Wednesday Pitch Meeting
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Netflix has another show to add to their list of massive list of worldwide successes with Wednesday, the Addams Family spinoff from Tim Burton.
Wednesday definitely raises some questions though. Like why is Wednesday the only non-normal person at a school full of monsters? Why does she simultaneously love horrible stuff while actively trying to stop horrible stuff from happening? Why does the guy who hates magic use so much magic? Why is Goody Addams named Addams?!
To answer all these questions, check out the pitch meeting that led to Wednesday.
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"What are their personalities like?"
"PASS"
I love pitch meeting so much
EXACTLY. Fav part of this whole video - I watched this show with my brother and he obvs had crushes on both Enid and Wednesday, and he was like "So do you like either of the guy characters????" And I was like... "not really no" and. This is why. Personality?? PASS
He does that to most movies and tv shows.
its an evolution of heyshutupso
Xavier: limp wet rag. Tyler: depressed limp wet rag. At least the actor did a great job at the end. But Xavier...? Eh. Wish he'd been a monster victim.
The series felt way too much like Netflix was trying to rip off the WC.
Yesss🎉
"Young kid like trend. Young Kid watch show. Producer guy get money."
Sums up Netflix' overall content strategy beautifully.
Reminded me of New Girl "you give me cookie I give you cookie!"
Money!
That bit legit almost had me in tears 😂
Hey, it has much more effort done into it than Velma.
This reminded me of the office:
Jim: "If we continue doing our work, they will calm down"
Michael: "Monkey see, monkey do"
Jim (glancing at camera): "ye.." (saying yes)
Michael (cutting him off): "Monkey pee all over you"
Jim (into camera): 😐
"No-one's gonna notice, it's just the core concept of the show." This is just beautiful
Given the suspension of disbelief needed to get through just about anything nowadays I didn't think it was that big of a leap comparitively.
ignoring the core concept of the show is TIGHT!
Literally read this as he said it
"Monsters aren't supposed to kill people"
"...well..."
I died
Did the monster do it?
"What are their personalities?"
"Pass."
Painfully accurate.
I died at that part 😂
"What are their personalities?"
One's a tortured artist romantic kind of guy, and the other one is a gaslighting complete psychopath with severe daddy issues.
Heh, instead of pass he should have said, "They're both attractive!" Like he usually does lmao.
Makes sense. They were the worst parts of the show
@@noctisocculta4820 except they aren't
"And what are their personalities like?"
"Pass... "
Love this
Thought he said "ass" 😆 Subtitles says it too!
This line sent me 🤣
@@Bassquake76 uh he said pass
@@chambersr1176 Well excuuuse me for being hard of hearing and use subtitles which says "ass".
Why is it so often the case that love interests have little to no personality (or are flat cliched charactrers), be the protagonist male or female...
Show would have made more sense if Wednesdays cheery roommate was the detective and Wednesday was just along for the ride and her doing bad sht inadvertently solved the crime.
Oh my god this is the show I want to watch!
With that sentence you fixed the entire premise
Yes exactly. Isn't it ridiculous how often random viewers understand a show and it's characters WAY more than the writers of the show or movie. Countless times lol. House MD, starwars and more lol.
Dude!!
Imagine the roommate pulling a kramer and just waking in to ask her for help on a case and shes got her brothe strapped up to a murder wheel 😂
This. This actually works better. She can still be the main character btw, just have her be sarky, witty and sinister.
Jenna Ortega recently pointed out these inconsistencies with her character in a podcast, and a producer got really mad at her for "trashing" the show's writers 😂
I've heared she's gonna be an executive producer for the next season so we'll see if she'll manage to improve something...I just hope she doesn't push on the horror aspects *_too hard_* because I'm a scaredy cat and she has already been in a couple of horrors...I don't trust her _too_ much...;"-S
The show was actually pretty good regardless of her protestations. And, actually, they worked even better because of it.
Yeah, and called her a diva for refusing to do stuff her character would never do despite her being absolutely correct. Getting witcher vibes here 👀😂
@@MsDragonbal776 that is quite a low bar as a standard. The show is well produced, but badly written. It held up because of its production values and acting quality.
@@dutchmilk This is - "I'll watch it and enjoy it, since I ran out of really good stuff" - kind of show.
I remember watching Wednesday getting healed by the ghosts and thinking: "Yep, this is going to be the "barely an inconvenience" bit of the pitch meeting"
Deus ex machina up the arse.
fr fr!! i was also thinking the same 😂
our thinking is so tight😂
Wow wow wow…..wow
@@kA89917 *T I G H T*
Predicting things is tight!
Gomez’s powers always seemed to be superhuman luck. Makes tons of money without even trying, gets in and out of life threatening situations without a scratch, landed Morticia, and his daughter is the biggest success on Netflix since Squid Game.
And her younger brother literally seems indestructible with all the shit Wednesday puts him through
@@Needler13 they all seem to be pretty much unkillable, remember all the things gomez and fester did to one another.
Gomez can talk his way into anything. I also think he was a legacy.
Yeah, when he did a little time in jail - he was offered the best smokes. Even had a pillow!
Good luck or bad luck depending on the perspective. Although landing Morticia is definitely good luck.
"She must be a pretty good detective."
"Yeah she had a vision about it and then the killers admitted to it."
"Well that seems like cheating."
LMAO got 'em. Best part.
Jenna Ortega has said in interviews that she was aware that Wednesday's character was inconsistently written and even tried to change some of the dialogue herself, though she was overruled by the showrunners.
Cavill got fired for that.
I see a pattern here....
Well at least she did her damndest
That's why writers need a union. They don't deserve jobs.
@@MrMirackbruh???? A union would help them keep a better job???
@@pap-fr unions help bad employees to keep good jobs.
The amount of bad writing on TV shows is getting worse, not better.
The main joke of The Addams Family is that they never realized how unusual they were, so they wouldn't consider themselves outcasts.
I thought it was more that they saw themselves as normal, so they considered normal people to be the weird unfortunate ones, so they had sympathy for them and their unfortunate situation.
Their extended family are all similarly weird in varying ways and so to them it was normal to be strange. Anyone who wasn't strange in some way it was like they were handycapped or unfortunate to be so bland.
Hey shut up
Hm...maybe they think that way because the parents graduated from the school, so they now even have the certificate to prove they are normal?
@@ge2719 *handicapped
@@StevenKR They went there to get a certificate that confirmed that they don't have donkey brains
"So what are their personalities like?"
"Pass."
Got me dead
💀
Lack of personality is tight
A disembodied hand had more personality
So accurate, they were both bland as love interests, though Tyler turning out to be a bad guy gave him slightly more personality!
@@trinaq whiny xavier and milquetoast tyler, pick your poison LOL.
Killer
Writer Guy and Producer Guy being so happy and chanting "Money" takes the absolute cake for me.
Producer Guy: "People are tight!"
Writer Guy: "Some are, yeah sure."
This broke me 😂
😂
I can confirm, I am tragically un-tight. Not for lack of trying.
@@ichijofestival2576 that seems tight
@@ichijofestival2576 So am I buddy!
So you're loose now?
Making a " Wednesday " pitch meeting on a Thursday is TIGHT
They were making it on Wednesday but had to edit it as well so it was uploaded on next day. *wink-wink
Get off my back
Sitting here waiting for the inevitable "Let me get all the way off of that thing" quote to appear XD
@@thefunnyguy2388 Let me get off that thing
Heyshutup...
Is it just me or have they progressively gotten way meaner to each other 😭
There's gonna be some drama when the naming of the next Fast and Furious movie comes around
Ryans went crazy.
Precisely, in the most passive aggressive manner!
I actually thought that the counselling HR made them do has paid off.... actually showed a little support for once 😉
Anyone else thinks of Tuco Salamanca when he says "TIGHT!" ? 🤣
Watching a pitch meeting instead of the product
being pitched is TIGHT! 😁
It's wild to think that this whole thing happened because two screenwriters collided in a hotel hallway and accidentally mixed up their pitches. Because of that moment Velma wound up as a sassy misanthrope making fun of everyone at her school and Wednesday went around solving supernatural mysteries. smh
God....well spotted.
HOLYFUCKINGSHIT!!!!🤯🤯🤯🤯
"Young kid use tiktok, young kid like trends, young kid watch show." Confirmed- Ryan has hidden microphones inside these studio exec conference rooms. There's no other explanation.
Producer guy get money
@@maruwatchesyou8281 🎶Money!🎶
microphone? bro, we have a whole recording of them. we're watching it
This crap gets a season 2, 1899 gets cancelled. Fing Netflix.
I hate that that’s why I watched the show agh
Wednesday's love interests personalities are that they're romantically interested in Wednesday when she gives them absolutely no reason to be
Well, she's hot lol
To be fair being pretty is usually enough for teenagers.
We can excuse the dude who is the Hyde since he's trying to manipulate her by getting close. The other dude is just a hopeless simp.
The twilight effect
@@Merilirem she isn't particularly pretty when compared to other women in that show.. I mean the actress is really pretty without the Wednesday get up.
The "Heyshutup" everytime the storyline got called out is gold 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If I had to guess, I'd say Gomez' power, and the power of the Adams in general, is functional immortality. The whole clan is like if the Cenobites wore pinstripes instead of pins.
I think you are onto something. Makes me wonder if they are part ghoul….. Though I was disappointed that they nerfed Gomez Addams power to the point of being virtually useless then made Fester super OP…. Gomez is supposed to be the HEAD Addams who inherited everything even though he is the younger brother.
i love you thumb nail
I had always thought that was implied by Thing, who I had always assumed was an older member of the family, and his existence was to demonstrate that even reduced to nothing but a hand an Addams will always keep coming.
Then he got stabbed and they acted like he was dying, so there goes that theory.
They really DRASTICALLY downscaled the power level of the Addams family in this series.
@@CuteKnight98 Gomez was pretty accurate to the early comics (though Gomez became much more impressive as the comics continued), we don't really see him do anything in the show to judge him by. The issue IMO is that Raul Julia redefined Gomez in the 1990's movies, for the better, but for the purposes of Wednesday I think it makes sense to use a different depiction so as not to steal focus. Like if Luis Guzman's depiction were replaced with an ultra-suave Javier Bardem as Gomez, we'd be annoyed that the camera followed Wednesday (as fun as Jenna Ortega is), and didn't give us more Javier/Gomez.
Plus, in future seasons, it's possible that Luis/Gomez will evolve just as the comics did, closer to Raul/Gomez's ultimate depiction.
How in the world do you think they are immortal, when we know they grow older and die?
I love how nonchalantly he says “hey shut up” whenever a plothole or something was pointed out
Think the best bit was when screenwriter guy finally broke down and had no idea where he was going with this and producer has to comfort him haha
I want to work that in with conversations with my boss!!
@@annebruecks7381 hi 😊 do u need a new job?
Well to be fair, the poor guy has been getting a lot of that recently. It's no surprise he's getting snappy.
I'm gonna need u to get off my back...
"If her powers are secret, how do they know to let her in?"
Her parents went to the school so she has the secondary power of nepotism.
Power of Alumni.
MONEEEEY!
It is called Legacy inmost schools.
So how did they know to let Morticia into school? Her powers didn't manifest until after she started there, just like Wednesday.
@@patpowers9210 They had the power of MONEEEY!
2:51 Ryan’s delivery of “well dang it” never fails to make me laugh
Haha that "Well" after monsters aren't supposed to kill people had me 😅
“If her powers are secret how’d they know to let her in?”
Because she has another power called being the main character of the show
don't the addams family have inhuman pain tolerance or something?
I guess that makes sense!
Her parents have the same super power as Bruce Wayne. RICH AF!
The powers of being the main character is tight
more like the power of nepotism - her parents were prominent students so of course they'd let her in as well.
Imagine how much the character of Wednesday would HATE knowing her dance was trending on social media 😂😂😂
Causing joy? She'd hate it. Causing potential injuries as people try to mimic the dance? She'd love it.
In the teaser she said it was pure torture and then said thank you.
also hating dancing
There are already Kpop music videos.
Ofc not surprised
I really love watching Ryan tear apart things I haven't watched and never will. "So what are their personalities?" "Pass." 😄😄😄
If you like watching Ryan "tear things apart", then I'm pretty sure you're not understanding why he's doing this at all. It doesn't come from a place of, omg, this is so dumb, I hate it.
@@eylienaProof? He might actually hate this one
@@eylienaWtf are you talking about? Every pitch meeting is nothing BUT pointing out plot holes, mistakes & contrivances. Aka...tearing them apart
haha.. I am so thankful to Ryan for saving us the trouble!
You should watch this one
5:28 Actually, when Wednesday tells her mom about her visions, Morticia says that Goody was an ancestor of Gomez’ and that she was one of the first settlers in Mexico.
Hence the surname
So... How did Morticia inherit the powers from Goody Addams?
@@JLP627 some addams may have married a frump before, like it's literally not impossible considering the outcasts knew each other in their community. Also there are many other psychics at Nevermore, not everyone of them get visions the same way, we actually never saw how Goody used her powers. Like Xavier, he got them while being asleep. So there's also a possibility that they just have the same powers because there were psychics in each of their ancestors.
@@janethnavarro4838 Frump? Sorry, that a supernatural term? Will look it up. Anyway, I think I got your argument. Could also explain why Morticia didn't have a connection with Goody like Wednesday did.
@@JLP627 Morticia's last name is Frump. She became an Addams after she married Gomez.
I'm glad at least one person noticed that Wednesday is actually a pretty bad detective and was wrong about everything unless the answer just gets directly told to her. She also got two people killed, and yet she stayed pretty smug throughout the entire show.
Which didn't bother her in the slightest..
Lol exactly. She's literally nowhere near as smart as she thinks she is but has convinced herself that she is absolutely correct in all of her "detective work" lmao
So she WAS a bed person after all (as in, bad at being a person)
@@Pbav8tor So, for once she's in character.
"She also got two people killed."
I didn't watch the show but if you mention that to show that she's bad at being a detective, then I have to assume she didn't get those people killed on purpose.
I love how during the boat race one team literally tried to decapitate another team and no one batted an eye. And then in a later episode half the school is horrified at the idea of interrogating an accused murderer.
It's weirder for me that they build a complex decapitation machine, but no one thought of a propeller. Even if it's driven by pedals, thigh muscles are much stronger than arm's.
@@Franktamas No Rules! So using what we learn in Season 1... Wednesday might suggest/help build say a Steam, Compressed Air, and/or Rocket/Explosive assisted propulsion...
I think they were more horrified at torturing someone who was at best accused of a crime than they were at interrogating a known murderer, but it is still very strange yes.
the race had no rules.
@@ephraimboateng5239 Same as the whole show.
This has got to be one of my absolute favorite pitch meetings, the sudden and crippling realization by the writer that he'd totally dropped the ball with her motivations is just "mwah" (chef's kiss) good.
As a werewolf who can't actually turn into werewolf nor displays any wolf-like qualities I appreciate Wednesday's roommate.
I hope my friend who's a vampire that doesn't have any vampiric powers, weakness to sunlight nor appetite for blood finds some representation in this show as well.
hey, as a psychic that has visions only from the past, and only of events i witnessed myself, i feel you two
Déjà vu
@@San-lh8us as a shapeshifter who only shapeshifted horribly by age, i feel ya
I’m an Apache attack helicopter that can’t fly, has legs, and can’t fire guns.
as a wendigo who pledged to be a vegan, I hope to get a representation as well. 🥹🥹😆
The producer guy saying money in such a happy tone with the writer is just so wholesome I can’t stop smiling .
Money is TIGHT!!
And clapping his hands.
It’s like a baby getting some candy lol
Ohhh yeah yeah yeah I get it. By “wholesome” you mean “horribly cynical greed that has slowly begun to unravel the very fabric of what we consider well written media”
Late Stage Capitalism is TIGHT!
“PASS.” 😂😂😂😂 accurate
I hope this catchphrase..uh, catches on..
This had me dying 😂😂
The only class Wed seemed to attend during the series was studying plants. They could easily have had her staying at her Great Grandmothers house along with other relatives (some hoping for inheritance, some angry to be there, a few stuck with home schooling their relatives). Could have made the whole thing work and been consistent but they really wanted to ram the Hogwarts angle in there.
That's... basically an Addams Family Danganronpa. Which I think really only makes sense if Wednesday is the mastermind, or else she's pissed that it's being done worse than she would do it.
"Why was her name Adams back then?"
Hey, shut up.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is one of the best pitch meetings I saw in a while 😂. The execution of those plot hole jokes are simply elegant.
Are we talking about Crackstone here? No news that people hatting others for being different are as hypocritical and bigoted as it gets.
@@Dreagostini what are you on about?
congratulations, you just summed up what Pitch Meetings does. Bravo...
@@mishmashmedley Plot holes about Crackstone being.. undead and magical and so on.
@@Dreagostini but he used magic, so no difference. Just witches hating themselves.
Someone else suggested they wanted to make a monster type teen drama, then shoehorned the Addams family into it, and i can't stop thinking how much the show comes off that way
A whole tonne of shows lately have felt like a completely different idea with a recognizable IP slapped onto it.
i.e Velma
@@axiss5840 I was going to say the same, e.g. Die Hard 4 & 5 seem like they were written as standalone movies but the writers thought they might fail so they slapped John McClane in as the central character. There are many other examples though I can't think of them off the top of my head (probably because they were so forgettable).
I tried watching an episode of Riverdale because I thought it had something to do with the Archie comics but after the character introductions, that's where the similarities ended.
@Ricky Thackray You're right about Die Hard 4 but Did Hard 5 was actually the very first time that a Die Hard movie (including the first Die Hard movie) was originally written as a Die Hard movie
The first Die Hard was written as a sequel to a Frank Sinatra movie from 1968. When Frank Sinatra turned it down the studio retooled it into an original story.
Die Hard 2-4 were original scripts that were bought by the studio then retooled into Die Hard sequels.
They probably thought: Hmm, what's something that both millennial's and gen z's would love?
@@user-qx1om2wj1h Standing in the street staring at their phones?
05:47 one of the best scenes/lines in the entire series.
Ryan George is lowkey brilliant. His pitch meetings are always on point and this one is just money
MONEEEEYYYY!!!
Wednesday ultimately being a bad detective is one of the more realistic elements of the show.
But she have vision power so......
@@yaqinmalul6467 Its not really her pure skill then, its helpful but without it she might not be so good.
@@decembersbitch7694 That would be fine if that was the message the show was trying to get across and had her learn a valuable lesson like teamwork or something. But instead the show constantly tries to show how brilliant she is by figuring out all these impossible clues to things she shouldnt even know about, and then, only has her fail as a device to mislead the audience so that you, the audience, feels like the show writer was just oh so smart because she tricked you.
Her failing at being a detective was just a plot device to make you think the show writer was better at her job than she really is. This is how writers try to 'plot twist', and its pathetic. Its certainly no Shyamalan.
@@Kugrox i guess but for me it worked i was so mad when i figured the twist but kinda happy that it wasnt so obvious choice because when show/film do the obvious choice its kinda stupid .
@@decembersbitch7694 fax
The explanation of how Wednesday would have loved all the bad things is spot on what I was thinking. It’s so contradictory to her character
Yeah I was kind of thinking the same thing; it would have been an easy fix to rewrite her character (still being spooky and kooky but having a better moral compass).
Because women are not in any way contradictory?
your heart colors your perceptions. you see contradiction, I see complexity.
@@MaverickChristian Why make a complex nuanced character one dimensional?
The part about her father being arrested for murder made her mad because she knew her father wasn't the type. That's why she disliked that whole thing
@@RossiGastone
_Why make a complex nuanced character one dimensional?_
It's possible to both (1) not write a one dimensional character; and (2) not write someone behaving out of character.
It's not as if our only two options for a character are one-dimensional and inconsistent. For example, a certain villainous character in the horror film _The Barbarian_ was complex and not one-dimensional.
It just occurred to me that the tone the executive uses to the person pitching the meeting is a lot like my interactions with my toddler 😂
Interesting how with Ortega voicing her issues she had with the script align with a lot of the points you made. You nailed it as usual 👍
It's like this was pitched as an original series about a sarcastic dark teen detective who investigates a murder but they didn't think it'd garner interest so they decided to call her Wednesday Addams and tied her background back to the Addams family after the show was written.
Oh, come on, that NEVER happens in Hollywood!
You've summed up the modern screenwriting process. "Write something...now paint a thin veneer of some existing IP onto it...sweet, free money!!"
You're waaaaaaay overthinking it. This was always supposed to be a franchise spin off, because it's inherently gonna generate more hype and recognization. What you witness in the video above is pretty much how it went down: greed and stupidity.
@@Narcan885 Yes and no. See, the guys who wrote this have dreams. They write scripts for projects they want to make.
They, however, also know that using an existing IP makes the greenlight way more likely, so they turn the projects they have into existing IPs so it's "pitchable" to Netflix, or Prime, HBO, etc.
And that's how you have old characters doing this kind of stuff.
Wednesday is the baby project of someone who wanted to make a Harry Potter kind of show, but didn't had Harry Potter money.
You've also described "Velma."
I totally had that thought every time someone threatens to expel her from nevermore. I’m like:”she didn’t want to be there anyways “
yeah, exactly. although at a certain point in the show i could understand the rational of "I only want to get expelled if it was my own doing" like I can see there being a shot to her pride if she was expelled due to disappointment or a failure on her part. But early on in the show there was no reason for her to care although, again, this Wednesday seems to be self motivated and for whatever reason wants to succeed, but only at the things she wants to succeed at.
So, if you do enough mental gymnastics, it makes sense in a certain way.
Literally the last line of the first episode is her changing her mind and saying “I think I’m going to like it here.” How did so many people miss this?
@@jasonschuler2256 that was more than 8 hours ago who could remember?
She wanted to solve the murder case because of that weird prophecy that involved her. It was her personally project and getting kicked out would’ve hampered investigation. She was curious and apparently became “friends” with some students
Yeah but then she dies because the plot needs her to. They also treat everything about her original character that remains as if it's a character flaw which kinda defeats the entire point of the entire franchise
Yeah the personality thing struck me as being weirdly inconsistent too, I figured they would have her change / evolve over time because a main character needs to be relatable and have a trajectory but she would shift back and forth constantly between the 2. It was really strange (and not in the good way).
Watch the original 1960s show or the 90s movie. They have always been inconsistent. The morbid way they talk about things never reflects how they react to things happening in front of them. The problem from the get go is that the entire tone of the Addams Family has been humorous and morbid. So they constantly have to walk a fine line where they don't get too dark. And the characters are usually very chipper and positive about things so it's never possible to square anything up.
@@promontoriumstoryline inconstancies are tight.
I love how Writer Guy is ever-so slowly realizing that he comes up with some really crappy screenplays.
If only this happened to pretty much every writer of pretty much every movie made in the past 5,10,15 whatever years…
Is this one of the few times the Producer has had to comfort the Writer in explaining that it'll work out?
@@CorePathway yeah but that way people won't talk about it as much
@@CorePathway It might have, but there's always a producer guy there that might just ruin it with their demands
@@lgoamity I remember him doing it in the Toy Story one where producer guy stopped writer guy when he was hitting himself in the head saying "stupid, stupid, stupid" because he had Buzz freezing when people where around even though he doesn't think he is a toy.
I am convinced that these Pitch Meetings are actually very close to the real pitch meeting for these shows
What an original and completely unheard of thing to say! So creative of you!!
Wow ive seen this comment on every single pitch meeting video but only now do i feel its worthy of praise.
I have no doubt that these pitch meetings are just the transcripts from the actual pitch meetings
Producer Guy clapping with joy brought me 5 more years of life
The easiest thing is to sell people the idea of a character that's all dark and sarcastic and loves death and decay cause that's "popular" but then make the character do none of those things and never act like it, simply make 2-3 egotistic and plain popular-girl-in-highschool-level mean remarks and she's the queen.
Nobody's gonna notice. It's just the core concept of the show👏👏
I remember telling my roommate I was confused that Wednesday was upset about the murder and she was like “who wouldnt be?” and the answer is just… the Addams Family love murder. I have seen so much Addams content they love murder I was so confused
But the Addams Family are not psychopaths/sociopaths. They would not want people to really suffer, they are strange but not evil.
Well it started as just her wanting to solve the mystery to prove she could. That people were dying wasn't really an issue for her until later when she started getting attached to some of them.
@@ExtremeMadnessX Well the things is they don't see pain/death as suffering or macabre most ppl do. With them it's tend to view it as the mundane or playful fun so yeah while The Adams wouldn't go out of their way to torture and/or kill someone they wouldn't act so bleak towards the act itself
Typical goth: Likes to SEEM dark.
@@ExtremeMadnessX But death is good to them. They love graves. They love the macabre, but not really? Since when?
I’m pretty sure it’s explained in the show that Goody is Gomez’s ancestor, not Morticia’s. Just because Morticia also has visions doesn’t mean she was Goody’s descendant.. there are multiple covens of witches and I’m 90% sure they do refer to Goody as a witch.
saw someone on tumblr call it "the riverdale version of the addams family" and i think that sums up pretty much everything
The whole charm of the original show was that they were weird and more macabre than others, but saw themselves as normal and "normal" people as the weird ones, as well as despite their wacky nature, were still family who all genuinely cared for each other (which at the time the original show was made, was ironically more rare)
It was also original.
And they were the first TV couple who actually acted like they were in love with each other.
The Addams Family also has the distinction of being the only amusing New Yorker comic strip.
Yeah, the original show contradicted the nuclear family ideals of the 1960s. But boomer TV execs don't like that
It always floors me how so many writers today quite literally don’t understand source material when it’s so obvious and easy to. You encapsulated TAF in a paragraph.
Wednesday saying she loves watching horrible things happen whilst trying to prevent horrible things feels like those people who won't shut up about love and friendship whilst being mean to those who don't accept their love and friendship
Or the "i hate drama" folk that are _always_ at the heart. Of. All. The. Drama.
I mean, that's kind of the point. She's an edgy teenager who starts to learn that you can be macabre while still caring about others and having friends.
@@WelcomeApathy But I mean she isnt faking, she genuinely is ok with murder. She has her own attempted murder case right in the first episode. She loves pretending to be dead in a morgue. Its not a case of a teen ib denial, she is literally flip flopping due to writing.
To be fair, a lot of those people are skeeves who think they deserve a cookie.
Typical nihilistic/emo teenager, though. I think I was able to accept Wednesday as she was because I saw her as maturing and also pulling away from her mother and therefore their traditional family values (like enjoying murder). She put on the facade of not caring but she really didn't want to see her friends get hurt. She's maturing. I did think that putting her into a school of even more monstrous kids was weird; the Addams family was supposed to be oddities amongst normal humans. I think it would have made more sense if she was in a regular boarding school (and maybe found out later that her roommate was a werewolf).
Man your format has really come into it's own. Great combinations of critical review and comedy are TIGHT
The sequence where he realizes his plot is screwed is the best ryan ever.
Very impressive how fast and subtly Ryan can say "hey shut up"
It's not subtle.
@@Vincent_Beers But fast
Its stupid. Get all the way of my back is better
This comment will be banned for no reason
Really wasn't subtle. Fast? yeah
“Oh what’s their personalities like?” “Pass!” is one of the funniest one liners you’ve made 😂
You should see the auto-generated subtitles for that one...
Thhis will be yet another standard response.
"SKIP!!" *Ding*
Pass
1:23 pretty good one to.
The "Wednesday" joke about Wednesday was priceless! Great work as always!
"Young kid like trends, young kid watch show, producer guy gets money" I died with thatg whole segment xD
"Just despised anything outcast-related or related to magic."
"So how does he get brought back to life?"
"Magic. He has a magic staff and does magic stuff..."
Painfully accurate!
An especially zealous Puritan leader happens to be a hypocrite?! 😱
@@jacobd1984 Dude probably believes that his power comes from god and not magic, because that's how these people really are.
Yeah I liked the show, but the weakest part was the villain in the finale. Using magic to bring back the guy who hated magic who then uses magic to fight the students and he was around for all of 10 minutes, like whaaaaat
But wasn't that kinda the point? Most bigots are hypocrites and act according to the "for me, but not for thee" philosophy. His and Laurel's reasoning is probably also so warped that they believe he was destined by God to be resurrected by any means necessary.
@@broco1163 He hated anyone who didn't follow him and he hated outsiders, as seen with how the town turned out to be a place where conformity was important. When he was accusing Goody of witchcraft, she implied that he was actually the one using witchcraft. Compared to him, Goody's powers were natural to her and her family.
He really addressed what I'd been thinking. I was eagerly waiting for someone to tell Crackstone " You have magic. You are literally an outcast!" Probably Bianca with some sass. Missed opportunity 😭
That finale was really bad. It would of made much more sense for the two of them to use that black book of magic to cast some curse that did something horrible to the monster students, leaving only the humans to deal with everything.
“Outcast” isn’t a condition. It’s not like alopecia: “Hey, that kid’s bald; must be an outcast.” It’s how you’re treated BASED on what you are, not simply what you are. Crackstone created those outcasts by casting them out of society for their perceived differences. He was the literal arbiter and nexus of the in-group. The rules didn’t have to apply to him because he made the rules.
I've been hoping since seeing the series that somebody in season 2 will tell Laurel...
Somebody: "uhm... yeah... so... Plant controlling necromancers with brainwashed monster slaves aren't exactly... 'normies'."
Laurel: "What... What are you talking about?"
Somebody: "You're an outcast, you loony witch. Your genocidal lich grandpa is too."
He could be more motivated by power and profit than hate, using the prejudices of the "normals" to get rid of people that probably had land that he wanted.
Lol I remember that crossed my mind. I wondered how the normie villain came back from the dead with powers..making him one of the monsters he's trying to kill?? Make it make sense
"Humans are tight!"
"Well some of them are."
Not sure if i heard that correctly, what?
"people are tight!"
"Some are yeah sure."💀
_"As long as it's not an original idea, we hate those"_
The shade trown at the Inside Job and other good shows cancellation was sublime.
i'm still Dead Sea-salty about Santa Clarita Diet
@@lukacvitkovic8550 as long as People hatewatch Emily In Paris or 365 days and thus set standards for " good" viewership for a show, we will never get further seasons of good shows - I also really liked archive 81, but well
Wait, has Inside Job been cancelled??
@@Johnny_Shikari Yup. No more seasons.
@@ggdacousticnum3 WTF? Netflix's decision making is worse than throwing darts at a dartboard with 90% bad choices while being drunk and blindfolded
I love how Screenwriting guy just had to rethink his entire character motivation for Wednesday 😅
Screenwriter guy works so much
I thought he'd lost the ability to do that since Toy Story
To be fair, it's not that far-fetched that a teenager would talk a big game, but not actually live up to it. I suppose it comes down to whether that makes any sense for Wednesday Addams specifically. Assuming that's what the writers were going for, and it's not just a substantial narrative inconsistency. Which it may be.
@@jacobd1984 doesn't addams family movies and such have issues portraying addams as consistent in general? for if they are for or against good things/bad things
@@durttheelder4035 I couldn’t really tell you, I haven’t seen them. But the whole “good is bad and bad is good thing” does tend to be ppl nonsensical if you put too much thought into it in most stories (like the show The Good Place, for instance, if you’ve seen that).
I finally watched the show and really enjoyed it. It had some hit-miss story and tone wise but was overall fun. Having watched most of the 60s episodes recently and the 90s movies, I can tell you, you're all wrong about Wednesday's character and reactions. The Addams family always talk dark and macabre, but they behave like normal moral loving people. They joke about dark things, but they usually do the right things. They care about people.
Wait it just hit me. Millennial movies and shows leaned into "you're special and unique, just be yourself."
And now are Gen Z movies and shows trying to undo that? "You may feel special and unique, but trust us: there's tons of other people out there just like you! You should find them and learn to think alike and maybe congeal into a market segment or voting bloc or maybe."
2:50 I'd like to point out it took Wednesday to find a script where Writer Guy would finally actually feel bad about his own writing. Props
That's another one it's happened in tbf
@@JDazell yeah I though that might be the case, which one so I can go back and watch?
@@tatsuuuuuu Watch all of them to be sure.
@@genegayda3042 helpful
@@kamenanew9867 Toy Story, he feels bad about having Buzz freeze around humans despite not believing he's a toy. That's just off the top of my head it does occur every now and then.
I love how he pointed out how Goody wouldn’t have been an Addams. I was thinking just that any time they brought her up 😂
I mean it was 400 years ago so it’s possible for some unknown inbreeding to happen. It happens all the time with a lot of people and they never realize. Your husband could be like your 10th cousin branched off from 400 years ago and you’ll never know unless you take a test or something
could be though. How many generations back was she anyway?
My main gripe is that Goody isn't an "old time-y" name, it's a form of address. It was short for Goodwife and used for married women, so like Goody Smith instead of Mrs Smith. She would have had an actual first name.
@@lickthismiff like Wednesday?
It was never said in the show that Goody was Morticia's ancestor.
Simultaneously, this is exactly what I was thinking all the way through the show and I loved the show.
Sheriff: Your dad killed someone
Netflix’s Wednesday: 😮 oh my this is hideous, I must do an investigation and confront him and mother about it
Regular Wednesday: What? Only one? I expected more from him.
"You big, weird dummy!" I love Ryan subtly roasting himself, and pointing out how neither of them ever changes clothes!
Ryan, honey, don't be so hard on yourself.
@Correct No one cares about your meme.
He's not roasting himself, as you can see they're totally different people. One of them has glasses! They clearly cloned Ryan and we have a Clark Kent situation going on.
They change clothes all the time! Just not for this one week.
I’m so happy I reacted the same way. “Uhhh wouldn’t Wednesday be proud of her father for killing someone?”
As a parent of a 14 year old girl, I could literally win a medal in kickboxing and my daughter would still be embarrassed by me because we have the same last name. True story btw.
Kinda a weird way to brag about winning a kickboxing tournament...
Considering why she was at nevermore to begin with, it seemed odd to me as well.
@@HeadCannonPrime She'll grow up eventually, don't let it get to you!
I mean, the series seems to nod strongly to the 90s films and Gomez was proud to have been suspected of his cousin Balthazar's murder....
I really hope you'll do a Pitch Meeting for "The Menu" it's such a surprising movie
Yes, that movie was fantastic!
I hated it.
@@eryuu4016 I think there were plenty of people that share that sentiment. However, as someone who's served in fine dining with an executive chef husband in fine dining as well, it really hit home with how the michelin star dining experience is starting to crumble apart. There's a reason the field of work has such a high suicide rate and is plagued with substance abuse issues.
@@GeekEverythingTV And, I understand that. I just didn't like the movie. The pacing was too slow and chunky for me.
@@eryuu4016 Understandable!
"As long as its not a completely original idea" that had me howling 🤣🤣
"we hate those"
That got you howling? Damn. You should go out more, my man.
@@rishabhdubey374 nah outside has icky hoomans. Well that and it's cold out.
Sounds like you're a werewolf and should be in the Nevermore academy
The entire entertainment industry right now is basically modeled on two things:
Adapting stories from original ideas and inserting feminists, hate Fred cuz he has small weenis (Velma), and turn the little mermaid black, female James Bond, and the constant stream of terrible marvel movies.
My love for Ryan's ability to point out logical absurdities in media that I love makes me feel absurd inside
It makes me feel dumb for having not realized them before
"Isn't pointing issues with shows people love is the opposite of what that will make them happy?"
"Hey shut up!"
Learn to not love shit then :)
Nothing is perfect, loving them is perfectly fine, and laughing is great :)
"What were Gomez's super powers?
"Getting aroused by Morticia, I guess."
So apparently I'm a superhero.
Surprised you did not point out the casting of Christina Ricci, who the show then disappears into the background for large parts of the narrative, to hide the fact that she was the big baddie! Hell, I loved the show and all its flaws, all because of the central performance of Jenna Ortega as Wednesday little 'Storm Cloud' Addams! Can't wait for Season Two 😀
Yeah. I expected it to be like the typical "cameos to provide fan service". She turned out to be in every episode, though (I think), which slightly surprised me, and I was so pleased when she turned out to be the villain.
I loved that cello video that Ortega did, and was hooked on her and the show when I found out she learned cello to do the video. I don't imagine she sounds anything like the master cellist who did the piece, but her acting was right on track.
I love how Ryan has just as much interest in the unnecessary love triangle as we all do... IE, not at all! Even Jenna thought that Wednesday didn't even need a love interest.
But forced love interests are TIGHT!
especially since both of them were annoying and whiny AF lol
@@NeorecnamorceN forced love interests are what makes Hollywood Hollywood.
the best character of the show was Eugene, a truly good and caring friend with no romantic interest in Wednesday and vice versa.
The love triangle was literally my favorite part of the show
“You have a new show for me”
“Yes sir, Wednesday “
“Okay, I’ll see you then”
Best intro 😂
It hurt my feelings when he mentioned that they're still wearing the same shirt after a week. I tend to do the same when I get lazy with washing :(
That reminded me of the classic "Who's on first?"
I just realized that he left his own office, while the screen guy stood there the whole weekend.
Yeah, I cracked up on that on! That was an "Insta-Like Button press" moment for me!
"What are their personalities like?" "PASS!"
Actually Goody was part of Gomez Addams' ancestors who immigrated from Mexico 😂
I can comfortably say this is one my favorite Pitch Meetings yet.
Every new pitch meeting somehow becomes my new favorite every single time 🤣
This one was great. My favorite Ryan George short is "Don't talk to me til I had my coffee." It's not a pitch meeting, but it's great.
The most ridiculous thing during this show was how Wednesday drove every single person around her away by being the worst person short of a bloodthirsty monster and then everyone just forgave her at the end of the season.
Classic Mary Sue. Eveyrone loves her for no reason. It only took until Episode Four for her primary rival at school to admit that she was totally jealous of Wednesday the whole time and mad because her literal magick powers of seduction were unable to keep Wednesday from stealing her boyfriend, which Wednesday was too cool to even want.
@@HerculesBallsInc She gets beaten at the fencing thing almost instantly, ends up helping the villain frame the wrong guy, and accuses several innocent people throughout the show. And almost dies multiple times due to over overconfidence and ego, needing to be bailed out at least 4 times. Whatever your definition of Mary Sue is, it needs to be right proper bonkers to include her
@@JarmamStuff Even the villain falls in love with her! Lol! Other then eventually losing the fencing match against the best person in school, there is literally nothing she does that anyone does better than her. She speaks four languages fluently, gets straight A's, a concert cellist, able to fix any machine, has written a handful of novels, is as familiar with medical information as a doctor, but is only the second-best fencer. All the adults are hapless losers compared to her. You're kidding yourself, mate. You have never met anyone this competent in your life, much less a child.
@@JarmamStuff apparently you don't know what a mary sue is.
It's not about the actions of the character, it's about how the narrative and the other characters treat her. The whole time, no matter what she did wrong, she's treated like a hero. We're supposed to root for her. People think she's cool or are jealous of her.
That's a textbook mary sue.
@@user-nl8xo2xq4w Well, she acts cool. Literally, no emotion on her face. She is skilled one, so makes an impression. Sure, story treats her well, but that's because otherwise it wouldn't be an interesting story to watch. However, she has dynamics, a character arc, so it's not just like that soulless some other Mary Sue characters.
I love your videos; your analysis of the plot combined with your characterisation and sense of humour make these a must. Could you do (or have you done) The Haunting of Hill House? I’d really like to see your take on this. Thank you for sharing and making us laugh!
Jenna Ortega is like Henry Cavill, they knew their characters better than the show runners and had to fight for them to have any resemblance to the original characters after the show runners wanted to completely betray the original character to transform it into "modern audience" appropriate material. Jenna knew they were obliterating everything about the Adams Family with this.
Wendsday felt more like a scooby doo spin off than the actual scooby doo spin off
🤣🤣🤣 nailed it
"As long as it's not an COMPLETELY original idea, we don't like those."🤣🤣🤣
Sadly true.
2:41 - 2:51
Thank you !!!!
I envy all kids who come to this channel for the first time and can get blown away by the pitch meeting format
_"She stabbed him but he was already poisoned so that makes it okay."_
_"Is that how it works?"_
According to most D&D groups, yes. It works exactly like that.
They did kinda fumble the scene a bit. It's not that they get off because "oh he was poisoned moments before he was stabbed". It's because they're straight up blackmailing the mayor for covering up that the guy was gonna poison the whole school. Morticia is still 100% guilty.
I'd also like to add something nobody seems to talk about, to the point that I don't think they even considered it important in the show even though it clearly should be (though may have been the un-talked reason why Gomez never got convicted); at the end of the day the killing of that guy was clearly A: Self Defense and B: Accidental. He ran himself upon the sword that was held up, Morticia didn't even push forward, and he had made it quite clear he was trying to kill Gomez. Pretty sure that's a major point in any court defense.
It was way easier to argue it was self defense, which I think is what they were going for. That the Nightshade Poison made him more aggressive (even tho they already started fighting) which is why he tried to kill Gomez who didn't have a weapon at the time.
@@andrewsteifer520 It was more the fact that the mayor, who was then sheriff, covered up the true cause of death and preventing it going to trial in order to keep the peace of the town and protect it's, and Nevermore's, reputations. And it was also suggested by Morticia that he was in the Gates' pocket and was more out to protect his own reputation & position. In any case he didn't really care that it was self defence he just didn't want it to go to trial where tensions between the town and Nevermore may boil over, and the truth of what happened could potentially come out which would cause him to lose his position and possibly be convicted of a crime himself for covering up evidence. But assuming he let it go to trial and was able to keep the nightshade evidence supressed a self defence argument would have been a hard sell as there was no witnesses and no supporting evidence for it, it would have basically just been Gomez and Morticia's word of what happened which is not good enough for a successful defence.
@@Onikage55
Oh, there's definitely grounds for a self-defense case, but it would still have to go to trial. The whole thing dissapeared and wrapped up cleanly because of the coverup and then blackmail over said coverup.
That part about Goody having the name Addams was just... I cannot believe that was not seen by more of my friends.
She actually is from Gomez's side of the family. I don't know why people think it was Morticia's side other than both having visions. She can come from a line of witches on both sides.
@@scienceandponies I mean... I wouldn't exactly be *shocked* if the Addams family tree has a few knots in it.
This was my immediate thought when they said "Goody Adams" in the show like it was a big reveal. I was like ok, well so she got married and changed her name or she died a window. This can't actually be your ancestor then.
funniest part is that the writers don't seem to be aware that "goody" isn't a name. the reason that many of the women involved in the salem witch trials were called "Goody Glover" etc is because goody is short for "goodwife". its a title given to any married woman. "Goody Addams" basically just means "Mrs Addams"
@@Hephera Geez… You’d think that with practically the entire compendium of human history and knowledge, which can be brought up on a whim, sitting in their pockets they couldn’t have delved- at most- one inch deeper on that research? Now _that_ is the epitome of lazy writing.