Full Frame vs M43 and APS-C - Say NO to Fanboyism 2018
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- Full Frame vs M43 and APS-C - Say NO to Fanboyism 2018
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Panasonic 20mm F1.7 II APSH - amzn.to/2G6FSJG
More videos:
Sony A7III vs Panasonic G9 - Full Frame or M43?
bit.ly/A7IIIvsG9
Sony A7III vs Sony A6500 - How much better is the A7III?
bit.ly/A7IIIvsA6500
1 Year with Sony A6500 - Long Term Review
bit.ly/SonyA6500review
Panasonic G9 Review - The Hybrid Shooting Beast
bit.ly/panasonicg9
Panasonic G9 vs Sony A6500 - Hybrid Shooting Comparison
bit.ly/g9vsa6500
Micro Four Thirds vs APS-C - Low Light and Crop Factor Explained
bit.ly/M43cropFactor - Věda a technologie
Also take a look at:
*Panasonic GH5S* Review: bit.ly/GH5Sreview
The Hybrid Shooter Can you please give me the links for the 0.95 lenses? Thanks
amzn.to/2LcZkDY , amzn.to/2zAHrgQ , amzn.to/2Nea3yG
i will share this link video to our lumix users by whatsapp. Would you mind ?
Razeea I certainly wouldn't mind, I would appreciate it.
I unfortunately don't have either of those cameras.
WOW…. you nailed it perfectly!!! The right tool for the right job ….I own two full frame and one Olympus m4/3 camera. If I’m shooting in difficult lighting or need the best quality, the full frame is the tool of choice here. If portability is the main concern…. street photography, hiking, family pictures etc and you’re looking for the best quality to size ratio then you can’t beat m4/3’s. The best camera is the one you have with you and the extra portability of the m4/3’s is a real help. But the bottom line is this…..cameras don’t take pictures….people do.
Thank you, there is indeed is a time and place for every system.
I agree.. I obviously don't mind taking my Canon FF gear to weddings, or any other paid job.. but for just wanting to take a camera out hiking my fujifilm xt2 and 35 f2 for example is awesome!! I usually don't even touch my canon stuff unless its for actual work. I Do kinda want the G9 though, w/ that little 15mm f1.7 :]
come on? Is there any difference in terms of portability between panasonic g9/gh4, g85 and sony A7 or A7ii? yes, actually the full frame a7 is smaller.
it's not an argument for me. Where m43 shines is professional vlogging, you get amazing video quality with 4K 60fps, 10bit, and the best image stabilization + flip out screen. Thats it.
You need to use each camera with lens though, I addressed that in the video, so M43 does have size advantage overall.
over a6500? don't think so.. :) + its true a mid range zoom for a7 will be much bigger, however there are lot of nice small lenses, like the 35mm 2,8 or 28mm f2, 50 1.8.. beat this with m43 lenses.. olympus 25mm f/1.2? you get 50mm f/2.4 right? and it is not small
The most concrete and technical summary about pros and cons for m43 vs full-frame that you can find on the Internet.
To the point and without fanboying.
Great job ... waiting for more content like this!
Thank you, I appreciate your feedback, more similar videos will be coming soon!
At the moment, MFT is right for me, because of those reasons:
- all mirrorless
- flipout screens
- OIS is incredible
- 4K 60fps with G9/GH5/GH5s
- 200-600mm equivalent reach with just 520g weight (Panasonic Lumix G Vario 100-300mm)
- this all at a rather affordable price
- I don't care for super huge bokeh.
- Dynamic Range and Low Light are not an issue for landscapes, because of bracketing.
Of course, as soon as there's shadow on the bird, you get a problem with noise or motion blur (for bird-movement only, OIS takes care of hand-shake). But that's a tradeoff I am willing to make. Fullframe is heavy and really expensive, if you want to get that close.
However APS-C is also very interesting. You can also get 600mm equivalent reach with about 1kg lenses for reasonable prices.
uHu You can also get 600mm equivalent with 0 weight gain by cropping apsc down to mft sizes.
I really like your summary and totally match my needs.
You can get a good amount of Bokeh from m43
I love that you mentioned “theoretically vs real life” a lot. I feel like these types of comparisons get bogged down when people get off of real world applications and argue about math and test charts.
Just wanted to say that this is one of the most helpful and balanced videos I've seen on the topic. Well done! I just bought a GH5 (upgrading from a T6i) and am going back and forth on whether I should keep it or choose the a7iii instead. Really love the bokeh of full frame and low light performance, but the lack of flip screen on the Sony and stronger video settings on the GH5 are compelling.
Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for a great video and channel. Keep it up!
Thank you, I appreciate your feedback!
One of the best photography channels on CZcams! Well said man.
Thank you, I'm really glad that you like this channel!
just subscribed, ... i agree with Photo-Me-Ike. Loved this video. For Street & "Carry-around everywhere" use, which is a better camera overall, EM10iii versus GX9 ? Panasonic is a Rangefinder-style body having only 2 Dials (two-in-one) on Top. Olympus has an EVF in center like Dslrs/Sony, and many more Dials. I like them both and would like to own both, but one at a time, so, which one first ? .... i am slightly tilting in favor of OLY
Chirag Parikh thank you, I appreciate your subscription. I much prefer GX9 to EM10 III, new sensor in GX9 is class above ME10 III.
thanks a lot.
This is the best video you have made. We need more videos like this dispelling the merit of cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias, and fanboyism.
Thank you, it't just cameras, there is no need to get emotional here.
I have Sony A7 III and Panasonic GH5, love them both, big love! Good for different jobs!
Hey Hybrid. I'm already following you for a long time and I have to say: your content is great. Really honest and no bias at all. You've convinced me to buy a G80/G85 and I still watch your tutorials on that camera. You deserve way more subscribers.
Thank you, I'm glad that you like content on this channel.
finally some comparison with common sense and just straight facts. Really rare these days. Well done bro
Thank you!
“You can , but in the real world, not really” 😂 I love it! Great video 👍🏼
Thank you!
Still on Sony a6500. Thinking about going A7iii but still want to push my camera to its limits
A6500 is still a great camera, just the user experience could be a bit better.
I don't like the a6xxx Argo it's just too much small for my big hands. Personally, I hope Sony will do what Fuji did with the xt2 and xh1, so people can still buy the small body and others can buy the bigger one.
user experience? I think ergonomics of a6500 is amazing! I also use Fuji XT-2 and I really don't like its ergonomics.
Cześć Emil!
Unfortunately I can't afford A7iii, it would be the perfect choice for me. The video capabilities of a6500 are satisfying, but I am not happy with the picture quality and the lenses.. Even with sigma 16mm 1.4 and 30mm 1.4 which I bought recently, for video there are amazing, however for Bokeh... @ 1.4 you get a lot of chromatic aberration, and then if you stop down.. you loose bokeh. I think only full frame matters. A7iii is not that bad in terms of price, but the sony lenses choice sucks.. on one hand you have the GM's and Zeiss which are super expensive and on other hand garbage like 50mm 1.8, plastic made in china. Where in canon you have so many options from top quality L 1.2 glasses, through great quality and decent price 50mm 1.4 and 35mm f2 to super cheap ang leightweight 50mm 1.8.. This is the thing!
So to sum up.. I don't know what to do :) I'm thinking if there is a sense to switch to Fuji XT-3 cause, in terms of video, it looks wow, and I already have some nice glasses in my family, like 10-24mm, 18-55mm, 55-200mm.. but don't like ergonomics that much.
I like your analysis. After about 10 years, I have given up APS-C and gone to a G9, GX7 and Canon 5D III. I used mostly FF lenses on a 77D, which didn't give it much of a size advantage over the 5D III, and when I bought the G9 I like the IQ better than the 77D! And I love the tiny overall size of an MFT kit. There are not many FF lenses that are as good as or better than the pro-level MFT lenses as well.
Excellent video!!! One of your best.
Thank you, I'm glad that you like it!
Talking about fast zooms: nowadays there’s Panasonic 10-25/1.7 is available, which seems to be pretty awesome in terms of the range, aperture and picture quality.
Yes definitely brings some new options to M43 system, although I wouldn't quite call the aperture and picture quality "awesome".
An exceptional summary, clear and easy to follow with great images. One factor I’m not sure you mentioned, and the main reason I’m a M4/3 fan - cost. I would love to have a full frame - and maybe I will some day, but I think I got more bang for my buck when considering the lenses.
Thank you, I can't say, that M43 is generally cheaper, especially if you want lenses that can do what FF counterparts can do, they are often much more expensive.
I was hesitant in the beginning as the intro was a little more than needed IMO.
Then there was; No distracting music, direct and to the point, unbiased opinions and honest usability.
This is The Best take down on image sensor format I've found.
~subbed!!!
Thank you, I appreciate your subscription!
Great piece!
Also, it is very rare - thus refreshing - to hear someone discuss this topic with reason rather than prejudice and emotion. :D
Thank you!
Thanks for a good overview. I don't how I had missed this one on your channel.
I have been looking for a clearer and honest comparison for ages. This is it right here! Keep up the good work!
Thank you, I will do my best to keep it up!
Beautifully done William. Keep them coming.
Thank you!
Finally, a level-headed video on sensor sizes. My vote is for MFT because it's by far the best balance between large and small sensors. If you're being paid to shoot portraits, you will probably prefer full-frame. If you're shooting video, there are huge advantages to smaller sensors that make them more useful. The BMPCC 4K is a highly anticipated and recently released MFT camera designed exclusively for professional video work; Blackmagic did not choose MFT for no reason. Camcorders have sensors on par with point-and-shoot cameras because the advantages of smaller sensors are very compelling for video-only devices. All that said, there are some video advantages to APS-C and FF systems, particularly in the shallow depth of field department. It's important to fully understand your tools and choose the right one. In the end, the old truism stands: a good craftsman blames himself; only a poor craftsman blames his tools.
Excellent synopsis of the various formats - thank you.
Not only the content but these pictures in video are utterly amazing! Subbed right away
Thank you, I appreciate your subscription!
Great upload, and surprisingly on the mark across the board, good work
Thank you!
Your one of my new favorite CZcamsrs. Great job! BTW I just got the G9 paired with a viltrox speed booster and sigma 18-35 and I'm extremely pleased with this camera. Watched a lot of your videos before about the g9
Thank you, I would also like to try that Viltrox speedbooster, unfortunately I can't buy one here.
I love using both MFT and APS-C cameras! I think, MFT is "best used" with small and fast primes! At least, that´s my favorite way of using it. This gives me the opportunity to reap many of the benefits of this system: small, light, unobtrusive, IS even with those small and fast primes (2 factors that enable me to use low ISO) and good image quality. And a lot of those cameras look pretty stylish as well!
If I was using the Oly with a 300MM lens for a 600MM field of view, is there any way to also get the bokeh that comes with a longer focal length 600MM lens?
When tracking a distant subject like a race car or footballer - or my nephews in a crowd - I often need separation from an ugly or distracting background.
Maybe a bokeh art filter?
I think the image processing in smartphones now commonly generates artificial bokeh or maybe a gaussian blur.
I humbly appreciate your opinions. Very well put. I always follow your channel. Thanks for all your great videos.
Thank you, I appreciate your feedback!
I actually use both my A7iii and G85 in a very similar way as you do. Hands down if I ever have to do any recording beyond 25 minutes continuously or in a warm or hot condition, I will always reach for my G85.
I agree with some of your other viewers- this is one of your best videos, yet! Such a clear and well reasoned ( and balanced) discussion on the different sensors. Quite illuminating - if you will pardon the pun! Thanks for doing this.
You're welcome, I'm glad that you like this video, thank you for watching!
I am just sending the link to this video to a friend of mine!
Great video, had me reaching for like and subscribe, but I already did! One of the few on CZcams who approach this topic in such a balanced, neutral way and from a real-world perspective. Thank you for getting the comparisons right with regards to the aperture equivalence, too - this is something that is so often done wrong or left out entirely. Keep it up!
Thank you, this indeed is very controversial and complicated topic, I'm glad that you like this video.
I really like your videos, learn a lot about cameras (also love the occasional pics of Bratislava in which i've been) and i am looking forward to up my photography quality by getting a full frame sony (huge jump from my humble nikon d3300)
Thank you, that will indeed be a significant improvement.
The best and most informative video of yours ever ! Congrats 👏
Thank you, I'm glad that you like it.
This is really good. There are so many videos out there nitpicking at theoretical points that, while technically correct, are pretty misleading compared to the experience of actually shooting with m43 or FF. I'm another person who uses both and I feel like you completely nailed their real-world pros and cons.
Thank you, you said it well, some interpretations of the technical aspects are indeed misleading when it comes to real-world situations.
I have done an odd experiment with 6D, SL2 Canon and MFT Lumix - where I am shooting close-ups and trying to evaluate how sharp the lens or sensors are - my comparison is based on me shooting FILM for many many years - and I am not impressed with digital sharpness. I've tried using autofocus as well as manual - and nothing compares to slide or color negative film sharpness - IMHO. AM I imagining things or is this also a complaint with everyone. I have used prime lenses, zooms, Canon, Tamron, Sigman lenses - and nothing is as sharp as film. I will say that out of the 3 cameras - the 6D produces sharper images than the SL2 or MFT. Any feedback is welcomed.
Great, very reasonable and balanced overview! Actually one of the best on the topic that I happened to come across.
It would be worth mentioning Speed Boosters for the sake of completeness. These can cost as much as a lens, but can help getting nearly a full frame look even with M43 (as close as one can possibly get). Of course with all the hassle around it (lagging AF or in fact mostly manual focus, corner softness, chromatic aberrations).
Thank you, the speedbosters are separate topic, I will make a video about those in the future, but you can also get speedboosters for full frame cameras and use medium format lenses, so I wouldn't say that the possibility of using speedbooster is an advantage of sensors smaller than full frame.
High five for that drop of truth at the end!! And awesome video man!!
Thank you!
Amazing video, as always! Thank you.
You're welcome!
Hello. I have recently tridepos Panasonic g90 as well as Sony A7 II. The later give me a wonderful image quality but felt very old. The other camera give me that kind of flat images. Still a more modern camera. Not sure which way to go.. there is also a lot of mirrorless aps-c cameras. What would you get today?
A7 III or X-T4.
PLs can you tell your opinion about Panasonic g80 in comparison with fuji xt20. Most use is youtube videos and photo of my family. What to choose? Thanks for answer.
I haven't tested X-T20, so I unfortunately can't compare those.
Nicely balanced video. Excellent overview, or summary, of the different form factors.
Thank you!
6:44 How did you create these images? Just raw files with lots of editing to bring back the detail?
Yes, those are RAWs with recovered highlights and shadows and some extra editing.
I'm curious. Would you say that m4/3 has advantages over full frame when it comes to video? Am I wrong in noticing that rolling frame can sometimes be an issue with the Sony full frame cameras?
Generally, no, although Sony has to process much more data from the sensor, which causes that rolling shutter shutter.
So: are you saying then that at any given f stop m43 lenses are two stops slower than ff lenses?
I snapped a few low light photos with my m43 camera @2.8/30/iso200 and they actually looked a little brighter on screen than photos shot with an apsc sony @2.8/30/iso200 using a ff lens. What am I missing?
ISO is supposed to compensate for light gathering capabilities of sensors, so you should always get same exposure with same settings regardless of what camera you use. Problem is that manufacturers lie about ISO, so there can be a difference between ISO that you actually use and the value on the screen and another problem can be light transition of you lenses.
Bought my first "real" camera two years ago and after considering all the angles(or so I thought), I decided on m43 in the form of a Panasonic G7. Well, now that I know a lot more, I think I got lucky and made the right choice. I've since upgraded to a G85 and a GH5 and a couple of gimbals, a Sigma 16mm, a Lumix 25mm and 42.5mm, and a Laowa 7.5mm. I can shoot gorgeous 4k all day long without heat issues and even though I still have a lot to learn, this stable of cameras is not a limitation for me. And you add everything together, and I've got about as much invested in the whole kit as I'd have with a Sony FF and a kit lens.
Thank you for an interesting and (so far as I can tell) *accurate* discussion! The issue of total light versus light per square millimeter is one that is rarely explained well.
You give solid advice thank you. To me I heavily make my decision on the performance vs cost of the lens, camera bodies come and go but investment in the lens is more permanent.
Great explanations and awesome quality and content here. If you don't mind, what grip/cage is on that A6500?
Thank you, those are SmallRig cages:
SmallRig Cage Kit for Sony A6500 - amzn.to/2rjpcWQ
SmallRig L-Bracket / Base plate for A6500 - amzn.to/2s8bN3n
The Hybrid Shooter Thanks so much!
Great video that's very to the point. You really know your stuff.
Thank you!
Nice video, as always.
Personally, I would be interested in a real life image quality comparison between A7III with kit zoom lens (and a cheap prime ) and your G9 with the Leica lens (and a expensive prime). (case in which budget and portability would be in the same league...)
Or at least, you opinion on this subject?
Best regards!
Personally, I prefer the G9 with Leica 12-60 over A7 III and kit lens. The kit lens is fine but it has a bit of dull "kit lens look".
Have you ever used Samyang/Rokinon lenses? I'm considering getting the Samyang 35 1.4 for my A7 later this week and was wondering what you thought of it.
No, I unfortunately haven't used those yet.
5:54.... please tell me what optic use for this photo with G85 and how you elaborate the photo! Thanks!
That was shot with Panasonic 12-35mm F3.5-5.6 kit lens, with a bit of editing in Adobe Lightroom.
Im thinking about metabones speedbooster and sigma 18-35 for my G80, seems like a sweet spot between m43 and full frame. Wouldnt I be getting something similar to super 35 sensor size?
Yes, if you get 0.71x speedbooster you will get about 1.4x crop factor.
Very useful video guide as usual. Thank you my friend
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
Thanks for this review, so clear and easy to understand. When I bought into the M43 system I was aware of the depth of field implications compared to full frame, however was not aware of the differences of total light gathered and how that might impact image noise. You mention this around the 3:20 mark in your video and also go onto say that the increased base ISO of 200 on the 20mp M43 sensors goes some way to mitigating this. If you ever had the time, would be great if you could go into this in a little more depth. Also, would the dual ISO capability of the newer M43 cameras largely erode this total light gathering advantage the Full Frame sensors have?
You're welcome, ISO 200 just increases noise in comparison with ISO 100 and it you need to use faster shutter speed and more dense ND filters. Dula ISO won't help much, because new BSI full frame sensors have more multiple base ISO settings that are being switched automatically.
I would love to have a GH5 as a second video camera, but since I mainly use Sony FF for pictures a Sony APS-C felt like a wiser choice
Having both FF and APS-C Sony camera is very useful, because of the extra reach with FF lenses on APS-C.
Lumix G7 paired with sigma 16mm f1.4 really took the camera next level! Hyped about more DC DN glass.
Try the Laowa 7.5mm it takes clarity and ultra-wide to another notch with the G7. couldn't believe how much improvement that gave me.
I've used full frame, aps-c and now M43. Of the three I prefer the m43. quality is excellent, price of cameras and lenses are perfect for my budget
Same here. I switched from an a6300 to a Lumix G85 and I really love it. Only downside for me is the slower autofocus but the quality and the IBIS is really good.
@@RaffyUkon What was the reason to switch from A6300?
@@MrSojekEspecially the lack of in body stabilisation. Other than that, the a6300 was really good.
I just started on photography. I have a Sony Nex 5R...Now i have the chance to buy a Lumix Gx7 for 200 USD... M43 is that good to make the switch?
Truly legit commentary. Well said, thanks for the upload
An excellent, incredibly thoughtful video. I immediately subscribed after watching it.
Thank you, I appreciate your subscription!
Great video, very balancd. I love my Pen-F but would like to try out a bigger sensor sometime to get the original fov on adapted vintage lenses.
Thank you!
It's not full frame, but I just recently bought a used Viltrox EF-M2 II 0.71x speedbooster for my G85 (adapting M42/QBM to EF, then to MFT with the booster) and it's breathing quite some life into a few of my vintage lenses - might be worth a try if you can find it on the cheap (in my case I paid about 80€), and can live with a 1.42x crop factor in exchange for the world class IBIS and all the great usability of MFT bodies.
Since there is also a booster for Fuji, the X-H1 and X-T4 are becoming amazing options for adapting old glass with the benefit of IBIS and hardly any crop (1.06x after use of the booster, if I remember correctly). If you're still looking at a second system, that might be a way to consider going.
Thanks for the video. I could not decide which system to invest for - the video clarified the situation :)
Amazing video. Thanks!
Thank you!
Hi, I’m looking for a mirrorless camera and my budget is between 700 and 900 €. I like photography and video making and I was searching a camera for both photos and video. I already have a Nikon D90 and I was interested in a MFT camera (g80?) but I’m not sure. I’m not a professional photographer but I am improving my capabilities... is that a good choice?
Thank you for your videos, are well recorded, edited and commented 😄
G80 is very good camera for the price. Also take a look at Sony A6300.
Still with my dear a6500. Isn't perfect (dim screen, cropping in slowmo) but for price and seize it's really great comparing it to fullframe.
Excellent Video. Thank you for this.
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
I used to use the APSC format, but my issue with it became that it was hard to get your "classic" focal length primes on it (28, 35, 40, 50 70,135 etc.) because of the crop factor. It seems there are very few lenses actually designed for APSC. They are all just FF designs and focal lengths from the 35mm era stuck on a smaller sensor with a 1.5 crop factor to deal with. It was frustrating to try and find a fast prime with a field of view that felt "natural" to me. The one exception to this is Fuji. They have unique focal lengths that are designed for a crop sensor.
I switched to M43 for this reason. All their lenses focal lengths are half the FF equivalent and designed specifically for the 2x crop factor. I also just love the smaller form factor as I am more likely to take it with me out and about and can be more discreet when shooting.
I like how straightforward and unbiased this was. It is true that you have to find the format that fits your situation. For me that happens to be M43.
If you want the fullframe look on m43 why not use a focal reducer/speed booster?
Because it adds cost, size, weight and messes up the autofocus.
Big depth of field on MFTs can look great. Especially for video.
Thank you. Always appreciate your thorough reviews. I’m enjoying my a6500.
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
Excellent video! Commenting before watching the video
Thank you, I hope that you are right about that!
Great video as always, enjoyed the 10 mins (sweet and short) of it. I am not a professional but a hobbyist. I chose a camera that I could bring with me everywhere I go, hence weight is also important to me. I'm encouraged by others with their kind words when they saw the size of my camera which I used to take those photos.
Thank you, I it is always important to find out what suits your needs best.
Great video! Thanks for all the information
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
A lot depends on available light where you shoot and type of shooting. I shoot over 90% outdoors and I live the southern USA which is very sunny. I don’t really see the advantages to a FF vs the size , weight and cost. I am very happy with crop sensor sizes
For what I need, Fujifilm X100F is a perfect camera for me (at the moment). Great video, man!
Thank you!
Great video. Have owned a Canon 60d and Sony a99 but use my Panasonic G85 all the time now.
Thank you, G85 is indeed very good camera.
Since the Fuji. XT3 is only 1,300$ now , should I get that or the A7III for hybrid shooting? Things like documentaries, interviews and portraits of people.
Take a look at my comparison video, it mostly depends on your preferences: bit.ly/A7IIIvsXT3
Well said
Totally agree
You also forgot to mention the natural advantage m43 has for macro as well. More dof. Close shot for the crop factor. High res mode. Better stabilization. Really the best system for macro imo.
Thank you, M43 is indeed very suitable for macro, although the high-res mode and IS are advantages of specific cameras, not necessarily the whole system.
M43 allowes me to play around with different lenses for some variety, hvile letting me slip the camera in a jacket pocket when a mount the 20mm pana, and have the 14-150mm in the other pocket(em10 and elp-6 bodies). And you are right the image quality and depth of field will is less than full frame but but good enough for me.
Nice review as always - thanks - both cameras are great - m43 will make a lighter kit - and cost of G9 kit will be cheaper as Sony lenses are expensive -
I have M43 and APS-C and FF - the ergo on the G9 is just awesome - and great Touch LCD interface and nice menu system and awesome IBIS - but yes I love my Fuji XT2's as well and Sony A7 III - and also my many 1 inch cameras - including the Sony RX10 m4 - with 24-600mm range - try that in FF :) - so yes a 1 inch sensor is needed -
For street shooting I tend to use my M43 cameras more - and my Fuji Xt2's - only at night would I consider taking the A7 m3 - but only if I am shooting color and trying to have as little grain as possible - but at night I often shoot BW so grain not an issue - so a light kit is welcome - would like to see Fuji include IBIS in their XT3/4/5 body - which I guess will not happen - rumor says no IBIS in XT3 - and X-H1 is just to bulky for street shooting - so m43 is ideal - both Panasonic and Fuji have very nice BW modes - FF sure has its place as well - Sony seems to want to phase out their APS-C bodies - yes they are producing new bodies but very very few lenses -
Pentax Sony Fuji Panasonic Canon Nikon Olympus all have nice cameras for the most part - and there is no perfect camera - as there are various needs -
Interesting though to see how Sony and Fuji have really diehard Fanboys :) there are more old faithfuls of Nikon and Canon but not as fanatic :) Fuji has more of a Puritans, that hate Touch and IBIS etc - Sony Fanboys sometimes forget that Nikon and Panasonic and even Canon and Fuji that use Sony sensors :)
What about medium format cams? like Fuji's, Pentax's, Hasselblad's or others? I'm seriously considering bigger sensors to join my micro 4/3 collection (for architecture and design) and I'm equally considering skipping full frame (formerly small format) and go straight to medium format.
I don't see enough difference to justify big price difference and the lens selection of these systems is not very good. That may change with new 100 megapixel sensor, but those cameras will be very expensive.
Great commentary, I’m a beginner in photography so your videos help.
Thank you!
@the hybrid shooter have you been in bardejov ? :O 3:35
Yes, I have.
Probably the best comparison I've seen on CZcams. Eminently sensible. However I'm still torn between sticking with my Olympus or switching to Sony... 😀
Thank you, I appreciate your feedback!
What did you choose eventually? I had the same thought but eventually chose to stick with Olympus, partially for peace of mind but also because when I got the Leica 12-60 I was so mind blown by the quality of even casual pictures that I thought there's no need to change at all.
I'm glad Olympus came out with the EM5 MkIII, I can't wait to be able to afford it!
Excellent, accurate, and well-balanced analysis. Your videos are very good!
Thank you!
Wouldn't you get similar Bokeh by using a Speedbooster like the Viltrox on the MFT cameras?
Yes, you will, just like when you use speed booster and medium format lenses on full frame...
I currently use the MFT system to my satisfaction. But I have used all of them and enjoyed them all for their different qualities. I do think FF will probably be the future inevitably. But maybe MFT will become the entry level default camera for beginners after smartphones. Who knows. I love all the camera systems myself.
Unrelated to this video but something i don't understand: why are mirrorless sensors just left exposed when the camera is turned off? They all have mechanical shutters so why cant it cover the sensor when changing lenses. This is the case with DSLRs as both the shutter and mirror protect the sensor when changing lenses
I would also like to see that issue solved somehow, although dust in the shutter mechanism is probably even worse than dust on the sensor, so that probably won't be a solution.
Thank you! People complain about the G-Master series lens prices without understanding the physics behind them.
Thank you for your insightful and unbiased approach. I really enjoyed it. My 2 cents is that I have owned all sorts of systems and was never married to anyone f them. At the moment, I find Sony FF is the best fit for me and what I do. My only issue with m4/3 is the pricing. They are too expensive for what they offer and the quality they offer. Today, OM-D E-M 1II can be purchased for $1400 which is more to the actual value of the system rather than the $2000 original price.
aside from that, in this day and age, we have fantastic systems with strengths and weaknesses and have the choice to get exactly what we need. There is no barrier to creating great images/videos especially in regards to the hardware. I do not like the versus series either. There is no perfect system and looking for one is useless. Thank you for the great content.
Thank you, Sony FF system is very strong at the moment, and the pricing of the A7 III was also quite aggressive, so they have cough the competition by surprise. Hopefully it will positively affect prices of upcoming cameras.
Very balanced, helpful overview. Thanks!
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
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Great video mate! :) Very objective and informative. I love my 18-35 art, but i think i will dich it for Full Frame
Thank you, 18-35 can compensate a lot for the sensor size, I have compared it to full frame in this video: bit.ly/TamronVsSigma
Great video! Just bought the GH5s. Amazing camera but... still deciding if I want to keep it. I already want to upgrade to the full frame system even though Sigma 18-35 with the Metabones speed booster mimics the full frame look. I just love bokeh for product reviews. By the way, I need to sell my current speed booster as it is not working perfectly on the GH5s. The lens is vignetting. Damn, life is tough. Hard to choose a camera.
The speedbooster is unfortunately not meant for multi-aspect ratio sensor. If you want that full-frame look, full frame camera is indeed the best choice.
Which speed booster are you using? The XL or Ultra?
gen x tech guy the XL. It is vignetting up to 22 mm. Then it works very well. The speed booster Ultra works perfectly with the GH5s. May buy the Ultra and sell the XL.
Image quality is great on many m4/3, but you just don't have the same sensitivity and it's much more difficult to get the angles you need when working in tight spaces.
I'm not sure what you mean by sensitivity and you can get the same angle with M43 as with any other camera if you use the same equivalent focal length.
I'm waiting for good lens for sony aps-c in 20-28mm range and 1.4 aparture, beacause there is only expensive zeiss 24 1.8, and some fast zoom lens, I hope sigma will make their 18-35 native to sony e, or tamron will make some 2.8 for aps-c
I would like to see that happen as well, but I don't think that it will happen. All manufacturers are now busy making lenses for mirrorless full frame systems.
Sigma 16 f/1.4
What about Sigma 16? I got it, You can check my videos with this lens, it's nice but too wide for what i need most.
Nice video, and well said. I have the G9 and stopped using it because it is just too heavy to lug around. I bought into M4/3's because of the size/quality combo and I enjoy shooting with my GX8 more because it is so much lighter and easier to carry. While FF is intriguing, I'd just go MMF if I wanted a bigger sensor.
Thank you, I would also want to try medium format, but there is another price leap from FF, so would probably get some F1.4 FF lenses instead.
Very sober and well balanced video. Excellent quality as well.
Thank you!
Great video as usual you do know what you are talking about! I know you didn't have the time to go over everything but can you answer these things that bug me about the a73
1-the a73 the lack of features compared to the advantages of the 4/3rds G9 features per price of a full frame camera, to get the features of a G9 or EMii you would have to spend twice as much (you would have to buy the a7rii, D810) for a full frame camera. They have stripped down the a7iii
2-Also besides low light and dept of field do you really get that much more? Yes only if you pixel peep. I took two shots side by side a73 and G9 and the only time i saw a big difference (quality wise) is when i magnified to 100%.Yes the full frame files were cleaner but not by much and in real life how often do you magnify to 100% unless you are doing a lot of cropping.
3-What are your thoughts on comparing the stabilization of the G9, if i shot the G9 hand held for 4 seconds @ 800 ISO i can get a very clean shot, to achieve this with a73 due to it's poor stabilization you must go up to 8-12,000 ISO @15-30fps to achieve this equivalent (i have tried this when i had the a73) , the two pics were very close but the a73 shots were not as sharp. Sports at night the full frame easily wins but with any non moving shots it appeared to me to be about equal (with the G9 stabilization)
so can you really compare two picks at the same ISO when one has one of the best stabilization in the business?
4-Video wise you would need to buy a gimble to equal the stabilization of the G9 (i can send you my walking video comparing the G9 with a73 if you like) the a73 stabilization in video mode to me was not very good
5-What is your thoughts on apc D500, it is about equal to most full frame cameras in every way even close with dept of field. Because of this i am waiting for the new d760 it will have the features of the d750 plus the new full frame sensor
Yes a73 is a better all around camera for just taking pics and it is better with dept of filed without a doubt, but with video at night you must use high ISO's which nobody really wants to do but the a73 can easily handle it, but in good day light the G9 EMii will win with it's 18-20fps or 6k modes and 80mp mode. Please give me your thoughts on the above questions thanks again and good job God bless
I personally don't miss any particular future in A7 III. With FF you also get better dynamic range, smoother highlights roll-off, richer RAW files, more color depth and so on (generally). IBIS indeed helps with non moving subjects, but holding camera still for a couple of seconds in not always possible. I have never used D500.