Danny Murphy CLASHES with Simon Jordan AND Jim White over "INCOMPETENT" Referees and VAR! 😡
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- With new refereeing rules in place in the Premier League, Danny Murphy locks horns with Simon Jordan and Jim White over the competence of referees and VAR.
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Danny is having to make his case about horrendous ref decisions about 3 times in this video, whilst Jim and Simon are literally ignoring him and carrying on with their agenda. Wild!
i knew something was up when i was agreeing with murphy on more than one point
Pardon..... Fa need tell players about new rules???? Bk that comment of his
Yea it was a little stressful to watch. It was like watching Danny talking to a brickwall.
@@kazielbonn yeah it seemed deliberate, like there just needs to be some accountability for the nonsensical decisions
Troubles a brewing when that happens. @@thewalkingpotofjam
Can Jim just chill out with how aggressive he goes after guests when they talk common sense. We all know some of these decisions are awful but he reacts to Danny's points like he's talking Swahili.
He's a top host and interviewer that's why. The standard of the White/Jordan/Murphy shows are head and shoulders above anything else on Talksport and Jim is a big part of the reason why.
@@KarLetroN Because he agrees with Simon and desperately defends the people that can't do their jobs.
@@KarLetroN He really isn't. He's desperate to be outspoken and flex on guests who are clearly intellectually superior to him and far more professional and knowledgable about the talking points. He's like a referee who wants the fans to look at him and not the players. It's little man syndrome.
@@KarLetroNwhat's that got to with Jim admitting that the referee decisions are completely diabolical 💩 💩 💩
Well they are basically saying "hakuna matata" to all the issues he's pointing out.
Jim’s contribution to this
“Simons right!” 🤣🤣🤣
“Danny, Simon’s nailed it!” Poor old Jim haha… he probably writes Simon a Christmas card without reply year on year.
that was so cringeworthy
Jim White has to be a wind up. HAS TO.
I'm finding them harder and harder to listen to
😂
has to!! these rules are making me wont to stop watching the game.
How many times has Jim said Simons right in his life😂😂😂😂
Jim NEVER give Simon any push back 😅
Everrrrrr
He doesn't have the intelligence to do so, on the odd occasion that he tries his counter arguments are beyond stupid.
"I agree Simon" is his trademark phrase.
Because Simon generally has a good take on things
simon's right 95% of the time and 10 times brighter than the rest of them combined
In the past I haven't rated Danny's comments but with this he is far more realistic with his ideas than Simon and Jim. Great comments Danny
Jim White is embarrassing on this show now. Doesn’t listen to the guests just rants off pre-written scripts.
It’s incompetence, plain and simple. “Trying your best” isn’t good enough at the elite level of sports. And these aren’t isolated incidents it’s every single weekend, there’s 4 or 5 blatant errors. The standard is horrendous and as bad as it’s ever been
It worse, as before referees had the excuse of only seeing it once in real time, now they get numerous slowed down replays and still make the wrong decision
Absolute nonsense, where were the 4 or 5 errors last weekend, and don't come out with the Szoboszlai penalty or Romero handball because they were not errors. This is the problem fans with their lack of knowledge of the laws think they've been hard done by when in fact the ref has got it correct
@@cgh08443 did you see the onana penalty? The mac allister “red”? The dunk “handball”? They’re just the ones I can recall but if you think they got those right then there’s no helping you.
@@Graziak5 The Onana and Macallister incidents were wrong, Dunk Handball was adjudged the correct decision by the same Independent Panel that overturned the MacAllister decision, so you cherry pick the decisions that suit your narrative. Again I ask, tell me the 4 or 5 errors that have been made in each of the 2 weeks so far.
@@cgh08443 They can’t, but I bet the players themselves have made 5 errors this weekend. Where’s the criticism for them?
Mac Allister’s red card is an example. No way was that a red. It probably wasn’t even a yellow. VAR should have thrown it out and saved the trouble of the appeal.
studs up - it was a clear red? video proved it
@@peterrowe-prvvideo1853and that’s why it got overturned 😂😂😂
This is crazy, do these guys get paid by the refereeing association or something, because no one who actually watches the EPL in their right mind would be defending the referees like that
Jim White is talkSPORT's answer to Kay Burley......He is shocking!!
Don’t watch then
Always makes me laugh when jim forms a tag team partnership with Simon 🤣
Refereeing in this country is awful. Their best at the moment is not good enough.
Do you watch football in other countries as much as England? Are you in a position to make a fair comparison?
@@redmed10He wasn't making a comparison. Chill out pal
Missing the wolves penalty was incompetence.nothing to do with new laws.
Why is it so hard for Simon and Jim to understand that there needs to be accountability from the refs and VAR. There has been absolute howlers from the officials and we only 2 weeks into the prem. The rate we are going these officials need to be replaced by AI.
Maybe thats the goal.
Where’s the accountability for players constantly missing easy chances and open goals or committing defensive howlers?
@@danielhornby5581 What does that have to do with the Piss poor officiating?
@@danielhornby5581 Which players are you talking about specifically? Use examples and suggest what should happen to them? For Referee's the VAR in the wolves game that missed the assault and missed the 5 errors in the Spurs Brighton game last season doesn't know the rules of football and should not be a referee he should be fired or put into re-education until he can tell the different between someone getting struck from behind and a "coming together".
@@danielhornby5581 they usually get benched and then sold if they are too awful
Simon saying it’s down to subjectivity and not incompetence is ridiculous! The handball against Brighton! The penalty not given to wolves and the red against Liverpool is complete incompetence! These officials literally have video technology to help them make to correct call and they can’t get these things correct it’s incompetence or it’s foul play 👍
Throw in the nonsense penalty given to Liverpool and the ludicrous decision to not give a penalty to Man Utd against Spurs.
It's all incompetence
Jim never has a thought of his own...
Jim White says refs aren't incompetent or stupid but then how would one categorize the bizzare decision not to award Wolves a penalty last week?
Of course, every single "coming-together" of players is different but, if a referee is incapable of recognising a clear offence, then how on Earth is he qualified to officiate the game at a professional level?
The flaw in VAR for me is that it’s operated by referees who are all friends. They don’t want to undermine the referee on the pitch rather than overrule them and send them to look at the monitor in order to save face
Yep, they all holiday together, most of them are from Manchester, they've got each others backs. If one makes a big mistake, VAR backs that mistake, so whats the point in VAR then.
1 day after this comment, Mike Dean admits that he didn’t want to send a ref to the monitor because he was his mate. Great timing!
The referees are shocking have been for the last ten years end of. And then we have var.
Simon is ignoring that some of the time added on has nothing to do with the players but rather with the system of VAR, injuries & how long referees take time to make a decision. Time added on is not added on solely on time wasting, Simon is ignoring this obvious fact. Then there's the fact that there are inept refs that have not been trained enough.
No training in the world will make it possible to keep everybody happy all the time.
VAR is one of the reasons why a change to extra time was probably necessary though. It's a relatively new system that was actively taking away time with the ball being in play, and until now nothing was changed to account for this.
Talksport - CLASH.. Skysports - HEATED
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All scripted for clicks and views
HEATED CLASH SPARKS FLY nonsense.
Onana clattering into the attacking player in game 1, nowhere near the ball - 100% stonewall penalty all day long
Referee and VAR say no penalty !!
100% fixed 🤬
Not fixed - just incompetent - just like two penalties United should have had v spurs not given - if they were trying to fix it - United wouldn’t be denied proper penalties
Handball in the Tottenham pen area was a pen all day long and United didn't get it and those two officials aren't being stood down!
That ref that was on var also deemed that joe willock being SHOVED into crystal palaces goalkeeper by a crystal palace player which then caused the ball to miss willock, hit off the guy shoving him and goes in as an own goal as a FOUL ON THE GOALKEEPER.
So there is your proof its completely rigged. You can't say onana who clatters a player on his own volition isnt a foul but say someone being PUSHED into the goalkeeper is a foul on the keeper.
Salisbury made both of these wrong decisions that contradict each other, the fact he is still a referee PROVES this is meant to happen otherwise he'd be sacked.
Not under the guidelines this season@@kevinduff3584
Simon Jordan would clash with his own reflection
Are Jim and Simon even listening to Danny 😂
On every Talksport Live stream Jim says 'I agree Simon' 13 times on average its getting ridiculous now. 🙄 😮 😊
Tell me about it ?
simon loves football because he can talk about it endlessly and hear the sound of his own voice, don't know if he's ever watched a game though.
Are you a Lazio fan? Is your sister your mother?
i'm in the youtube comments section with simons son in-law chris, nice to meet you chris. @@chrisshaw3939
Not to be rude, but i dare say he has seen a lot more than you ? He is a very intelligent fella, granted we all have different opinions, this debate was quite interesting.
@stevewilson6390 I don't think that's rude at all, it's a fact.
@@JimMelton-uf7rg
What's a fact? Of course he has watched a football match all the way through.
Jimbo on his high horse yet again
A few months ago Danny said he wanted VAR scrapped completely 😂
Sir Simon & Danny= Top LADS Proper Clobbers 💯 Facts
If the FA is trying to take time wasting seriously then either stop the clock or have a timer and it it takes 10 seconds to throw the ball then it goes to the opposition. Instead what we have is whenether the referee feels a bit pissed off but what about next week when West Ham take 20 seconds to do a long throw?
Simon concurrrrrs with your point of view to square the circle.
The problem is the PGMOL is more like a cult... They affect games and come out with silly "sorry".. Would they give the teams affected points when they fail to win league titles or get relegated? Jon moss was sacked last season and now he's back training referees after years of incompetence
Jim White 😂
Danny is right VAR is a waste of time unless they get rid of clear and obvious error. An error is an error, it is either right or wrong end of story. Simon and Jim as always arguing different subjects and not listening to their guests
Simon talking to Danny like he never played top flight football , he knows more then Jim
Danny is spot on. It is NOT subjective like Simon argues. Decisions are clearly wrong.
The clearest example that springs to mind was last season, Chelsea vs Spurs, there was a corner, and Cucurella was literally was hauled to the ground by a spurs player pulling his hair. That is NOT allowed in the sport. Spurs scored as a result of the foul not being given, and yet VAR did nothing. That is not subjective - it is simply incompetence and a wrong decision that has cost a team a result.
We are in game week 2 of this season, and there are already a number of potentially game changing referee errors that are costing teams points. Wolves SHOULD have had a pen against Man U. Liverpools red card was wrong. etc This is not good enough.
Simon and Jim arguing that players need to respect the refs, is a seperate issue to Refs and VAR getting the decisions correct.
It is beyond a joke. If Liverpoolost that game because of the red... Would it have been replayed? No.
Lol Danny hasn’t questioned the new rules once, yet Jim keeps bringing up the new rules lol. No one said the new rules were bad ffs
Whenever the title says CLASH it's really not a clash is it?! 😂😂
Barnsley 7-0 Port Vale.
Deep in the 2nd half.
Barnsley keeper gets carded for time wasting.
How Simon Jordan can sit there and say there isn’t incompetence is beyond me.
VAR is killing the game.
Its raining heavily today
Simon Jordan : Its players’ fault
They love a good clickbait argument don’t they 😂
Danny is spot on here, Jim is being a plank as normal... the refereeing has been awful, Tomiyasu's second card was a joke!
I wouldn't be so quick to trust Howard Webb.
He's been in charge for a bit now, and horrendous calls are still made every weekend
Jim White , has lost it , think he needs a break for a long time !!!!
Has Jim ever thought Simon was wrong??
Murphy asking for players being given time to “get used to rules”. Why?
Players have been cheating for years now with almost no comeback due to the players themselves intimidating officials, managers doing the same, fans calling refs disgraceful names, idiots on social media pillorying every refereeing mistake without the same relish shown for players diving, missing open goals etc.
The players themselves need to be brought to account for a change.
A simple solution would be to give players a striaght red card for obvious cheating, straight reds for diving, straight reds for talking to the officials out of turn. Consistent, long term application of a system like this would rapidly bring these players behaving themselves.
Football needs a culture change and the rules makers will help this by sticking to their guns of a hard line on ref abuse and cheating.
Simon is just taking the piss at this point
Jim almost in tears lmao😂😂😂
Maybe if the players stopped cheating in all aspects of the game might have better reffing just a thought
If the refs actually did their job right then they wouldn’t turn a blind eye to la,yers cheating diving time wasting all this crap your sounding like your defending these officials
Not really relevant. Stop regurgutating Jim White's nonsense points.
Next week on Talksport
Jim argues with Simon about how Refs are incompetent and players are all honorable
How can you not support Danny's argument? We all want the major decisions to be right.
The officials should have to come out and publicly state why they made a certain call. They would either be applauded or exposed.
The more people involved, the more problems there will be.
Too many cooks and all that
It’s not incompetence, it’s match fixing to make money and I guarantee the PGMOL also have a betting syndicate. Corrupt league
If that’s true you should go to the police ASAP with your evidence
@@briansmith975it’s a game of football. They don’t care about rapists and pedos so why would they care about football?
Alright Le tissier over there
Danny is absolutely right…sheer incompetence in so many instances.
Danny is the best pundit out there
Said nobody… ever. Except you I guess!
Better than a lot of the dross that they use on TV and Radio now.
😂😂😂😂😂
He's good on MOTD and definitely the best on Talksport
Where’s the CLASH?
I don't know what Jims watching. If referees are incompetent call them out. Just like how players and managers are fairly called out on talksport. But Jim don't want any of it.
So basically once a team goes ahead in the game, players on that team have to make sure they take every throw in within 8-10 seconds of picking the ball up or risk being booked but if a player takes 20 seconds or more if the game is level they won’t be carded. What a load of crap, since Howard Webb has come in they as the head of referees, the refs have actually become even more incompetent than before he was there!
Need to have a throw in clock, 20 second timer to get the ball back in play or get rid of thrown ins for kick ins.
the only thing VAR should be able to overturn is offsides. Otherwise VAR should look at every single goal, pen, and card and if there is any doubt they send the ref to to the monitor but the ref on the field then makes the decision. Now there is the sense that the VAR sending the ref to the monitor means he MUST change the call. What matters is that the major decisions are correct. Goals, pens, cards.
It's not purely about intent - a few years ago Mane sending off for high foot that collided with Ederson. Nothing malicious, but was dangerous so was a red. Mac Alister's wasn't a red card, even the FA have overturned his suspension.
If refs want order back in the game they need to oversee matches with more consistency and VAR can help bring about more consistent decision making. It's incompetent because what 1 ref interprets as a red, another says yellow and another thinks 50/50 let play continue. If the rules aren't applied equally then there will always be a debate about are the refs doing their job or are they biased
Danny talking about VAR? Never!
Decisions are subjective within the rules
Simons brain works at the speed of light.
How much of a 🛎️ is Jim White nowadays? Jheez
The officials may be mistaking mistakes and as an over 50 year old man I remember when what the ref said was final. Just take away the clear and obvious from VAR, this is making VAR harder to work. Remember VAR is only a system, it is down to the people running VAR.
I used to be a ref for over a decade, and once a month there would be a meeting w/ all the refs and we would go over situations and set standards for what we were going to call as a foul and so on for the season. That way there was a standard set and all the refs would be consistent w/ their calls.
This was for youth club soccer, and I feel like we had a higher standard reffing youth games, than the EPL refs. Honestly, being a ref is hard, but it is not as hard when you have replays, and these EPL refs still can't get it right w/ the technology they have.
They are either laughably incompetent or totally corrupt. Either way, everyone is fed up w/ them and they are about one bad weekend away from causing a riot with their BS.
Get refs from other countries that know what they are doing, and I bet they would do the job 1000x times better than the current lot. Clear them out and see what happens.
This is the best sport on the planet. Refs are insignificant to our game and should remain low in the pecking order. They are trying to take centre stage. Maybe the prem needs to step in and replace them all.
You’re talking nonsense. Players get away with cheating constantly, they need bringing to account for this nonsense.
@danielhornby5581 why do we watch football ? It's for the fun goals and competition. Refs are dragging the game down and bringing every single match day into disruption. Their deceptive/ nieve use of VAR is the tipping point
@@86Brasco Players also drag the game down with their constant cheating.
Danny is the one clearly right in this video 100% , Simon to a degree but Jim turns it into a let’s kick and blame players for everything in the last ten years , misses the point completely
Jim's actually getting more and more annoying with each passing show.
Then why bother having VAR if it's not for telling the reff he's made a mistake?!!! Seriously, why have it?
Release the transcript
Does Simon know he is one of them 'talking heads'? Why does he think he is not part of media?
Exactly. Thinks he's clever. We all know talksport do exactly the same
Theres no excuse for getting decisions wrong when youve literally got a TV in front of you. Its disgraceful.
Jim's g-string must be chaffing, he's got 'em in a right old twist. Chill Jim, chill.
Bruno is right tho, Romero was a clear handball and they do owe United an explanation
The explanation was in this seasons guidelines, would have been given last year but rightly not this season
jim getting paid from the refs or something? some of the worst refs in world football which is embarrassing for the best league in the world. already more shocking decisions than one had 2 weeks in
I have no problem this new law, but what I have a problem some teams get punished, and some teams got away, because of favoritism that is not fair rule. If they implement all across the board is fine, but MC, and MU, and Liverpool got away more than the other teams why?
Incompetence by match officials has been present in the premier league for several seasons... and it isn't improving...
100% agree with Danny. Some autonomy so that the correct decision can be made is common sense and definitely the right way to go. Some of the awful officiating we've seen already could have been helped by the technology.
Danny didn’t stand his ground.. can’t comprehend how the media likes to defend mediocrity.. just call a spade a spade.. the refs have been poor and it’s being a decline in the last 5-7 years..
Jim is hellish.
The incompetence amongst EPL refs is appalling
A guy with glasses has no clue about football
Danny is correct .....var has been around for awhile now and it still feels like it's in it's infancy, so much grey area .....no shame in mistakes from officials but var should be used to get the correct decision every time ...not only when it's clear and obvious.
VAR's role was never to get the correct decision all the time, that is impossible in a highly subjective sport, it was to get rid of the egregious errors which it has done a pretty good job of, not perfect by any means but not as bad as people make out
@cgh08443 - The egregious errors are still happening too often is kinda of my point.
Football is subjective, in real time especially but video tech is supposed to help take subjectivity away and using it in a clear obvious way just adds another layer of grey area ..VAR just needs to step in to help the officials when required.
@@kwamejones1977 VAR was never brought into remove subjectivity, you cannot do that because the laws are inherently subjective, the number of egregious errors will reduce but without VAR there would have been far more. All I want is some objectivity from fans, by all means criticise when errors are made but also commend when things are done well, like we do with players, managers etc
You can't ask the players to "get in line". If the on-field referee and VAR don't get the decisions right on the day, nothing will change. For example, if players dive and con the ref and know that VAR won't correct the Referee's decision, they'll do it again and others will be encouraged to attempt it themselves.
Regardless of their principles, results are king.
Are Refs given a de-brief after the game by official at VAR and if needed told if they got it wrong.
A referee can make an error in real time, human, but Var has no excuse.
Officiating in the Premier League is the worst in the top 5 leagues and it's not even close.
According to Simon refs are bad because the players complain. Simon and Jim tag team and bully anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Jim gets extremely hostile and loud.
You have to admit though a referees job is harder than it should be because players cheat and lie all the time? You admit that yes?
Refs allow all this to happen they make it a hard job cause they are so bloody bad at their job they still will never get punished
'try their best' but still get decisions wrong after getting to see endless replays, that's not trying your best, that's incompetence at the highest level and it's been ongoing with certain referees but of course no one can say anything after PGMOL is an actual cartel, they don't allow foreign officials to join for eg. A referee not in the PGMOL can't referee a game, thats a cartel. Nevermind their little boys trips to Thailand and why a large number of them seem to be from Manchester but somehow don't support the 2 big teams there (despite members of their families having season tickets there).
What is alarming in this conversation, especially from Simon and Jim, is that fans didn’t once get a mention!!!!
The only reason the game exists is because fans pay to watch the game, pay subscriptions that fuel football funding channels…..the game IS ENTERTAINMENT that’s why it exists, no fans no funding no game…..
The referees have a duty to balance that fact, the spectacle of the game, the event, the entertainment with the decisions they make. It’s NOT just about players and referees. Danny is spot on there is far too much refereeing incompetence and grand standing, the Tomi decision against Palace is just one example…..
Once again it isn’t just about the the players and the referees there is 3rd party in the relationship US THE FANS…..and we don’t want games ruined by poor and inconsistent refereeing
Get rid of throw ins and introduce kick ins, players put the ball down and ground pass backwards. Simple!
Jim “I bum Simon Jordan” White