MAN UTD vs MAN CITY - Which Treble Was Better?
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Saying a coach's legacy is defined by their coaching tree and state of the club after they left is insaneeee
Why?
@@Sproles11because he came took a team in shambles and won more in his years as a coach of man U than more other clubs in their entire history when he left Man U was one of if not the best club in the world if the board didn't do the right thing to follow on that isn't his fault.
Marvin really said what’s Fergies legacy at Man United and Football 😭😭😭
No he meant how has he changed football
@@roronoalaw7772 only manager to be so dominant at 1 club, his own manager arsene failed for most of his yrs
@@sanjaynambisan2538 that’s not really revolutionizing football tho is it
@@shahfc7585 Don’t worry, these kids don’t know what that word means
@@sanjaynambisan2538 Shankly and Paisley?
*Better question lampards chelsea or lampards Everton which team was worse?*
Are you talking about lampard in his first spell or second spell at chelsea
@@rohithraman6488 this seasons Everton and Chelsea under lampard
😂😂😂
Everton’s was worse they were going to get relegated
@@JourdanChaney so were chelsea if lampard was there earlier
5:55 they’re discussing United vs City and he still brings up Arsenal😂😂😂
yeah lolol they got sidetracked an began comparing managers when the debate is about the teams themselves.. I'd say personnel wise City edge United. Manager wise, Pep is miles ahead (look at their head to head records,) and when you look at their respective competition... football and sports science has only progressed over time.
Rants N Bants 0.1
I hope this guys knows Pep had history with Fergie before joining Man city. Pep tormented Fergie's teams twice in the champion league finals
With the best team in history? Warra achievement
also he is like, WON THE TREBLE BEFORE. all those dudes act like football doesn't exist outside England and it's so funny
@@user-dt5nh4us7u with the BEST team ever
@@agambali3086 So he didn’t help develop the best team in history?
@@agambali3086 bro people are saying man city are the best team in Europe lol he’s creating these teams
This new disrespect for Ferguson is crazy, and its coming from Arsenal fans mainly. Most Liverpool and Manchester City fans i know always show appreciation for what Ferguson achieved.
For me Ferguson is the better manager, Pep is the better coach in my opinion
It’s coming form an insanely small minority of people online. Rational folks know
Not really disrespecting him is it
It's not disrespectful to say peps better
@@rohithraman6488 you hit the nail on the head because Ferguson never coached his players.
As a neutral, I feel like it depends on how you choose to look at it. Personally I think Man United's treble has the better story (the academy players, the semi-final vs Juventus, the dramatic fashion in how they won the champions league, etc.), but City's was far more dominant 🤷♂
Utd stole the class of 92 from Oldham/Bury etc so its very fictitious. Although Neville, Scholes, Butt, Giggs etc did good PR. Youth tapping, ie stealing rules, are around today because of what Utd did to small clubs like Oldham and Bury to get the class of 92.
The under dog story does make the Utd treble seem more appealing. However, winning 3 trophies under the pressure of being the favourites is more difficult.
@@TwoBlokesOneBall stop crying your heart out lad
Juventus finished 7th in serie A in 1999. They weren’t good that year.
The way I phrase it - man united was the better treble, man city is the better team
@@chrismcgregor272The very fact that you are farourites for some trophy or even any treble makes the pressure of being favorites pretty insignificant. There is/are a (few) reason(s) why they became favorites for anything in recent years.
Pep is the GOAT coach and Fergie is the GOAT manager. Different eras different teams. Both won a treble there own way.
Guardiola won 2 trebles now
Sir Alex won a European Cup with Aberdeen and 13 titles with United. That cannot be overlooked
@@paulhollywood4468 equivalent to conference league
not european cup but european cup winners cup
I honestly find this question quite pointless & sad. It's the sane damn achievement. Who cares? This question only exists to try to devalue the achievement of which of these two clubs rivals hate the most.
It’s not pointless and sad??? They are the only two teams to ever win an English treble. Did you actually expect nobody to compare the sides????
Its pointless and sad because only grown men with childhood nostalgia will ever think that the 99 team was anywhere near this City team.
@@S0L12D3 Yes because it's completely irrelevant. Comparing two sides from two entirely different eras of the game. Football was very very different on 99. What's dumb too is the most mouthy contributors to this debate on social-media seem to be people who either weren't even born yet in 99 or were too young to remember anything from then. 🙄
@@senti2175 100% they think a team using 4-4-2 and 1990s tactics would even land a blow on this city team
Preach
Marvin said what is Fergusons legacy 💀
His legacy is as a legend of the game. However look at players and coaches who worked under Pep. Xavi, Kompany, Arteta all doing great things as managers.Fergie never had that influence.
The issue of brilliance is lost on these chaps, the teams in England aren’t weaker now than they were, the bat has just been raised, United used to win League trophies without getting 80 points…, arsenal got 84 points this season and that’s considered a bottle job
That literally shows that the standard throughout the league is lower, teams in the bottom half of the table used to have a lot more quality and would beat teams from the top half a lot more, meaning the league is more competitive, you never had games where you could rest a full 11 cause you’re playing bottom of the table like you can now
@@conorryan2392 your argument would make sense if over time before Pep joined the EPL we started seeing teams gradually increasing the points tally for winning the league… but that’s not the case, before Pep joined the EPL, Leicester won the league by 81 points … Conte went on to win it by 93… peps first league was 100 points… did the league suddenly become weak? Can’t be… he raised the level, even now it’s City that’s dominating season in and out, the rest of the teams are still beating each other…except for the season Liverpool won it… Arsenal drew to a relegated Southampton to lose the league..
Point being outside of City the rest of the league is still behaving the same as it did before Pep proving that the lower teams still take points away from the top teams very season except against City
@@mosespelican3507 the lower teams take less points away from the top clubs than they did in the past, thats not really arguable since the combined points total of the relegated teams has been steadily going down since the formation of the prem. What has changed is the amount of money being poured into the top clubs as well as that coinciding with transitionary periods for clubs like arsenal, man united, Chelsea, and to a lesser extent Everton. Because of the way teams are able to spend now days the richer clubs are able to maintain their position at the top of the table far easier than in the past. Mid table clubs are also less capable of holding onto star players like they would have been able to in the past. Matt Le Tissier would be a prime example of this, in todays game he would have been sold fairly quickly to one of the big clubs as Southhampton would not be able to turn down the huge fee he would have gone for, other good examples would be players like Tim Cahill, Brad Friedel, Paolo Di Canio, Gareth Southgate and Gary Speed.
City have obviously been fantastic over the last few years as have Liverpool but saying they are simply better because they got more points in a season does not really tell the whole story.
the united double winner team was better than the treble team honestly. That double winning team should've won the treble.
yeah that 2008 team is the best premier league team of all time in my opinion
what? Losing to Portsmouth at Old Trafford was pretty embarrassing.
They will still lose to city
@@JiTiAr35 upsets happen mate, city got knocked out the carabao cup to bottom of the league southampton.
@@JoeChard irrelevant.
The irony of the Arsenal fan saying that the United fan is avoiding he question when they've framed the assessment of a manager's success in the narrowest of ways.
I have so much respect for what Wenger did. And the changes he enacted are overlooked. But the object of competitive sport is to win stuff.
Well he was avoiding the questions
Pep Guardiola is the most influential coach in these modern times, everyone wants to play out from the back, every team now needs a ball playing Goal Keeper (a Goal Keeper who could play football with both feet), the Inverted Center-Back), the Possesion and positioning football. Etc etc.
Moreover when Spain won the World Cup Pep's players were so influential on that Spanish team, 8 players on that team played for Pep. When Germany won the World Cup 7 of that side played for Pep. Both of these 2 countries acknowledge the influence of Pep. So Pep Guardiola have a bigger impact on the world of football than Sir Alex.
Pep just developed Barcas ideas. He didn't invent them from scratch.
@@stevenlannister184 amazing how ppl don’t understand this. Cruyff is the one who was the actual innovator.
@Raph2295
Cruyff was the original inventor, But Pep furthur developed the system and have created another tactical innovations at City
@@raph2295 pep always gives credit to cruyff, it doesn’t take away the fact that pep put it all together and changed the game forever in 3 countries
Vicente Del Bosque was doing that with Madrid in 2000 and 2002 way before Pep was ever a manager. It's why Spain played the tiki taka so seamlessly under him; because the man knew what he was doing since before Pep.
As for Germany, the 7 players called up to the 2014 WC, were Bayern players that were always picked and would get picked every single time, so nothing to do to Pep. Not to mention Germany played a different style of football to Pep; closer to Klopp's heavy metal football actually than anything since high press possesion is a german thing and many German teams try it.
Pep is a great manager no doubt but credit him properly, don't exagerate and say rubbish just to big him up. He doesn't need the bigging up either he's great and stands on his own.
Manchester City did it in far more dominant fashion.
Incorrect there is just far less competition
Because they faced weaker teams lol, I think Pep will go down as the GOAT by the time he retired but let’s be honest, Man United’s treble was objectively better- they faced legendary teams on their way to the win, this year’s UCL City had no real competition, pretty much all the big teams are much weaker than they used to be- Real, Liverpool, Bayern etc
What legendary teams did man united face ?
@@tevildo45 You fr? They qualified out of a group containing Bayern and Barcelona. Beat Inter milan and the mighty Juventus team which had players like Zidane, Inzaghi, Conte, Deschamps and then the Mighty Bayern Munich; all with a united team that had academy players combined with experienced veterans. City on the other had had a relatively easy group stage, even though they beat some good teams on the road to the final, you could argue they all had an off season ( Bayern, Real Madrid). Playing Inter milan who are 19 points off the top of Serie A is not that big of a task. Not trying to take away anything from city. What they achieved is incredible but with that big a squad compared to all other teams, it was the case of when and not if they do it.
City hammered the reigning European champions, absolutely destroyed them. They then knocked out the Bayern who you yourself called a legendary team. The inter Milan team you mention that Man U faced never won the champions league so they weren’t a legendary side, they actually blew the scudettos and were underachievers, the Barcelona side similarly were not a great Barcelona side. The Juventus side you mentioned always choked in the big games they lost 2 finals in a row once to Dortmund when they were massive favourites. A lot of nostalgia talking here. The agenda is ridiculous, when Man City knock out Bayern who won champions league in 2020, and knock out Real Madrid who won it the year before and dominated the competition since 2014 it’s cos they had an off season, when man united beat them they were legendary sides.
Guys said DIET😂😂😂😂😂
It’s true you know
Wenger did implement sport science practices but the way he said it was funny 😂😂
Ferguson’s belief in youth development and the way he moved on veteran starters while replacing them with academy players is a massive legacy. For all the talk about how many times he broke the transfer record, he replaced players like Ince, McClair, and Sharpe without spending money
Same can be said for Pep at Barcelona.
Doesn't work anymore in today's football.
That's why more and more big teams prefer buying to developing.
Including SAF during his final managerial seasons.
@@Sproles11they were already in the first team bruv😭
@@aryan-yi7nc some were, some were not
Citys is quite it there by some distance because of the level of competition there is now. Despite this they have dominated in every single competition…
so the team that completed the treble long after the first team did it is best? lol then why they not do it first?
Not one player at citeh could score like giggs 99 semi final goal. United played against R9 inter not lakaku and Zidanes juve in the semi. Citeh played against 37 year old at Madrid playing walking football.
what level of competition now? they played inter in the final and all the big clubs are in transition in the league pal
@SniZZerN so I take it celtic 66/67 are better than united 98/99 coz they did it first
@@justinwillness3162 United have been in transition for 10 years apparently that ain't city's fault you lot can't keep up
What did Fergie leave behind? Yeah, forget that United were a mid-table side, flirting with relegation, before he built them back into one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Is marvin a arsenal fan or a man city fan? Hard to tell
bro is not dumb unlike other assna fans. bro speaks facts
I love how acknowledging another team means you’re a fake fan, tribalism in sports is so dumb
It depends on how we are rating it? In terms of dominance. City wins by miles! Literally nobody. Not Madrid. Not Bayern. No team was capable of stopping man city’s run of form in the second half of the season! However. I feel like SAF United squad, had a lot more flair and their games provided more entertainment. If you ask me which team would win against the other. Id definitely go with city.
Personal opinion is United
Dominance suggests City
This is only citehs first CL. Man Utd dominated the league as much if not more than them and also have 3 European cups.
@SHS7SH7SH7
City probably get more CL’s after all Pep could easily coach another 15 years if he wanted too.
There has been over 2 decades of football evolving from when United won the treble, so obviously City would win. As for the original debate, United won their treble, they didn't buy it. United > City
@@SH7SH7SH7 I understand this. We are discussing one season. Their performances over one season. And I would say that city are probably the better team overall compared to that treble team. It would be a close contest either way
@@benhammond3913 if that’s how you feel then okay. But if ffp doesn’t charge city then your excuse is irrelevant
Massive props to fergie from a Liverpool fan
Marvins got alot to say, considering arsenals lack of silverware compared to United.
The comparison of Pep's managerial disciples compared to Fergie's isn't too dissimilar. Arteta came runner up in the league to city, so did Ole.
Kompany just won the championship but roy Keane did that with Sunderland.
None of them can be considered generational managers. Of course arteta and kompany are still at the start of their careers in management but as of now it's quite equal.
Depends on how you look at it I suppose. Man City was far more dominant and definitely a better team, in a combined 11 I would probably have more City players than United players. But United overcame more hardship (also because they were just a worse team in general) so United's treble will feel a lot more 'romantical' to a lot of people.
this is absolutely chocking man
Since i have a lot spare time, i watch this argument...its make my day. Tq
Football is not easier now, city have forced football to another level with consistent 90 point seasons. Footballs not worse other clubs just can’t keep up Liverpool tried for years and only now fell away
Lol Liverpool finished 5th what a foolish argument. They should have finished second if that was the case. Liverpool are horrible
Squad sizes were much smaller and could only make 3 subs. Football across the longevity of the season has got easier for those with deep squads/pockets
People claiming pep created managers when Cruyff is the literal reason that pep plays his style of play 😂😂😂
Bro avoided every question 🤣🤣🤣🤣
13 premier league's in 26 years
I miss the old cast from the kick off. These blokes haven't got a scooby.
Don’t forget , in 99 we did it all without the help of tattoos. And, we played the CL Final just days after Wembley. It was the first, it was special and even if we do it again , 99 will still be the one.
I can see this Citeh side doing the treble again in next 5 years, they're that good.
Is this team win pl next season that would be 4 in a row. Then they would be better
Pep and Jose love Mr Robson, did he make them? Guardiola wrote to SBR, asking him to take him to Newcastle.
"Wenger was his child" 😂😂
What Fergie left was an impossible challenge.
No manager was able to do what he did ever since he left and that speaks volumes as to the quality of manager that Fergie was.
Fergie, did what he did in spite of the Glazers.
Meanwhile, Pep was able to do what he did efficiently due to their top-of-the-line footballing structure.
Him and upper management were consistently on the same page.
Both was amazing but I felt the teams city came up against was elite elite teams with a lot of heritage behind them
Have you ever looked at the run of teams United played in 99, Bayern and Barce in the group, Inter Milan in QF Juve in SF and then Bayern again, and all those teams were a lot more superior to the current teams they have, Juve had made three Finals in a row before that season, Italian football was effectively what the premier league became
@@conorryan2392Only Juve was the real competition
@@Terry_Mackey a treble chasing Bayern Munich, Barcelona won the league both that season and the year before and an Inter Milan that contained R9, Baggio and Simeone to name a few, but no Juve were the only real competition
@@conorryan2392 Lets be honest, everyone expected Man U to beat them except Juventus
Wenger’s legacy:
Winning? No. He told grown adults to eat their veggies.
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Fergie re-introduced the youth system and pathway to the first team when he picked up from Ron Atkinson. That particular class of '92 served the club for nearly 15 years.
Funny how the title isn’t even what the conversation was about
from the Oxford Dictionary (definition of sport) "An activity involving physical exertion and skill, esp. (particularly in modern use) one regulated by set rules or customs in which an individual or team competes against another or others." - Man City have broken the set rules 115 times and therefore haven't won anything by definition. They have won their own competition consisting of nobody else but them. You can't compare Utd and City's trebles as one followed the rules and one did not.
you know what a charge is? go back to year 7 mate and know what an allegation is
FFP aren't sporting rules. As well as that FFP is also anti-football which creates a closed shop at the top. So your opinion is retarded sadly
No FFP existed during that time & United broke the transfer record that year. If you include inflation, United had almost four 100M+ signings, their total is almost 200M+ more than City's current squads value 🙄
@@Terry_Mackey It's not FFP. Those are UEFA's rules. These are 115 breaks of the Premier League's own financial rules which have no expiry date on them unlike FFP. You've mixed the 2 up and used an emoji to top it off.
FFP came in 2009 🤡
Think these 2 have either forgotten or haven't heard of Johan Cruyff!! Created total football, has a stadium named after him, has football moves named after him, has a statue at not one but two big European clubs and who had pep guardiola as both a player and took him on as his protégé into management! In other words no cruyff.............. definitely no guardiola!
He changed man's diet 😂😅
Man said he changed diet hahahaha
Man these deluded Arsenal fans.
It's way easier to like Fergie's Man U treble as an outsider to Man City since City is the most hated club in England. But Pep is just a superior manager to Fergie. You can say that Fergie has greatness and a lasting legacy as THE manager, but Pep is the manager that changed how EVERYONE played the game and those who didn't adapt fell behind. Pep is just on another level.
Never knew derek chisora was a big united fan
All these young lads arguing over Pep, Fergie, Wenger....two words Bob Paisley....look him up and have some respect.
There was so many more vairents that determine a game of football 20+ years ago. Therefore i think the 1999 would have been more difficult.
Look at betting odds from back then, Many more teams were Evens to win the champions league, It wasnt obvious who was going to be in the semi's nevermind the final, Now you can easily guess one team that will be in the final.
Shame we didn't see them go head to head on the biggest stage, oh wait
Pep has had the luckiest run I have ever seen. The guy came into a barcelona team that was already stacked. All he had to do was COACH, not MANAGE that squad. He then goes to an already stacked bayern. Again he just had to COACH not MANAGE. He then goes to an already stacked city team. COACH not MANAGE. Fergie came into a united sqaud that needed serious work and people forget that in his first few years, he almost got sacked from united as he first few games did not bring great results. Fergie MANAGED to turn that clud around. He brought up the youth and got the to world class levels. He turn the fortunes of the club around by culling the dead weight and bring in essential talen (LEGALLY BY THE WAY) FERGIE STANDS WELL OVER PEP AND NOT EVEN CLOSE.
The only way pep would be in the question is if he were to go to arsenal and finally win a league for them.
Pep literally removed Ronaldinho and Deco from the team & built a team from the scratch and Barcelona had more academy players. City team was stacked? KDB is the only player in the current squad that wasn't signed by Pep. Guardiola had to rebuild a ageing team from the scratch. Fergie broke the transfer record 4 times (No FFP existed back then). If you include inflation, United had almost four 100M+ signings, their total is almost 200M+ more than City's current squads value 🙄
Both Trebles are an amazing achievement, but you can't deny that Man u 98/99 treble side had a way harder list of opponents to deal with.
Man city is a wonderful side no.doubt, But didn't have to face top sides like United specially in the champions league. Group stage with Bayern Munich and Barcelona, then the knock out stages vs a star studded Inter side, then probably the best club in Europe at that time Juventus, and finally it's Bayern again in the final.
Man city didn't have an easy ride either but it doesn't compare to United's challengers in Europe during that season.
What I do think Man city are superior is the style of play, no doubt they play the best football in the world and can't play any other way and.have to stick to the plan tiki taka football, if they play in any other style they would loose, they have to play good to win, ,while United could still win even if they played bad.
Liverpool fan here. Fergies legacy, he was the first man to rotate the squad and win the premier league. Teams didn't rotate like they did back in the day before Fergie started doing it.
Because he was the first manger with squad that big. Man Utd was basically Bayern of PL back then.
@senti Because of him they were the Bayern of the PL. Look where they were pre his arrival.
KG is turning into a TY.
Supreme man management, manager management and dealing with the media/refs, The Youth
Some geniuses are impossible to copy
All these other managers that they're naming have been replicated in some way shape or form. There hasn't been another Sir Alex. What he did was come into the room, save this bloke is going to teach you how to play football, look them all in the eye and go we're not going to lose. He got into all their heads, and just said we ain't losing.... It's kind of impressive.
I get that Man United under Ferguson didn’t have one style of play that he is defined by. But just because Pep and Klopp have styles of play (they took from other managers like Cruyff and Bielsa by the way) that they live and die by. Does not mean that Sir Alex Ferguson should be discredited as if he was just winging it and telling his players to “go out and play football”. He had…sides based on wingers and overlapping fullbacks, pressing sides, possession sides, counter attacking sides. The man created the status quo for the rest of the league and made sure he was always ready for what was coming next.
What did Sir Alex do??? Well, he came to English football and stopped the drinking culture. He wanted professionalism to the highest level, and sat the standard, if you wanna play for me, you need to be professional, no drinking! In terms of styles, he was able to change with the times. In the 90’s it was counter attack with a spice of flair, with rapid wingers and flair players (Cantona, Giggs).. in the years following, i would say he managed to be rock solid defensively (Vidic and Rio) wile still having that flair and rapid, skillful wingers (Ronaldo, Rooney etc.). And lastly academy, class of 92, do I need to say more?
there’s no way a man said what’s Alex Fergusons legacy😂😂😂and saying what has he left after like it has anything to do with him 🤣and that’s from a liverpool fan right here these arsenal fans getting way too confident 😂
Marvin is an embarassment.
Big up KG
This myth that Pep created playing out from the back is absolute bollocks by the way🙄🤣
United beat a Ronaldo led Inter Milan, a zidane/David's/Del Piero led Juventus to get to the final, then Bayern Munich in the final.
That's a tough a draw as it comes.
Madrid in the last decade are better than any version of Madrid that Fergie faced... Liverpool from 2018- 2022 are better than ANY prem side that Fergie faced.. Earlier in the season they were saying the prem is at the highest level it's ever been, now look.. the discrediting of City is so funny bruh
The Madrid of the last 10 years are probably better than the Bayern team in 99
@@danielallen4450 (I hate Madrid 😭😭) Historically they are only eclipsed by Di Stefano’s Madrid.. an in the last 3-4 years City have been their biggest rival. It’s so obvious how those guys *feel* about City 😂😂
Ferguson didn't profoundly change the model of football because he was the best at using the model in his era, he had no reason to. The other teams had to bring managers to the league who would make changes so they were able to compete with Sir Alex.
Yeah all he has is 2 champions league to show in 3 decades 😂
That's dominance 😂😂😂
@@KingLeo712educate yourself on how European football changed so much throughout those times
evolutionized diet - lol it's true but it's still funny the way he said he revolutionized the game by changing diet lol
del bosque won the world cup with spain playing peps style with mostly peps players talk about the game changer
What does SAF not “creating” managers have to do with him not being better? That’s an irrelevant point to bring into the conversation
I wouldn’t say Arsène Wenger changed tactics in this country or in Europe. But yes he didn’t change attitudes towards the average footballers diet.
Utd didn't have over 100 financial malpractice charges hanging over them at the time
This isnt a question. United hadnt broken rules and had stiffer competition domestically anyway
Cry.
Because there were no rules to break tinhead clown 🤡
Cry…
LOL! Mourinho over Fergie!?! 😂😂😂 man’s taking the piss!
Pep walked into a club that had won 2 league titles in 4 years and had Arab oil money to build a team for 7 years before he turned up fergie took over United when they were near the relegation zone and had not won a league for over 25 years debate over
Because ferguson never signed anybody and had no money… 😂
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Sir Alex's players turned into bad managers or need more time. The only coaches I know of Carlos Queiroz and David Moyes. His Madrid stop was quite quick and Moyes finally won a trophy.
Legacy? There is literally this thing called Fergie time. The games that we pull off were to romantic in footballing terms. It was definitely the most dramatic season 1999 especially with the history of the busby babes and the class of 92
In terms of sheer football performance pep has the upper hand I’ve never seen a team controlled so much bar the 09 barca team. Then it comes down to pep and not the team that city had. In 1999 it was more so the team then Fergie to have character to pull that off. There’s the biggest difference imo.
115 vs 0
Facts!!!
Both trebles are great club achievements. But it comes down to this. City's treble is a treble that has relied more on off-field strength, the club structure, whereas United's treble was more about the ability of the players and manager. City's treble is a bigger achievement for the backroom staff, whereas United's treble is a bigger achievement for the players and manager.
Pep did it out of England aswell
People forget that Fergie won the European Cup with Aberdeen beating Real Madrid!
This guy went straight to “diet and exercise” for wenger. FERGURSON stopped his players drinking, partying and fucking about by taking over Manchester. From a forest fan this is ridiculous, both fergie and pep are fantastic but only one has done it without a blank cheque.
you replay 1999 ten times and Man Utd win the Treble maybe 2 times out of 10; you replay 2023 ten times and Man City would win it most of the times! so, Utd's was more impressive/thrilling but City's was much more dominant!
Fergie won the league in his last season, it's not his fault Ed Woodward and others completely made a laughing stock out of the club after he left
Ferguson was an excellent manager, Pep is a great manager and a world-class coach.
Fergie won a European cup with Aberdeen … pep won with 10 billion spent
I think this idea that Fergie didn't leave anything is a bit down to people's modern obsession with tactics and formations like that is what wins football games. I tend to agree with Carlos Ancelotti on this one. You win football games by having the best players and making sure all your best players are on the field.
How about this. Without Fergie and the Manchester United dynasty turning the Premiere League into the preeminent global football institution, Sheik Monsour never buys City. United created City (with a little help from Arsenal and Thierry Henry) by establishing the Premiere league as the most dominant league in world football. So when Abu Dhabi want to diversify their oil portfolio, a Premiere League club is their top target.
Go to just about any city in the world and ask them about the EPL, Manchester United, Beckham, Ronaldo.... those are the first words that come to peoples minds.
“What’s Ferguson’s legacy in management and in football?” Are these guys serious? 😅 he is the benchmark for every single manager of any football club. What’s his legacy? Oh I don’t know.. perhaps we should look at some of the talent he nurtured.. Eric Cantona, Bryan Robson, Steve Bruce, David Beckham, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Roy Keane, Gary Neville, Andy Cole, Dwight Yorke, Wayne Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo, Jaap Stam, Nemanja Vidic, Rio Ferdinand, Patrice Evra, David De Gea.. just to name a few.
Arsenal fans are so bitter towards United it’s hilarious.
Everyone has money in the epl it's now how best you play which is the influence of the coach... pep for me
How can u say Bayern & Real Madrid aren't what they were when they won UCLs in the last 2 years
I don’t know if your brain is switched off but what a team has done in the past doesn’t necessarily reflect how good they are now. Bayern in 2020 were miles better than they are now, Real last year were a lot better than they are now, Chelsea won the UCL two years ago and this year they almost got relegated.
Pep at the end of his career will be astronomically clear of SAF lmao just wait 1 more decade he'll get a Major international trophy in his resume and hopefully one more treble or UCL
We get the story and all that but let's be real, if 99 UTD met this City team, Fergie and his boys would get absolutely mauled, you can't ignore the fact that the difference in their quality is massive... City were just too dominant last season.
There’s one word that will likely always keep SAF above Pep in the GOAT discussion. Aberdeen.
Both trebles have their pro’s, but SAF did it with more style, & arguably a worse squad vs better teams.
As for the protégé argument, you can’t hold SAF’s “managers” (ie Bruce, Hughes, Ince etc) lack of major success against him personally. Players weren’t paying attention to tactics & managerial things anywhere close to the way they do nowadays. The game itself has become smarter & thusly the players have had to as well, which has bred better post-player managers.
Citys was better because in 1999 M city were in league 2 now M City did the treble including beating the 1999 treble winners in the FA cup final.
Europe was different then. Dundee United reached the European Cup semi finals in 1984. They won the first leg 2-0 but lost 3-2 on aggregate. They were also Uefa cup runners up in 1987, beating Barcelona home and away. These results happened back then. They were possible. Now they’re not.
The greatest manager in the world could not take over Aberdeen now and be successful in Europe.
Easily United's treble. They went unbeaten from December of that season, till the ending of that season in ALL competitions.