Mauser Counterbore follow-up
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- čas přidán 7. 02. 2024
- Removing a nasty bore obstruction to allow the 1898 from episode 134 to be safely fired. NOT a tutorial...we show what you need to learn, not how to do . Cannot perform at this level? Do NOT attempt.
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I've had a barrel in that lathe and that makes me happy.
Dude, every time I see you do that with your cigar I feel like I can smell burning hair!
Yes, counterbores were an acceptable fix for muzzle damage, OUTSTANDING!
That's not rust , that's bore patina.
Cool repair well done
To the critics. If he didn’t counterbore it, it’s just a wall hanger.
He already ruined it in the first episode
@@SpliefDaGrief him blasting the gat at the ending of the video shows he didn't ruin it, but that he repaired it
@@SpliefDaGriefno he didn't.
SpliefDaGrief obviously doesn't know anything about gunsmithing. Zero.
Left alone, it would have been not just a wall hanger, but also a time bomb.
I always love when people go:"Oh there is this guy who has been doing this for 40+ years, but I have done it once in a shed, so I clearly know better!"
Another save. Outstanding work. Counterboring does not destroy accuracy. 9 Hole Reviews released a video today of a 91/30 Moisin shot to 500 yards with only 1 miss, and the bore was counterbored. Outstanding explanation Sir.
They shot that thing out to 800... But yeah. It is a very legit way to refurb a gun with a dead muzzle.
Both of my M-44's have counter-bored muzzles which were done during arsenal refinishing in Russia....and both shoot great. I don't think the one rifle was ever issued as it's pristine and likely didn't need the muzzle counter-bore...but I think they just did them all as it does no harm and is only a positive thing. Maybe for 'collectible' rifles a counter-bore is not desirable but functionally it's a great thing to have.
@@krockpotbroccoli65 they did, but to 500 with only 1 miss was very impressive.
What a coincidence, 9Hole Review just posted a vid shooting a counter bored Mosin out to 800 yds!
A lot of mosins got counter bored
Nice work. Nice equipment. You turned a wall hanger into a shooter.
The people complaining about "ruining" a historic piece are usually the ones responsible for it to be in such a bad condition in the first place. Having no idea how to do the proper maintenance and somehow believing that the accumulated gunk on it has historical value...I've seen so many guns which look nice on the outside but are rusted messes under the wood, it's a shame.
Because it’s a cop out for not caring to care or clean your guns
People are so damn sensitive. Nothing about that job "ruined" that barrel. That job kept that rifle in the gene pool for the next 100 years. Well done gents!
I don't understand the hate towards counterboring the barrel. That is a legitimate arsenal repair made by all the arsenals of Europe and beyond during the time period this rifle was made. The muzzles wore out from being cleaned by steel rods and got counterbored. Not a big deal.
Were it my rifle I might have recrowned it too but that's captain's choice on a job like this.
You gave this rifle a new start, what you did for this 100 some year old beautiful rifle was a blessing. Because of your hard work, this rifle will last another hundred years hopefully
The counter bore turns this "Hey, wanna see my Mauser?" into "Hey, wanna shoot my Mauser?" I imagine that there are a lot of machinists out there that would have run an indicator on the outside of the barrel at the muzzle, and called that good.
A lot of people forget that these are functional tools first and foremost, and are only worth scrap if they arent functioning properly. Those are the types of people who'll cringe at any maintenance and repair that isnt WD-40 and a barrel swab
Probably the same people who emthuse about the patina on their historic piece?
I think a lot of people having negative views of your work are probably just used to seeing the kind of idiots who don't know what they're doing destroy things based on the idea that everything old should be " improved " by bringing it to their perception of factory new condition.
I hate when people do that to everything from a hammer or axe to a knife or a firearm.
People need to learn the different between a rehabilitation and a restoration, and they need to understand that something is only new once.
Counterboring was a normal practice during and after WWII during refurbishment, especially by the Finns with captured Russian rifles.
I did the same on a 1903 Springfield from 1933 where I assume soldiers in the past had worn out the front rifling completely away with poor cleaning routine.
After counter boring and machining a new crown on it she shoots 100%.
What surprised me about this wasn't the fact that the barrel got counter bored. It was that, apparently, there are people who consider that "ruining" a gun. Years ago I was looking at Mosin Nagant rifles. Virtually every example that's not a Finnish rebuild and dates to before the 1930 redesign has a counter-bored barrel. Any country that needed servicable rifles, but couldn't afford to replace their entire inventory, did that.
Seen a few examples in various surplus rifles...they always seemed to shoot true.
People got mad over a counterbore? That's how a rifle like this would have been repaired by the German army to begin with. Some people are impossible to please. Gotta say, that's a beautiful piece, and the light pitting in the steel is very attactive. I kind of wish guns came out of the factory like that.
I have several Mosin 91s captured by the Finns. Almost all of them were counter bored, presumably by the Finns.
Didn't the Finns rebarrel a lot of their Mosins with higher-quality Sako barrels, or was that just the M39? I know the M39s had both the new Sako barrels and improved open sights.
Uncle Buba would have just upped the powder charge, he sure looked funny with that bolt sticking out of his head.
As Adam Booth would say, "Tighten your highs and loosen your lows"
I love watching a skilled lathe operator. Excellent work.
Don’t read the comments from the animals in the fields. You are amazing Sir.
I saw one of the comments and it was totally without foundation. The owner of this rifle can now enjoy it
@@kamelionify Bonus...it's MY rifle.
You make it look easy. But, that is fine work.
Great job. I'm glad you showed the time it takes to set up the machine. People don't realize how time consuming this is.
I love watching your videos on these old war rifles and sporting arms of the past!
The way you take the time to dial in a 0.0001" to counter bore this beauty and restore the barrel to shooting condition is a work of art!
I have seen a few rifles having this done, and you could tell it wasn't recent, and it has been fired quite a few times since, shows the process works!
Marvelous, thank you for showing and explaining such a fascinating technical work around, to make such a fine old rifle, safely shoot-able again. 👍
Counter bore is the best call ! Very nice job Sir . Done that more than once or twice my self.
Preparation, knowledge and skill turning a wall hanger into a shooting rifle - what's not to like
A counterbore is literally just shortening the barrel without it being visibly shorter from the outside. That's all. As long as it's done correctly the only effect it will have is the same effect that would occur if you shorten the barrel by the same amount.
Mark, you are a friggin WIZARD! I've learned a lot from watching you, but in no way could I ever master the art of smithing like you have. You clearly are the "Master of 5 Magic's" God Bless.
I just find watching you artists at work just so relaxing! Thanks, gents.
There you go folks a True Master Gunsmith at work . nothing else needs to be said.
Arsenals counter bore frequently. The condition of the throat and muzzle is critical. It’s harder to deal with throat erosion. But you can get a lot of life out of a barrel after a counter bore
Brilliant job guys! I have a 303 with the same problem, I fired a few shots threw it after soaking in knoil. It worked a treat and it shoots lovely.
Counterboring was reasonably common to save barrels on military rifles. When I imported a batch of Nagant rifles, there were more than a few with counter bores several inches deep as an example…
How is fixing a gun seen as destroying it? If it couldn’t have been fired then it’s a stick, you’ve given its life back! 🙏
probably because you're "damaging" original parts like the barrel
@@adamheywood113An already damaged barrel.
Well, if the gun belonged to Kaiser Willhelm, then it you can argue altering it is destroying a historical artifact. But this wasn't that. They made something like 91-125 million of these rifles and this wasn't in showroom condition. It really wasn't anything much more than a wall-hanger, so counterboring wasn't destroying it. And yeah, it'll give somebody the ability to experience "the feel" of using one of these guns, which brings history alive.
@@jd9119 I’d like it if the artifact kept working if you ask me, nothing lasts forever!
@@jaiseman5919 Would it matter if it worked or not? You're not going to shoot a gun with that much value. I really don't know what you would do to preserve it though.
Love watching and learning techniques of manual machining, i developed a great interest after going to work at a shop where i had to teach myself how to run a lathe with zero experience.
Hey Mark, great content. I'm not particularly into guns, since I have no need for them, and by the end of the day they're just tools. but I do like old crap, history and mechanic ingenuity, and you deliver on all fronts.
the barrel IS the rifle. Every thing else is what make the barrel work.
There is a lot of truth in that statement.
While a 'new' barrel could be installed, it ruins the value more than counter boring the muzzle, and many old mil surp have been counter bored, so it doesn't affect anything on this old beauty!
The cigar behind the ear... I'm dead. 🤣
I do the same thing with my carpenter's pencils and Sharpies. I even walk around with them like that sometimes. Wish I could stick a lit cigar up there, would make my job easier some days, but I work at a VA hospital. ☹️
Nice work my friend. Most might have “thought” this was a SIMPLE fix but you did the best thing all around. Wonder how a mod 70 would stand up to that same setup?
Hmmmm….
He’s right I’ve been screwed a few times by people because I didn’t check the bores right always bring a light and check that bore
Such precise work. Who knew it would be fun to watch?
Good work, I've had to do a job similar to this. In my case, a round was lodged 3 inches near the end of the muzzle of a colt lightning in 22 that was completely rusted all through the bore. Saved most of the bore except that last 3 inches that had been plugged with a round+water+dirt+rust (Horrible storage on client side), discussed it with client and agreed to have the 3'' chopped. After that, indicated and re-crowned on lathe. Went to a range and the group at 20 yds was horrible, restoration for shootability was fine, performance not so much. Good job on your side
Beau travail !
Toujours intéressant de te regarder.
Merci Mark
You’ve convinced me that I need to find a friend with a large lathe… it would be a pleasure. ;)
I can hear the keyboard kaptain mouser wifle kollectors screaming from my house Mr Novak!
I have a Turkish Mauser manufactured in 1940 that when I first saw the front muzzle I thought it was a 410 Shotgun, but found out that it had been counter bored at some point in its life.
Not just the Turks.
A LOT of Lee Enfields ended up with the same affliction.
Folklore had it that an oiled piece of cloth poked into the muzzle, was an ideal way to preserve a barrel. This was, apparently, common among target shooters..
I eventually found the direct evidence in a forgotten cupboard. The rag had dried out and become "crumbly". Very likely that the decomposition of the oil had also produced an acidic residue. This particular one was living in a reasonably "dry" part of the country.
There are several better ways to look after barrels.
Counterboring / "auxiliary" rifling The latter, first. VERY difficult, fiddly bit of "engineering"; unlikely to be worth the expense, even if you found a "matchingg" piece of the same type of barrel..
Straight counterboring? Not just the Turks got up to that caper.
In the "good old days", I scored a genuine battlefield "pickup' Russian SKS that had "patina" but was all there and looked like it had "been places". That chrome-lined barrel had been counterbored back about 3/4 of an inch to leave a crisp "internal" crown.
Why not just lop off the offending bit?
The folding bayonet locks over that proper muzzle section. What sort of revolutionary type would forego the ability to use a byonet?
I have seen a number arsenal refurbished Mauser rifles muzzles with their countered bored before they were put back in service.
Thanks man! I learned something today. I never thought of using the steady rest in conjunction with the 4 jaw to zero the muzzle. I like the way you think.
The surgery was a success, Doctor Novak.
people would probably be shocked to learn how many of their milsurps have already been done this way....long ago
Your videos are very informative and flat amazing
Thanks mark again for a great video, Man of many talents.
Fantastic work, well worth it for a fine old rifle such as this.
Interesting. Mesmerizing. Precision. Mastery. Skills. More videos please.
Very informative. I have a no1mark4* barrel that will get the same treatment. Guns not worth much but the experience gained in doing the repair will be worth the effort.
Awesome Mark! Thanks again for your detail to details, Cheers! I'm lighting a cigar now, LOL
drill shanks are neat measuring tools, hole measuring, o ring grooves, centers.
New life. Well done Mark.
Another one ready for duty, good stuff, No you did not ruin a relic, excellent job.
Very enjoyable episode Sir, thank you.
Best Wishes to everyone.
Thanks Mark. Wow very interesting and informative
Nice work!! I really like the wheel attachment on the micrometer I've never seen one before, I need to find one!!
Thanks for the deep dive into this.
Considering the German Empire's solution to a bad barrel was often to replace the barrel entirely, I think it is fair to counter-bore instead of throwing away an otherwise historical barrel.
Ah parce qu'il y en a qui sont capable de critiquer ce travail !!!! Moi je ne me le permettrait pas. Mark est l un des meilleurs. Beau travail comme toujours
THANK you Mark for another great video 👍👍👍👍
My favorite channel.
Facinating stuff thanks Mark
NICE JOB! That's a counterbore indeed!
fantastic ......Great explanation
Thanks for the walkthrough.
People who question Mark abilities need to slow their roll. The man knows what he’s doing.
Just a bunch of basement dwellers that have never had grease on their hands, their opinions are not with the amount of piss it'd take to fill their shoe.
It amazing watching a master at work great video
It sucks having to do that to a rifle that otherwise appears to be in great shape but at least it is now can be safely shot
Thanks for a “plain English” explanation of the lathe setup. I understand a lot of the work you do, but lathes go into a version of heavy lifting in your art I have never been able to wrap my head around.
A lathe can be seen as a horizontal drill press.
You can put a bar of steel in the jaws, and use a file or cutting tool to modify the outside surface of the stock.
You can mount a drill bit, reamer, in the tail stock jaws, and drill or smooth holes in the inside of the stock.
A lathe is a very versatile tool, and if you do metal work, you should invest in a small lathe!
Yes sir - it's just, frankly, fascinating (and a little overwhelming) to consider the precision. Functionally, I "know" a bit of what lathes can do, but the operation, set up, and results? Man, it's all black magic, lol. I always enjoy Mark Novak's videos due to the explanation and the time setting up shots and going a bit "deeper" into some of the nuance and rational. @@jeffreyyoung4104
Hello, that's a nice looking rifle. I once had an 1895 Chilean.
Counterboring is kind of standard way of repairing the front of a barrel when you have a good barrel but a mucked up tip of the bore.
I have a French MAS 36 that’s counterbored. Think it’s counterbored only about an inch or so in. Doesn’t bother me a bit. It’s for shooting.
Once again Mr. Novak, thank you for yet another great video!
Damn, that is REAL machining.
Beautiful result.
It's your gun Sir . Do whatever you please .
Great work
Bought a auction rifle that had that done to it. It shoots great very accurate
Master Gunsmith.
Brilliant job!
Outstanding ... Again ! 😊
Is what you did there essentially the same as chopping that much off the barrel and moving the front sight back? Basically gave it a new crown while preserving the overall appearance of the rifle?
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I unblocked the comments section for this exact reason.
@Mark Novak you know if you didn't tell us that you counterbored the barrel, few people (if any) would've ever noticed it.
And that's the point, eh?
True, most people would assume that the counter bore was an original feature. In a sense, in a military rifle, that would not be a bad idea. Troops are well known for doing less than nice things to their guns and more than one bore I have seen looks like the gun spent a few days with the muzzle stuck in the mud and then fired clear.
I can’t stand folks who get poopy about fixing old guns, they are tools they were built to be used, not decorate a room with…
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I agree with keeping an old gun usable but i dont agree with sporterizing. If you want a modern gun get a new gun dont dress up a 90 year old rifle into a ruger american lookalike.
@@craigthemonke794Old mauser actions on bad barrels seem to be salvageable, ask Larry whatshis face. So I partially agree, Don't sporterise a good gun, but do cannibalise wrecked guns.
Smarter then me on this stuff , Thank Mark cool video.
MASTERS at work!
Awesome job!
Relining the barrel and precision welding of both ends to conceal the liner has been done in the past with excellent results.
Who paid the bill for that? Just curious......
Sounds great but unless you are paying yourself$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'ddddddddduh.
The people who accused you of ruining that gun have watched too many fake gun restoration videos.
just throw it in the micro vibrator and your now a restoration expert!
I never seen someone rest a lit cigar in their ear 😆 Mark is the man lol
I guess it depends on whether you want a functional rifle or a museum piece
Awesome video thanks for sharing this information with us six stars sir