How I swapped a Volvo16v head and kept 8v bottom end. Guaranteed secrets to successor your moneyback
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- čas přidán 29. 10. 2019
- How I did a 8v to 16v conversion. A redblock and whiteblock mix! We go on a deep detailed close up tour of my 505 whp b230f with a b234 head on it. I explain my experiences, how I went from 8v to 16v, what parts I used, and the difficulty I have had switching from Volvo 8v to 16v head swap experience tips and secrets.
In the video I said "this bottom end has had two major episodes" . Truth be told , its had three with the Air filter sucked through the Precision turbo. That is where 98% of all the carnage is from, on aq171 head, around combustion chamber, and on raised edges of the Wiseco pistons. Bits of turbo impeller were the origin. Dyno run was a month after that carnage. Look at the chip on the number four piston!! Golf ball dimples work! :) Wagon mafia in full effect!
Did you know you can find these heads in boats? They are considered Penta heads if in a marine application, and specs are just a touch different.
Special thanks to Yoshifab, for the billet gear at $200 , what a steal! ( heavy sarcasm) My car cost a hundred more. Lol. See pinning the crank video On how to actually fix the problem after spending ass loads on a stupid gear that really doesn't fix the problem of the soft keyway shearing. I feel like ipd volvo turbo had a part in that (I paid double) ridiculous price gouging. That keyway, crank gear and harmonic balancer are huge performance issues that need to be modified for higher powered applications. Upgrading just the gear will not fix the entire issue. Please Don't let these companies convince you their part is worth it, when I have proof they are not. Especially when you run a b234+ turbo, or a b230f+b234 head+turbo.
We used some Simple Green, some Husky tools and did a PB Blaster test. We got all the parts and supplies from Oreilly's auto parts.
We took some pictures at "White Rock Country" In Houston Texas, with the Houston Texans with the Volvo turbo out the hood.
This is a sloppy mechanics Volvo with zip ties on cars, like fastbrixs uk or fast bricks uk, with engine swaps like the aq171 volvo penta, a diy Turbo World engine swap.
You will be in for a surprise at the end, so watch it all until the end as to not be confused, and keep your Turbo World by subscribing and share like bell to see what my next move will be, Thanks for watching!
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agree. definitely like your presentation style, could of kept watching for a lot longer. The way you talk is just normal and not douchey or like a know it all, just matter of factly and like a normal guy
Incredibly well made, presented and documented video. Love it.
Thank You.
GREAT Narration, sir! I love my b230ft, interesting info and great pictures. thank you!
Great video. I have two 240s, getting a third soon... the 16v is really intriguing for a NA Rally build.
Gathering information Kris....I've been chatting with you about swapping so I got to learn from the man himself!
Great job man....
Looking forward to more videos.
I appreciate it!
amazing quality content, you deserve a lot more subs!
Thanks! Not sure if I deserve more, but sure would like more! Your sharing, shows you care, help us get out there!
Good vid, I’m doing the same conversion, Wasn’t aware of the crank pulley issue. Thanks
No problem. Thanks for watching.
Really like your presentation style! :)
Thanks Nat Margetts! Trying a few things.
@@TurboWorld You're definitely a natural, will follow future builds if you upload more
@@Wobsmangbaffler new videos every Wednesday!
Great video!
Thanks Oskar Emchen!
YEESS!!! I plain on doing this conversation with the B230. N/A with 2 48mm Weber carbs on the side.
That will really sing!
Cool thanks for all the good advice!
No problem, please share to get the information out to people who need it! Thanks for your support.
"lets get this starty parted, gots lots to discuss today, VOLVO POWER"
"If this is your first time here"
Bloody great video!! YES!!!
Thanks Brother!
Great demo on the 16v. The 1972 B20 is definitely a copy of the late 60s euro 2.0 Ford Escort. I'm not knocking it, heads and parts are interchangeable up to 1992 on Ford Lima and Volvo B19-B234. I think I would buy one of those kits to put a steel pin in the new pressed on balancers and put one on either side of the balancer and a single on all the pulleys. They are a snug fit, have to tap them in. Stud loctite on the crank bolt. You will have to heat it with mapp gas to take it off, but will never have any slop like half moons and the bolt will never come out without heat. I'm thinking about building a Ford 2.3 with a Volvo head for a Merkur Sierra RS 500 clone. Someone is trying to sell a B234 head from a AQ171 Volvo Penta with inserts in every exhaust, corrosion all over it, and bent valves with no camshafts. He's only asking $1350, totally ridiculous lol. I can get a Cosworth blue top head bare for that with no corrosion. I'd give him $350 for a bare corroded B234 head if it was pressure tested. 4 inserts and it has to be pretty thin in places.
Your idea is on point! I love the old Cossies and Merkurs! That price is ridiculous for a corroded head. I wouldn't pay more than $400 for one. But they are hard to find. O i did your idea, but before you commented. :)
What do you think? No kit, Just wit. Thanks for the comment, much luck with the fords!
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Thanks Tom segura!
lol np!
interesting to hear your experience with the 16V head, have opted to build a B314F myself(103mm stroker crank instead of the stock 80mm and 2nd overdim pistons from ACM.se), but naturally aspirated with 4x50mm throttle bodies (itb's) intake valves are 38mm and exhaust 32.5mm as well as the head is ported for some extreme flow. in sweden they run these kind of builds with higher comp at e85 for rally at close to 400 crank hp, but i have opted for a 11.83:1 comp (low comp) for 95 octane fuel and daily usability
You running the aftermarket billet piece? That's a really fantastic engine. Sounds like a monster in sheep clothing! Thanks for your support brother!
@@TurboWorld yes i was planning a 8 valve head porting and penta crank but the build had a tiny snowball effect.... so billet crank and forget H-rods and pistons, acm recommend a high flow oil pump for bether lubrication and the crank and piston kit has a 8k rpm limit before the pistons will suffer from lubrication starvation, so the rpm will most likely be cut off at 6.5-7k rpm to maintain reliability, so my hope is low 300 wheel hp from the NA engine going thru a bmw 6 speed diesel trans so i get closer gearing.
no turbo for me as i dont trust myself with boost that can be turned up ;)
@@Stale_Mahoney I cant wait to see it scream. I do hope you plan to put some videos up while building and driving this monster?!
@@TurboWorld i certainly do, the problem in these carantene days is sadly the bench, getting it tuned is postponed for good knows how long because of the virus... so i hope this summer it gets up and going. dont want to do anny on the road tuning as the stroke length means the car is quite sensitive if it was to experience ignition knock. will be using MAXXecu street, as it has all features needed and is by far the more popular(here in scandinavia) and easily use program, so i can have a bit of a fuel saving setting and 1 power tune, it all goes into a rather matt red volvo 740 sedan that will maintain its patina, for sleeper status.
@@Stale_Mahoney sounds fantastic! I bets its gonna rip the streets!
16 valve can fit b21. You need to cut relief cuts in pistons. They offer rental tool online.
I Recently compared head gaskets and saw it would work, thanks for confirmation!
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b234 :)
Not sure if it already exists, but can you do a video describing your engine breakdown on this car? I'm building my b230ft and would love to know your setup because it seems to be holding up well!
It is holding up better than i ever thought possible. This is the closest video to the breakdown video of what all the car has. But you are right, I need to make a video of the ingredients of the build. Will do soon!
I forgot to reply with the video I made for your comment , my bad boss! czcams.com/video/vY5gYQg_4NU/video.html
The newest, quick engine build, then the dyno, then the drive. I think this was more what you asked for, let me know. czcams.com/video/MeiYnu4MjqI/video.html
The Red block os considerd to stard from the B21 since it got SOHC instead of OHV
Awesome content man sorry to hear about the valves. On a somewhat related note have you ever heard of anyone sourcing a b204ft/gt cylinder head in the states for a b21ft bottom end?
I have not. Often wanted to do the same. B23ft is next closest thing!
@@TurboWorld Good point if it is impossible to get one that's probably what I'll end up doing
@@kylesharp9771 why so dedicated to b21 out of curiousity?
Turbo World I own a 244glt with a factory b21ft (non intercooled until recently). But to answer your question the idea of a b21ft/b204ft hybrid seem like a fun project plus the b21ft short block I have was rebuilt not too long ago.
@@kylesharp9771 parts are scarce here for them, but they are strong ! B230f are much healthier available choice now, as the b21 are so old. However, I wonder how much a b21 can be bored out to? It may be the best candidate for overall huge power. But not sure.
what EMS are you running? Can you go in depth on the electronic set up of the swap?
Microsquirt, a few videos about it in depth here. Just hit microsquirt in search engine for my channel, to see, or click here czcams.com/video/jmaOeECRaPY/video.html
8V FTW
Thank you for the videos. So, what is the best solution for a harmonic balancer? Thank you.
Pin it and use factory balancer, or order from Sweden. I did a video about it, before or after this one. Type " pin crank" into search engine at top of my page, it should pull up my videos about it.
Link of fix video in the description of video, or here. czcams.com/video/Pi4cOqB8sDk/video.html
Red locktite should be tried first , you usually need heat (400°C) for it to let go . I've snapped bolts because they were locktied and i didn't know it
The aq171 was the 16valve 2,5l marin engine and not the 16valve head that came on the B234.
Yes Indeed. I use the term to classify the parts as most others do. But to be specific, as you put it, you are correct. According to Dale of Tbricks, and I Quote "Not really. Matt and I had 3 16V heads here. They all had different numbers. One was a 532, I believe one was a 1262 and the third one was something different again. I believe the 532 was the AQ171 head and I'll confirm that the next time I look see it. The AQ171 head has a different combustion chamber then the B234 head we have. The 171 has more of a pent roof, the B234 has more of a gentle curve to it. Not substantially different, but different just the same..
I'm thinking on putting a 16v head on my B230FK squirter block. Would you be able to give me some pointers?
Sure.
Hi. Did you have to change the ecu to do this conversion? Or are you running standalone?
Hi, Yes, yes and microsquirt. But, i didnt have to, my high hp goals required it.
did you have to make any changes to the ignition och kams setup?
Yes i added a few things to go with the microsquirt ecu, -Ls coil packs
Hey, maybe you can tell me what kind of tensioner you used? Want to put 16 head on FK, but got some questions about belt and tensioner.
Its a mid 90's dual cam vw, maybe a sciroco or however that is spelled or possibly a golf. The belt is a 1997 850r 5 cylinder timing belt. Hope that helps!
Did you used some kind of adaptor for pulley or tensioner? Or its kinda plug n play? @@TurboWorld
Plug and play, i roughed up the surface of the head to grab it better and used Locktite to make it stay, when i remove the belt i never mess with the tensioner i always remove idler pulley instead. @@eduardsbelinskis3869
The Lost art of has 3 chips on the site. Which one would be for the b230 16v swap?
Probably be best to ask him, as I am not sure. I used a microsquirt ecu and fabricated it all, and tuned it all .
Do you have a part number for the tensioner? Please
I don't, but it's a mid 80s doch vw. I had orielys commercial look it up for me. If I remember , I will check for part number tomorrow.
I have been looking on forums, FB, CL, and calling salvage yards for a b234f head for a few months now- looking for a stock head. As you probably know there are none to be found. Do you have any advice for someone on where to look for one? Thanks.
Marinas, boat yards, they are hard to find in general. Took me 3 years to find one, and 3 more years to use it.lol.
I know of a country full of penta boat engines . Il keep it to myself tho :P
@@robivlahov I'm not mad at ya!
So after watching this the Main question I have is. what about valve to piston clearances? Do i really have to get new pistons? any other options? can i modify the dished b230 pistons?
Yes you can modify the stock pistons. I got laughed at for starting with na junkyard engines and shaving a few mm off the tops of the pistons, then weighing them to balance them. Some use a valve relief jig that can be made. Others build the engines with forged Wiseco pistons for b234 with the 4 valve reliefs cut. I have done all these methods, including not cutting one stock na motor and just slapping the 16v head on it and it worked. But that was a lucky case of a virgin non shaved block and a virgin non resurfaced head. But it is possible.
Use chewing gum and check your clearances by bolting them together and spinning them over, or clay, or silly puddy. Or even a borescope attached to a phone. Many different options here, great question!
@@TurboWorld wait? I thought turbobrickers were about making it work correctly on a budget? My budget has been blown off the charts! I don’t think people realize what they are getting into.
@@volvosruinedmylife yeah little things can add up real quick on a budget. that's why I did silly things to na motors, because they were dime a dozen about 20 years ago. Every day these cars get older, the parts become more scarce, and expensive as a result.
@@TurboWorld these cars feel like the 60’s muscle did in the late 90’s, 00’.
I need one head 16 v
He's like the scotty kilmer of the volvo world
Scotty got the market covered! Also he's in houston too!
1995 240 B230F? Volvo ceased production of the 240 in 93. Also, FYI, many 94+ B230F and most B230FT blocks had squirters.
You are correct, I got my years wrong, it was a 93. Thanks for the correction!
@@TurboWorld Thanks for the video.
Have had over 40 volvos and the engines are good engines that can take alot of abuse.
I have been buying parts for the same swap for a while now. So far I have a 16v head it allegedly has about 80k miles on it and has 2 new exhaust valves. It still needs to be gone through I think before I do anything else with it. I have Rsport hbeams and custom Carillo pistons with the valve reliefs and 8.1 compression. I still need to find a block and get all the Yoshifab swap stuff. Problem is I can't find anyone willing to work on it or put it together and I have never done anything this big on an engine before. Local shops just want me to put an LS in it instead but I don't want to do that.
Buy a Haynes instruction manual and get to it.
Ship it here to Houston. I have worked on a few out of state builds.
@@TurboWorld Thanks man, that sounds like a good idea. That is something I will most likely do when I'm ready. The head definitely needs to be taken apart and put back together. Their are a few problems with it. Not big deals but somewhere during its life it appears someone tried to widen the intake side a little bit. Probably not such a bad idea because it looks like there is plenty of room and I'd likely have to get a custom made manifold for it to work properly in a 240 anyways. Also my nephew a few years ago put some Legos inside of it. I'm pretty sure I got them all out but some Legos are small and there is no way I'm trying to run an engine with a possible Lego and metal shaving from someone trying to widen the intake side. It was kind of my fault I should have never stored Legos in the same room as my 16v head. A kid was bound to get curious and mess with it lol. The intakes don't seem to be wider really they just seem smoothed out a bit. Still concerning unless everything comes apart cleaned maybe port/polish and all back together.
@@willriley1619 pretty common on marine heads to get pitting real bad on gasket flanges on intake and exhaust side. I always check mine out at machine shop. I surface the exhaust flange, the intake flange and the head surface. Have yet to run into a perfectly straight one, on any of the three surfaces! I have rebuilt 3 , 16v heads so far and replaced valves guides, seals and valves, in current one I run. I made some special tooling to work specifically for the 16v Volvo head. Same for 8v heads, resurface all three surfaces. Get rid of gasket issues, immediately, buy surfacing both manifolds as well for extra Moose Powers.
Meanwhile guys in the fosterland keep saying "Våga Vägra 16V"
You are mixing up 8V and V8 😂
You should drill and pin the crankshaft gear
I did. Video link in description above or here.. czcams.com/video/Pi4cOqB8sDk/video.html
@@TurboWorld okey Great! Have you had the problem since that?
@@oskarjoakimson no Sir.
Okey great!
For you and others information.
Its an common issue if you dont have the correct crankger/pully for the 16v. It differs a few millimeters.
Another problem is if your pully is unbalensed or to big.
Be carefull on revlimit and 2step.
Good work and nice engien mate!
@@oskarjoakimson thanks for the info, watch more of my older videos where I cover all of what you are talking about, which you are right, it's need to know Information!
When you watch, you will see, this engine lives on two step and rev limit , ha ha. Thanks for your comments and information Volbro!
Do you know of anyone whos done this from 10v to 20v on a b5252s whiteblock from the 850s? I'm trying to sort out my engine and that might be the way I go
I have no idea on that, sorry.
@@TurboWorld Okay no worries. I might be attempting it myself.
@@TheKreattion would love to hear how it goes!!
@@TurboWorld Yeah if everything works out as it should I'll happily let you know. I know the whiteblock and P80 cars in general have more going on electronically but this video game a lot of insight into things that might need to be considered when doing my conversion.
I've got a little fun fact for you too. The 16v motor actually was developed by Volvo Penta, their marine division. Then they realized that the 16v motor makes good power and put them in their cars.
Lovely nive💕💕💕💕
What is CAS?
Cam angle sensor.
@@TurboWorld thanks mate.
this head fits on some ford motor as well, i think the ford pinto? anyway!
You are right.That and the Ford 2.3/ 2.2 in the mustang svo and thunderbird, and merkurxr4ti. But it has to have an inch or so welded on to it.
Yep , you can use the Ford head too , harder to find where i live , but easy in the us
What do you like better the 16v head or the meth head?
E85 is awesome. Don't trip. Methanol injection has its own place, of course.
A 1995 240? 🤔
Yeah, I fudged that part. 🤷♂️
@@TurboWorld I was gonna say "I don't remember there being any after 93....lol" 😆 I just started cleaning up a B234F head to revalve and plane that will go into a 93 240 bottom end (squirters 🤘) and then get a turbo and stuff.... Then mate it to a CD009 trans and put it into my 1970 142. 😎 I still need to come up with an idea for a 74 145 I have too. I could just go B230F swap for easy reliability, but I also have a B5234T4 engine sitting here. 🤔🤔🤔🤘