"CUT PLAYERS SALARIES!" 😠 Simon Jordan BLAMES players for taking ALL THE MONEY from football 🔥
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- Is watching football too expensive? talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Carlton Palmer have their say!
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How dare people not pay Sky Sports and BT a fortune to not watch 3pm kicks offs
i wouldn't mind paying them if I could watch what games i wanted to live but until then ill stream my home team games.
Rip off sky, plenty of other options.
They would rather charge £100 a month and have 1 million subscribers rather than £10 a month and have 10 million subscribers.
No one is saying that in this conversation
@@bobbyblueace You only need to stream illegally, if your team is in the Premier League. In the leagues below, your club can stream each of it's games online to it's fans for a small fee, unless the game is featured on Sky or BT.
Huge point missing here is that regardless of price point most fans can't legally watch their own team in UK each week
This
Exactly, there would probably be an argument it's worth the price if you had access to chose any and every game.
In sweden we have viaplay we can choose to watch every game we want, does it work that way in england
@@face8451
No, under british law, no match that kicks off at 3PM on Saturday (the majority of fixtures) may be broadcast in the UK.
Plenty of ways around it of course thanks to VPNs.
@@syn_tekken3055 I've been watching the Prem from the US since I was kid and never knew this. Can you enlighten me as to why that's a law? My mind is kind of blown right now.
£160 a month and you can't even watch a 3pm kick off Saturday and they wonder why certain people want to pay £120 a year and watch any game they wish.
What subscription is 160 a month? That must be with broadband and the full package and multiroom.
We need the Premier League to have their own streaming service- that way they can stream all the matches in the UK at a reasonable price and make way more money. It's a no brainer.
Makes sense because ufc do that nba do that however it will never happen because premier league get paid sooo much money from streamers like sky, by etc for the right to air the games on there steaming service. Premier league only care about money not fans
The parasites at the top wont allow that.
Realistically the Prem have milked the UK audience too much and now people are stealing it because it's too expensive. It's why NOWTV will do £20p/m for the footy now.
If only we spent as much time preventing actual crime 🙄
Here we go. Let's pretend UK is Baghdad 😂
@@SK-kh2rs in the UK you can literally steal a car while high on heroin and alcohol, crash into people waiting at a bus stop killing them and walk free from court. Then continue to commit crimes like burglary, knife and drug crimes, assault etc and over the course of the next 20 years have 100+ convictions and serve next to zero jail time.
Then some guy getting over 10 years for helping people to see some football.
@@frankdux5693 wtf are you on about??
@@Stinkmeaner420 just giving a prime example how the justice system in the UK is a complete joke.
Tony Blair is a war criminal and still is as free as a bird.
They're missing the point here! Even if you pay for a subscription, you still can't watch your club play each week.
there referring to the fact that everyweekend there is a least 2 matches shown live with the same big six clubs where as the smaller clubs barely get 1 per month so the money for each live game shown is so vast between the top 6 and the rest of the league is unfair to expect a palace fan to pay the same subscription as say a man city fan
Here’s a solution, don’t support a team from 200 miles away cause they win cups. Go watch your local team
@@jakecook4816 Etihad would be empty
@@jakecook4816 stupid argument, what about a lower league team that doesn’t win anything, you still can’t watch games. Every fan should have the opportunity to watch their team
@@jakecook4816what if that local team has a small to medium sized stadium where all the local fans can't physically fit in the ground
It'd be great if Jim White could go 10 seconds without interrupting someone
It's his job
@@karatsurba4791 to interrupt? is that in his job description is it?
@@xNSHD to take the conversation where he needs to.
Interuppting with shite too. Thing is, he gets it, but just plays devil's advocate for the purpose of the convo.
@@mjw8218 Yeah, I get the feeling he doesn't even care about this issue. But acts as if its such a travesty to him for the sake of the show. He isn't even thinking about what Simon says and making a meaningful discussion. It's all just delfecting
Simon spot on as usual...Jim white stating the obvious and calling for a cost reduction to suck up to the fans without accepting the undeniable fact that 95% of the revenues are going to greedy players, managers and agents
Jim is playing "devil's advocate," Jim is asking the questions to cover the different perspectives. So it's not necessarily his view.
Simon Jordan cuts through bullshit like no voice in football out there. An absolute gem that man is
Welcome to the jordanites thompson.
Simon = top LAD proper clobber
Simon Jordan is completely right. You have to go back to the scource of the issue before you can then solve it.
@@garypipe1770 no hes not why can they allow other countries to sell every prem game for not even £10 per month yet in uk you get what 160 games and are paying close to £100 per month.
SJ has no clue on the subject what you expect from a failed football owner
I agree even he,said the cancellation culture will come for him once he says something one day until them he will let rip.
He told Sourness that
With how football has been tgis season I wouldn't have paid £5 a week..
Fans don't want £30m players per se, they want success and the best players relative to whatever the market is. If the average price of a world class footballer was suddenly 10% of what it is now then no one would care.
The players would care. Why not be angry at them?
totally agree look at brighton signed players for 5m like macallister and mitoma but because they have had 1 good season there all of a sudden 50m plus players and clubs are daft enough to pay it so the inflation on transfer just mounts up
@@simonfarrimond3664 That is the big problem with the clubs having so much money now. They are wasteful with it now. Made up numbers and clubs will pay it because there is a myth that paying the most gets success.
The bubble will burst one day and it will not be pretty for the EPL.
Simon just hates capitalism when it does not suit him. Its supply and demand.
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 Because the players only want and deserve their fair share of the profits, which they partly get. What some people believe is that the sport itself generate too much money (at the expense of fans) - but going after the players is obviously the wrong people to target.
Football is the biggest sport in the world with billion of fans, of course it's going to generate ludicrous amounts of money, especially when they allow oil nations and billionaries to get in on the action and spend their money for publicity/exposure/whitewashing/sportswashing.
If the company you work for earns billions and your work directly influence their increased income, of course you'd expect to be paid accordingly.
Totally agree with Simon, if you ran a normal company like a football club you wouldn’t survive. My opinion to the public is boycott all the broadcasters until they and football sort out their own houses. Market forces can dictate anything if you are willing to sacrifice for a while.
Simon just sat there and blamed the fans for demanding their clubs sign the next 30 or 40 million player, etc. It's not the fans who set the market value though, is it, they're just caught in the slipstream of the current financial climate. Simon's a hypocritical idiot, claiming he's all about "pulling the bottom up", yet he often speaks about the average working man as a king speaks about the peasants. He's a disgusting little oik.
He only moans about what’s wrong with it. He doesn’t give a solution.
@@HdHd-hp6qz it's literally in the title of the video.
Only problem with your theory is that the British public is only a fraction of total revenue. They could care less about you when they have 'fans' all around the world.
@@angryanglocanadian7581 Then they are fools to keep giving their money, in these times. Can’t complain about prices if you support the mechanism of greed.
Simon completely missing the point here. Buying Sky, BT etc doesn't allow you to watch your team's game necessarily. I'm a Wolves fan, and we are barely shown on those platforms. The bigger issue is this 3pm blackout.
Exactly
even if the 3pm blackout was removed - BT would only show one of the 3pms, and Sky one of the others. You still may end up being unable to watch your club play. Its not all 3pm kick offs too. Sometimes its Sunday 2pms that are inexplicably not shown in the UK.
if i'm paying £75+ a month for two (or even 3) different subscriptions, I expect to be able to watch 100% of my clubs games. Until then i wont pay.
Its like paying full whack for Netflix and only having access to episodes 2, 5 & 8 of a ten part tv series.
@@hello150 The issue that I see with a service that provides all the games on any given day (like an official PL streaming service) is how high would the price point be then? £150 p/m? £200? More?
They start showing more games, they'll charge more for it and then just turn around and say "you wanted this service, we have increased costs to make it happen". Where does the price line get drawn before people just don't watch football anymore (or just go to the pubs)
@@tomwhite5868 That's not necessarily what I envisage - mine would be more of a team based subscription. From my point of view, I only want to watch Wolves away games (as I attend all home games with a season ticket). I'm not arsed about other teams, but if you were, perhaps you could pay £10 a month per team you want to watch.
@@samwize28 👏🏾💯 well said❤
I'll just keep streaming. You'll never stop it. Either stop the prices for ridiculous money or expect others to steal it on the cheap.
Why doesn’t Premier create their own channel for affordable prices and most people would then subscribe that would cut out most of illegal streams
@@johannesvonsaaz3987 People will stream for free regardless of the price.
Simon made a great point to Jim about how on one hand he’s talking about reduction in TV costs but on the other hand talking non stop about sacking managers and transfers, both go hand in hand unfortunately
Who has the decision making power to sack managers and make transfers? Owners. But don't blame them they are forced by the "fans" lmao give me a break.
Simon = top LAD proper clobber
No he didnt if you drop the price subs increase so you end up making same money and reduce piracy this is a fact research had been conducted to show this.
Player contracts should be based on a much lower basic salary, 100k a year for example, with much bigger bonuses for appearances and goals, performance related. No more 5 year contracts where they end up doing nothing and picking up 50k a week.
The 3pm blackout has to be abolished if they are serious about stopping piracy.
Simon is the only one who actually understands this
Sure but he also bootlicks Owners and leaves them out of the "equation" I wonder why?
He has it backwards.
He’s out of touch when it comes to this. £100 a month to him is change. He can’t relate
He's not. He makes out footballers just kick a ball about. He doesn't understand how difficult it is for someone to make it to EPL. Simon himself is a failed footballer like all us fans 😂 you are.literally competing with all the kids from your generation to make it as a pro. Footballers deserve every penny. No other sector you have to compete with a huge genetically diverse talent pool. You can teach someone to be a nurse but you can't teach anyone to be a pro at EPL level
Partly, but it's pointless asking players to voluntarily take lower wages. That's not the asnwer. It's all governed by self-interest and you have to force changes. That means it has to come from the football authorities whov'e shown no inclination to do anything. Or ownwers, who have the power to reduce wages but won't. Self-interest again.
The 3pm ban needs to be lifted. It was introduced before streaming sites were made so not broadcasting it defeats the purpose. I’m not going to watch my local team play when my football club isn’t on tv, I’ll find a steam and watch it at home
To be fair would happily pay £50 a month to be able to watch every game the team I support plays. Pretty sure alot of other people would too.
Nailed it!
Notice, Simon never mentioned how much profit is made by the broadcasters.
Sky made a profit of £1.4bn in 2020. Instead he wants to cut the pay of the players.
Every one of Simons (head blowing) response is laced with his pain of losing a fortune in football, which he no doubt blames on player wages.
Simon is transparent as the day is long. We've had these same tropes for years in America about our sports players. They trot this out every couple years and funnily enough it's not the fans who would benefit from player's cut salaries, but the owners themselves with a bigger profit margin. Meanwhile these owners are making money hand over fist while the value of their clubs skyrocket. Please Simon, don't act the fool you are.
you have a point but that doesn’t make him wrong, he’s spot on about the fact that they pay this players ridiculous wages and it can only kill the game
most of the SKY profit is from over seas countries of how much they are willing to pay per country to have the PL rights to show
BSKYB made that profit but that’s across all products and services not just related to football
Ahhh......so 'business is now a charity' argument and making a profit is immoral. Well why not go the whole hog and nationalize football, and make every club 'people owned' in whatever Socialist Utopia you live in?
Of course this excellent idea which you and so many of your Comrades often overlook is that football are often become the political playthings. I can imagine the massive benefits of having a PM has a Villa fan running the game. Maybe with the Great Leader Corbyn in charge Arsenal will win everything for eternity, or Raith Rovers becoming a powerhouse of European Football under Gordon Brown. I especially can't wait for all the Tory shires benefitting from extra revenue, after all there are loyal voters to be rewarded....
Simon really is the 'jewel in the crown' of TalkSport.
Diamond in a turd more like
He belongs here, this is his level. You're all getting blinded by his hypocritical bullshit.
I have a friend of mine whose first name is jewel. And he is a man. No joke.
About the only one who speaks sense and actually understands the common man 😂
Carlton definitely has a dodgy streaming box
😂 he’s got the fire stick hooked up
he don't age that's all I know.. that's the real conundrum here lol
It will hit a point where the broadcasters will start losing too many customers to be able to make the arrangement with the Premier League profitable, at which point the bids for the rights will plateau or start falling.
You might say someone else will come in and take over, and they might, but if Sky and BT cant make it profitable at certain price points, then any new broadcaster will have the same issue.
This is bound to happen especially for sky...when comcast overplayed by alot for sky they were asking a gamble on sky being bigger than it already was,the biggest issue for sky is soccer has a stranglehold on UK among other sports,if they don't have the epl I think they fear they might even take a bigger hit with less subscriptions....I think if the epl was growing it audience in the UK on a free to air channel ,they broadcaster would have no choice but to get a deal that makes sense for them considering they are at the mercy of the advertisers and perhaps it would be an slight overpay while projecting towards the future but at the current moment with sky seems like the epl has them over a barrel and in turn sky thinks they are doing the same to their subscribers...the same goes for other markets every time the media rights are renewed the dish always increases to cover the overpay cos these companies can't make a loss especially if they have investors
They all over-pay for Prem rights in order to up- sell all their other terrible content.... That's the model... Get the rights to a slice of Prem/UCL football... Then up-sell a tonne of sh*t...
A huge amount of the Population DON'T have Sky/BT/Amazon due to price. Surely if they made it cheaper, more people would subscribe and it would take up the slack? 10 million houses paying £75 a month is better than 5 million paying £140 a month. Keep the same pricing for Pubs and business as they are more able to make money from it.
@@alexojideagu The maths will be scrutinized and its likely that making it cheaper doesnt result in a big enough increase in subs.... Thre is a core base of customers who will pay the money regardless.... There is also the issue of up-selling.... SKY, BT, Amazon... All of these platforms up-sell their whole catalogue by trying to get you in the door with a bit of Prem or UCL football.... Making you pay for a tonne of sh*t....
Prem should create their own Netflix just for football content. Say 40/ per month to watch every match whenever you want.
People are currently choosing to have either food or gas, paying to watch football doesn't even enter the thought proccess.
I live in a 3rd world country and we pay much less for access to European football. You lot are getting scammed just to watch games that play in your own town/city/country.
You pay what you can afford. It’s called economics
Listen to the argument ffs! You pay less simply because your provider pays less. And why do they pay less? Because the overall demand in your '3rd world country' is less. Probably because there's not enough people with enough money to waste watching English football.
And btw, there's no such thing as '3rd world' anymore it's called a 'developing country'.
@@Denchanter Fair point but the subscriptions are almost similar in price. We just have DSTV/ Go TV as the cable network for most of the southern part of Africa and their able to get the broadcasting rights from these league. I've always taken them for granted.
@@gillie-monger3394 that has got to be the dumbest argument I've ever heard. There are countries outside the UK that have a larger population and also has a larger following for teams like Arsenal, Man Utd, etc
@@sweetdukes7031 it’s not a dumb argument. I accept that he was rude.
There has to be a realistic discussion about players salaries. This is destroying football.
100% agree. I'm not a big fan of buzzwords like 'sustainable', but clearly the direction football finances have been heading in for a while now is completely unsustainable.
GREED
you should never blame it on the players salary, these guys played at a club level specifically for football since they were children. on average epl player gets about 3 to 4 mil and yet other sports like nba for example each player make 9 mil on average, average mlb player makes almost 5 mil, and these people didnt put in as much time as the average footballers since they were young, yet football wants to add in more games like with new ucl format, new club world cup format, new world cup format, its totally not fair no matter where u see it from, they should just make a closed super league and sort things out cleanly or smth
@@randomdudelol5263 the flaw in your argument is that I bet if you check the NBA those teams arent in debt and constantly lose money! Also, it was and is a privilege to play for a club, these kids get plucked and supported for a long time! They means their families usually benefit too. As for competitions, that is down to UEFA and mafifa who want more money..... and why ... guess what ITS BECAUSE THE PLAYERS WANT BIG SALARIES AND ARE ALWAYS ASKING FOR MORE! GREED GREED GREED!
@@russellharvey698 its not crazy at all, theyre supposed to ask more money, football is the most popular sports in the world but they still dont make as much as nfl cuz nfl can market their goods better, there are a lot more matches pirated in football than any other sports and its also weird that footballs prob the only sports that the big teams are fragmented as divided into completely different leagues, theyre supposed unite the big teams and find a way to stop pirating games, so more ppl watch legally and price goes down, never blame the players for the flawed system
Incredible, Simon spits facts and Jim is just emotionally unstable about it 🤣🤣
It shows how bad the uk justice system is when they get a sentence like this but ( how can i word this without it being taken down ) someone can do a saville and get far less time inside.
Shows what people really care about(the green not justice)
@@craigoliver8712 totally agree
Quite easy Simon, when The FA are selling rights, make the caveat that they buy the rights to all games. If the clubs get less revenue so be it. They will adjust their spend and budgets accordingly.
That's not how it works,the epl sells packages to the networks,some big some small...paid tv has programming too and games are played on certain days cos of some antitrust laws...if sky is buying its package of not so many games at 10m a game that's as a result of scarcity...the major problem and what Simon doesn't address well is that unless the broadcasters have a stake in the epl they are under no obligation to overpay rights fees,but they do cos it allows them to then increase the sub for sky sports cos they know there is a huge segment that will stay regardless of how much they are overcharged...if ad revenue isn't increasing at the same proportion as subscription money that tells you everything you need to know about the business model or even the carriage fees from the cable or satellite operator
The real criminals are the broadcasters.
The guys that were sentenced are modern Robin Hood's in my opinion!!!
Also if the broadcasters reduced what they were willing to pay to acquire these rights, then these greedy footballers on huge contracts would have no option to reduce their demands when the greed fuelled contracts they are already on were coming to an end.
If broadcasters agreed that there was a threshold they were not willing to go above in terms of paying for rights then the prices would come down. However, this will never happen, because if one broadcaster did bid lower the other broadcaster would just go higher. It's a vicious circle
You’ve got it the wrong way around. Broadcasters have to pay high because that’s what the premier league (ie the 20 member clubs) set the price at. The clubs set this price because they have to pay crazy player salaries. If you trace it back to the origin it stops at the players and their agents. You introduce a pay cap then everything flows through and would cost less. You have to trace the money back all the way. You can’t stop at the middle of the chain (ie at broadcasters).
@@JnoPrds Even if thats true, the broadcasters could say we won't bid a penny over this. Gentleman handshake, but thats cuckoo land to think that would ever happen.
Clubs can ask for what they want but if broadcasters refused to pay it then it would trickle down.
It's just a shambles
Player Salaries are a result of the high revenue generated by the game, not the other way round.
No it isn’t. The high salaries are a result of Russian and Arab money coming into the game and absolutely destroying the eco system of the wage / revenue structure of football
@@Killerkwoi13 just Russian and Arab money? Explain the likes of Man Utd and Barcelona then who have paid some players extortionate money and now it’s coming back to haunt them.
@@hi-ls6lt because state owned arab clubs and russian oligarch money caused hyper inflation in the eco system of wages, destroying the balance of clubs only spending what they generate. Utd and barca overpay but that isn't their fault originally, and its not just those clubs, but all clubs in the prem basically have to overpay now, because our wage structure is out of control, blame chelsea, citeh, psg for that
@@hi-ls6lt Right! Everyone involved is to blame and whoever can't see that is biased
@@Killerkwoi13 this is BS. Citys wage bill was half Barca and Reals just 2 years ago. City have never had a single player on 500k a week. Barca and Real have had loads. Who says they have to have the best players? They don't have a devine right to have the highest wage bill.
I agree with Simon. Supporters have the option to choose the broadcast from their own club at much less than the big broadcasters
Would absolutely love for there to be a streaming service similar to the what the NBA and NFL have, where every single game is available. Understand that’s a lot easier said than done though
Agree, say they charge 40-50 per month to be able to stream any game whenever you want. They could make 5-6 billion per year in broadcast miney and the fans would get what they want.
Already here in America. $10/mo gets every prom game and that networks entire catalogue. For ~$25/mo and combining multiple subscriptions, we get every game in the top 5 leagues in Europe including the championship, FA Cup, Europa and UEFA Champions League. I am mind-boggled learning how bad you're own country has it. I had no idea.
Simon Jordan AGAIN. Nothing but facts. What a guy.
Top Lad Proper Clobber ✊💯 Facts
The DON only speaks in fluent truths.
Simon = top LAD proper clobber.
Welcome to the jordanites JY
Simons a businessman and he only ever looks at things from that perspective. Businessman don’t care about your everyday human. We’re numbers and money to them
Absolutely
Listen to what he saying people's greed from sport stars and sport agents milking it. Everyone in the game milking as much they can (don't blame them ). It's basically its a domino effect and the people that suffer the most is the working person that needs to pay more to cover all the other costs . For the braodcasters to pay to show it and pay the league . League pay the clubs and the clubs pay the players . Domino effect .
I rarely ever agree with Jordan but he is 100% correct in his assessment and it takes very simple economical and financial knowledge to understand that. But most people are simpletons that need their hand being held.
YES THATS WHY YOURE BEING RIPPED OFF BY SKY BT ETC. AND WHY YOU PAY 90 QUID FOR A JERSEY
@@KJB99UTS14 It's not the EPL that sets the price for the Sky sports package or BT...if you overpay the media rights to a league seems like you've put your company in a bind cos then you have to overcharge the customer and thats what happens...its not the players...its the greed of the networks who seem stupid enough to pay the epl way too money for a relatively smaller audience than what other major sports league get...3ish million a game for 10mi pounds,that's insane...that's just sky....its really stupid passing along the cost to the viewing audience cos there's going to be a tipping point where less people can afford 200 pounds a month to watch a few EPL games
PL needs to launch a subscription based platform like the NBA League Pass here in the USA. It’s only $90 per year if you want to follow one team or $200 for all teams.
But baggy ball is yawn
@@craigoliver8712 But they get more from broadcasters. Why would they do that. That would mean less ppl watching on Sky Bt and less money Sky Bt would pay to them.
@@kvnthms Think you've answered the wrong dude-dude
@@craigoliver8712 Yeah 🤣
@@kvnthmsif the prem did their own subscription service for £9pm they would make and absolute fortune more then what the Broadcasters make them
Michael Jordan once explained why its crazy how athletes now get crazy amounts of money just off the potential they possess. Athletes now have clauses & packages with certain guaranteed payouts, some players have clauses with private planes with their families/entourage. Jordan says some athletes have lost the principal of earning the rewards of your talent. We've seen players like Oscar literally saying he went to China because of the ridiculous high wages. Now we have players who don't care about playing/give 100% effort as long as the money is coming in. On top of that due to this crazy money some players get a "bigger than the club" treatment because of their monetary value for the business side of the club. At some point it makes football boring & fans are at the receiving end of clubs wanting to make their money back from these amounts they pay for players
Sure have seen players showing little desire and giving minimal effort because they get paid whatever. Life of Rily.
I kinda agree with Jordon but its not just football and footballers. This is a phenomena all over the entertainment industry. Take Ticketmaster for instance. They take the lionshare of money for events and dont really offer anything other than tickets that you have to print out yourself anyway. Its just one of the consequences of capitalism. Same with landlords.
Lol at same with landlords. You are clueless beyond belief. The landlords are just a tier up. They’re still at the behest of the banks
Simon is completely right%!, It’s all driven by salaries and transfer fees
I’m an Aussie Rules fan in Australia - we have live broadcasts at the same time as game time for the vast majority of games in a season, attendances are as good as they have been, even though season memberships and game day tickets are a bit pricey (plus food prices at the stadium are ridiculous)
It’s not the premier league clubs that will suffer if you lose the blackout. It’ll be the 72 EFL clubs baring a few with huge support
No wonder most of those players pass by fans without looking at them. Even the most mediocre player is a privileged millionaire if not multi millionaire
You’re totally misunderstanding the entire situation , you just love SJ and can’t see beyond your nose
Why shouldn't they be paid what they deserve?
Players don't pay themselves big wages! The clubs offer the money.. What is a player gona do say no?
Make even a token gesture to give back like Juan Mata+a few others have(way too few though)
@@craigoliver8712 or people stop getting the service because of the price and market forces will drive it down thus players wages will drop due to less revenue or a salary cap there is no other way the subscription falls in price.
10% of their wages should go back to their local community.
@@JimMelton-uf7rg 10 percent would stay in the local community if people stopped paying ridiculous amounts for Sky/BT sports in the first place.. Cancel your subscription and watch the price fall..
In south africa, our broadcaster shows every single epl match live. Costs about 40£ per month, and that includes most other sports included in that price
This issue need to be looked at through the perspective of 3 parties. Premier league/broadcasters and finally fans. Currently the league are benefitting the most in this 3 way relationship, the broadcasters have an average deal as they are paying exorbitant prices to the premier league rights and losing customers to illegal streams however they charge an arm and a leg for a select number of games. The fan is the worst off, multiple packages, cost etc. How do we change this whilst trying to keep competition amongst broadcasters? My answer would be the premier league should offer a flat fee (set by the FA) which means 5/6 broadcasters can have access to all games not a select few. Naturally the market forces will determine the monthly fee, for example I would rather pay Amazon £20 a month for all games with no analysis/punditry than paying £130 for BT with Neville et al. But some fans might be willing to pay more for this. For my fellow economic nerds a natural oligopoly has to be cultured. Unless something like this happens the premier league bubble will burst and we will see players leaving wholesale to other leagues as clubs can't maintain wages or we will see premier league games held in 'more profitable' locations.......
If you are paying much more than £50/month for BT and Sky combined, you need to check your monthly bill and see what else is in there. The guy saying he was paying £160/month probably calls his mate in Australia twice a day and wonders why his monthly bill is so high. Goodness knows I've got family members like that.
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You can get Sky for £20 a month if you go through now tv and get a deal. But again price is one issue but the biggest problem is they pick and choose what games to show
If you can’t afford £160 per month for something like Tv/broadband etc then you’re not working hard enough.
We all have the same 24hrs on a day, get up and be a go getter!
@@All-Things-Boxing I'm on 300 a day & I'm struggling mate god knows how the people on 25k a year even survive never mind pay sky 😅
@@All-Things-Boxing nothing wrong with paying 160 a month, EXCEPT YOU DON'T EVEN GET HALF THE GAMES COS OF THE FUCKIN BLACKOUT
Im in Australia and optus put prices up from $15 a month to $25 this season, we can watch any game though, see what it is next year, also have to get paramount + to watch fa cup final, which i will cancel after as theres nothing else on there to watch, ucl we have to get stan. The uk prices are pathetic
I would love to see the data Simon is talking about to suggest that elastic demand does not exist for football. I understand his point “if you lower ticket prices, other accommodations will rise”, but I find it very hard to believe that if you lower the price of tickets and tv subscriptions, that demand for said product would not increase.
I think the problem is that you cant follow your team in every game, with these UK subscriptions. You want to watch every game your team play, but you cant because of the 3pm blackout, which is now a stupid rule. For some clubs its so hard to get tickets/ season tickets, so how else are you suppose to watch your team play if its not broadcast, or you cant get a ticket without finding a "dodgy stream".
Dodgy? Bro, some of these streams are HD and work perfectly.
@@Dave-nq6uy Yeah but they still class as dodgy
@@Hulkage7 dodgy is charging people lots of money to watch a few games a month. Streams are fine.
Two main issues that need to be addressed;
1. Player wages. Put a cap in place. Agree at PL level what would it be and implement it. Maybe at the start there will be a few players that go elsewhere but it will all fall into place no doubt. It would also mean real competition and more clubs fighting for titles.
2. Agents. These leeches are ransacking football across the board. Until this people are not put in their place nothing will change.
It only works if the cap implemented in all the top leagues in Europe. Otherwise Real Madrid, PSG, and Barca will only gobble up the talents.
the reason why 3pm kick offs where not allowed for live Tv was the fear of effecting attendances at the grounds but the vast amount of tv money each club gets overweighs that argument 10 fold.. However with the Efl agreeing a 1b deal with sky to show nearly 1000 live games over 5 season including the 3pms we will see how that effects the homes games going forward or weather away fans just do not bother stumping the nearly £200 just to travel match ticket food drink and sometimes accommodation just for 1 game or just stay at home and watch it on the box much cheaper I guess we will have to wait and see
I actually think the problem is the blackout. People don’t necessarily opt to commit crimes to watch football because of the price points. It’s an access issue. Because the games aren’t televised in the UK and only abroad, so the only option to watch your team is by committing a crime. This in 2023 is utterly ridiculous. Most people aren’t generally criminals, but you have to understand fans love there teams so much they will do whatever it takes to watch them live.
I think if Sky for example had broadcast rights for every Premier League game, people would happily subscribe. They could offer single team access for a cheaper price for people who only want to watch there side. You could also then have a full season package for a higher cost. Would this fix the problem entirely? Absolutely not, but it would certainly help.
I’m a Newcastle fan and getting a ticket is pretty much impossible, due to demand. Everybody should be able to watch there side if they are willing to pay and watch it through legal means.
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Just the fact I needed to see through some of these BS comments.
It's a circle of greed, from the broadcasters to footballers, owners, and sponsors. We are all the gullible cattle that keep them as the 1%.
Spot on Simon. Footballers could earn half and still be mega rich and never need to work again. IPTV would only be killed off if legitimate subscription services were pretty much equivalent to the cost of IPTV and to achieve that they would have to pay less for the rights which gives clubs less to spend on players. The future is bleak, I can see even more subscription services in the future so at the moment we have sky, bt and Amazon, but in the long term the number of providers will grow as TV revenue will only grow IMO. Thus IPTV will continue.
Nonsense u just as clueless as Simon Jordan! Theres something called supply & demand, players are paid by us bcoz we give them the money! Stop paying in masse and broadcaster will adjust price and re negotiate payouts with clubs
UK fans are most definately getting bent over the table...it's well known that across continental europe, via platforms like SportTV, Eleven, etc, there is no 3pm blackout on Premier League games and we pay a pitance by comparrison - also, you can use said subscription IN THE UK, legally as long as it's registered in a continental country, italy, spain, portugal etc
We need Simon’s idea of the Netflix of football
i would assume that almost all players in pro football would prefer to play for 2k a week, rather than flipping burgers or being in jail, which would be their most likely outcome, at least for most of them. you would see the same football, and the tickets would be affordable. and the tv rights would be much lower and they could refinance the cost through advertising easily. all games could start at the same time saturday afternoon. problem is greed....
Exactly. If you said to all players in top leagues, no matter who you are or what your name is, you get 10k per week take it or leave it, not sure many of them would turn it down to go work on checkouts at their local tesco.
@@Jordan-qj7we spot on
It’s all about availability! Why can’t I watch my team when they play? I live in the uk and pay for all the subscriptions but can’t watch my team on a Saturday at 3pm when the rest of the world can!
Totally 100% agree w Simon. It's too easy to blame agents. Nobody likes agents, but they're only jumping on a gravy train set in motion by player greed. I put my money where my mouth is: I refuse to line their pockets by way of PL subscriptions, merch, season tickets etc. PL should agree a salary cap. If the players don't like it they can all sod off to Paris.
It’s mad that people only get angry at footballers earning loads a money, maybe it’s cos they’re working class. Pop stars, golfers, F1 drivers, top tennis players, politicians all make massive amounts of money but nobody seems to mind that
Nonsense
I agree Martin. As usual Simon is talking nonsense
@@thatsplenty1 bet you voted brexit , you have no analytical intelligence
I think this argument applies to all live broadcasts.
Football is only being used as the example. Come on guys…
Remember, top tennis players is VERY limited to players like Federer, Djokovic, Nadal, Murray and Williams over the years. This is also based on performances in tournaments, and money from sponsors. You can't steal a living for 5 years like Drinkwater in tennis. The quantity of players in the Premier League earning huge sums is much, much higher.
It is expensive in the UK. And for few games too. In Nigeria for example u can watch almost all ten games every weekend on supersport for even less than half d price ppl pay for in d UK. So I agree with Simon.
At one point I paid for 4 separate subscriptions and sometimes still couldn’t watch all the matches live. Sometimes they offer it and then they say it’s unavailable.
Simon talks a lot of sense. The problem here is that people interrupt him and change the point of discussion so you never get the full rounded answer.
LOOL as Carlton said.. "thats one way of looking at it, but I look at in in another way "🤣🤣🤣
Simon also talks a lot of crap. It takes a critical eye to spot his constant BS but most thickos just think agreeing with everything he says makes them look and feel smart.
@@JohnDoe-gx8di Well what's funny about that, Simon is only giving his personal opinion as a failed football club manager. He's often wrong, hence why he's a failed football club manager.
I agree that the average premier league football fan is ravenous for player spending. They will picket on the streets against a chairman they think doesn't spend enough or well enough. But I sense Simon Jordan would never consider criticizing the owners and corporate leaders for their parts in the ever expanding prices.
Exactly. He says everyone is part of the problem, but fails to mention the owners. Why? Because he still does business with them.
Yes, the prices are too high, particularly that to watch every game, apart from Saturday blackout, you have to go into contract with several broadcasters. It should only be one broadcaster
Interesting debate.
I think FIFA and UEFA need to do something about the over-inflated salaries and transfer fees. Apparently, FFP regulations are not enough.
If things don't change, piracy will become the norm and you can't blame the consumers, to be honest.
This is just 14 minutes of Jim and Carlton completely misunderstanding Simon’s argument. If it’s the case that 95% of the broadcasting money goes straight into the pockets of players, then how much wiggle room is there really for lowering subscriptions prices, without player salary cuts? The broadcasting money is a major source of income for clubs, and so if clubs are constantly having to spend more and more on wages and fees as a result of a hyper-inflated market, then the broadcasting costs set by the PL need to be higher, and so broadcasting services pay more and need to charge us more to make it viable. No change happens without the club running costs, vast majority of which is player salaries, coming down first!
Alot of wiggle room. Everyone involved is making extraordinary profits and that's just at 5%.
@@AJ-xv7oh Clubs aren't making extraordinary profits. That 5% is left for wages of the rest of the staff, running costs etc.
YOUR PART OF THE PROBELM the price of the monthly subscription is not the real problem its the 3pm blackout. i have been able to pay for all subscriptions for years now but on principle if they can not show every single match im not paying for any of them.
True but put this the other way around, if you make the cost of broadcasting cheaper then players can’t keep asking for these insane wages because they will simply not get it. Also in the UK people are getting ripped off, I live in the Netherlands and pay a total of €25 a month (£20) to watch every premier league, champions league, fa cup, carabao cup and the Europa league. Not to mention I can watch most of the other leagues as well. You guys are paying 5 times to not be able to watch 3 pm kick-offs.
@@101Larz how does player wages effect the 3pm blackout. it doesnt plus i dont pay any subscription. i would if all matches were avaible but since i cant get them all i pay for non of them. Plus players deserve what they get what should chnage is how they are paid i.e performance based if they play bad those on 250,000 need a reduction based on how they play
Simon Jordan hates players. Why can't Sky take a pay cut, How much money does SKY MAKE FROM THE PREMIER LEAGUE EVERY YEAR FROM ADVERTISING, GAMBLING, AND SUBSCRIPTION FEES? You only want the players to take a pay cut.
it used to be free on ITV and BBC, it's the national game, fans think it's their birthright to watch. They've seen how far it's gone and in this age of financial crisis won't put up with the fleecing no more.
TV companies pay exorbitant amounts to secure rights, then charge advertisers and subscribers exorbitant amounts accordingly to try and make a profit. We, the public, have no say in what advertisers pay, yet we end up as end consumers paying a premium on those products and complain about price inflation. Same with sponsors - they just keep paying higher prices and we ultimately get hit in the pocket. The only way it will end is if people stop buying products associated with football, which let's face it isn't going to happen any time soon.
Like a true businessman Simon is the biggest gaslighter in football. Never mentioned owners even ONCE. Surprise surprise.
The biggest expense of every club are player remuneration, transfer fees and agent fees. I don’t know what your point is. Even if every football owner was running as a non profit and they don’t take salary or money out, the cost base of players don’t change. Hence broadcast rights remain high. Hence ticket and streaming price remain high. It’s the players that our taking the most money out of the pockets of the average punter. Don’t be a bigot and accept facts.
Simon spot on, these player wages are out of control and have a massive toll down effect
Oh stop it, Simon is waffling again, players are paid by us, if we decide to not to pay the broadcaster will adjust,
Wake up🤡
@@kaypakaipa8559what a load of nonsense! It’s called inflation, mainly due to clubs like PSG, Chelsea, Man City and now the Saudi league! We don’t pay them a thing, u wake up 🤡
Im a brit living in America and i can tell you the broadcasting here and revenuebsharing between Players and Owners allow stadiums to fill up, teams to watch each of their local games on television and the top players to make a ton of money.
The Prem will eventually have to adopt the “American “ model of salary caps and shared tv revenues.
Even with that the league has to have cost containment i.e player/manager/agent salaries or only a Super League model will make sense because only the top teams will survive.
If Barca , Juve and PSG have financial problems, then everyone else is vulnerable.
What a brilliant character Carlton Palmer is! Legend!
Love Simon and his passion and honesty
Simon = top LAD proper clobber
Simon is 100% correct. The market is what it is, if you want to change it then the wages, cost of players and broadcasting rights will all have to come down. The fact of it is they don't need to, it is sustainable because enough people are willing to pay for match tickets/subscriptions. No amount of idealism or whining will change these facts.
140 a month???? For TV watching??? They are out of their minds
That’s fair enough Simon, let players take less money but don’t you dare ever increase ticket prices, i want clubs to stop fleecing fans on jerseys and merchandise as well etc; what’s good for the goose
The reason the clubs are fleecing you is because players agents and managers are fleecing the clubs with ludicrous salaries
This sis a hen and chicken story!
@@Killerkwoi13 this is BS. The TV revenue doubled in 2013. Remind me, how much did they lower ticket prices and shirts? The answer is zero. They continued to raise prices because all they care about is profits. Players wages don't set the market. The TV deal does. When they TV revenue goes up 50% then so does player wages. That's how it should be. If the chairman stopped price gouging every year player salaries wouldn't increase.
@@russellward4624 why did the revenue magically double in 2013? did the TV companies just benevolently say we feel like offering more money for no apparent reason? or was it that the clubs and premier league demanded more money for the TV rights so as to plug the extortionate wage bill that had been spiralling out of control when Chelsea and Citeh destroyed the eco system of the game
@@russellward4624 its funny people don't understand simple economics here,the epl got in a position where they leverages they popularity outside of the UK and I think they must've told sky and other domestic media partners that they can do without their money and that would have probably had sky sports loose alot of their subs so to rectify that sky figured they can do the same for their audience by passing on the cost for how much the overpaid by ...tv revenue is the one stream of revenue that most clubs are guaranteed and make the most of,if tv providers don't pay exorbitant money that means clubs would spend less within the FFP rules ...its not that hard to follow when their are FFP rules in place...they can only spend what they have and in some cases teams sell players to fund the payroll for the other remaining players
Wage cap is direly needed and agents percentages should also be capped.
I gave up on football about 10 years ago . I refuse to line millionaire players pockets .
Simon's understanding of business around modern sports is as good as it gets. Football really need more people of such understanding!
Yeah it's so good that he bankrupted himself at Crystal Palace, and hasn't owned a club since. He will forever be known as a failed football club owner, yet he sits there telling everyone else how to run their business like he didn't fail. It's a joke. What a hypocrite. That is exactly why he suits this piss-poor radio station down to the ground.
Hang on, didn't he lose his fortune to the game? Don't confuse brains with bluster. 🤣
actually it is not hard to understand if you look at basic accounting / businesses. The expenses are way to high v revenue. simple as. Then you just look at historical numbers. amortization is simple too... straight line. transfers in the premier are overpriced too
@@russellharvey698 Reflecting on the Premier League as if it were a competitive business environment is a fundamental misapprehension; it shares far too many similarities with the broader economy for that to be the case. 🤣
@@fredfredrickson5436 if you run a business whereby the salaries account for 90% of expenses then it would fail quickly.. so football isnt similar. Duh
Simon Jordan hates players
Good, they are greedy and entitled
@Tom Stenson. Why can't Sky take a pay cut, How much money does SKY MAKE FROM THE PREMIER LEAGUE EVERY YEAR FROM ADVERTISING, GAMBLING, AND SUBSCRIPTION FEES? Is there a cap on Sky's profits? Why do You only want the players to take a pay cut? Simon Jordan talks like a greedy employer who wants makes all the money and pays his employees peanuts
@@soccerwagsgfo a lot of the sky money goes into clubs. The clubs then put this money INTO PLAYERS TRANSFERS AND WAGES.
In Norway to watch all of English football (premier league, fa cup, carabao and championship) it's all on one channel for 749 kr which is 54 pounds in todays exchange rate.
The money goes in then the players wages go up, not the other way round
Demand is what drives up the prices, which then drives up the wages.
Wage controls would only give more money to non-playing staff, it would do nothing to lower demand. Executives play an important role, but we watch football for the players.
Simon Jordan is spitting the truth but they dont wana hear him 😂😂😂😂
Simon is targeting players like he always does..
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Simon Jordans ignorance never ceases to amaze me
He's right
He’s absolutely bang on. What are you talking about?
@@JRK2669 he's very wrong. In his small mind, sky sports can make as much money as they want, but players' salaries should be capped
@Police Showdown He constantly complains about Sky, its like the number one thing he does.
@Tom Stenson what are you not getting ?! The clubs chose to pay the wages in this never ending spiral , sky started it and the prem teams wanted to keep pace with Europe’s elite . The players are working class guys all from humble beginnings, this is anti working class BS from the arch capitalist , albeit a failed one , Simon Jordan. Failed club owner cos he made stupid decisions ! What’s not to get ?!
Owners like Man City can easily sell reasonably priced tickets but because of ffp they’re unable to do it. FFP has done more to raise season ticket prices than anything else.
My local pub won’t be paying for sky next year because it has gone from 7k to 10k and they simply can’t afford it.
I think the majority of consumers wouldn’t mind paying the costs if they were allowed to watch every game but the fact about 25-30% of the games aren’t televised because of the 3pm rule makes the consumer feel ripped off. The only way we can watch the 3pm games is to stream them
In Canada I get Fubo for $25.00 CAD per month. All prem games and re-watch options.
I issue isn't particularly the price, the issue is we wana watch more games and generally; I'd assume.. people are willing to pay more... Aslong as there's more match options
It’s not even just the price of sky for football. It’s the fact they pick and choose matches to show. Sometimes you can months without seeing the team you want to watch.
This is crazy to me. In the US you get every game you want anytime to stream for roughly 15 dollars per month. Never had as much access to football as when I moved here. People in England getting fleeced, sadly
VPN of course
This guy Never misses a chance to blame the most essential part football...the players
hes not wrong those is he? the only reason players are on so much is down to the TV money, this is the sole reason the premier league is where it is. If TV money stopped, you bet your bottom dollar that the salaries wouldnt go up so much.
The players are greedy brats
@@johnjones8026 add a salary cap job done but they don’t care so they won’t and haven’t bothered
Fans are the most integral part of football, not players
It's not the player's fault ! Sky and the FA did this now the EPL is the most watch league in the world and you have to attract the best players to sell the right of the league
Local visitors to pubs are always offering this kind of deal!!
In sweden we have viaplay and we can see every match ..its costs around 60 pounds a month
the problem is that fans mainly just want to watch their team and all their teams matches, but you can't unless you stream them illegally as they are not available. and the bigger the team the more chance of seeing them while the majority of teams fans get a fraction of the games. the simple way they can do it and still make a fortune would be to charge £5 per game and stream all and every teams games legally then they get more people buying them and keep all the fans happy as it undermines the streamers
That would hurt the smaller teams though no? How about just charge 50 quid per month and fans can stream any game whenever they want?
@@dylanstevenson5737 Far more people are going to watch the "bigger teams" as they already do. The newer owners are already beginning to press for individual tv rights this would give them more reason to osuh for that.
Poor guys. Sad news. Wish all the best to them and their families.
Are they any bets on for when this thing will crash? The only suggestion to improve a team appears to be spend spend spend.
Its two part issue which are linked. 1. The availability of games, unless your top 6 your lucky to get one game a month. 2. Price of the subscription, which is linked to 1. I’m not paying £60+ pm for one game a month