Hart Trophy Check In With Locked on Lightning

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  • čas přidán 24. 03. 2024
  • We are joined once again by Adam Denker of Locked on Lightning to check in on the Hart Trophy race, which we all believe is still a two headed race between Nathan MacKinnon of the Colorado Avalanche and Nikita Kucherov of the Tampa Bay Lightning. What has changed since we last did a cross over with Adam a couple months ago in the race? Has one pulled ahead, has there been anyone new to the mix joining them (McDavid)?
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  • @ryanjulian4148
    @ryanjulian4148 Před měsícem +6

    One thing I got out of this is that Kyle makes an interesting point. Does the Hart goes to a person that wills his team into the playoff, or a player/leader that makes his team better, that doesn't only expect more out his team but also more out of himself. I think the race for central is not only going to win MacKinnon the Hart and the Art Ross naturally, it's because to him winning is everything. If its going to give the Avs advantage of home ice, he's all in. Propabaly Zadorov said it the best“If I were to build a team, I would build around (MacKinnon) over those other two guys."

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem +1

      Chicken and the egg convo that usually surrounds the award

  • @madamebattleaxe4257
    @madamebattleaxe4257 Před měsícem +3

    DANG I LOVE THIS PODCAST AND THE CONVOS OF THE FOLLOWERS!!!!...
    Micieli and Doom should win the podcast award!!.. you guys are right there with Joe Rogan😁😁
    But having Mackinnon on our team keeps the Avalanche is some great conversations and shows the rest if the league that we will not go away😊😊

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem

      We are literally nothing if it wasn’t for listeners like you Madame Battle Axe! Thank you 💚

    • @madamebattleaxe4257
      @madamebattleaxe4257 Před měsícem +2

      @shaggyvondoom thanks!!
      I know the LOA nation appreciate you guys!!
      Sooooo...
      I had an opportunity to hear a VERY small portion of another team's Locked on podcast. And I am so glad we have you guys. Your honest and transparent. This is what listeners appreciate 😁😁

  • @matambale
    @matambale Před měsícem +4

    I've seen several Avalanche players poke the puck, while flat on the ice, to another player.
    I've not seen any player other than a furied MVP Nate Dawg go 200 feet with the puck, untouched, and score a goal.
    Surprised that the ice didn't split in half.
    And it's absolutely fine Nate got pissed off at the non-call. That's a "Here we go!" moment.

  • @thenextgreat8652
    @thenextgreat8652 Před měsícem +4

    Regardless of who wins, can we all just appreciate what we’ve gotten to see out of Mack this season? It’s the best season a player in burgundy has ever had and there are still 11 games to go. I do think if it’s so tight it feels like a toss up between Mack and Kuch, I think the combo of Macks streaks along with Kuch mocking the all-star game will be the deciding factor. I also think it’s definitely a three horse race and our last two games vs the Oilers could play strongly into the decision.

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem

      Absolutely can not be taken for granted, I agree

  • @doug3512
    @doug3512 Před měsícem +10

    I think a great player is even more impressive when they step up and elevate an already excellent team.
    If you're talking about which player has a 200 foot game, talking about Kucherov hitting is kind of a joke. MacKinnon lays more hits, and has blocked TWICE as many shots.

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem +2

      I always love the 200 foot game topic lol

  • @thekidcomn5938
    @thekidcomn5938 Před měsícem +6

    Oh, BTW, Kucherov is a +6. Mackinnon is a +31, with a so-so goalie. I rest my case.

  • @samhatfield7732
    @samhatfield7732 Před měsícem +4

    The last player to win the Hart and win the Cup in the same year was Joe Sakic in 2000-01.

  • @pstandlee
    @pstandlee Před měsícem +4

    Love the cross overs.

  • @chefgoldblum1450
    @chefgoldblum1450 Před měsícem +4

    Great episode. 👍

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem +1

      Thanks for being there and enjoying it!

  • @JamesJGross-dt8gk
    @JamesJGross-dt8gk Před měsícem +3

    You guys make a real good argument for Nathan going all out for this award. My gut feeling is that he cares somewhat about it, but mostly does not.
    give him another Stanley cup and if the prize goes to someone else, I do not think it will break him that’s why we see such selflessness & top flight to score, he sends out a pass and someone else,
    well,
    the whole team gets the goal. Saying all this, I’m reminded of Captain Joe Sakic. An absolute 10:33 sniper, but But greater than that, all about the team.
    Just my gut feeling

  • @giacintomatera9345
    @giacintomatera9345 Před měsícem +5

    When you have the conversation of the MVP it only comes down to 1 fact you need to consider Mac is chasing history and a Gretzky record and he’s within grasp ,,, just Mac being in that conversation makes him the winner

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem +1

      That does hold some once in a generation type weight

  • @prochrgedLT1
    @prochrgedLT1 Před měsícem +2

    Pixelated Shaggy with Ricky Bobby hands this morning. 😂

  • @samhatfield7732
    @samhatfield7732 Před měsícem

    As an Avs fan, I understand the argument for Kucherov. The reason I understand is that it is the same argument we had for MacKinnon in 2019-20. MacKinnon was 43 points ahead of Makar, the next highest scoring player on the team. Draisaitl was given the Hart that year, playing with McDavid with Draisaitl winning the Art Ross and McDavid coming in 2nd.

  • @182mattyboy
    @182mattyboy Před měsícem +4

    Firstly am I biased? Yes! But Nate for the hart, here’s why
    Nate is SECOND in NHL history for longest home point streak behind the great one
    Now holds the most points in a single season for the Avs franchise
    These two things are unlikely to be beating for a long time (if ever)
    All in one season this is clearly his best season of hockey so far so he should be reward with the Hart
    But there’s more, some of those other things that might get overlooked, no Landy so stepping up as a leader, helping LOC to his first ever Hatty
    Also I get the argument for Kucherov and how he’s pulling the lighting into the playoffs
    But there’s more
    Game winning goals this season
    Kucherov - 6
    Mac - 9
    Nate has clearly been more valuable
    Gentlemen I rest my case #Nate4theHart

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem

      Sorry when it comes to award votes we don’t look at stats , thank you for your time 😂😂 jk

  • @AvAlanchian
    @AvAlanchian Před měsícem +2

    Kuch is amazing, he never stops racking up the points but I’ll make the NHL a deal: Hughes can have the Norris but only if MacKinnon gets the Hart this year. Fair?

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem +1

      I’ll text ole Gary Bettman now lol

  • @JamesJGross-dt8gk
    @JamesJGross-dt8gk Před měsícem +3

    What would his overall mood be if he won the Hart and lost a cup. He probably wouldn’t be taking too many interviews.

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem

      Oh it would not be a fun time to be in his circle lol

  • @thekidcomn5938
    @thekidcomn5938 Před měsícem +1

    I chuckled at the comment that Mackinnon doesn’t whine or complain. I was at the Sunday game, and he was whining a lot.
    Mackinnon definitely wants the Hart, and I hope he gets it. However, there’s no denying that Kucherov is having a great season. Vargar makes a good point about McDavid.
    As far as Captain, Nate leads on the ice through example. Makar is the guy you put in front of the press. You can tell he was watching Landeskog.

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem

      I had to hold it in myself lol

    • @SirSiegrist
      @SirSiegrist Před měsícem +1

      I think Vargar's argument is weak for McDavid. When people talk McDavid all they ever bring up are points, which there are other trophies for. Yes, the Oilers had a decent run this year to get out of the basement, but compared to the season Mack has been having, McDavid shouldn't be in the conversation.

    • @thekidcomn5938
      @thekidcomn5938 Před měsícem

      @@shaggyvondoom , I was pissed at the game. The first period and a half was a joke.

  • @missmeliss888
    @missmeliss888 Před měsícem +2

    #GoAvsGo We are are a tear! Woot woooo
    #Kennedy24 #iDeclareMyIndependence #DeclareYourIndependence #HealTheDivide

  • @dkba52
    @dkba52 Před měsícem +2

    Great stuff.

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem

      No you are the great stuff 🤜🏻🤛🏻

  • @tophercabba
    @tophercabba Před měsícem +1

    it aint an episode of LOA with out chirs freezing lmao i called this out a month ago and then he went a month with no freezes lol see if it can happen again lol

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem

      We gotta keep everyone on their toes lol

  • @kaydirling
    @kaydirling Před měsícem +1

    Mikko was by far the MVP of the team last year. If he hadn't single-handedly kept the team afloat in December/January, the Avs wouldn't have made the playoffs. He tallied 50 goals and over 100 points and didn't even make the conversation for the Hart. It's a mystery how they determine "most valuable."

    • @user-lt3td9dv5z
      @user-lt3td9dv5z Před 13 dny

      AGREE! Why was Mikko not in the conversation last year?

  • @chr0nicbacon719
    @chr0nicbacon719 Před měsícem

    Dude get it together boys

  • @rhyshall182
    @rhyshall182 Před měsícem +5

    Kucherov disqualified via skills comp letdown 😆 Mackinnon wins by default 💪

  • @madamebattleaxe4257
    @madamebattleaxe4257 Před měsícem +2

    And shaggy is so right...
    We need an agreed upon vocabulary. What is the definition of value and how is the committee using it...

  • @dkba52
    @dkba52 Před měsícem +3

    Avs management looking like genious

  • @wesphillips3978
    @wesphillips3978 Před měsícem +1

    Bottom line is at the end of the season sometimes somebody is gonna get snubbed. MacK has already been snubbed in favor of Kuch. This time around it's gotta go the other way.

  • @fst96max
    @fst96max Před měsícem +1

    Locked on Lightning?

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem

      Yeah we had to do a home and home series in the spirit of sportsmanship

  • @petrpumpkineater
    @petrpumpkineater Před měsícem

    Makar won the Norris despite 10 less points than Josi because he's the best defenseman! Take away the points & it exposes serious flaws in Kucherov's game & season overall. MacK is head & shoulders above Kuch in all aspects hockey. Kuch has shown he takes shortcuts while MacK sets the standard: on the ice bull rushes and driving play & off ice workouts (inspiring guys like Ritchie to emulate). It isn't even an argument IMO

  • @UncleSkoden.
    @UncleSkoden. Před 29 dny

    Do you guys still believe Mackinnon is Hart winner if he finishes 3rd in scoring race?

  • @lj291261
    @lj291261 Před měsícem +2

    Only the Stanley Cup matters! I bet McDavid would give up all his trophies for the Stanley Cup.

    • @thekidcomn5938
      @thekidcomn5938 Před měsícem

      Yeah, I agree. That’s always been my argument. I’d give up awards and money to be a CHAMPION.

    • @LockedOnAvalanche
      @LockedOnAvalanche  Před měsícem +2

      The Cup is the grand prize. It doesn't mean individual awards are meaningless just because they aren't on the same level as a Cup.

    • @thekidcomn5938
      @thekidcomn5938 Před měsícem

      @@LockedOnAvalanche , I agree, but I’d rather be a champion any day. Even Jack Johnson (whom I love) and Nico Sturm will always be remembered as such. McDavid can have all of his awards. He’s nothing without a Cup(rhetorically speaking, of course).

    • @LockedOnAvalanche
      @LockedOnAvalanche  Před měsícem

      @@thekidcomn5938 I think the big difference between guys like MacKinnon and someone like Sturm are things in addition to Cups. Someone like MacKinnon wants to be known as one of the greatest ever. Cups are taken into that equation but for someone like him so is MVPs, scoring titles, All Star appearances, everything. So for Sturm him career achievement expectations are a lot lower than MacKinnon.

    • @thekidcomn5938
      @thekidcomn5938 Před měsícem

      @@LockedOnAvalanche , correct. However, do you think that Mackinnon would rather have an MVP or Cup?

  • @SolitarySilenced
    @SolitarySilenced Před měsícem +1

    If either of these teams were missing Kucherov or MacKinnon they'd be much worse teams. Kind of a moot point Denker makes.

  • @tophercabba
    @tophercabba Před měsícem +1

    are they do that to kyle on purpose lmao wtf lol

  • @rachle81
    @rachle81 Před měsícem +2

    kuch lost me forever when he hurled his gloves at a member of the TBL staff like a big whiny pee-pants baby in the waning seconds of game 6 in 2022. Frustration is one thing but being a classless a-hole to someone on your own team’s staff is such a bad look. Chuck helmets at other players like a reasonable human; don’t take out your anger on your staff/coaches/trainers.

    • @shaggyvondoom
      @shaggyvondoom Před měsícem +1

      Valid point ya bring up

    • @petrpumpkineater
      @petrpumpkineater Před měsícem

      Devil's Advocate: MacK screamed at Bednar on the bench on camera years ago. MacK has plenty of emotion too

    • @rachle81
      @rachle81 Před měsícem +1

      @@petrpumpkineater Correct, he does. Which is why I made the helmet throwing reference. 😉 However, there’s quite a stark difference between shouting at your coach and physically assaulting someone on your team’s staff who is just doing their best to help you. It’s not a good look for kuch.

  • @kevinrufner8333
    @kevinrufner8333 Před měsícem

    Kuch has 7 empty net goals. Get rid of those and he isn't in the conversation.