@@andyastrandLeto believed he could survive on Arrakis by harnessing “desert power” so it wasn’t until he saw the dire state of Arakeen wrought with Harkonnen sabotage that he began to see that his death was likely inevitable.
@@0rinthian Exactly. Without being able to produce spice, from one hand or another--be it Harkonnen or a war from upset houses--he saw his end was coming.
Yes. Not for lack of trying. If he had more time, he could've harvested desert power (befriend and be an ally to the Fremen) and can stand up to the Harkonnen and the Emperor both. Thufir Hawat had already had the plan in place, they were conducting it (Idaho joining the Fremen, etc) but the timing didn't work out for them, and in the movie, it was even faster at neck-breaking pace, even in the 2nd one. So yeah, if only Duke Leto had more time, he likely would've accomplished what Paul would accomplish by the end of the book.
Damn we’re still on this whole “beards are cool” thing? This is like when bacon was everywhere and liking bacon was seen as a personality trait for trait by some.
this makes much more sense in the books. The Bene Gesserit sisters are literal drones absolutely loyal and controlling of all mankind (up until leto 2). While Jessica is a "rogue" figure, Leto remembered that she was part of that order.
it's the truth... and it was very telling how quickly she was able to answer the first question but then took a moment of realization when he asks for the bene Gesserit's response. She knows she's fake af and she knows he can see that.
Such a sad scene. You can feel the melancholy coming from Leto, regretting that he only loved Jessica as a concubine and not as a wife. When he and Jessica are laying in bed it such a tender moment, Leto knows the game is up and wants to spent time with the woman he loved. 🥺
He loved Jessica, vice versa, but he knew to follow 'form' and a 'single' Duke signaled that possible future alliance could still be made with another great house, that's all political maneuvering. Jessica understood this very well. She loved him too so instead of following the BG's order to birth a daughter, she birthed Paul. Paul would do exactly like his father, he knew whom he loved and whom his real wife is, but he would have to follow the 'form' too.
In the book, Jessica explains that she could have used her BG training to manipulate Leto into marrying her but didn’t to allow him to make a possible future political marriage. It also emphasises the struggle between Jessica and Leto’s personal and public personas. He’s a powerful political leader and she’s part of an ancient order; the two forces often clashing. They so rarely have moments to express their true feelings which is what makes “I thought we had more time” and “I should have married you” so heartbreaking.
He always knew, most leaders in the great houses are well aware. They just dont say anything because they know the BGs association will benefit them, whether that's simply just sex or helping gain more political footholds.
I also love that the moment he says the words "Bene Gesserit" the musical score changes. A hissing sound starts in the music similar to the chanting score earlier in the film when the Reverend Mother's spaceship landed to give the test to Paul.
Leto bought her from the Bene Gesserit when she was 15 because she was trained in clerical skills, to take care of business. That he would fall in love with her was only natural given her training by the Bene Gesserit. That she fell in love with him was a betrayal of the sisterhood and her training. She was ORDERED to give Leto a daughter not a son. She was in essence a failed Bene Gesserit.
@@sasaazn Yes they can. The books never say precisely how (I suggest you read them, they infinitely better than the movie in explaining the intricate working of the minds). I suspect by increasing or decreasing body temperature at conception. They can manipulate their bodies like no other. Prana Bindu training it’s called in the books. None of the movies ever really show just how fast Jessica and Paul can move or how deadly their bodies can be. The Voice is explained a lot better also, it’s not so much a one tone but a voice modulation for every person based on how the Bene Gesserit reads them. Their ability to read minute facial expressions or twitches or voice tone is what gave them the nickname “witches” as they seem to read the mind. The books are far better at explaining what happened to Arya in the womb when Jessica drank the water of life (and changed the poison inside her body to make it not poison) and became a Reverend Mother. But she was a “wild” Reverend Mother because her memories were from Fremen Reverend Mothers, not Bene Gesserit. Treat yourself to the books! You will find a surprise in there that the movies got horribly wrong with wokeness concerning Liet Kynes
in the movie they do not mention that Thufir and Duncan does not trust Jessica at all, and think she is the traitor inside House Atreides. In that manner, this scene makes much more sense
in book they think so after a fake lead was delivered to Hawat, to take away attention from Yueh, Hawat appoints Duncan as a guard to Jessica, but later Duncan gets drunk and spills it... Jessica questions Hawat and also uses Voice on him when he tries to leave before Jessica allows him.
Thurfur and Gurney consider her treacherous. I don't recall Duncan having much of an opinion about her. Later Gurney tries to kill her to avenge his Duke. She and Paul talk Gurney down, she then forgives him for his loyalty to her duke. In the book Jessica and Gurney become lovers.
Лучше бы Чани сыграла Дейзи Эдгар Джонс, Вильнев ее утвердил. А Зендаю ему пришлось взять, как и Кайнса ему пришлось на темнокожую женщину поменять. Тогда всё персонажи были бы на своём месте 😢
Stupid and ridicolous, wife is a wife, mistres is a mistres thats it. If you want to be called wife marry the dude for goods sake! In the end its the emperor dotuther, the WIFE that was spoken of.
@@hannibalburgers477 they were called concubines but with the way that history will be told about them in the future, they’ll be seen as the true wives of Paul and Leto. Leto, for not marrying anyone despite the political advantages to it and Paul for being formally wed to Irulan but not actually consummating the marriage and instead spending his time with Chani
well if you were wondering, he never married her because it gave his house even more political leverage. as a duke with his own planet, he would make a VERY powerful match with whoever he chose but by remaining unmarried, it left the option open to other houses to try and make an alliance through marriage. now leto was completely in love with jessica and never had any intention to marry anyone else; everyone knew this but the sheer possibility was there so other houses were always trying to get into his good graces or find a woman that would draw him away.
@@chance1774 In addition to that, I believe that in the book, the emperor low-key wishes Leto would marry his daughter, Irulan. He takes her to see Leto's picture and says "If only you had been older when time came for this man to choose a woman.". There is no formal reason Irulan couldn't be wed to Leto, despite the age gap, but even the emperor knows he won't marry anyone but Jessica.
"I just thought we had more time" is a great way of encapsulating all the political intrigue that results in the destruction of House Atreides without going into the novel's detail. You get the point.
She already knew that the Order had protection in place with the Fremen. She desperately wanted to protect Leto too. The Bene Gesserit did not trust Love. They consider it too volatile.
This movie is an amazing piece of cinematography and musical scoring. Listen to the musical score in the background. When Leto asks "... the Bene Gesserit", the music has subtle whispers to it, and the same percussive rhythm we hear when Reverend Mother Mohiam visits, and when the Bene Gesserit ship leaves. Then as his suspicion wanes, it is replaced by the music similar to what we hear when the Atraedes are preparing to leave Calidan- but slower, more mournful.
0:48 - "I'm not asking his mother, I'm asking the Bene Gesserit". I didn't get this at first, but it's an incredible foreshadowing. I'm not spoiling this scene beyond the fact it has multiple layers, like pretty much everything in Dune.
Jessica+Leto>>>> they're so amazing!!! OTP. They've a deep emotional connection & intimacy & not necessarily needs words or physical touch. They understand each other so well. True soulmates 💕💓
He didn't know the Emperor and the Baron were in cahoots. He thought it was just the Baron. See if that secret gets out, the entire Universe would know the Emperor conspired against one of the Great Houses. Thats why in the book the Saudukar wore the Harkonen uniform.
“I thought we’d have more time” How did he sense that the attack was so imminent? What happened during their first week on Arrakis that made him go from (1) thinking he could build ‘desert power’ with the Fremen to defend themselves to (2) feeling like it’s hopeless and they’re about to get taken out?
They already knew it was a death trap. They were prepared, yet there was always the considerable chance of loosing all in a surprise attack (moreover if the Harkonnens had a traitor inside the Duke's household and the support of the Sardaukar). If I recall correctly, the main attack took place at Arrakeen, yet other strategic points with Atreides garrisons were also attacked at the same time. Besides, cultivating "desert power" was going to take more time than they had. For House Atreides, time was as precious a resource as the spice.
By then he had seen the sabotaged equipment. Confronting the arbitrator, she said something like, "families like yours come an go.... protect your family". So he realized a) no support from emperor´s arbitrator despite evident sabotage b) a more than obvious warning that he and the family are in danger -> the emperor will strike. It is entirely believable that he was very gloomy after this revelation, fearing the worst.
And that love that Jessica has for Leto and Paul is the reason why the Sisterhood wanted house Atreides wiped out! They tried for generations to control their men but couldn't because they inspired loyalty, love, and respect. They couldn't bend them to the Benne Gesserit's will.
@@CarvedStones One could make the argument that Paul and his own son had the capability for such brutality as a result of the Harkonnen admixture. In fact, the Bene Gesserit's breeding program had designed to mix the Atreides and Harkonnen lines even more so, with Jessica's hypothetical daughter marrying Feyd Rautha and therefore producing their ideal Kwisatz Haderach. It's interesting the power given to genes in Dune. I think what you're talking about is totally intentional
@@grottphd9090 Right but Leto II had love for what he was doing too, he had to sacrifice his own humanity and bastardized the atriedes name to teach them a lesson and to save them. Leto II is the true Kwisatz Haderach that the bene gesserit needed but didn’t want. It also makes it more tragic for Leto I and his father Paulus who was loved by his subjects and died for them, a tragedy.
@@SrAntonio301 It's a palace, built on sandstone, in a desert, in a feudal world in a far future. Do not project your ideal of a living space and get some perspective.
listen to the way oscar isaac says "he's distracted." it sounds like it came from timothee's mouth! now, I wonder if they coordinated their way of speaking on a personal level
You think that Yueh will have done what done what he did if he have foreseen The Baron's true deal with his wife? Is something that is bothering since I started the book.
@@berun9204 I don’t think he would if he knew. I feel like this point of the plot is a bit too simple though. But I guess people do dumb things for love sometimes. Oof.
@@berun9204 he knew; in the book it's pretty clear he thought his wife dead, and just wanted to be *sure*, and then join her (in death). His deal was that the Baron would let him join his wife if she was dead, or kill her and then let him join her.
@Lexi Gold he couldn't live with the doubt and if she was alive, the Baron Would torture if Yueh refused to obliged, still Would hace murdered her because why not, and not the witness policy, and Yueh wouldn't being able to live with it. God, there was not way out to being with, what a picture
Well in the book it was perfectly clear. She gambled on the test because she has delivered a son and Paul becoming the Muad'dib would be the only survival path for him and the House. If Paul was left simply untrained, after the Hakkonen attack all would be ruined.
That's exactly the "bene gesserit" part that's in motion right there. She was clearly in distressed but she still did it, which means she ultimately places her faith into her own religion over her own family, which clearly makes her not the best mother around.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Honestly, as someone who only watched the movie, I don't think it was that obvious that she had any higher expectations. It looked a bit as if she was just too conditioned to disobey the old crone to the point she couldn't/wouldn't oppose her openly even for her own son's sake, and as such was reduced to hoping he'd pass the test rather than take a stand herself to spare him the ordeal. It didn't really make for a good impression to say the least, though her obvious anguish during the scene softened the blow.
@@Mah92812 Like I said, she places her "faith" into something that her son could be something GREATER than himself through her own beliefs but she's still putting her own son's life in peril who she obviously loves but she has two things she cares about clashing onto one another. That's why she's both conflicted in that scene in a couple of others. It makes her fascinating but not entirely a morally good person.
“I should have married you.” “There’s a drive-thru chapel in the Vegas Neighborhood, so…” I mean: An entire desert planet, previously run by the Harkonnen, and not ONE neighborhood or city like Vegas?? Cmon!! Vegas-on-spice would be KICKING!!
There needs to be a spinoff about two spice harvester techs who get spiced as fuck and decide they want to buy stillsuits at the nearest Sietch. Hilarity ensues.
He regrets not marrying her but in reality he couldn't. He had to keep his options open if a political marriage ever became possible. He felt sorry personally, but politically his hands were tied. I suppose Jessica knew how he felt but sometimes you just have to say how you feel out loud even if both people know each others true feelings.
She disobeyed the Bene Gesserit and the Reverend Mother personally, and gave birth to a boy. That's how much she, a cynic pragmatic Bene Gesserit sister, fell in love with the duke. He must've been an ultra chad.
the music at the last part is GORGEOUS. it sounds very very Vangelis and yes i know he's dead. it's linked with Bladerunner 2049 which is also Villeneuve.
Villeneuve's DUNE movie does the best as what a film can possibly do in order to condense a jampacked book more fit for a season or two of television and not make it feel so jarring, complicated, and confusing to people unfamiliar to the source material. Focusing on a small cast of characters' arcs is of upmost importance but so is naturally writing in all these factions' motives to clue the audience in of the universe around them. Leave everything else up to interpretation because that can be filled in from reading the books. I would probably say this film does an even better job than LOTR Fellowship of the Ring when it comes to translating a book that baked in lore into film without effing up the pacing at all, and FotR done it masterfully. I watched this movie for the 6th time, twice already on HBO max. :D
My family honestly thought that second scene was him cheating on Lady Jessica with another woman he thought he should have married. They refuse to believe it's the same woman/ actress. They don't understand that he wasn't allowed to marry her.
@@MuadDiiib one traitor doesn't prevent there being a second; besides Jessica isn't split between Atreides and another house, but between the Atreides and the Bene Gesserit's wider goals. She isn't 100% loyal to their house.
O Phob1a you may be right and he is wondering about what Thufir and Duncan has said, but it's much deeper. You see I think he is processing the information as if Thufir and Duncan are looking inward to his woman as the traitor, it shows that whomever they are fighting are able to hide their hands. Meaning they are manipulating them for one and two are able to move around without being caught and maybe maybe have already defeated them strategically and are just waiting to go tactical with them aka attack. That is why he said I thought we had more time, because the enemies of his are already moving against him and he can't see when or how.
I found the same motif (F#->E) in this clip was also used in Oppenheimer, although by a different composer. In both the films, it conveys the sense of impending doom very well
Here's something to make you sadder. According to the book, Lady Jessica was to bare a daughter as part of the Bene Gesseret breeding plan. Meaning Paul was to be a girl and meant to marry Duke Harkonens nephew. But, Jessica genuinely fell in love with Leto. He treated her unlike any concubine would be treated. He gave her the title of Lady. Meaning she gave Leto a son becasue she loved him so.
I'll never understand why Atreides would placed himseld and the entire line on the one planet THEY KNEW the enemy would attack. I mean even SunTzu said if your enemy knows where you are, then dont be there.
The emperor told them to go there. In the books it is clearer that their options were go to arrakis or flee from the empire entirely. If they disobeyed the emperor he would have just sent the sardaukar to caladan
@@bennie_ could he not just send thufur and Idaho and a bunch of soldiers? why does he HAVE to be on that planet? Vlad Harkkonen never left Geidie prime and he sent Rabban didn't he
@@southernfriedmedia3968 i think that they got arrakis in exchange for caladan not in addition to. Then also, arrakis needed a good strong leader to manage the planet which kinda fell on leto's shoulders and some say the house was too small to split between two planets. Even though they expected an attack they thought it would be small attacks bc of the cost of transporting military with the guild. In the books it costs the harkonnens like 60 years of spice profits to fund that large attack. Leto also wanted to ally with the freman to assist him when the harkonnens attack (desert power he talks about) but the harkonnens were too fast
@@southernfriedmedia3968 yeah there was no choice; go to Arrakis or turn renegade. They figured heading to Arrakis and preparing as well as possible for the inevitable attack was their best option, and Thufir miscalculated the wealth the Baron would be willing to use up for his attack. It's a mix of belief in their own ability, underestimation of the enemy's potential, and hope that *if* they succeed then Arrakis could offer them wealth and power enough to cement themselves as leaders in the Landsraad.
He would have needed proof of the Emperor's plans/betrayal to convince the Landsraad to rebel. without them a rebellion would be just as futile as waiting for the hammer to come down.
@@davecrupel2817 Actually she did, the music is your clue, when he speaks of the BG their whispers come in. Then when she steps forth and places a hand over Letos heart the Atreides theme overpowers the BG. Soundtrack played a huge role in this movie, basically a stand in for the inner monologuing.
I don't understand why "I'm not asking his mother, i'm asking the Bennet Gesserit." is so important, I watched both movies. Can someone please explain?
Basically, Jessica has two side to her. Her being a mother to Paul and the other being a Bennet Gesserit. Leto wants insurances that her other side, being a Bennet Gesserit, would not compromise her being a mother to Paul. Remember, Jessica job was suppose to make a female heir with Leto for her order. She broke that. So if push comes with shove. She could forsake Paul if the Emperor does attack to maintain her status as a Bennet Gesserit. He is essentially saying yes as his mother you are to protect him. But I also want to know if you were to make a decision based on the order you come from that you will still protect Paul.
1:31 - I get the feeling Yueh went with the plan because he knew too much about the betrayal. He knew the Emperor was involved, he knew the Sardaukar would tore the Atreides army in Arrakis or anywhere else, and it was next to impossible for House Atreides survive a combined attack by the Sardaukar and House Harkonnen, so by going with the plan and betraying the House Atreides, at least he was trying to at least save his wife. It was all he could do. In such light, even a traitor can become more sympathetic.
Got to admit... they hit the original novel pretty good. See what happens when Chani (Zendaya) has more of a role. Chani didn't have much in the original novel.
She was his concubine who's purpose was to give him an heir to secure his line. Like in times of old, it was better to marry into another great house and secure alliances, which is why he didn't marry Jessica who did not belong to any great house which would have wasted an alliance opportunity, although he did love her. So no, they never married.
@@ilqar887it was the Bene Gesserits plan for Leto and Jessica to bread a child(particularly a daughter) so that child can bread with a male Harkonnen to produce the Kwistaz Haderach the male who can become that of a reverend mother but more powerful. However obviously she chose to breed a son(Paul) instead of a daughter out of love for Leto and to produce him an heir to house atreides . Their love life was to serve a purpose not be naturally organic hence why he said he wished he married her
It's been many years since I have read Dune, but my impressions were that Leto really wasn't that great of a politician to begin with. Despite House Atretius' reputation for honor and dignity, it's usually cunning and ruthlessness that gets you to the top. It's clear that Leto wanted to assume leadership of the Imperium but made it too obvious with him accumulating talent and training elite legions that were second only to the Sardukaurs. He made the biggest textbook mistake when it comes to powerplay for the Imperium. I the wise words of Sun Tzu, know yourself and know your enemies, and in a hundred battles, you will never be defeated.
Its never explained what is going on in letos mind. I suppose he had visions of the future and somehow accepted that his time was up? I wish there was a more logical explanation to why he was so defeatist.
@@unowno123 Full alertness can't beat losing your central command in the middle of a confusing and overwhelming situation. For one thing, they weren't expecting Sardaukars, for another, they have little to no information on the enemies' plan while their forces were scatttered about.
The fact she doesn’t answer REALLY shows how distrustful her intentions are and she’s the furthest thing from being “mother of the year”. When you prefer your religion over your own family, than you’ve lost yourself completely.
@@carlyofearth LOL Are you for real right now? Just stop talking, seriously, the "order" is CLEARLY meant to be a religion and it's analogous TOWARDS real life religions. The story of Dune is supposed to be reminiscent TOWARDS real life events as the story of Dune is a cautionary tale that people are supposed to take to hear as there are lessons to be learned FROM the narrative to take with you to real life. This isn't "cOnFlaTiNG rEAL liFe" AT ALL as most "tales" are meant to be thematic and have a message to tell as Dune is supposed to remind people of real life events. I AM "taking in her character" as what I'm saying is EXACTLY what her character is SUPPOSED to be as intended by the author and how the "bene gesserit shaped her" doesn't matter AT ALL as Jessica as disobeyed the bene gerrseit by having a son which is something she WASN'T supposed to do but did it anyway. Jessica has a mind of her own and she has her own choices that SHE thinks that's right, what you're saying is automatically invalid as Jessica clearly isn't under every to Bene Gerrseit command as shown throughout her actions. This is something that Frank Herbert himself as said and MOST authors say about their works. And it's pathetic that you can't see that as the "fictional science fiction characters" have a message to TELL to the audience on what's what. Themes are MESSAGES and the POINT of the narrative within fiction. MOST to basically ALL science fiction characters and stories have message to tell here for the audience to think about and morals to prescribe onto others to think about. You CAN take your morality and place it o top of ANY work of fiction out there, what you're saying is just being ridiculously narrow minded in the worst way possible that's just PAINFUL. You BADLY saying "tHe bEaUtY Of fIcTiOn iS GeTtInG OuT Of yOuR OwN HeAd aNd eNtErInG SoMeOnE ElSe's" is such a painfully naive statement and it emphasizes on how clueless and narrow minded you really are here as the "beauty of fiction" is MORE than just "GeTtInG oUT Of yOUR oWn hEad aND eNTeRInG sOmEon That heart symbol REALLY showcases on how emotionally weak and sappy you truly are here based on your emotionally damaged comments here. You're just being overly sappy and emotional here in the worse way obnoxious possible. Seriously, STOP talking. You're JUST annoying people with your terrible comments here. You're just being weak, and annoying people, stop talking, for real. You're not proving anything except how ignorant and how native you are here, that's for sure.
@@carlyofearth also your entire channel is absolute trash and everything you’re saying about yourself and this “psYchIC” and “fEmInINe eNErGy” nonsense is laughably bad in every sense of the word. You’re JUST annoying people in the worst possible with your nonsensical ludicrous comments and channel and this “spIriTuAL” crap you’re trying to say to people as everyone can clearly see that you’re JUST a fanatic nutjob here whose trying to start a cult. That’s for sure. Stop, seriously, JUST stop! You don’t have “pOweRs” at all nor do you have any “psYchIC” or “cOsMiC” energy in the slightest, as NONE of that stuff is real at all. You’re JUST obnoxiously crazy towards others and you need therapy as you’re living in lalaland right now. That’s all there is with it with you. Nothing more.
@@easternlights3155 what she said was pure nonsense and failing to understand the story of dune and her channel is even worse and absolutely insane and explains why she’s saying all of this nonsense right here.
Political reasons, Marrying another Dukes Daughter or sister for an alliance makes more sense. The reason he didn't do that was bc he doesn't want another Wife so he regrets not marrying her
“I should’ve married you” Jessica is Baron Harkonnens secret daughter? Leto and Jessica already had a kid. Leto and and Vladimir(Harkonnen) are cousins. Sweet Home Alabama?
Dunno if that makes it better, but Leto and the Baron were probably incredibly distant relatives. The fact that Leto is mentioned to be "cousin of the imperial blood" and considered a close enough relative of the Emperor to have a legitimate claim to the throne, even though he is only the great grandson of the Emperor's father, tells us that in this universe, even very distant relations are considered cousins. The last shared relative of Leto and the Baron could have died a thousand years ago and they would probably still call each other "cousin".
I hate to say it but Jessica and Leto never had chemistry. Not in the book, not on film. The prequel trilogy of books tried to fix it, but Frank Herbert had no time for these two. Too much duty, not enough love, and not enough lust for one another if we're honest. They are partners. Leto is devoted to her because "You gave me a son." In that sense Leto doesn't deserve to marry Jessica because he qualifies it with legacy. It's cruel, patronizing, pragmatic, and speaks to whatever inadequacies he finds in her first. I have an ex. She gave me a daughter. I am grateful for that blessing. But if I were to say I should have married her because of our daughter instead of her, she'd be justified in being insulted.
Totally disagree. Jessica makes choices despite her orders from the Bene Gesserit because she loves Leto. When we meet them in Dune, they have been together already for 16 years, by that point they don’t need passionate confessions and angst, they’re an established partnership, and both Jessica and Lego’s thoughts and actions in Dune before his death show that they very much are devoted to one another. They demonstrate a mature love, not a passionate throw caution to the wind, demonstrative kind of love you’re trying to compare them to.
@@chocoalmondfudge That's the point. She belonged to no important House of the Landsraad (despite being secretly a Harkonnen heir). And she defied her Sisterhood in order to please him with an heir, not the instructed daughter that would have been the mother of the Kwisatz Haderach.
And the Duke, while remaining a bachelor, could still hope to arrange a political marriage that would increase House Atreides' prestige among the other Great Houses of the Landsraad. That moves the whole trama in "Paul of Dune", with Leto about to marry Ilesa Ecaz, heiress to Archduke Armand Ecaz, so both Houses might be united and taking into consideration that House Ecaz was a powerful actor in Landsraad politics.
@@Xerox482 Where the hell do you live where that’s the case? Certainly not in the civilised world… A piece of paper affects neither the ability to have sex and conceive a child nor the legitimacy of that child or who it’s parents are.
@@Xerox482 LOL You typed a bunch of arbitrary nonsense. As far as the Law is concerned, any court would recognize Paul as the son of Leto. A piece of paper doesn't magically nullify blood.
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"I thought we had more time" hits hard - he knew his death was imminent
He did in a way in the book in the banquet chapter specifically
In this adaptation I think he knew it from the moment his seal was placed on the Emperor's decree. "Is it done?" ... "It is done".
@@andyastrandLeto believed he could survive on Arrakis by harnessing “desert power” so it wasn’t until he saw the dire state of Arakeen wrought with Harkonnen sabotage that he began to see that his death was likely inevitable.
@@0rinthian Exactly. Without being able to produce spice, from one hand or another--be it Harkonnen or a war from upset houses--he saw his end was coming.
Yes. Not for lack of trying. If he had more time, he could've harvested desert power (befriend and be an ally to the Fremen) and can stand up to the Harkonnen and the Emperor both. Thufir Hawat had already had the plan in place, they were conducting it (Idaho joining the Fremen, etc) but the timing didn't work out for them, and in the movie, it was even faster at neck-breaking pace, even in the 2nd one. So yeah, if only Duke Leto had more time, he likely would've accomplished what Paul would accomplish by the end of the book.
I feel like this is Oscar Issac's best role to date.....partially because that's such an awesome beard.
Ex machina was better
@@Scorpionwincheater88 like them both a lot. Two if the best sci for films ever. But I have a special place in my heart for Dune.
laughs in moonknight
Agreed.
Damn we’re still on this whole “beards are cool” thing?
This is like when bacon was everywhere and liking bacon was seen as a personality trait for trait by some.
"i'm not asking his mother, i'm asking the bene gesserit" like a blade on the heart.
It's an awesome line.
this makes much more sense in the books. The Bene Gesserit sisters are literal drones absolutely loyal and controlling of all mankind (up until leto 2). While Jessica is a "rogue" figure, Leto remembered that she was part of that order.
She already knew that Paul would be given some cover. "For the Father, nothing".
it's the truth... and it was very telling how quickly she was able to answer the first question but then took a moment of realization when he asks for the bene Gesserit's response.
She knows she's fake af and she knows he can see that.
She's an operative who is deeply entrenched in a cult that vies for galactic domination...
Such a sad scene. You can feel the melancholy coming from Leto, regretting that he only loved Jessica as a concubine and not as a wife. When he and Jessica are laying in bed it such a tender moment, Leto knows the game is up and wants to spent time with the woman he loved. 🥺
He loved Jessica, vice versa, but he knew to follow 'form' and a 'single' Duke signaled that possible future alliance could still be made with another great house, that's all political maneuvering. Jessica understood this very well. She loved him too so instead of following the BG's order to birth a daughter, she birthed Paul. Paul would do exactly like his father, he knew whom he loved and whom his real wife is, but he would have to follow the 'form' too.
Why didnt he married her?
Leto wasn't married to jessica?....then wjy didn't he marry her?
Political reasons, he remained unmarried cuz other houses could be interested in House Atreides for marriage
In the book, Jessica explains that she could have used her BG training to manipulate Leto into marrying her but didn’t to allow him to make a possible future political marriage.
It also emphasises the struggle between Jessica and Leto’s personal and public personas. He’s a powerful political leader and she’s part of an ancient order; the two forces often clashing. They so rarely have moments to express their true feelings which is what makes “I thought we had more time” and “I should have married you” so heartbreaking.
"I'm not asking his mother, i'm asking the Bennet Gesserit."
He knows.
He always knew, most leaders in the great houses are well aware. They just dont say anything because they know the BGs association will benefit them, whether that's simply just sex or helping gain more political footholds.
He knows what?
She didn't even give a straight answer
@@danielawesome36That the BG are pretty much responsible for everything that’s happening in Dune universe, including his own house being destroyed.
@@aarots1 You're not the OP. The original commenter might have had a different idea in mind.
"I'm not asking his mother I'm asking the Bene Gesserit"
OOOOOFFF
I also love that the moment he says the words "Bene Gesserit" the musical score changes. A hissing sound starts in the music similar to the chanting score earlier in the film when the Reverend Mother's spaceship landed to give the test to Paul.
Because he knows that's Paul's best bet for survival. He didn't mean it personally.
Then she deflected the question.
There's a missing detail where everyone thinks she's the traitor among them. That's why he asks that.
Asking mother gesserit im the bene not his OOOOOFFF
Leto bought her from the Bene Gesserit when she was 15 because she was trained in clerical skills, to take care of business. That he would fall in love with her was only natural given her training by the Bene Gesserit. That she fell in love with him was a betrayal of the sisterhood and her training. She was ORDERED to give Leto a daughter not a son. She was in essence a failed Bene Gesserit.
Her folly screwed the Bene Geserit's plan so much that the order termed "Jessica's Crime" as a reminder that Bene Geserit must not fall in love.
So I have a question, can the Bene Gesserit women choose the gender of their baby and how??
@@sasaazn They just can, maybe thanks to spice and psychic methods.
@@sasaazn Yes they can. The books never say precisely how (I suggest you read them, they infinitely better than the movie in explaining the intricate working of the minds). I suspect by increasing or decreasing body temperature at conception. They can manipulate their bodies like no other. Prana Bindu training it’s called in the books. None of the movies ever really show just how fast Jessica and Paul can move or how deadly their bodies can be. The Voice is explained a lot better also, it’s not so much a one tone but a voice modulation for every person based on how the Bene Gesserit reads them. Their ability to read minute facial expressions or twitches or voice tone is what gave them the nickname “witches” as they seem to read the mind. The books are far better at explaining what happened to Arya in the womb when Jessica drank the water of life (and changed the poison inside her body to make it not poison) and became a Reverend Mother. But she was a “wild” Reverend Mother because her memories were from Fremen Reverend Mothers, not Bene Gesserit. Treat yourself to the books! You will find a surprise in there that the movies got horribly wrong with wokeness concerning Liet Kynes
Whoa, thank you for the explanation.
in the movie they do not mention that Thufir and Duncan does not trust Jessica at all, and think she is the traitor inside House Atreides. In that manner, this scene makes much more sense
in book they think so after a fake lead was delivered to Hawat, to take away attention from Yueh, Hawat appoints Duncan as a guard to Jessica, but later Duncan gets drunk and spills it... Jessica questions Hawat and also uses Voice on him when he tries to leave before Jessica allows him.
Thurfur and Gurney consider her treacherous. I don't recall Duncan having much of an opinion about her.
Later Gurney tries to kill her to avenge his Duke. She and Paul talk Gurney down, she then forgives him for his loyalty to her duke. In the book Jessica and Gurney become lovers.
@@jamallabarge2665 Duncan's supposed "not having opinions about her" might yet surprise you in "God Emperor Dune"
@@GrimK77 The Duncans in that phase of the saga were gholas.
A ghola has a lot to unpack.
@@jamallabarge2665 those adult had memories back 😆
That beard deserved more screentime.
“While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine-history will call us wives.”
Лучше бы Чани сыграла Дейзи Эдгар Джонс, Вильнев ее утвердил. А Зендаю ему пришлось взять, как и Кайнса ему пришлось на темнокожую женщину поменять. Тогда всё персонажи были бы на своём месте 😢
Stupid and ridicolous, wife is a wife, mistres is a mistres thats it. If you want to be called wife marry the dude for goods sake! In the end its the emperor dotuther, the WIFE that was spoken of.
Didn't history also called them concubines?
@@hannibalburgers477 they were called concubines but with the way that history will be told about them in the future, they’ll be seen as the true wives of Paul and Leto. Leto, for not marrying anyone despite the political advantages to it and Paul for being formally wed to Irulan but not actually consummating the marriage and instead spending his time with Chani
@@user-xd2ue5qt4kYou're just a racist, get lost
i didn't read the books so when he said "i should've married you" i was shook
Lol it was obvious that they weren’t married beforehand as she was just referred to as “his lady” and that’s it!
well if you were wondering, he never married her because it gave his house even more political leverage. as a duke with his own planet, he would make a VERY powerful match with whoever he chose but by remaining unmarried, it left the option open to other houses to try and make an alliance through marriage. now leto was completely in love with jessica and never had any intention to marry anyone else; everyone knew this but the sheer possibility was there so other houses were always trying to get into his good graces or find a woman that would draw him away.
@@chance1774 In addition to that, I believe that in the book, the emperor low-key wishes Leto would marry his daughter, Irulan. He takes her to see Leto's picture and says "If only you had been older when time came for this man to choose a woman.". There is no formal reason Irulan couldn't be wed to Leto, despite the age gap, but even the emperor knows he won't marry anyone but Jessica.
Yep. Lady Jessica is a concubine
@@chance1774Leto wanted to marry the emperors daughter.
These two nailed their roles, her especially.
This scene makes me cry. I haven't cried in years.
"I just thought we had more time" is a great way of encapsulating all the political intrigue that results in the destruction of House Atreides without going into the novel's detail. You get the point.
She already knew that the Order had protection in place with the Fremen.
She desperately wanted to protect Leto too.
The Bene Gesserit did not trust Love. They consider it too volatile.
When your entire order operates on manipulation and secrecy love is pretty volatile tbh.
because it is volatile and un-reliable
This movie is an amazing piece of cinematography and musical scoring. Listen to the musical score in the background. When Leto asks "... the Bene Gesserit", the music has subtle whispers to it, and the same percussive rhythm we hear when Reverend Mother Mohiam visits, and when the Bene Gesserit ship leaves. Then as his suspicion wanes, it is replaced by the music similar to what we hear when the Atraedes are preparing to leave Calidan- but slower, more mournful.
Hans Zimmer is the bomb
the musical score when Leto is asking about the Bene Gesserit, it has some hints at the score from the miniseries Children of Dune.
see my previous comment up there.
0:48 - "I'm not asking his mother, I'm asking the Bene Gesserit". I didn't get this at first, but it's an incredible foreshadowing. I'm not spoiling this scene beyond the fact it has multiple layers, like pretty much everything in Dune.
Honestly it feels kind of criminal that Oscar Isaac is only proud of his performance in Moon Knight when he did such a good job in this movie
Oscar Isaac is brilliant in everything. ‘Drive’, ‘Inside Llewyn Davis’, ‘A Most Violent Year’, ‘Star Wars’ and Spiderverse’… the list goes on!
@@stormtraitor6545his role in Star Wars is one of the few things I liked about the sequels.
That music sting after Duke Leto says “Bene Gesserit” is great because it denotes his awareness of their true power.
Jessica+Leto>>>> they're so amazing!!! OTP. They've a deep emotional connection & intimacy & not necessarily needs words or physical touch. They understand each other so well. True soulmates 💕💓
He didn't know the Emperor and the Baron were in cahoots. He thought it was just the Baron. See if that secret gets out, the entire Universe would know the Emperor conspired against one of the Great Houses. Thats why in the book the Saudukar wore the Harkonen uniform.
“I thought we’d have more time”
How did he sense that the attack was so imminent? What happened during their first week on Arrakis that made him go from (1) thinking he could build ‘desert power’ with the Fremen to defend themselves to (2) feeling like it’s hopeless and they’re about to get taken out?
They already knew it was a death trap. They were prepared, yet there was always the considerable chance of loosing all in a surprise attack (moreover if the Harkonnens had a traitor inside the Duke's household and the support of the Sardaukar). If I recall correctly, the main attack took place at Arrakeen, yet other strategic points with Atreides garrisons were also attacked at the same time. Besides, cultivating "desert power" was going to take more time than they had. For House Atreides, time was as precious a resource as the spice.
By then he had seen the sabotaged equipment. Confronting the arbitrator, she said something like, "families like yours come an go.... protect your family". So he realized a) no support from emperor´s arbitrator despite evident sabotage b) a more than obvious warning that he and the family are in danger -> the emperor will strike. It is entirely believable that he was very gloomy after this revelation, fearing the worst.
When he saw that the equipment was sabotaged and his son had an assassination attempt...he simply put two and two together
All the spice in the air made everyone "feel" or have a. Sense of what was to come
@@falkenherz1708 why were the atreides sent here to be killed?
She should have just said... yes!
May be as a bene , she won't won't be able protect paul
And that love that Jessica has for Leto and Paul is the reason why the Sisterhood wanted house Atreides wiped out! They tried for generations to control their men but couldn't because they inspired loyalty, love, and respect. They couldn't bend them to the Benne Gesserit's will.
Leto’s son and grandson ruled the empire with an iron fist, with Leto II taking control of the bene gesserit breeding program.
@@CarvedStones One could make the argument that Paul and his own son had the capability for such brutality as a result of the Harkonnen admixture. In fact, the Bene Gesserit's breeding program had designed to mix the Atreides and Harkonnen lines even more so, with Jessica's hypothetical daughter marrying Feyd Rautha and therefore producing their ideal Kwisatz Haderach. It's interesting the power given to genes in Dune. I think what you're talking about is totally intentional
@@grottphd9090 Right but Leto II had love for what he was doing too, he had to sacrifice his own humanity and bastardized the atriedes name to teach them a lesson and to save them. Leto II is the true Kwisatz Haderach that the bene gesserit needed but didn’t want. It also makes it more tragic for Leto I and his father Paulus who was loved by his subjects and died for them, a tragedy.
....a thousand deaths would never repair Yueh... ...and a thousand lives would curse Duncan...
Wait what why? I haven’t read the books but did duncan fuck up?
Please READ the books! ... Duncan "returns" ... in a very melancholy way.@@queenbee7266
@@queenbee7266 He was too good a warrior, and he was too admired.
His death would be repeated again and again because of it.
@@Ramschat Sardukar be like:
Ay man, this bro is good with the sworr! kill r 15 of us, will be a huge waste if we leave him here!
The Bull figure is really subtle to Leto’s impending demise
I'm no Dune expert, I've seen both movies...and I like this version best...it's more human.
Too clean, too sterile, no color, everything is so neutered and bland in this movie. They took zero creative risks.
@@SrAntonio301 how is it bland?
@@ailuianele look at the room they are sitting in. It doesn’t look like a living space.
@@SrAntonio301 Well in the book the room aren't that incredible either
@@SrAntonio301 It's a palace, built on sandstone, in a desert, in a feudal world in a far future. Do not project your ideal of a living space and get some perspective.
listen to the way oscar isaac says "he's distracted." it sounds like it came from timothee's mouth! now, I wonder if they coordinated their way of speaking on a personal level
omg ur right, now I can't unhear
Baron and Feyd had this going on in Part 2. I'm sure they workshopped the familial roles together.
Didn’t realize until I read the book. Yueh couldn’t look the young master in the eye. I want to hate Yueh so much but I just can’t.
You think that Yueh will have done what done what he did if he have foreseen The Baron's true deal with his wife? Is something that is bothering since I started the book.
@@berun9204 I don’t think he would if he knew. I feel like this point of the plot is a bit too simple though. But I guess people do dumb things for love sometimes. Oof.
@@randomcurrypuff6237 damn, you got a point. I think he knew but then again, nothing is that simple, not with the baron, not in that Universe either.
@@berun9204 he knew; in the book it's pretty clear he thought his wife dead, and just wanted to be *sure*, and then join her (in death). His deal was that the Baron would let him join his wife if she was dead, or kill her and then let him join her.
@Lexi Gold
he couldn't live with the doubt and if she was alive, the Baron Would torture if Yueh refused to obliged, still Would hace murdered her because why not, and not the witness policy, and Yueh wouldn't being able to live with it. God, there was not way out to being with, what a picture
interesting that she says she would protect him and yet she knew that the reverend mothers test could have killed him if he failed
Well in the book it was perfectly clear. She gambled on the test because she has delivered a son and Paul becoming the Muad'dib would be the only survival path for him and the House. If Paul was left simply untrained, after the Hakkonen attack all would be ruined.
@@dahliafenr it was obvious that she gambled with Paul’s life in the movie as well as she both cares and wants Paul to be more than just who he is!
That's exactly the "bene gesserit" part that's in motion right there. She was clearly in distressed but she still did it, which means she ultimately places her faith into her own religion over her own family, which clearly makes her not the best mother around.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Honestly, as someone who only watched the movie, I don't think it was that obvious that she had any higher expectations. It looked a bit as if she was just too conditioned to disobey the old crone to the point she couldn't/wouldn't oppose her openly even for her own son's sake, and as such was reduced to hoping he'd pass the test rather than take a stand herself to spare him the ordeal.
It didn't really make for a good impression to say the least, though her obvious anguish during the scene softened the blow.
@@Mah92812 Like I said, she places her "faith" into something that her son could be something GREATER than himself through her own beliefs but she's still putting her own son's life in peril who she obviously loves but she has two things she cares about clashing onto one another. That's why she's both conflicted in that scene in a couple of others. It makes her fascinating but not entirely a morally good person.
This scene is everything. The acting is on point. The score is sublime. It sets up the story perfectly. It’s just *chef kiss* so good
Istg Oscar Isaac is one of those guys who can play some super old or super young.
The reason: his beard
He is 44 irl, he could easily have a teenage son, his character isn't super old.
His older role fits him better
"Alexa, play 'Space Song' by Beach House." "Again?" "YES AGAIN, DAMMIT!!!"
Watching this after Dune 2... OOOOF
“I should have married you.”
“There’s a drive-thru chapel in the Vegas Neighborhood, so…”
I mean: An entire desert planet, previously run by the Harkonnen, and not ONE neighborhood or city like Vegas?? Cmon!! Vegas-on-spice would be KICKING!!
Harkonnen parties are the best!
(Until the slaughtering of the guests begins and then it's time to leave.)
There needs to be a spinoff about two spice harvester techs who get spiced as fuck and decide they want to buy stillsuits at the nearest Sietch.
Hilarity ensues.
@@wkcia Dude, where's my spice harvester?
I heard Carthag is pretty rowdy...
He regrets not marrying her but in reality he couldn't. He had to keep his options open if a political marriage ever became possible. He felt sorry personally, but politically his hands were tied. I suppose Jessica knew how he felt but sometimes you just have to say how you feel out loud even if both people know each others true feelings.
This part makes me cry, and I'm a grown-ass man.
Its alright to cry, youre not lesser for it. Shit like this happens in reality, maybe not at the scale of the film, but it does happen to people.
@@Darksky1001ableshit like what
Just watched dune 2. The relevance of this scene.
Notice how she didn’t answer him when he specified the bene gesserit
Can we talk about Ray William Johnson’s come up? He was great in this.
What happened to Leto....it was so very sad.
The actor that played him went home and counted his money. Nothing happened to Leto. It's all makebelief.
Don't feel sorry for that Atreides Filth!
@@j.vanderknaap9446 I dont know what to think of this are you a realist just plain funny or depressed
😇 thank you for suggesting option #2
@J. van der Knaap Wow you are breaking the fourth wall here....let's just focus on the plot of the movie shall we...
@@j.vanderknaap9446 oh wow no way i thought this was a documentary
She disobeyed the Bene Gesserit and the Reverend Mother personally, and gave birth to a boy. That's how much she, a cynic pragmatic Bene Gesserit sister, fell in love with the duke. He must've been an ultra chad.
the music at the last part is GORGEOUS. it sounds very very Vangelis and yes i know he's dead. it's linked with Bladerunner 2049 which is also Villeneuve.
Villeneuve's DUNE movie does the best as what a film can possibly do in order to condense a jampacked book more fit for a season or two of television and not make it feel so jarring, complicated, and confusing to people unfamiliar to the source material. Focusing on a small cast of characters' arcs is of upmost importance but so is naturally writing in all these factions' motives to clue the audience in of the universe around them. Leave everything else up to interpretation because that can be filled in from reading the books. I would probably say this film does an even better job than LOTR Fellowship of the Ring when it comes to translating a book that baked in lore into film without effing up the pacing at all, and FotR done it masterfully.
I watched this movie for the 6th time, twice already on HBO max. :D
I couldn’t have said it better myself 👌
My family honestly thought that second scene was him cheating on Lady Jessica with another woman he thought he should have married. They refuse to believe it's the same woman/ actress. They don't understand that he wasn't allowed to marry her.
They’re - son and dad literally are talking with the same tone of voice
Love the soundtrack..
Arwen/Aragorn: Happily ever after
Harry/Ginny: Happily ever after
Jessica/Leto: Tragically never after
harry and ginny were a terrible couple. felt so forced
She didn’t say she would…I have always mistrusted Jessica in the books.
Her loyalty was always divided and she always tried to walk both worlds I thought.
dude, it says near the beginning that Yueh was the traitor, sooooo
@@MuadDiiib one traitor doesn't prevent there being a second; besides Jessica isn't split between Atreides and another house, but between the Atreides and the Bene Gesserit's wider goals. She isn't 100% loyal to their house.
@Tin Watchman yes. Or at least nothing suggests otherwise.
@@lexigold8448 Didn't she betray the BG by giving Leto a son? Sounds like her loyalty to House Atreides is greater than to the BG...
I want the longer cut please
Paul will say the same thing to chani like Leto did jessica
He knows the game is up.
Love the symbolism of the impeding doom an the Bull fight
O Phob1a you may be right and he is wondering about what Thufir and Duncan has said, but it's much deeper. You see I think he is processing the information as if Thufir and Duncan are looking inward to his woman as the traitor, it shows that whomever they are fighting are able to hide their hands. Meaning they are manipulating them for one and two are able to move around without being caught and maybe maybe have already defeated them strategically and are just waiting to go tactical with them aka attack.
That is why he said I thought we had more time, because the enemies of his are already moving against him and he can't see when or how.
I found the same motif (F#->E) in this clip was also used in Oppenheimer, although by a different composer. In both the films, it conveys the sense of impending doom very well
That's right.
This track is called "Stranded" while the other track is "Can you hear the music."
Here's something to make you sadder. According to the book, Lady Jessica was to bare a daughter as part of the Bene Gesseret breeding plan. Meaning Paul was to be a girl and meant to marry Duke Harkonens nephew.
But, Jessica genuinely fell in love with Leto. He treated her unlike any concubine would be treated. He gave her the title of Lady.
Meaning she gave Leto a son becasue she loved him so.
Only the merger of these two jawlines explains Timothy Chalamet
Funny in the movie show how romantic Leto-Jessica interaction. Which were in the book, Leto insulted and berated Jessica 😂
Long live the Duke :(
Come on movie making people. Where is part 2 already? Lets go.
They just cast Feyd.
its really good
I'll never understand why Atreides would placed himseld and the entire line on the one planet THEY KNEW the enemy would attack. I mean even SunTzu said if your enemy knows where you are, then dont be there.
The emperor told them to go there. In the books it is clearer that their options were go to arrakis or flee from the empire entirely. If they disobeyed the emperor he would have just sent the sardaukar to caladan
@@bennie_ could he not just send thufur and Idaho and a bunch of soldiers? why does he HAVE to be on that planet? Vlad Harkkonen never left Geidie prime and he sent Rabban didn't he
@@southernfriedmedia3968 i think that they got arrakis in exchange for caladan not in addition to. Then also, arrakis needed a good strong leader to manage the planet which kinda fell on leto's shoulders and some say the house was too small to split between two planets. Even though they expected an attack they thought it would be small attacks bc of the cost of transporting military with the guild. In the books it costs the harkonnens like 60 years of spice profits to fund that large attack. Leto also wanted to ally with the freman to assist him when the harkonnens attack (desert power he talks about) but the harkonnens were too fast
@@bennie_ 60 years of profit for that? Maybe it was a foolish plan because it ended up killing the Harkkonens line
@@southernfriedmedia3968 yeah there was no choice; go to Arrakis or turn renegade. They figured heading to Arrakis and preparing as well as possible for the inevitable attack was their best option, and Thufir miscalculated the wealth the Baron would be willing to use up for his attack. It's a mix of belief in their own ability, underestimation of the enemy's potential, and hope that *if* they succeed then Arrakis could offer them wealth and power enough to cement themselves as leaders in the Landsraad.
Leto's other option= rebellion. Perhaps, he needed more time for that?
He would have needed proof of the Emperor's plans/betrayal to convince the Landsraad to rebel. without them a rebellion would be just as futile as waiting for the hammer to come down.
Makes you wonder what they did in that 4 hour of unaccounted time they spent together the first time they met 😂😂😂 (per the Dune Encyclopedia)
Even though she deflects the question and doesn’t answer it’s plain to see it’s a yes she would protect Paul
*It’s a simple YES or NO question..* 😒
And the Bene Gesserite did not answer.
@@davecrupel2817 Actually she did, the music is your clue, when he speaks of the BG their whispers come in. Then when she steps forth and places a hand over Letos heart the Atreides theme overpowers the BG. Soundtrack played a huge role in this movie, basically a stand in for the inner monologuing.
@@yoursafeplace8476 a sign of a truly masterful, or at least well-made, film.
She had already said yes years ago when she defied her order by giving him a son, not a daughter.
Again the question if i will if she ask another which isnt the same
she gaslights him immediately. The Gesserit clearly is of higher importance to avoid a question like that. which is clearly indicated in Dune 2
This movie is just a visual aid to the book.
If you haven't read it, the movie feels bare.
Just read it
Leto the GOAT
I really hope they keep Jared Leto out of this franchise.
He’s gonna be Leto II
I Do what i can i have almost no time is Paul Paul
Jessica and Leto and Paul and Chani reincarnate in their ghola forms in the last novel of Dune franchise and finally get their happily ever after.
If only he had lived to see what her and Paul became…
And his grandson, bro became a sandworm/human hybrid and became the god emperor.
Too late now.
I'm gonna die single and never married. 😔
Why did they have lousy security
I don't understand why "I'm not asking his mother, i'm asking the Bennet Gesserit." is so important, I watched both movies. Can someone please explain?
Basically, Jessica has two side to her. Her being a mother to Paul and the other being a Bennet Gesserit. Leto wants insurances that her other side, being a Bennet Gesserit, would not compromise her being a mother to Paul. Remember, Jessica job was suppose to make a female heir with Leto for her order. She broke that. So if push comes with shove. She could forsake Paul if the Emperor does attack to maintain her status as a Bennet Gesserit. He is essentially saying yes as his mother you are to protect him. But I also want to know if you were to make a decision based on the order you come from that you will still protect Paul.
1:31 - I get the feeling Yueh went with the plan because he knew too much about the betrayal. He knew the Emperor was involved, he knew the Sardaukar would tore the Atreides army in Arrakis or anywhere else, and it was next to impossible for House Atreides survive a combined attack by the Sardaukar and House Harkonnen, so by going with the plan and betraying the House Atreides, at least he was trying to at least save his wife. It was all he could do. In such light, even a traitor can become more sympathetic.
In the books, he knew that his wife is dead considering the Harkonnens so the betrayal part is more of spite and kill the fat bastard Baron Harkonnen.
Reading the books as a teenager I always thought everyone was more Asian idk why maybe having to do with great houses and having an Emperor
I thought they were married anyways. So Jessica is or isnt the Duchess of Caladan/Arrakis?
She is concubine, because letto must be a single for option in political marriage someday
And as a bene gesserit, she's not property owner either.
Got to admit... they hit the original novel pretty good. See what happens when Chani (Zendaya) has more of a role. Chani didn't have much in the original novel.
Зендая не должна была играть Чани. Роль предназначалась Дейзи Эдгар Джонс. ☝️😒 Она не справилась с ролью, не ее амплуа
"I should have married you."
I haven't read the books so I'm a bit confused, were they not married before?
She was his concubine who's purpose was to give him an heir to secure his line. Like in times of old, it was better to marry into another great house and secure alliances, which is why he didn't marry Jessica who did not belong to any great house which would have wasted an alliance opportunity, although he did love her.
So no, they never married.
@@orthellion2347but stil had son ..so whats the point
@@ilqar887it was the Bene Gesserits plan for Leto and Jessica to bread a child(particularly a daughter) so that child can bread with a male Harkonnen to produce the Kwistaz Haderach the male who can become that of a reverend mother but more powerful. However obviously she chose to breed a son(Paul) instead of a daughter out of love for Leto and to produce him an heir to house atreides . Their love life was to serve a purpose not be naturally organic hence why he said he wished he married her
Jenny Lind.
It's been many years since I have read Dune, but my impressions were that Leto really wasn't that great of a politician to begin with. Despite House Atretius' reputation for honor and dignity, it's usually cunning and ruthlessness that gets you to the top. It's clear that Leto wanted to assume leadership of the Imperium but made it too obvious with him accumulating talent and training elite legions that were second only to the Sardukaurs. He made the biggest textbook mistake when it comes to powerplay for the Imperium. I the wise words of Sun Tzu, know yourself and know your enemies, and in a hundred battles, you will never be defeated.
Its never explained what is going on in letos mind.
I suppose he had visions of the future and somehow accepted that his time was up?
I wish there was a more logical explanation to why he was so defeatist.
He read the reports. Easy to know you're in a bad spot when you have all the info delivered by the top Mentat of the known universe.
@@haihuynh8772 and not smart enough to keep half his army on full alert?
@@unowno123 Full alertness can't beat losing your central command in the middle of a confusing and overwhelming situation. For one thing, they weren't expecting Sardaukars, for another, they have little to no information on the enemies' plan while their forces were scatttered about.
She didn't answer yes.
Itd be nice if they showed that she missed him more in part 2
I agree but I feel like after drinking the water of life we lost a lot of the Jessica we knew
The fact she doesn’t answer REALLY shows how distrustful her intentions are and she’s the furthest thing from being “mother of the year”. When you prefer your religion over your own family, than you’ve lost yourself completely.
@@carlyofearth LOL Are you for real right now? Just stop talking, seriously, the "order" is CLEARLY meant to be a religion and it's analogous TOWARDS real life religions. The story of Dune is supposed to be reminiscent TOWARDS real life events as the story of Dune is a cautionary tale that people are supposed to take to hear as there are lessons to be learned FROM the narrative to take with you to real life.
This isn't "cOnFlaTiNG rEAL liFe" AT ALL as most "tales" are meant to be thematic and have a message to tell as Dune is supposed to remind people of real life events. I AM
"taking in her character" as what I'm saying is EXACTLY what her character is SUPPOSED to be as intended by the author and how the "bene gesserit shaped her" doesn't matter AT ALL as Jessica as disobeyed the bene gerrseit by having a son which is something she WASN'T supposed to do but did it anyway. Jessica has a mind of her own and she has her own choices that SHE thinks that's right, what you're saying is automatically invalid as Jessica clearly isn't under every to Bene Gerrseit command as shown throughout her actions.
This is something that Frank Herbert himself as said and MOST authors say about their works. And it's pathetic that you can't see that as the "fictional science fiction characters" have a message to TELL to the audience on what's what. Themes are MESSAGES and the POINT of the narrative within fiction. MOST to basically ALL science fiction characters and stories have message to tell here for the audience to think about and morals to prescribe onto others to think about.
You CAN take your morality and place it o top of ANY work of fiction out there, what you're saying is just being ridiculously narrow minded in the worst way possible that's just PAINFUL.
You BADLY saying "tHe bEaUtY Of fIcTiOn iS GeTtInG OuT Of yOuR OwN HeAd aNd eNtErInG SoMeOnE ElSe's" is such a painfully naive statement and it emphasizes on how clueless and narrow minded you really are here as the "beauty of fiction" is MORE than just "GeTtInG oUT Of yOUR oWn hEad aND eNTeRInG sOmEon
That heart symbol REALLY showcases on how emotionally weak and sappy you truly are here based on your emotionally damaged comments here.
You're just being overly sappy and emotional here in the worse way obnoxious possible.
Seriously, STOP talking. You're JUST annoying people with your terrible comments here.
You're just being weak, and annoying people, stop talking, for real.
You're not proving anything except how ignorant and how native you are here, that's for sure.
@@carlyofearth also your entire channel is absolute trash and everything you’re saying about yourself and this “psYchIC” and “fEmInINe eNErGy” nonsense is laughably bad in every sense of the word. You’re JUST annoying people in the worst possible with your nonsensical ludicrous comments and channel and this “spIriTuAL” crap you’re trying to say to people as everyone can clearly see that you’re JUST a fanatic nutjob here whose trying to start a cult. That’s for sure.
Stop, seriously, JUST stop!
You don’t have “pOweRs” at all nor do you have any “psYchIC” or “cOsMiC” energy in the slightest, as NONE of that stuff is real at all.
You’re JUST obnoxiously crazy towards others and you need therapy as you’re living in lalaland right now.
That’s all there is with it with you.
Nothing more.
@@Gadget-Walkmen damn, chill, they just said their opinion politely
@@easternlights3155 what she said was pure nonsense and failing to understand the story of dune and her channel is even worse and absolutely insane and explains why she’s saying all of this nonsense right here.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Brother youve gained nothing and lost what little respect you could have had.
Paul is with her in mothers palace
Leto should have stood up to the empire.
People say the acting made this a great scene……nope, it’s the beard.
Because you exposed your son to a pain loving sorcerous with a pointy pin….
Why didn't they married?
Political reasons, Marrying another Dukes Daughter or sister for an alliance makes more sense. The reason he didn't do that was bc he doesn't want another Wife so he regrets not marrying her
This what any man want to be madly loved by a dangerous women.
Женщина тоже хочет чтобы ее безумно любил опасный мужчина 😂❤❤❤
@@user-xd2ue5qt4kOf course Goes both ways
Lord. Have mercy. On my. Ovaries.
“I should’ve married you”
Jessica is Baron Harkonnens secret daughter?
Leto and Jessica already had a kid.
Leto and and Vladimir(Harkonnen) are cousins.
Sweet Home Alabama?
Dunno if that makes it better, but Leto and the Baron were probably incredibly distant relatives. The fact that Leto is mentioned to be "cousin of the imperial blood" and considered a close enough relative of the Emperor to have a legitimate claim to the throne, even though he is only the great grandson of the Emperor's father, tells us that in this universe, even very distant relations are considered cousins. The last shared relative of Leto and the Baron could have died a thousand years ago and they would probably still call each other "cousin".
Thousand years of bene gesserits careful eugenics lost because of Jessicas thirst for the himbo leto 2.
Why didn't he marry Jessica?
He needs his position as unmarried man to influence political parties into decisions that in his favour.
@@sohanatamara8699 why?
He reveals in this scene it was a mistake to trust a bene geserit. Even if she is the mother of his child.
It wasn't a mistake, she was loyal to him the entire time. ?
I hate to say it but Jessica and Leto never had chemistry. Not in the book, not on film. The prequel trilogy of books tried to fix it, but Frank Herbert had no time for these two. Too much duty, not enough love, and not enough lust for one another if we're honest. They are partners. Leto is devoted to her because "You gave me a son." In that sense Leto doesn't deserve to marry Jessica because he qualifies it with legacy. It's cruel, patronizing, pragmatic, and speaks to whatever inadequacies he finds in her first.
I have an ex. She gave me a daughter. I am grateful for that blessing. But if I were to say I should have married her because of our daughter instead of her, she'd be justified in being insulted.
Welcome to the world of feudal politics and nobility
Totally disagree. Jessica makes choices despite her orders from the Bene Gesserit because she loves Leto. When we meet them in Dune, they have been together already for 16 years, by that point they don’t need passionate confessions and angst, they’re an established partnership, and both Jessica and Lego’s thoughts and actions in Dune before his death show that they very much are devoted to one another. They demonstrate a mature love, not a passionate throw caution to the wind, demonstrative kind of love you’re trying to compare them to.
He did not marry her coz of political reasons. Are you sure you're reading the same book?
@@chocoalmondfudge That's the point. She belonged to no important House of the Landsraad (despite being secretly a Harkonnen heir). And she defied her Sisterhood in order to please him with an heir, not the instructed daughter that would have been the mother of the Kwisatz Haderach.
And the Duke, while remaining a bachelor, could still hope to arrange a political marriage that would increase House Atreides' prestige among the other Great Houses of the Landsraad. That moves the whole trama in "Paul of Dune", with Leto about to marry Ilesa Ecaz, heiress to Archduke Armand Ecaz, so both Houses might be united and taking into consideration that House Ecaz was a powerful actor in Landsraad politics.
now that's a woman
Jürgen Prochnow was not as well-suited to the role as Oscar
I Should Have Married You
what does that mean , they were not married ?? how they made the son then ?
Since when does a piece of paper influence the ability have sex?
@@Charlotte-ti2yk son can be result of only valid marriage. birth from non marriage sexual relationships are called bastards not sons !
@@Xerox482 Where the hell do you live where that’s the case? Certainly not in the civilised world…
A piece of paper affects neither the ability to have sex and conceive a child nor the legitimacy of that child or who it’s parents are.
@@Charlotte-ti2yk LOL your definition of civilized word LOL
@@Xerox482 LOL You typed a bunch of arbitrary nonsense. As far as the Law is concerned, any court would recognize Paul as the son of Leto. A piece of paper doesn't magically nullify blood.