Harry Kane Debate: GOAL RECORD or TROPHIES?

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  • The lads on The Kick Off debate Harry Kane's future.
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  • @Elladis366
    @Elladis366 Pƙed rokem +172

    Do people remember Alan Shearer for winning the premier league or for being the Premier League's greatest goalscorer?

    • @S0L12D3
      @S0L12D3 Pƙed rokem +29

      Exactly!!! Nobody will remember Kane going to Bayern cause all that makes him is a sellout

    • @StringerBellz
      @StringerBellz Pƙed rokem +25

      Once someone passes Shearers record he will still be remembered for winning the title. What will Kane be remembered for when his record is broken?

    • @swarnendubhattacharya6132
      @swarnendubhattacharya6132 Pƙed rokem +13

      the reason why he is never considered better than guys like wayne rooney and thierry henry are those trophies

    • @tsampson6660
      @tsampson6660 Pƙed rokem +1

      This really is the key point - and only 29 likes. Shows how people miss the point so badly. Maybe you should say something meaningless like 'I am a diverse person and I think racism is bad' and get like 10k likes instead.

    • @oliverfrost2430
      @oliverfrost2430 Pƙed rokem +9

      @@S0L12D3 in no way would him going to Bayern Munich make him a sellout
 sorry that’s an insane take.
      He won’t lose his legendary status by leaving to seek a champions league. Henry certainly didn’t.

  • @onne8
    @onne8 Pƙed rokem +104

    We have a really recent example of what goals amount to:
    Mbappe at WC final. Scored a hat-trick yet no one looked sadder that night.

    • @Jgarthebeast
      @Jgarthebeast Pƙed rokem +4

      thats a world cup man not a league title. Thats a completely completely different thing

    • @James-co2nb
      @James-co2nb Pƙed rokem +1

      @@Jgarthebeast Yeah it's something that way less effort is spent on when compared to a league campaign.

    • @stephenparker8250
      @stephenparker8250 Pƙed rokem +1

      Terrible example as that hat trick won’t define his career. Kanes goals do.

    • @deleach18
      @deleach18 Pƙed rokem +1

      Terrible example. You act like Harry Kane isn't trying to win. He probably feels the same disappointment Mbappe did when Spurs lost the CL final or when England got knocked out.

    • @roronoalaw7772
      @roronoalaw7772 Pƙed rokem +2

      Mbappe already has a World Cup trophy so it’s not the same thing.

  • @anehmike1147
    @anehmike1147 Pƙed rokem +7

    Haaland has spent just a year in the pl and countless records are gone already.. records can be always broken that feeling of winning and gaining success for your efforts is the ultimate

  • @NiccFurious
    @NiccFurious Pƙed rokem +295

    Records are meant to be broken, trophies are forever

    • @Wolf-1211
      @Wolf-1211 Pƙed rokem +15

      Not enough people have the brain to have this mindset

    • @jammyjamjars6995
      @jammyjamjars6995 Pƙed rokem +1

      Tell that to the Intertoto cup 😂

    • @sven1966
      @sven1966 Pƙed rokem +11

      Id rather break the record. Who gives a fuck about a league titel if its not the EPL

    • @charliebrett2432
      @charliebrett2432 Pƙed rokem

      Unless they change the competition then your medal becomes obsolete

    • @Wolf-1211
      @Wolf-1211 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@sven1966 because that record will be broken, and you’d be forgotten


  • @08rogersa
    @08rogersa Pƙed rokem +70

    People are so fickle. If Kane leaves and goes abroad, they'll be debating if Kane 'sold his soul' for trophies.

  • @bullereye111
    @bullereye111 Pƙed rokem +28

    I don’t care what anybody says: Kane will not be remembered as one of the greats without major trophies to his name. All those goals and for what? For absolutely nothing! You cannot possibly tell me he’d be considered better than the likes of Lewandowski, Suarez, Benzema, Zlatan etc. once he retires. What do all those players have in common? They scored a lot and they won trophies doing it. Their goals meant something. Not just some number.

    • @tsampson6660
      @tsampson6660 Pƙed rokem

      No matter what Kane does, he won't be roundly considered better than those players.
      Premier League record scorer, England top scorer. and you say he won't be remembered as a great. You're funny.

    • @bullereye111
      @bullereye111 Pƙed rokem +4

      @@tsampson6660 He won’t, one day those records will be surpassed by another player.. and then what will be left of his supposed legacy?

    • @deleach18
      @deleach18 Pƙed rokem +2

      ​@@bullereye111 he will still be remembered as one of the best scorers of his era.
      Ken Griffey Jr. never won a ring and never broke the home run record but people still remember him for his sweet swing and how he played the game.

    • @thf3038
      @thf3038 Pƙed rokem

      @@deleach18 Its a bit like how everyone remembers the villa strikers who won the European cup in 1983. You know it was whats his name that guy?? Oh yeah that's right no one remembers him. But I remember who England's number 9 was at that time.

    • @allip2modsaresimpingdiscor284
      @allip2modsaresimpingdiscor284 Pƙed rokem

      @@thf3038 such a dumb comment

  • @p-money33
    @p-money33 Pƙed rokem +35

    Personal records solidify your legacy, trophies build it. Messi or Ronaldo with the same goal records but no trophies doesn't have the same impact

    • @do7137
      @do7137 Pƙed rokem

      couldn’t have put it better

    • @tsampson6660
      @tsampson6660 Pƙed rokem +5

      or you could be Isco, with god knows how many champions league winners medals and already forgotten for being a nothing part of that squad

    • @fede4740
      @fede4740 Pƙed rokem

      @@tsampson6660 forgotten by who?? by english fans . Every real madrid fan remembers him as being top 5 best midfeildrs in the world for a period of 1 year who helped madrid win 2 european cups including taking beznema's and bale's place in the lineup. Football is not basketball. Its not an individualistic sport. if kane has 0 trophies by the end of his career because he wanted to break sheraer's record, no one will give a fuck about such a weak minded footballer

    • @deleach18
      @deleach18 Pƙed rokem +3

      Kane is never going to be as good as Messi or Ronaldo anyways so it doesn't matter.
      They are unique in that they are competing to be the greatest of all time. This requires trophies. Kane is just a great player in his era. This doesn't necessarily require trophies.

    • @tsampson6660
      @tsampson6660 Pƙed rokem

      @@do7137 I fear for your future

  • @onne8
    @onne8 Pƙed rokem +21

    Imagine the number of goals he'd have by now if he'd joined man city in say 2016.

  • @thegrandpotato6014
    @thegrandpotato6014 Pƙed rokem +8

    Harry Kane leaves >> Spurs end up mid table >> Fans start uprising >> Levy resigns = Great Success.

  • @roronoalaw7772
    @roronoalaw7772 Pƙed rokem +3

    Records get broken, trophies are immortal so this is an easy choice. The only record I’d view as lasting the longest is Messi’s goals in a calendar year. I also think Ronaldo’s most goals in a UCL season will last for a while but not as long.

  • @charliebrett2432
    @charliebrett2432 Pƙed rokem +13

    Honestly - very tricky one. As a Spurs fan I would love him to stay but also as a Spurs fan I feel he needs to go. Whether that be abroad or to Utd that man deserves more than his goal scoring records. I feel that the Utd move makes the most sense for trophies and the goal record. But if he decides to stay I would not be surprised if he smashed the Pl record - he’s not ever 30 doesn’t use pace anyway and is only 50 off which is about 2 seasons. if he plays like lewandowski or benzema I could easily see him playing until 35/36 like them. That would probably mean barring any injuries he problem gets to around 300 league goals. Now in todays game with there being far less loyalty and with the allure of Real Madrid and Barca I think it would take a very very long time for anyone to break that.

  • @ttt2080
    @ttt2080 Pƙed rokem +5

    In modern football it would be crazy for Kane to finish his career and not have won anything. Back in the past when the super clubs were not as dominant and players did not move around around as much he probably would have won a cup or two with Spurs (like Glenn Hoddle did in the Eighties). Some players in the past we think of have won alot, did not actually win that much for example George Best won just three trophies with Man Utd (two league titles and the European Cup). But in modern football with the bigger squads, it would be mad that Kane did not win anything. Especially when you think of the squad players who barely played have won trophies in the last thirty years, (David May for example) or were just awful but were in the right place at the right time (Djimi Traore European Cup winner).

  • @chickensoup4347
    @chickensoup4347 Pƙed rokem +6

    Messi Ronaldo Lewa Benzema they all have trophies leagues UCLs etc but the premier league all time top scorer is such a unique accolade. And to do it at a club that’s won NOTHING is even more impressive

    • @vishnuanil9321
      @vishnuanil9321 Pƙed rokem

      Bro messi Ronaldo Lewandowski and benzema has won ucls and multiple trophies with goal scoring records also. Kane is chasing for goal scoring records but still has no trophies. It's better to have both

    • @chickensoup4347
      @chickensoup4347 Pƙed rokem

      @@vishnuanil9321 they have the trophies because they were a part of great teams whereas Kane has stayed at a mediocre team for most of his career

    • @Lil_tro_Vert
      @Lil_tro_Vert Pƙed rokem

      @@chickensoup4347 first off we shouldn’t even be putting kanes name in the same breath as messi and Ronaldo and they didn’t always have great teams but they still did what kane can’t and that’s carry them to a title with those average teams

    • @chickensoup4347
      @chickensoup4347 Pƙed rokem

      @@Lil_tro_Vert my point is that it is a unique accolade to have to your name, I’m not saying he’s comparable to Messi or Ronaldo. Those two have never played in a team as bad as this spurs team btw. 30 league goals in this spurs side is more impressive than 36 Haaland achieved in City’s.

  • @samhuggins2656
    @samhuggins2656 Pƙed rokem +6

    He’ll be remembered for having the record and no trophies to go with it. That’s his legacy

    • @tsampson6660
      @tsampson6660 Pƙed rokem

      He really won't though let's be honest. In 25 years, people will see his statistics and consider him a great. Obviously.
      There will be some little nerd that does his research and says 'ah but he never won a trophy', and nobody will care. See, football is a team game. That means a lot of it is out of your control.
      The fact that no player has ever scored more league or international goals in the league and international team he plays for cement him as a boss. Obviously. What are you guys on really

    • @josephkerrigan733
      @josephkerrigan733 Pƙed rokem

      @@tsampson6660 In 25 years, people will see his statistics and no trophies and consider him a flop. Obviously he couldn't perform when it mattered if he didn't win anything.

    • @XBR4Da
      @XBR4Da Pƙed rokem

      ​​@@tsampson6660 thank you! Mate I don't get how it's so hard for people to understand this 😅

    • @thf3038
      @thf3038 Pƙed rokem

      @@tsampson6660 Exactly. Everyone remembers Gary Lineker as an england legend and one of the best strikers of his generation despite having 0 league titles and 0 European cups to his name.

    • @deleach18
      @deleach18 Pƙed rokem

      @Joseph Kerrigan nobody but idiots will consider Harry Kane a flop.
      If Harry Kane goes to City and wins a title it will be like Kevin Durant joining the Warriors.
      I'd rather be like Charles Barkley and try to win it with your own team and fail rather than just take the easy way out. Nobody remembers Barkley as a flop, they remember him as a Hall of Famer who was very good but played during the era when M.J. and the Bulls won every single year.

  • @BlueBloodPenn
    @BlueBloodPenn Pƙed rokem +30

    Records like the League Scoring record mean next to nothing. It’s not like every single top goal scorer has played in the league his whole career. Guaranteed Shearers record would have been broken by now by plenty of people if they were here for longer. Trophies over records every time.

    • @JasonWilliams89
      @JasonWilliams89 Pƙed rokem +3

      You could say the same about trophies

    • @BlueBloodPenn
      @BlueBloodPenn Pƙed rokem +3

      @@JasonWilliams89 no you can’t. You win the league in a season no one can come along and re-win that season.

    • @JasonWilliams89
      @JasonWilliams89 Pƙed rokem

      @@BlueBloodPenn That has nothing to do with what you just said lol

    • @BlueBloodPenn
      @BlueBloodPenn Pƙed rokem +2

      @@JasonWilliams89 it’s an exact example. Regardless of the what someone else achieves you can’t lose trophies once you win them, whether you played for 15 seasons in the league or 1.

    • @James-co2nb
      @James-co2nb Pƙed rokem +2

      @@JasonWilliams89 You could, but you'd have misunderstood the point.

  • @Slim-MMA
    @Slim-MMA Pƙed rokem +1

    I’d rather break Shearer and Rooney’s goal records than win one Premier League as an average squad player.

  • @saransingh5872
    @saransingh5872 Pƙed rokem +1

    When a spurs fan is saying that their best player should leave, what debate is even needed?

  • @nareik1363
    @nareik1363 Pƙed rokem +3

    Awful players have won champions league titles and league titles, only the greatest players break these kinds of records

  • @mendi02
    @mendi02 Pƙed rokem +3

    kane is already a legend in history. top 3 strikers ever in the league. pl record or not. trophy or no trophy. he's still a legend

    • @thetruth4654
      @thetruth4654 Pƙed rokem

      hahaha nope

    • @mendi02
      @mendi02 Pƙed rokem

      @@thetruth4654 not ac milan talking 😭😭

    • @ZyXxOmAn
      @ZyXxOmAn Pƙed rokem

      ​@@mendi02 they are one of the biggest clubs on the planet, what do you mean?

    • @mendi02
      @mendi02 Pƙed rokem

      @@ZyXxOmAn inter own them

    • @ZyXxOmAn
      @ZyXxOmAn Pƙed rokem

      @@mendi02 doesn't change the fact that they are one of the biggest clubs on the planet

  • @4Bester
    @4Bester Pƙed rokem

    It’s more like running a marathon, having 5 miles to go and then deciding to go and win the 200m gold medal instead. Then maybe even add a 100m gold too.

  • @r.hunter2677
    @r.hunter2677 Pƙed rokem +11

    Important to remember than Shearer scored 23 goals before the premier league (as much as people would have u believe football started in 1992) making his total 283 so Kane would have to have at least 3-4 20+ goal seasons. I would rather score one cup winning goal over 300 league goals that ultimately achieved nothing. What will people remember.

    • @owenthompson5214
      @owenthompson5214 Pƙed rokem +2

      lol no, who cares that man city beat stoke in 2011 to win the fa cup?

    • @nicholasloduca6668
      @nicholasloduca6668 Pƙed rokem +2

      Okay, if we're going to play that game, then it's not even Shearer's record. It's Jimmy Greaves' and no one is touching that

    • @kwesietsibah2917
      @kwesietsibah2917 Pƙed rokem

      @@owenthompson5214 no one cares coz Man City have had sucesss afterwards

  • @puffin7285
    @puffin7285 Pƙed rokem +1

    Kane can go abroad for a couple seasons, get some medals and still come ack to the PL to keep going for it. He isn't a pace merchant, he will age better as a result. Maybe he goes back to Spurs or another club but Kane can probably go until he is 37 or 38. He still has 3, maybe 4 years in him if he goes to Bayern for a few seasons. And if he needs that 4th season at 38 yo to break it because he is 5 or 6 goals behind still you can bet there will be a club willing to take him. Even if it is a newly promoted Middlesbrough or something. The record can wait, his move to a league title winning club can't

  • @alexreddock
    @alexreddock Pƙed rokem +20

    He needs a league and/or a European cup. Just like Gerrard and Shearer. Unless you have one, you can never be one of the greats

  • @ITSO_official
    @ITSO_official Pƙed rokem +1

    IMO- the same people who think Kane should go for trophies cannot turn around and say the Arsenal had a better season than United. One has a Cup the other doesn't. I think it is a difficult decision- to be hailed as one of if not the greatest legend at Spurs or to have personal legacy? And also that is discounting if Kane wins anything at Spurs he instantly skyrockets his legacy whereas going elsewhere the trophy has to be more substantial. I think the NBA comparison is valid- a lot of their greats are considered that despite not having a ring and they are mentioned in the same breathe as the MJ, Kobe etc. whereas not every player who has won a ring is remembered. Will Kane be remembered if he goes and gets a trophy elsewhere? Who cares then? Equally it's important to have that medal for yourself- tough choice I wish him well whatever he chooses.

  • @zingrock
    @zingrock Pƙed rokem

    The guy can give his grandchildren a Golden Boot from the World Cup...

  • @therealpubby15
    @therealpubby15 Pƙed rokem

    The marathon analogy is gold, 10 miles left?! He may as well give up that’s almost half the race and he’s tired already carrying Spurs for most of a decade 😂

  • @markgregory2746
    @markgregory2746 Pƙed rokem

    Craig is to close to this conversation for him to not become overly emotional.

  • @DonWan47
    @DonWan47 Pƙed rokem +1

    Alan Shearer said he’d give up his goal records to have won an FA Cup or League with Newcastle.

  • @Dugiesrevenge
    @Dugiesrevenge Pƙed rokem +5

    Every season there are over 80 medal winners in the domestic competitions 
 one golden boot
 one record holder till your record is beaten
 it’s why shearers name is repeated weekly all over..
    The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It’s nothing of the kind. The game is about glory. It is about doing things in style, with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom.

    • @GuitarJammerJohn
      @GuitarJammerJohn Pƙed rokem

      It’s a good point football is about the glory and if Kane is all time top scorer he will always be remembered. People don’t remember more than half the players with medals but they will remember the player with the most goals it’s the reason Shearer is still talked about if he just won with Blackburn he may occasionally get the odd mention but not much.
      For example when comparing Ronaldo and Messi the first stat people go to is goals not titles. Players want to be remembered and Trophies are fantastic but fans usually don’t think about individual players when it comes to trophies they think of their team winning. People will remember Kane’s name but if you look at any team who’s won trophies if you go back a few years you can’t even remember half the players unless it’s the team you support.

    • @Dugiesrevenge
      @Dugiesrevenge Pƙed rokem

      @@GuitarJammerJohn 💯 % you look at some of the pony backup youth at Man U who won leagues in the Ferguson years etc


  • @smokey04b53
    @smokey04b53 Pƙed rokem +3

    While Dan Marino still has a few records, all the important ones have fallen since he retired. But he never won a Superbowl. Which do you think he regrets most?

    • @deleach18
      @deleach18 Pƙed rokem +1

      You act like he didn't try to win the Superbowl.
      Harry Kane tried to win silverware with Spurs, it just hasn't happened for whatever reason. They've had huge name managers, a big budget...it just didn't happen. It is what it is, appreciate Kane for the performances he gave us as an athlete, that's all you can do.

  • @nareik1363
    @nareik1363 Pƙed rokem +1

    Kane will still be at the top of his game at 34/35, he can break the record and then get a move abroad

  • @Hammerhead1986
    @Hammerhead1986 Pƙed rokem

    There's no way an individual award is more important than a team trophy.

  • @HonestWatchReviewsHWR
    @HonestWatchReviewsHWR Pƙed rokem +1

    I've never understood this argument. Just because a player wins a title that doesn't mean they are necessarily good... It just means that they were lucky enough to play for a successful team. Whereas being the top Premier League scorer of all time proves you are good. Jeremie Aliadiere won a Premier League title... Does that make him better than Harry Kane? Darren Gibson won one... Does that make him better than Steven Gerrard?

  • @tsampson6660
    @tsampson6660 Pƙed rokem +5

    Hundreds of players have won a trophy and been forgotten. Hundreds.
    Not a single player has ever been the Premier League and England record goalscorer and then been forgotten.
    Goodnight and god bless folks, this one was real simple.
    There is the very real possibility that Kane leaves and doesn't win a trophy elsewhere. Spurs could even win a trophy before him.

  • @SoLazy100
    @SoLazy100 Pƙed rokem +1

    A record in the Premier League isn't worth as much as a record in the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB. These North American leagues are the main competition in their respective sport. The EPL is not.

  • @michaelwilliams4454
    @michaelwilliams4454 Pƙed rokem

    If you want individual awards go play tennis/golf. It’s all about playing for a top team and winning major trophies, scoring them goals under pressure to win a premier league

  • @morenoananto1574
    @morenoananto1574 Pƙed rokem +3

    Why not both? go to united, win trophies, break the record đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž

    • @ahmedgang55.
      @ahmedgang55. Pƙed rokem +1

      United aren’t gonna win the league for sometime

    • @matthewsmith8727
      @matthewsmith8727 Pƙed rokem

      United won’t win the league with the Dutch Tony pulis in charge

  • @afunnyusername5599
    @afunnyusername5599 Pƙed rokem

    I'd respect the loyalty if he stayed, but think it would be a mistake. Being a club legend is great but if it was that at Spurs, or gambling on a league title or cl I think he needs to move on. i think staying in the prem fits him, but the options would be limited.
    United could do great next year or it could just be more of the same inconsistency and flattering to deceive.
    Chelsea with Poch makes some sense but they have Lukaku to shift and have seemingly spent a lot already - maybe part ex? would Lukaku accept Spurs and vice versa? i think he'd want a CL team personally.
    Newcastle would also be a gamble, can they improve on their great season is the question. Imagine he took Shearers record playing for his old club though. If it wasn't for Wilson he could even do it in the number 9 shirt. That almost seems to good to be true, massive risk though as even though its a forward move its diagonal at best.
    Any chance he stays another season then leaves? the options are not great right now.

  • @morlar
    @morlar Pƙed rokem

    Kane at Bayern would only be special if they win the CL. League titles are by default for them, no glory. Record is what will make Kane remembered.

  • @DREAMWORKERSKY
    @DREAMWORKERSKY Pƙed rokem

    Man Utd, PSG or Bayern is a MUST for Kane

  • @chrisbailey4719
    @chrisbailey4719 Pƙed rokem

    nearly got through the whole video without brian mentioning either pep or sterling

  • @kelvinburn7743
    @kelvinburn7743 Pƙed rokem

    Most people now remember Shearer in the black and white being the Premier Leagues top goal scorer. I bet most younguns who aren't avid football historians will have to be reminded that he won the Premier League with Blackburn. When anyone does break his record he'll still be in the conversation and a new generation will know his name. How many people, even this year will think of Kalvin Phillips as a Premier league winner?

    • @iscotty97
      @iscotty97 Pƙed rokem +1

      Phillips situation completely different to Kane, Henry and Aguero will be remembered more fondly than Kane, because their goals led the way to league titles.

  • @XmuseXclyroXfighters
    @XmuseXclyroXfighters Pƙed rokem +1

    It’s the Kick Off not the Tip Off 😂

  • @MichaelCooney-zh8je
    @MichaelCooney-zh8je Pƙed rokem

    A goal in a final is worth 5 in the league. Drogba hasn't scored anything like Kane but people remember him for scoring some of the biggest goals in Chelsea history. What goes against Kane as well is he doesn't have a goal record in big games. A very good player but the great players do it in the big moments

  • @twiztidradio
    @twiztidradio Pƙed rokem

    Your personal Memories override medals and records. If your a type of person that can be satisfied with your own memories then the rest don't matter. You can't take anything with you when your dead. If Kane wants to beat the record and understand it's gonna get beat eventually but he will always have that with him. It doesn't matter what we think.

  • @mujeebahmed7940
    @mujeebahmed7940 Pƙed rokem

    Trophies are more valuable than personal accolades for any ambitious player

  • @Khitomer286
    @Khitomer286 Pƙed rokem +1

    Harry Kane has 3 goals in 13 semi finals and finals. He had chances to win trophies, but he goes missing. That CL final vs Liverpool, he was anonymous.

    • @henrymartins4549
      @henrymartins4549 Pƙed rokem

      Yes let’s blame one man for an entire team’s poor performance. I didn’t know he was supposed to take the ball from the goalie and score all by himself. That whole Tottenham team was bad.

    • @Khitomer286
      @Khitomer286 Pƙed rokem

      @@henrymartins4549 Im a spurs fan pal, i know how poor we've been. Potch is equally to blame for dropping Moura for that final match. But it goes to show, for England and Spurs, he goes missing in big games.

    • @thf3038
      @thf3038 Pƙed rokem

      @@Khitomer286 Moura had his ronny rosenthal moment in ajax but lest be honest, if he starts moura and we still lose (which we would have) people would have said why didnt he start kane?

  • @supaadeex7207
    @supaadeex7207 Pƙed rokem +1

    The LeBron argument is a flawed one because of the amount of trophies he's still managed to get. In his case the scoring record is simply an argument as to why he could be considered the goat. A more accurate comparison would be Karl Malone - he's third all-time in terms of points in the NBA, beating the likes of MJ and Kobe. But despite of that he isn't even top 10 all-time for most people because he lacks in trophies and other achievements. I think the same will happen to Kane unless he wins something tbh.

  • @christopherreynolds9254
    @christopherreynolds9254 Pƙed rokem +8

    If Kane stays, their is no guarantee that he will break and then hold the record for any amount of years. Shearer had the luxury of being able to stay at his favourite Club and break the record without worrying about trophies 
 because he won a title when he was young. Kane has nothing, and his talent deserves silverware

    • @tsampson6660
      @tsampson6660 Pƙed rokem

      Unless he joins PSG or Bayern, there is no guarantee of him winning any trophies. City and Real don't want him.
      Who wants 1 or 2 random Ligue 1 or Bundesliga winners medals at the cost of your legacy? Not me
      And despite what people say now, Tottenham have everything in place to win trophies. Like any other club, they just have to play their cards right.

    • @fede4740
      @fede4740 Pƙed rokem

      @@tsampson6660 you are viewing it from the perspective of an ignorant brit tho. Off course you dont care about those titles when you are surrounded in a premier league bubble. But luckily, footballers are not so stupid

  • @timmy5876
    @timmy5876 Pƙed rokem

    his priority is 100% the prem goal record, he won’t mind not winning a trophy if he gets that record. He could go to a city or united and win the prem or atleast a trophy and be respected more. Going to bayern is a risk cus they might not win the UCL and if they don’t he’ll regret not staying in the prem cus bayern win the league regardless of him

  • @whydouwanttoknow1945
    @whydouwanttoknow1945 Pƙed rokem

    U can win a trophy an be a part of the team that won a trophy that year or u can break a record an be the best ever goalscorer... To many people put to much weight on the trophies. That's a team achievement. A record is an individual achievement yeah it can be broken but your still the best until it is.. If it is.

  • @gazza8892
    @gazza8892 Pƙed rokem +1

    He’s gonna break the record
    Wayne Rooney is remembered for the trophies not records

    • @proudtobeageordie9490
      @proudtobeageordie9490 Pƙed rokem

      Rooney is remembered for shagging granny's

    • @affluentgad2939
      @affluentgad2939 Pƙed rokem

      rooney is remembered because he didn’t retire that long ago and people still remember watching him play, i dont hear many people talking about rooneys titles more than they talk about his talent and playstyle

  • @adrianjoseph5164
    @adrianjoseph5164 Pƙed rokem +1

    This is the kickoff not the tipoff😂😂

  • @GarySinghgsin3725
    @GarySinghgsin3725 Pƙed rokem

    Wes brown won PL, but he won’t be remembered in history books for anything significant. Definitely for Kane goal record more important!

  • @lyndsayjones14
    @lyndsayjones14 Pƙed rokem +1

    How many people have won a Premier league or champions league? Now how many people have been all time Premier league top goalscorer?

  • @od9694
    @od9694 Pƙed rokem +1

    If he goes to bayern or psg and wins league titles, who would actually care after bayern win 11 in a row who is actually going to remember the guy who came in and won the 12th, and PSG are pushing Neymar out the door because all he ever did was win the league.
    I'd stick with spurs even if he never wins anything he will be loved forever by spurs

  • @xXSuperman117
    @xXSuperman117 Pƙed rokem

    Haaland breaking the pl record, would not be consider as a great achievement compared to kane, since Haaland is stat padding with City

  • @ashleyward5933
    @ashleyward5933 Pƙed rokem

    What if he moves and get injury and cant play again or he dont win anythink the goal recored mite be the only thing he gets

  • @Imabassplayer2
    @Imabassplayer2 Pƙed rokem

    As of today Harry Kane has a price and is only just the right side of 30. He could move to any big club willing to pay the money for him. But his fitness does come into question. He does suffer from injuries and might retire due to injury perhaps. Breaking the record would be cool and might not be broken for a very, very long time. Especially how football is today with players moving around and not staying in one league long enough to break any record. Alan Shearer did set the record but also he won the league. A medal is forever and you will always be remembered as a winner. Breaking the record is temporary and after a while you won't be remembered for that. Can you name the other players who broke the highest goal scorer records? I think Kane would be gutted to not win a trophy before he retires. He did want to leave Spurs for Man City to win trophies and medals. Otherwise he would stay at Spurs if the record is what he wanted most.

  • @mariokartplays0314
    @mariokartplays0314 Pƙed rokem

    This is a TEAM sport winning trophies should always be more important than winning individual awards

    • @mariokartplays0314
      @mariokartplays0314 Pƙed rokem

      Though i guess it depends on what the individual wants to get out of the game and leave behind

  • @hasan25112
    @hasan25112 Pƙed rokem

    Mitch is stretching, even if Harry Kane goes to Bayern Munich there’s no guarantee he’ll win the Champions League 😂

  • @JA-bv5ny
    @JA-bv5ny Pƙed rokem

    Craig is low-key jarring 😂

  • @juliangreen9930
    @juliangreen9930 Pƙed rokem +5

    All depends on what Harry Kane values more - individual achievements or collective accomplishments.

    • @elnino3903
      @elnino3903 Pƙed rokem

      That spastic has no idea what he’s doing though

  • @josephscott565
    @josephscott565 Pƙed rokem

    there are hundreds of winners medals, there is only one all time premier league goal scorer

  • @icantthinkofacoolname1308
    @icantthinkofacoolname1308 Pƙed rokem +1

    Basketball has a different sport culture
    To be the goat in nba you need not just stats but multiple championships.
    If Lebron had the all time scoring record but 0 championships no one would consider him the goat

  • @Ricci9170
    @Ricci9170 Pƙed rokem

    Breaking a record of such a high value as the all time goal scorer in the most competitive league... is a personal achivement.. winning a title with Bayern who would've won the league anyways is nowhere near in comparison.. You can "brag" to win the title that 1000+ other players won... or be the only one that dethroned the previous record holder...

  • @mihir89
    @mihir89 Pƙed rokem

    They are talking like it’s Kane’s decision. It is Levy’s decision. He can’t do anything.

  • @Ben-fk9ey
    @Ben-fk9ey Pƙed rokem

    If Kane rots away at Tottenham or moves and doesn't get a trophy when someone like Halland breaks his record it'll be all the more funnier.

  • @jte3209
    @jte3209 Pƙed rokem +1

    Kane needs to at the very least join a different club, fans en masse don’t respect club legends who haven’t won a trophy, just the way football fans are. Kane is too good of a player to be disrespected this much and the disrespect won’t stop until he wins a major trophy. I think he should go to Real Madrid or Bayern just to get one on the board. I don’t think he’s far from guaranteed a trophy if he goes to united.

  • @coys24
    @coys24 Pƙed rokem

    Winning the Bundesliga with Bayern is less prestigious than breaking the PL record. You can stick anyone in that Bayern team and they gonna win the league.
    Also, the record will stand for long, because Haaland will probably get bored and leave for Spain. Kane has got 5-6 years left and he gonna pass 300 goals.

  • @Chutney_NFT
    @Chutney_NFT Pƙed rokem

    People are talking about Kane being guaranteed a trophy if he leaves Spurs. He isn't.

  • @bradfricker3265
    @bradfricker3265 Pƙed rokem

    Kanes record for Tottenham would last longer than prem record

  • @henryroffe1328
    @henryroffe1328 Pƙed rokem

    What about if kane wins a world cup but no club trophies?

  • @willlaban3160
    @willlaban3160 Pƙed rokem +3

    the fact these guys think kane going to bayern and winning the bundesliga is a bigger achievement than breaking the premier league goal record is mind boggling

  • @pevvex4452
    @pevvex4452 Pƙed rokem +1

    That’s why call Kane one of the best striker in the world is very wrong. Best players play for the team and are able to drag their team to win something and he never did and never will because he isn’t one of the best.

  • @joeprice3792
    @joeprice3792 Pƙed rokem

    I think the goal record is more impressive and people would remember him for ages compared to if he one like one premier league

  • @lac2275
    @lac2275 Pƙed rokem

    @0:50 that's probably the worst analogy I've ever heard my life!

  • @gregcym
    @gregcym Pƙed rokem

    to the super league point - would anyone care about the PL record anymore if super league existed? - no one cares about the pre-PL goal record.....

  • @stephenparker8250
    @stephenparker8250 Pƙed rokem

    Who will people remember in history more ole Gunnar Solskjaer or Kane? If you don’t say Kane you know nothing

  • @arthurkariuki4277
    @arthurkariuki4277 Pƙed rokem

    Sounds crazy but I’m sure in Kane’s head he holding out that one season He would win a prem or Champions league with Spurs.

  • @fredbird7257
    @fredbird7257 Pƙed rokem +1

    I don’t think the goal record being compared to the NBA scoring record is an good comparison.. the scoring title took 20 YEARS of consistent greatness to break. And it’s probably going to be around for another 50 years, if its ever broken. To have everything go right and avoid injuries for 20 YEARS is almost impossible.
    If not Kane, Haaland could break the prem scoring record in 10 years. It will get broken at some point, but the NBA scoring title is extremely unlikely to be broken again.

    • @James-co2nb
      @James-co2nb Pƙed rokem

      Similar things get said whenever one is broken.

  • @notapirate6216
    @notapirate6216 Pƙed rokem

    How about both. Go to united maybe u can fight for a pl trophy and break the record. Ten haag is a good manager.

  • @sillwuka
    @sillwuka Pƙed rokem

    Goal records will always keep him relevant in football folklore.
    If he doesn't win trophies there will always be a BUT after though..

  • @liammufc11
    @liammufc11 Pƙed rokem

    All Harry kane has to do is get out of spurs and sign for man United and he will break the all time premier League record and win trophies while doing it. Cause adding someone the quality of kane to a already good man United means the only was is up.

  • @dw9652
    @dw9652 Pƙed rokem

    Nah if Kane left the Premier League for Bayern or PSG it doesnt guarantee a Champions League - imagine if he left the prem, didn't win a trophy and missed out on the all time top scorer record
    Even he did win 1 Champions League with one of those clubs he won't be remembered in the same way as if he broke the all time top goal scorer - obviously the CL trophy would be amazing but the legacy of possibly suppassing a record that mightn't be broken for another 20/30 years, thats a proper legacy
    People will forget about him being involved in that CL in a few years, Kane would be stupid to leave the prem and not try and beat thst record, he needs to play for a prem team more aspiration than spurs

  • @Sakmento
    @Sakmento Pƙed rokem

    Going to a club like bayern which is all but going to win the league with you there or not, I just don't see what that acheives for him ? Everyone will just say once he has the medal... "
    yeah but it was bayern they win every year of course you won a title there". Like what is the point in that ?

  • @ifeanyiokonkwolevi7995
    @ifeanyiokonkwolevi7995 Pƙed rokem

    Does anyone knows what end the Ronaldo and Messi GOAT argument?

  • @svdwerf23
    @svdwerf23 Pƙed rokem

    I wonder if he's saying that because he wants him to stay in England... At United

  • @siontimmy1
    @siontimmy1 Pƙed rokem

    If you win PL or the CL or FA Cup or all three people will always talk about you winning those trophies and if you only have goal scoring record there's is a time limit on how long people will talk about your goal scoring record because someone will come along and beat that record and they no longer talk about you being the greatest goal scorer of this club or of PL but they always talk about you being a PL or CL or FA Cup winner if Harry Kane want to be all time PL scorer then move to Manchester United or Chelsea try your luck at either of those clubs

    • @affluentgad2939
      @affluentgad2939 Pƙed rokem

      ?? look how many trophy winners have been forgotten lol, people will forget trophies way before they forget the all time goal scoring record, especially when talking about individuals and not teams

  • @francie6278
    @francie6278 Pƙed rokem +23

    Personally I think it’s more of an achievement to say you’re the all time Premier League top goalscorer, and before anyone says it Haaland is not staying around long enough to break the record.

    • @TheWezzbian
      @TheWezzbian Pƙed rokem +11

      Whats point scoring all them goals if ya dont win anything

    • @thetruth4654
      @thetruth4654 Pƙed rokem

      So he`ll retire as an empty stats merchant. Breaking the goal scoring record is a longevity award.

    • @shams3831
      @shams3831 Pƙed rokem

      @@thetruth4654 You do realise Kane's ratio is incredible, right? Not just about longevity, he's prolific.

    • @johnnyboy2268
      @johnnyboy2268 Pƙed rokem

      This is coming from a Spurs fan, goal records and especially PL one is a magnificent achievement, but it will be broken some time. When it is broken, then what? You cant take away medals. You can certainly take away records. I get it,, it may be a while but it will eventually be broken.

    • @johnnyboy2268
      @johnnyboy2268 Pƙed rokem

      @@TheWezzbian Ridiculous statement. What is the point of playing then? what is the point of all these players who have played without winning? Ill tell you what - a life time of not needing to work. A life time of their future generations pretty much not needing to work.

  • @tacourf1
    @tacourf1 Pƙed rokem

    Only 5 mins in. But will say, they are speaking like Kane will defo break the record. He is aging and a rough ankle injury away from never reaching that tally. He needs a trophy

  • @MazzaProductions2019
    @MazzaProductions2019 Pƙed rokem

    Kane must be looking at what Haaland is doing at City and be gutted. He could’ve won consistent trophies whilst breaking the record if it wasn’t for levy

    • @hahahahhihihih1037
      @hahahahhihihih1037 Pƙed rokem

      if I'm harry kane, I would be so annoyed with haaland 😂 people now talk about haaland's the best striker itw by having a super team alongside him, while kane need to find a way to consistently score goals without having an actual playmaker

  • @comeon1503
    @comeon1503 Pƙed rokem +1

    If I was in Kane’s situation I would stay at the Club I loveđŸ€ Better to try every season to Get a trophy with the team you love, than go to a Club you hate and win 2-3 trophies. Better to try and try and try the impossible if you really love the team
. He doesn’t care about United, so Why should he care about winning a trophy there???? STAY!đŸ€đŸ’™

  • @Xerxes_US
    @Xerxes_US Pƙed rokem +1

    THE FACT IS HE NEEDS A TEAM TROPHY.

    • @deleach18
      @deleach18 Pƙed rokem

      Does he though? Like if he went to PSG and won the French league would anyone actually care? I doubt Kane would even care.

    • @Xerxes_US
      @Xerxes_US Pƙed rokem

      @@deleach18 well maybe ur right but when he retires ppl will only judge him based on what he has achieved. PL record will be broken at some point.

    • @deleach18
      @deleach18 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@Xerxes_US who cares if it's broken at one point? He still broke the record and was one of the best in his era. Even holding onto the record for a brief time is still an amazing accomplishment.

  • @coachmarv7631
    @coachmarv7631 Pƙed rokem

    As a die hard NBA fan, i get where he's is coming from.. but it makes no sense. Lebron already had won 4 championships before breaking Kareems record.
    Hes only playing now because he wants to play with Bronny, the Kareem record was almost like a bonus. He'd already won chips.

  • @blackkeiron
    @blackkeiron Pƙed rokem

    Can still call himself a former Premier league all time scorer, not many people can say that, theirs alot of champions league winners, from a lfc fan he needs to stay In the Prem IMO

  • @ulfricstormcloak4230
    @ulfricstormcloak4230 Pƙed rokem

    Do you remember shearer for winning a trophy or for being all time premier league goal scorer?

    • @KooKenjiClips
      @KooKenjiClips Pƙed rokem

      The point being made is that once that record is broken people won’t remember shearer as an elite prem striker because he didn’t win as much as the Rooney’s or Henry. The thing that’s keeping him the mix now, is that no one’s broken his record yet.

  • @RWR1000
    @RWR1000 Pƙed rokem

    Goal records are nothing if you don't win a Major trophy alongside it .Haaland will break the premier league altogether anyway.

  • @dakillacharisma
    @dakillacharisma Pƙed rokem

    Kane should just move to Utd or Liverpool and be on a team who will go and compete for a medal and can still get that record. It doesn’t have to just be one or another

    • @nicholasloduca6668
      @nicholasloduca6668 Pƙed rokem

      The problem is Levy. He won't sell to another Premier League club. It would have to be next when he's on a free and who's to say United or a top team in the prem will still want him because he'll be a year older

  • @maxradziejeski5982
    @maxradziejeski5982 Pƙed rokem

    Harry Kane can either break the record, or go somewhere and be called a trophy chaser because he couldnt do it with tottenham. Just like how KD is talked about in the NBA