make disparaging remarks about our people will never understand our people, they are to be pitied rather than scorned so don't be too hard on J.L.M...he's totally uneducated on this subject and in lieu of something accurate to say just made up a big pile of emotional shit and regurgitated it.
Hey Mr. O! Are You on Facebook? I am, so should You be! I am from Buffalo, NY USA north side of the City. I run a Loyalist group page on Facebook called "The British North American Coalition" I would love to recruit You and amplify Your Orange Pride or Your Loyalty to The Royal Union Flag which say much more than a Leftard in Britain ever can! They should be deported to America actually, that's what it was made for, Britain's rejects. Join Us but let Me know You're "Mr. O" when You do. GSTQ Mr. O! facebook.com/groups/213204089032021/
Stephen Edward Waterstram stevo as your dad said what are you gonna be when you grow up 😅
It goes both ways you will never see them as Irish.
Book Worm they don't seem to think so I think they are Northern Irish but Gaelic Catholic Irish will never see them as Irish Irish because they slightly ethnically and culturally different.
The battle of Boyne where the Dutch and Danish defeated an Irish, Scottish and English army.... King William didn't even commit his Scottish and English troops because he didn't trust them.
Ahhh , so that's where the orange in orange order comes from is it ?
Ulster Scots did no dying at the Boyne so they where cowardly nice.🤣
Love the bit at the end
How do you get a thousand orange men into a telephone box.?tell them they can't march there.
What is the name of this documentary? The link to the full film no longer works
Blood and Belonging.
The guy at 3.57 just thought fuck it and gave up
These people need a hug. From a big Irish American Catholic like me.
Outdated, outmoded, uneducated, stuck in the past, bigoted, ignorant, racist. A marvellous tradition and culture? A battlefield? Of drunks, swimming in puddles of urine.
😂🤣😆
William Wallace coming from William Wallace judging from your surname you would be on there side of the fence your Scottish.They are Ulster Scots
Summer AndLightning deep down they sort of like each other 🤐They work together and live in the same sort of houses and these days income and education levels are similar both sides are extremely religious and the Scottish and far Northern English and Irish are Celtic and tribal they sort of like it that way it makes life more interesting.
Irish American??? You mean plastic paddy.
An American, who's likes bore freedoms light...
Those protestants up to no good as usual
Father TED
This just sums it up perfectly. They are loyal to a past Britain has left behind.
Orange marches take place in Great Britain too. They take place in Glasgow and Liverpool.
Noodly are they common
William of Orange was a homosexual. It's good to see support for sexual expression from a conservative group
fergal746 William also under Pope thumb got his blessing making the orange lot taig sympathies.
I think you need to look at your history again.
@@swissnor The Orange Parades on and around the twelfth of July have long been a bone of serious contention and indeed a source of sectarian conflict in the Six Counties. Members of the Orange Order demand their unalienable right to march the Queen's highway, as their forefathers before them have done, in commemoration of the victory of King William of Orange at the battle of the Boyne - a victory (as the Orangemen see it) for religious and civil liberty. Nationalists, on the other hand, see the Orange Parades as nothing more than a coat-trailing exercise designed to keep the Catholic population in their place and to pound forward the message that Northern Ireland is an Orange state and that nationalists are and will always remain second class citizens in that state.
It is interesting in this context to look back at the events of just over 300 years ago and to analyse exactly what was involved in the war between William of Orange (King Billy as he is popularly known) and James II of England. This war - popular mythology would have us believe - was a struggle to defend the Protestant religion against the Roman Catholic Church. In reality, however, the Williamite War - in Ireland - was effectively a war between two factions for mastery over the Irish people. And far from being a war to defend Protestantism against the Catholic Church, William of Orange counted among his allies none other than the Pope of Rome - the head of the Roman Catholic Church!! The Pope and King Billy were in fact political buddies engaged in a bitter European power struggle in which Ireland's people - both Catholic and Protestant - were mere sacrificial pawns.
England - and even more so Ireland - were for William of Orange (the ruler of Holland) simply useful tools in his campaign to free Holland from French domination. James II of England had fled to France and to the protection of Louis XIV following an unsuccessful attempt to give all chief state offices in England to Catholic aristocrats. An alliance composed of wealthy landowners and merchants and the Church of England - alarmed by James' actions - invited his son-in-law, the ruler of Holland - William of Orange - to take over!
struggle.ws/talks/king_billy.html
@@rapier1954 I live in Ireland stupid.
I think a bisexual is more likely. Mary caught him outside Elizabeth Villiers room one night but he persuaded her it was innocent. William gave her much of James II's former lands in Ireland. It is true that he promoted handsome young Dutch favourites like Keppel and there was gossip about it. Whether there was anything to those rumours is debated by historians.
Perfect caption, honestly. Majority of people in mainland Britain are either ignorant to or embarrassed by this lot.
Ashamed by lack of British ness
I'm embarrassed.
Irish opionon never changes
Ulster is that alcoholic neighbour you try to avoid talking to.
@@jean-lucpicard5510 the embarrassing brother you hope won't show up when you have visitors
Well, Ulster is a fascinating part of the world, but with disturbing and troubled aspects...
Loyalism is the most insecure identity one can choose in the 21st century. An undivided support for one's monarchy is just naive.
Says a fool to ppl who know exactly what they about.ethnically cleansed by those 32 ideas
For the most part the smart people leave Ireland. Even a really exceptional person like Gerry Adams,elected to take his education after he had won the struggle, "follow me, I will get my education when we get there". My Prod family never attended the marches or lodges. They aced every exam in sight and left.
Well,we stood , for God and Ulster.
You sound like a snob.
One side wants a nation for one & all, the other, just for a certain type of "people"!! Summed up the facts pretty well..
@Digger Gardi Backwards & devious?!🤣 Can't be both idiot, as it takes intelligence to deceive.. But being a unionist I'm not surprised you don't realise.. You're used to being deceived!! 😉
@Digger Gardi What happened to end of chat?! True face of republicanism.. Proving a bigot troll wrong, as you're type normally are.. 🤷♂️
@Digger Gardi 🤫😉👍
@@stiofanofirghil1916 You need to remember that for 40yrs innocent men, women, children, grannies and grandads of both religions were slaughtered at the hands of Republicans, the same people who want a 32 Country on their terms. So you might be able to accept that a lot of folk both green and orange wouldn’t be in a hurry to change things. So it’s just not Unionist uncertainty. You would be very wrong to think otherwise.
@@ononewheellad Agreed.. Although that's not the point here.. The Republicans want a nation for one & all, regardless of religion or race, & the Unionists stance is a Protestant Northern Ireland, for Protestants only!!The province was gerrymandered that way from the beginning, but the tide is actually turning.. That's what I meant.. Even if your point is valid, there wouldn't be enough to make a difference in a vote probably..
You can see in the comments why these people can't afford to take a chance on a united Ireland
Your paranoia is funny. Shouldn’t you stop being scared of someone who doesn’t want to hurt you? You’re a child afraid of ghosts.
Very well put!
1:24
“LOL”
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he is Canadian,one time Harvard Professor and later Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada,Michael Ignatieff.
"Category: Comedy"
love the guy sleeping @ 3:52
It's already begun 2022
They've been having cheese and pineapple on a stick for hunders and hunders of yares !!
Ur just being unreasonable. Mrs Banfield! I - Mrs Banfield! U - Mrs Banfield! Mrs Banfield!
😂🤣😄😅
All old bones and rotten rags.
They are still fighting a battle in the 1600s because they haven't understood anything that's happened since then.
Jesus it really is a time warp looking at them. "Loyal to a past the British have left behind" sums it up perfectly
Well who wants to be so advanced they have abortion to order. Denounce the faith but ira can use it for confession never atoned for massacres never apogy.. Who wants that.. Give us good orange men n kilts any day
Poor lads suffer from EDS (Empire Deficiency Syndrome)
an archeology lesson !!
Just a thought, but do not the RC community now not have the majority in both Belfast and Londonderry ?
The so called majority they have in Londonderry, was achieved by Ethnic cleansing of Protestant families over a period of years.
@Rusty ShacklefordWhere did you get that idea? In 2011 census Belfast was 49% Catholic and 42% protestant.
It's DERRY!
@@scumhater1690 It's DERRY!
A past that the Welsh wanted nothing to do with 🏴
Don't put your nose up to much Welsh lewellyn and all that was over keen
As an Italian, I don't understand how my people, my fellow citizens could believe that the only problem of Ireland was the IRA and Catholicism... I can't explain myself this
1:22 LOL!!!
I'm from the 'south' although I'm not a catholic. In fact I'm an atheist. Your comments in relation to religious ideology highlights your lack of vision. The 'standard of living' you mention is inaccurate. While I was growing up I didn't need to keep looking over my shoulder to watch for armed criminals - no matter which colour they claimed to represent. In the 21st century we have come to terms with life today, and to leave the past as a page in history. Orange order displays such as this are a sign of insecurity, and a tacit acceptance that time is running out. Barking at the moon is a well known sign of increased desperation. The future of Northern Ireland will not be in the hands of religious extremists.
That guy giving the sermon, doesn't sound like a servant of God to me.
They know they don't belong there and aren't wanted anywhere else either and that's the problem. Constantly preaching about God and practicing hatred and sectarianism
@@MsRustynuts You really could include Priests in your post. That’s not me trying to be funny either.
very truthful commentary
bless them
they are on the run
Their culture consists of celebrating a 330 year old battle and that’s pretty much it! Dinosaurs living in the distant past.
@Digger Gardi the only reason there’ll be trouble in the future is because these people won’t move with the times and they certainly won’t accept a democratic border poll if it goes against them. They offer nothing but a pig headed attitude to go back to the days of a Protestant province for a Protestant people, and those days are well over!!
@@corkboy4523 well said lad👍👍👍
@Digger Gardi pretty much the same that’s going on at the moment with the loyalist paramilitaries mouth pieces pretty much saying the same thing. They all voted for brexit thinking they’d get a hard border on the island and it backfired. Now they tell us that the outcome of the democratic referendum which gave them the result they voted for is “incompatible with peace”!
In other words if it’s not removed they’ll get violent! Does that sound like hypocrisy to you?
@Digger Gardi well suck it up lad cos the protocol is going nowhere and the clock is ticking down to a border poll, all thanks to the tories that don’t give a shit about the loyalists and the brexit ye all voted for 😁🇮🇪
What weird bunch these lot are imagine hating your neighbour because of Dutch King Willy 500+ years ago battle.
They aren't hateful,it's the other side who hates and demonised them.
@@jdlc903re, "hate", "demonise": Not so! Fact is, Nationalist, generally, regard Orange men as their, misguided, fellow countrymen. Irksome antics at times but "hate", not at all.
The Catholics are the majority in NI and it is only a matter of time until ROI comprises 32 counties
Says whp
@@joprocter4573 Says the majority in NI
Terry you forgot to add up all union ppl.
@@stephenhalpin6221 that fact has not been established. If you going by votes that is not true
@@joprocter4573 I’d imagine Nationalists outnumber Unionists by quite a sum. Haven’t heard or seen many people say no to a United Ireland up here.
You just pity their ignorance and bigotry, don't you?
A people without a place,,, Ireland is a temporary home for them
What about the slave trade Britain was involved in, the millions that died in India through the British taking all their resources from their people, exporting it home and leaving the native people to starve. What about the Irish famine? What about the unjust wars today Britain are involved in with the USA?
Funny they pretend they arent irish yet they use the red hand of ulster a gaelic irish symbol
It's 2023 and the Catholic population is in the majority in the six counties, Sinn Fein are now the majority political party on the island and in Stormont, apart from being the biggest political party at local government level, so things really have changed over the years.
Not that sinn fein. Will do much with it
No they retain British rule in their hearts
What year was this?
2001
1713
What would an american know about our culture. We fear no one. We will always be loyal and proud of our heritage and culture. Why don't you make a video about the usa refusing to leave Guantanamo and how your country treats the poor people of Cuba
I'm an American from Buffalo, NY USA. I believe The Orangeman were the true society in which built the Anglosphere both Empire and the Republic the U.S. America. Most uneducated Secular Americans are aloof to such realities. They are The Owners of everything with an Orange and Blue labeling on it! Keep Your Eyes peeled! I do! God Save King Billy!
Culture??????? What culture??
@@StephEWaterstram Stephen stay where you are. There are enough hill billies in Northern Ireland without importing you and your family.
@@StephEWaterstram You’re an American and you’re talking like that? You are a dork.
Yeah, the difference is many Americans admit our faults, recognize them, and try to change. Talk to an Orangeman from Ulster and they’ll deny any wrong doing, get aggressive, get emotional, and try to deflect the issues they’re facing by pointing the finger at other people. . . pretty much like what you just did. lol
They have to accept the world has changed no one can stop time!!!!
Apparently time means nothing to Irish Republicans.....they're still holding people responsible today, for an invasion in the 12th or 17th century.
Hypocrisy on a grand scale.
@@Drifty40 So Irish Republicanism born after the Troubles not responsible for IRA terrorism.
Who exactly are these "native irish" of which you speak?
This is a clip from the documentary Blood and Belonging: Journeys Into the New Nationalism by Canadian author, academic and former leader of the Liberal party of Canada Michael Ignatieff which is in turn based on the book by the same name. So much for getting your information right Protestant Irish Republican.
Headline is true. We in England left that past behind over 300 years ago. We live in the present and look to the future. What sect of Christians you are doesn't matter to sensible people.
Steve Gray Then bring them back to Britain and get on with Brexit also hurry up with Brexit Ireland wants to see the UK go bust fast.
Robert Kelly I don't agree with Brexit but that's how the vote went. Catholic or Protestant didn't come into it, neither did Islam or Judaism. Religious rivalry used to justify hate is a disgusting thing.
Robert Kelly UK go bust ? A bit like Ireland did whilst in the EU and the UK had to loan Ireland £3.2 in 2010? It won't be paid till 2021.
@@RobertK1993 why do you have so much hate? You are just as bad as the protestant
but in response to the Indian Mutiny were soon deployed to India. The regiment with a strength of 990 plus a depot of about 100 embarked in July 1857 in four detachments. It arrived in Calcutta in November. By 25 November 1857, 6 companies had reached the front, 4 at Cawnpore and 2 near Futtipore. ... so what were the irish doing in india
I was just quoting the what the Canadian guy in the video said. Northern Ireland is still under British occupation, yes. But, if you talk to the everyday English person, they don't really care about N. Ireland, they don't even really are about Scotland or Wales either for that matter. Northern Ireland is one of the last remaining outposts of the British Empire.
Expand the empire again star with Ireland then africa
@@highvalueproductions7655 t
@@highvalueproductions7655 - maybe he should attend a Hibernian Walk.
part of ireland..ulster is irish.
Its part of the island but Ireland is also part of the British isles. Does Ireland belong to Great Britain?
+Restore Rhodesia No only the 6 counties of the north east of it. Rest has been independent since 1922.
+Restore Rhodesia Great Britain refers to Scotland and England.
+Restore Rhodesia By that logic Ireland owns everything in the Irish sea.... Ulster is not part of the UK as Donegal is in Ulster and is part of Ireland not NI.
Counties Cavan and Monaghan are also in Ulster but not in the Divided Kingdom.
us Brits dont want NI as part of the UK it rightly belongs to Eire
You are NOT a Brit, you`re ENGLISH!!!!
correct
I'm English and don't speak for us all, NI is British. You're a traitor
@@scumhater1690 He's probably not even English, he's some taig pretending to be English.
@@fyrdman2185 You are a knobhead
great comment
*loyalist catholic I meant Britain doesn't even want to say in Ireland ask my English friends
Are most of the Protestants in NI of Scottish heritage?
Maybe if more English men were as loyal as us the place wouldnt be such a mess
You'll never beat irish 🇮🇪
Loyalism Englands greatest failure 🇮🇪
Well wasn't it a Scottish initiative (plantations)
It’s a mixture of simping for 1690 and WW1
So they're only Brits when you're shouting "Brits out" and you won't allow them to call themselves Irish, who are they to be? What is their identity? There will never be a peaceful unification if you discard them like their shared experience within their community is meaningless and you try to strip their identity from them.
Both sides passionately believe in their cause...compromise people...
@@paulritchie5868 "Brits out" is a reference to the British Army in their war with the IRA. The Good Friday Agreement facilitates for all identities, be they Irish, Northern Irish or British. No one's identity is being denied. It's really a matter of individual choice.
Nobody is denying them the right to be called or call themselves Irish, as they are entitled to have Irish passports, most of them want nothing to do with anything Irish and declare themselves as British although no such nationality exists.
The plantation is over, why don't you go home!
poor old farts marching again and again with no strategic perspective. Loyalists are getting older and bitter and the refurendum one day will put an end to this fake rituals. Amen.
Doesn't surprise me
Can’t wait for a United Ireland
Better be a croppie fighting for what is right
pilgrims ..times up
a dying breed
This looks like Micheal Ignatieff.
bunch of fannies
A bit sad.REALLY ... I almost feel sorry for them... ALMOST....
try living in a town surrounded by them and you lose all pity.
@@manephewlenny6401 there hanging on by a thread 🧵... I think deep down they no.. that big brother doesn't want them anymore
Time for them to go home, it's over.
Oh well, that`ll mean we`ll get rid of all the plastic paddy`s we have in Scotland! a fair swap!!!
No I think if a United Ireland ever happens, and they realise its not so bad, we can turn them into fellow Irish citizens. But its there decision. Theyve been fed stories about the Irish being a threat to them for centuries. When they see it isnt true, maybe some will accept the result of a border poll if it doesnt go their way.
Where is their home if not Northern Ireland?
@@alexgray2482 Scotland.
No surrender.
Are you a Nationalist or a Lunatic?
Very strong sense of belonging no doubts about where they belong a strong connection to their past, and firm foundation for the future.Their enemies have long predicted their downfall.
We are no different to other British Ness in Falklands. Even HK.. cyprus
No...I think I'll stay thanks! :D
The mad men.
Masters in someone elses house! ..What a nerve.
"The need to belong". What?
I guess the need to belong comes from childhood but as you get older it's usually the weak and insecure that cling to it.
"weak and insecure"...tell that to Roman citizens or that of the Japanese. You seem to think it's strong to be rootless and blown around in a self consumed narcissist bubble. Belonging to family for one isn't weak, but a matter of self preservation and that course orbits out further and further. Whether that's greater kinship groups or community, to that of a nation, nature abhors a vacuum and what better than to fill it with something that has long lasting value attached to tendon and bone, rather than that of shallow slogans and crass materialism ping ponging around in one's head in a state of shelf life decay.
@@snoozeyoulose9416 When Borris builds his bridge, they can March back to Scotland from whence they came, and where they'll feel most at home. it's over there that they won't have to worry about being abandoned and they can parade their orange up and down the streets till the cows come home.
You will find that out if there is a unit Ireland. as the republic of Ireland has moved on and probably dont want the nationlist.of Northern Ireland. no matter what it is a different way of life.
Cling to what?
British and Protestant? these two words don't go together in Britain, most Britons have no religion.
Time these Scottish colonist need to realise they are in Ireland and please stop saying Ulster. 33 percent of Ulster is in the Republic and 3 of the 6 counties of Northern Ireland are majority Irish.
4 of the 6.
Forgotten by the British ?
What nonsense !
Northern Ireland citizens, account for a large contingent of the NHS and British armed forces......Northern Ireland was strategic during the war in the North Atlantic and continues to be so, in these unstable times.
Northern Ireland is visited every year by Royalty..........Hillsborough was re named Royal Hillsborough only last year by the Royal family. Just a few of the facts that contradict the narrative of maker of this vid.
Mate....they do not give a fuck about unionism. Been thrown under a bus many times over the years by the Conservative and Unionist party but yet you (plural) keep running back to insert your tongue back into their crack like a loyal dog when all they want to do is beat you away with a stick. Unionism is a busted flush and I have to say I relishing that fact
@@ck1643what do you mean by unionist party? As in conservative?
Do you know where the Orange Order was founded?
Danny winters hole
In 1795 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughgall
Against stupidity even the Gods contend in vain!
Yeah they just leave out their loyalist catholic like :L I don't really care they will go soon enough
Before you slag Britain off, just you remember how you treated your own people in the Magdelene laundries.
You do know that the first Magdalene laundries were opened under British rule? And they weren't all run by the Catholic church either...
Read the other guys comment + brittish killed more the a million of us don’t play the victim
ignatieff os canadian, not american.
There are two problems with ur thesis.Firstly it is not the role of constituent parts of the UK to determine the membership of the Union,but rather the right of each country to decide it's own future;hence next year's referendum in SCOTLAND.The second problem is that in Northern Ireland all surveys carried out suggest that less than 20% of the population would choose to leave the Union if given the chance.Our constitutional issue is settled;our battle now is that of mutual respect of cultures!
"Respect" A Good and "valid point" 👍
We've got them on the run
*GOD SAVE KING BILLY on The Wall!*
King Billy was backed by the Pope at the Battle of the Boyne.
@@rapier1954 *Oh Snap!* So much for the Catholic James II.
@@StephEWaterstram IT had nothing to do with Protestants and Catholics. James was opposed by his son in law William because he was an ally of the King of France and William was trying to kick the French king out of Holland completely. The Pope and Italy also were against the King of France.
Aye We king billy. God forgives nancy boys.
@@rapier1954 Do you know why? ,because the Irish church had become independent from Rome.
Britain has always had a civic rather than an ethnic notion of nationhood.
I hate this kind of statement. A blanket refutation, without any explanation or evidence, topped off by an uninformed personal insult.
I can't think of any time when the notion of citizenship was ethnically orientated - even in the Middle ages.
@@vandpubsell I would say the scientific racism against the Irish would count. I’m saying this as a Scot.
@@poundlandbandit6124 But even when such thinking was prevalent, no one denied that the Irish were citizens.
1:28 🙋🏼♂️⚡⚡
This needs to be overdubbed with music by the Village people or any really gay music.
I'm not sure ur arguement holds water either logically or historically.If it was OK for the Scots to oust the Picts from Caledonia & get "themselves" a home,then what is the issue regarding Scots coming to Ireland?And surely the Scotti who remained in Ireland should have been exiled;but they were not hence the present RC Ulster-Scots communities of the Glens.But that's what it boils down to;religion; & the fact that returning Scots had different beliefs;hence we now debate along sectarian lines.
French religious wars kids identify as 3 musketeers.. Sharpe movies of wars.. Coventers back n forward to Scotland. This land broke of with what was Scots. English. Welsh then pirates from Spain to mediaterian pillages our mixed heritage homes and call it Ireland Irish and now have gall to tell union folk go to england
Up here in the capital Dublin, Orange culture will be perfectly amicable facilitated in the inevitable united Ireland. The Irish tricolour symbolises peace between the two great traditions on the island. As an Irish nationalist, aspirational republican and heterodox Christian, I look forward to the day when I can enjoy a Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland parade along Chesterfield Avenue in the Phoenix Park, past Aras an Uachtaran (ex-Vice Regal Lodge), without protest from unthinking dissidents who appear unable to read progressive subtext.
+pkelly345 Thanks! The problem with some strands of Oranegism is that they totally underestimate the all embracing nature of republicanism, which is entirely capable of embracing and incorporating their culture into a agreed Ireland, and to take their place in driving it forward. A provincially federated Ireland confederated to a federated GB is the optimum compromise constitutional formation.
Ignatieff is a Canadian, not American.
Tristan Laing He sure acts like an American.