Simon Jordan REACTS To Leicester's FFP Charges & WARNS They Will Face BIGGEST Possible Sanctions 😱😳
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- TalkSPORT's Simon Jordan and football finance expert Stefan Borson react to Leicester City being charged by the Premier League for allegedly breaking financial regulations.
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Simon said it at the end there - The wealthiest clubs will always get away with it - to the detriment of the smaller clubs.
Funny....alot of the "smaller" clubs were happy to quote the rules and point and the Arab owned clubs...and now find themselves falling victims of the rules smh
@@drep9028 the smaller clubs are also happy to reap the benefits of international tv money generated by the big clubs, until they can't follow the rules and shriek 'cartel cartel'
These teams getting promoted to the Premier League will end up going right back down, they will not be able to compete if they can't take a risk and spend money on players and salaries.
@@gooner4life518 correct...all because of the legacy clubs insecurities. They thought City when took over would sign Rooney, John, Terry, Fabregas and Van Persie. Then add Buffon and Cannavaro and storm the league. They got scared of competition and now we have this
@@gooner4life518true, but they are supposedly changing the rules next year so that you can spend up to 85% of your profit over 3 years. And trust me that will stand Leeds, saints, Ipswich in fair stead.
Talksport, its "breach", not "breech" 😅
The intern strikes again
100 lines for talksport
I was just gonna say, it's either a very outdated way of saying someone has a big bum or a very obscure reference to cannons.
I assume you caught the "undoubtably" too 🤣
@@bashinknock Good spot for the first one, irregardless.
So Leicesters argument is that the EFL had no jurisdiction and now that the PL has no jurisdiction?? So if that’s Leicesters argument then what jurisdiction have they been playing under?
They can’t have it both ways.
Sounds like they are screwed if they go up or stay down. What annoys me though is that the PL has been hammering smaller clubs while Man City ignored every rule in the book but because they have extremely rich owners with political connections nothing has been done about it.
Respectfully I don’t agree.
The city argument is irrelevant, completely and utterly irrelevant. Everton, Forest and now Leicester have broken PSR it’s incredibly simple, they’ve overspent, lost money and haven’t abided by the rules, these charges are easy to adjudicate and have resolution.
City’s 115 charges that are complex in nature, City have also pleaded not guilty therefore the PL need to have an airtight case in order for their charges to stick. This is not the same and for everyone who says but City, Chelsea don’t really understand the situation. They’ll get theirs.
Instead of this faux outrage (not saying you are but there are those who are so outraged) people need to look at those clubs and say you broke the rules you were punished end of story, it’s absolutely nothing to do with City, Chelsea or the so called big clubs, the PL are not targeting the so called smaller clubs, only the clubs who’ve broken the rules, City have broken the rules and the PL rightly charged them.
To put it another way, legally speaking, if you have two defendants (who have broken the law) 1 has committed one offence, the other multiple offences over a period of time.
Defendant 1 pleads guilty and is sentenced accordingly, in a timely manner.
Defendant 2 pleads not guilty and hires an expensive law team to defend themselves, it doesn’t make to court in a matter of months it takes a good period of time for the prosecution to get their case together and make sure they get the conviction, the defendants lawyers try and delay and delay, but eventually the prosecution and defence have their day in court and whatever happens from there is in the hands of the jury, if the prosecution does its job they’ll get the conviction they’ve been after.
This is exactly what City have done, their within their rights legally to do so, the PL must make sure they’ve got it right to get make sure that their charges of City gets them the guilty verdict they’re after.
It’s not one rule for one and another set for the rest it’s just the way the system has to work. However the PL should be more transparent with where they’re at with the City case so that fans and clubs can be kept aware of how it is progressing but without prejudicing their case.
Everton, Forest & Leicester have to face the facts that they’ve broken the rules and they’ve been punished appropriately. They can’t complain about it, the facts in their cases are the facts.
@@Weakeyedominant yet smaller clubs like Forest been buying left and right and struggled to sell
@@Weakeyedominant Please share this proof you apparently have that Manchester City have ignored every rule in the book. Better still share your evidence with the premier league it could be just what they need to move the case along that much quicker.
FFP is destroying football.
In other news the 115 charges lot are currently going for their 4th premier league title in a row it’s a complete joke
Where were all the people complaining about Man City for the last 10 years?
Because they haven't broken fair play rules they are accused of fraud
Innocent til proven guilty!
@@JamesWilsonMDThe slogan of the guilty.
@@andrewwright4195city will be proven guilty…almost impossible 2 prove fraud❕👍👍
This is becoming a circus. I genuinely believe, this sort of stifling of competition is wrecking our football. I’m borderline ready to totally pack up after 50yrs as a supporter.
It’s making it so frustrating knowing you can never compete with the top 6-8 sides, & newly promoted clubs struggle to just survive.
Correct it's becoming a circus! All these fans were pointing at City and reciting rules like gospel...look Tay them now
Unless they initiate the Socialist MLS model its never gonna change!
Newcastle got in the cl last season. Villa are 4th. Spurs went a decade with a zero net spend on transfers but got to a cl final.
Leicester won the league.
What are you talking about?
@@lilbaz8073 and were they able to maintain their success? Leicester lost their best players to clubs that could pay them more, Newcastle could not add talent to cover their injuries in January (also because they do not have an elite manager) and Spurs did spend money on high profile players and managers btw but were sometimes sluggish to freshen up the squad which Sir Alex was always credited for doing
@@lilbaz8073 Spurs haven't WON anything, though. Runner-up is just a polite way of spelling loser.
not one pundit stood up and said it was wrong when LUFC were docked 10 points and on the next occasion 15 points yet they all stand up to defend Everton, Forest etc;
MOT
Spot on - and there's no chance of anything happening to Leicester in the near future as that would benefit Leeds and the football authorities would never stand for that
And Leicester'were talking of sueing Everton hahahahaha
Oh the irony 😅
If they do get promoted this season, they surely get sued by the clean clubs that miss out...
Snitches get stitches
The fact that city’s charges go back to 2009 and nothing has been done about it makes this whole situation hard to grasp. More and more clubs seem to be jumping the queue for charges when Chelsea and city have been known about since before we got our original 10 point deduction.
Loosing all interest in football when the competition is being made impossible to challenge, the politics in football is ruining the beautiful game
A lot of these rules only came into effect last year and the year before.
Keep talking about city and chelsea and watch them pull up on your club too
What does it matter what Chelsea or City have done in the Everton case- Everton broke the rules so they got punished. If City had gotten punished before Everton, would that have made the points deduction and the inept way your club has been run easier to swallow? You got deducted points because your club has been run terribly not because City have been cheating. There is no secret plot against everton- why would there be, Everton arent significant in the macro economic landscape of world football. No one apart from Everton fans care about Everton.
It's not hard to grasp, it's called corruption. They're not going to actually charge Manchester City with anything. They are just hoping we either forget all about those charges or just accept nothing is going to happen.
You’re right the charges go back to 2009 when there was no such thing as FFP then 👍🏾👍🏾 you don’t even know what you’re talking about, just chatting out of your ass. The City situation isn’t the same as the other clubs situation like what do you not understand about that. Chelsea under the new regime haven’t broken PSR yet key word is yet they most likely will June 30th but idk why you’re complaining when those teams knew the rules and still chose to break the rules
Leicester have used their lawyers to dodge scutiny while snearing at Everton. They also broke FFP to get into the Premier League in the first place and got away with a fine at the time.
They have form, they went into administration in 2002 , owing £30m & a large part of that was unpaid tax , it was the Collector of Taxes that took them to administration!
@craigshackleton1652 Everton have spent up to a billion in recent years on their squad we won the league and fa cup got money from Europe and sold a lot of players for good prices so how tf were in this situation is beyond me
@@kathchandler4919 Not only that, they had a new stadium constructed and built up a new team, hoovering up top players on stupid money, won promotion then went into administration - stuffing everyone they owed money to. They still went up though.
Are they trying it on again? Why not, they got away with it last time.
But noone is speaking about
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@@gibson617ajg lol Leicester did not have top players to win the prem. It was the Thai money that sorted out the fallout.. your incorrect.
I think you mean breach
Prob done on purpose cus theyre desperate for interactions on their content 😂
Does anyone actually proof read their content before it goes out ? Their tiles regularly have basic spelling mistakes.
I'm sure SJ was not referring to the size of Leicester's trousers 🙈
@@PapaKilo1975 it’s titles lol
@@leemac1774 i mean the thumbnail 'tiles' that you see on CZcams to click on the article.
@@PapaKilo1975 hmmmmm 🤔
As an Ipswich fan why can’t they give them a deduction this season 😂
if you watched the vid you would understand
@@AA_lcfc I do understand, it’s a joke. The whole thing is farcical. Leicester didn’t exactly splash the cash. These rules are making it near on impossible for anyone to break into the big big club at the top. Feel for Newcastle fans, must have thought all this money, we have made it. But door has been firmly shut, was okay for Chelsea and City to do it but we will now stop anyone else. Prem is a joke
@@SuperKinloNot strictly true, not exactly Man City money but they have spent over half a billion pounds on players since winning the title.
@@SuperKinlobingo, that’s why the rules are there! keep the establishment! (I’d argue the same about var helping to rig games too) - the rules are stupid anyway, if you have or can get the cash you should be able to spend what you want
Leicester will probably get away with it? I can remember very well when thy built the new stadium and went bust paying back 10p in the pounds creditors? And the next seasons they were taking clubs top players and paying them ridiculous wages other clubs couldn’t afford to pay! It has sickened me ever since it was obscene!
Forest ..derby ..Coventry which one lol ..😂
@@Eric-qm5xw what makes you think anybody thinks Leicester are relevant to their club, as far as I am aware no club considers their Darby game to be against Leicester? Nobody cares but how the club went bust, and the cheating afterwards was obscene!
@@waynewal971 salty haha 😂
18 clubs in the Premier League and clubs in the Championship are going to get charged with FFP breaches before City and Chelsea are cleared of all charges.
Chelsea haven't even been charged.
@@alexasrat9005yes they have talk sport discussed it 2 days ago
Shouldn't have voted for the stupid rules in the first place.
Red cartel laughing at you
City was not charged for FFP but misrepresentation of funds. Two different things to be fair
@@gboi264 exactly
Whoever writes these video titles provides consistent entertainment. "Breech"😂
This guy always believes these other clubs are guilty, but when it comes to city he goes thick!!
you must not watch the show...lol
No he doesn’t, he just says cities is hard to proof cus its not a simple over spending budget, its proving sponsees were inflated, which brings in accusations of fraud against major companies attached to state governments, so clearly the prem are going to struggle to actually prove that. Why don’t people actually listen to Stefan instead of just waffling there bs agendas against city
Forest and Everton have been found guilty City not, so by your logic you wish he says City is guilty when City have not been?
Everton and forrest are getting charged with heavy speeding fines. Man City are charged with murder. Apples and oranges.
Well said! I just said the same comment. Borson is an absolute clown.
It’s crazy that clubs are required to provide a set of accounts and they can refuse. Live in-year financial record access to the league authorities should be a given in this day and age.
It should be a requirement to compete in the league in question. If a club plays silly buggers and refuses to show the accounts they should be suspended from playing and deducted 3 points for every match they can't play until they show the books. I bet you only one club will try it, and only once and it would never happen again.
The over seeing bodies should impose immediate fines if ..if..clubs don’t apply and if they have not done so..that’s there fault. The whole thing is a mess..and draconian rules about pay structure etc is a nonsense.
Points deductions, VAR, games regularly having 10 minutes extra time added on, poor standard of refereeing, I'm a Forest fan and tbh right now the Championship looks quite appealing!
The refereeing is horrific in the EFL, wait until you have 6 or 7 goals disallowed and double again in penalties when the championship clubs kick lumps out of the PL teams.
Wouldn't need so much injury time if players didn't waste so much time!
You read my mind...being an Everton fan I'm thinking, would dropping down be such a bad thing, considering the S**t show the Prem is!
@@ShelbybossV8 it would be a disaster for Everton, the ffp restrictions are even stricter and the efl loves putting its thumb on pl teams that think they are too big for them. If they failed to bounce back immediately their squad would be threadbare very quickly.
The only plus to the premier league is the money, but that’s becoming a double edged sword with the amount you have to spend to survive…it’s wages that are killing the game, players are been given to much.
Leicesters bosses are so funny, "we won't tell the PL what our numbers are because we're not in the Premier Leauge!" whilst also going "No EFL we won't tell you because we weren't in the EFL when we spent that money!" yea that's not gunna wash, they know they broke the rules and they know they're going to get points deducted.
People need to remember that before FFP we had the situations at both Leeds and Portsmouth. Both spent vastly more than they earned and both ended up going through multiple relegations, administration and in Portsmouths case a winding up order. It’s all well and good when there’s a rich owner or benefactor to keep paying the bills. But what happens when they decide not to or leave. This is what happened at Portsmouth when the rich Russian owner stopped paying the bills and it’s what’s happening at Reading where the owner has lost interest. The idea of FFP or PSR is to try and make the clubs sustainable so there’s still a club to support in 50 years.
Please explain how deducting points from relegation threatened teams is helping to achieve that?
@@mhead4376it should ward clubs away from breaking the rules. How the hell is that not simple.
They're guilty. Should stop them from gaining promotion this season
They got 80 million for maguire, 75 million for fofana massive parachute payments and prizes for the prem and fa cup including many years of tv money. Even Rodgers had multiple interviews saying the owners can't spend money. And then Man city and Chelsea spend billions and the can keeps being kicked back. Very odd. Of course if the owner change depleted the capital and other things affected it fair enough but it looks a bit daft. It's not like they spent big or had big wages and they were succesfull! Even having champions league money, then selling all their best players... very very odd.
As an Ipswich fan, I disagree. I think what’s going on is protecting other clubs from ever being able to get to the levels of the big boys. Was okay for Chelsea and City but now the likes of Newcastle, Villa, and other clubs have cash wealthy owners they have changed the ball park.
Elite just looking out for themselves not interested in competition. Is what the super league proposal was all about.
I know lets not them play the rest of the season too!! KNOB!!
@@Driller0072 nah they can still play nob
@@Musician7831 🤫🤫
Honestly. All of this is ruining football. They literally had the lottery ticket with the premier league and they are blowing it. It’s now all about who has the best accountant and lawyer. It’s ridiculous
Almost like it was intentional
I agree 100% about the putting up a bond. It covers so many bases and would enable clubs outside the top 6 to compete financially should they choose to. In effect It would be telling clubs to show they have the funds to back up their plans.
Stop the whining. stop acting like one's club is a victim. Man City ARE BEING CHARGED. They will get a hearing. Leciester AGREED TO THESE RULES. they then AGREE to rules then they were a PL CLUB!!
Jim is worried about Leicester fans being affected by the club's mismanagement of their finances; how about Leeds & Southampton fans when their clubs were relegated and the three teams above them (Leicester, Nottm Forest and Everton) all breached FFP last season and, as has been officially stated in judgements handed down to Forest and Everton so far, they gained a sporting advantage by doing so? Why should Leeds & Southampton fans watch their teams get relegated because the teams directly above them cheated the rules? If fans have to suffer it needs to be the fans of the teams who cheated.
leicester never gained a sporting advantage. they didn’t even sign players when they was in the PL last seaosn
They overspent, they clearly and obviously gained a sporting advantage. If they bought nobody that season it just means they should have sold assets to remain FFP compliant. It's not rocket science.
@@AA_lcfc
A quick look at transfermarkt shows they signed Faes, Souttar and Kristiansen for £48m in total.@@AA_lcfc
@@AA_lcfcSouttar 17 million, Faes 17 Million, Kristiansen 14 million. £48,000,000. Tell me again how they didn't sign anybody.
Forest didn't gain any advantage. 🤣
All these clubs voted for these rules to derail Manchester City and Chelsea but it backfired on them. This is all the fault of Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal, to a lesser extent Tottenham....
I don't think that was the case but, to be fair, that the amount hasn't been raised (in line with inflation?) in the eleven years since clubs voted it in is ridiculous.
So why can’t Forest and Everton have a delayed points deduction too?
They're in the PL
Forest were in the PL for a season and the FL 22 seasons in a row before that? Leicester were in Pl for 10 years or so, how's that fair?
They probably wouldn’t want it delayed with Luton, Sheff Utd and Burnley in the league
@@TheBake1986 correct, next year will be a lot tighter if Leeds and Leicester go back up. It looks like Leicester will struggle next season though if they can't strengthen their squad and need to sell a star player to balance their books.
Forest & Everton are in the PL. The PL can deduct points from teams that are in the PL. Leicester are in the Championship, the PL cannot deduct points from a team that is not in the PL. If they get promoted, they'll then get points deducted. This is not difficult to understand.
We don't care about Leicester City! It does not look good for the Premier League attacking small clubs like Everton, Forest and Leicester, it just makes them look more corrupt when the big breacher is clearly going to get away with breaking 115 rules! Football fans are not going to forget about Manchester City nor just accept that the charges have just 'been lost in transit'. Get on with it and strip Manchester City of their trophies and expell them from the league!
Focus on the little clubs AFTER the big priority has been delt with.
As a Leeds fan its fun to see the 3 teams thaat finished above us last season all broke the rules......
As a villa fan seeing a Leeds fan not happy is brilliant 😂
@@dangleebitz2590 At the cost of the integrity of the league? Shallow as ever are villa fans.
S.O.T.V
Breaking FFP should be punished by signing bans ...... 3 seasons for the first ban and then increasing. Dropping points punishes fans who've paid good money from their wages to finance all of this.....
Blame the owners. They knew the rules, they broke them.
I bet the fans were loving it when the shiny new players were unveiled.
Breech is a noun referring to the rear of a gun or the rear, or buttocks, of a person. Most people are familiar with "breeches" meaning "pants." Breach on the other hand means "a break or violation" such as a "breach of conduct" or a "breach in a dam."
Well they went down and kept Premiership players on Premiership wages , so something's not right there ...
Leeds will now be able to sue the premier league or the clubs now, as forest, leicester and everton all cheated and caused them to be relegated , this is going to get messy for someone !
Leeds should.stay in the lower leagues where they can pretend they are something special!
Spent half their history there too, back where they belong this season!
If Leeds go up this season which they hopefully will ironically going down a league will have been beneficial. We’ve been able to regroup, get some stability and though we were a little slow to gel it hasn’t been detrimental to our campaign. Everton probably do need to go down and reset. The money in the premier league is ridiculous. Realistically you need a season where all the big teams are going through transition to have a Leicester scenario again. It’s nice winning games and having aspirations other than slugging it out to stay up. You lose a game but then play on a Tuesday so can get over it quickly enough.
@@evertonfc5380 when the last time you won a trophy lol, tin pot club everton are !
@@TheTudorPrincess thats not the point, leeds have suffered massive financial loss due to them clubs cheating so they should get compensation for that !
And there's also now a case to sue for this season , Leicester and the EFL, as Leicester have gained a 40m advantage in their squad as a result of cheating this year. I hope that Leicester now finishes 3rd and is beaten in the playoffs, then the EFL throws the whole 9 yards at them, next season
I think they are setting a precedent with the smaller clubs so they can go all out on city and say 'look we did it to everyone'
Quit makin it always about City…stop being a jealous hater n u will feel better ❤️🩹 1 day‼️🙄
you sound scared @@blueshadow62
City are a small club
@@carter3369 With the home crowd record and the biggest turnover in England I very much doubt it.
@carter3369 have ypu ever been to England?
There were players on their last year of contract who didn't want to leave because they wanted to leave on a free transfer.
How do you force someone to leave?
Ffp and the financial regulations need to be completely re structured. Leicester are a going concern with strong ownership, these rules are destroying the chance for a competitive playing field. If it carries on then the future of PL could be in serious jeaporady
Makes me livid as a Leeds fan. The only way for clubs to comply is points deduction. These teams disregarded rules as they thought they’d get away with it. Leicester obviously playing a game between PL and EFL. Other clubs, mine included, have and are suffering as a result. That is not fair.
What’s the point of Leicester going up and having a points deduction, straight back down.
It’s friggin cheating. Forest, how many incoming players when they went up? Anyone could see it was a joke.
Meanwhile Man City take the piss out of everyone.
Fans of all are getting a raw deal. It’s not their fault.
Leeds went down because they had a league 1 defence ffs.
In what other industry would it be ok and sustainable for a company to be " ok " if it only loses £30 million a year. Year on year ?
Exactly. I love football, but it shoots itself in the foot. It thinks its above everything else
I agree with the idea of an owner putting up a bond to cover the club as mentiond and i think that has been mentioned elsewhere before. My question about that though is how much is the bond whenbyou have some owners who borrowed heavily to buy the club and have put that debt on the club? How would that work?
If teams had to keep their house in order at the end of every season,and they had financial advisors,things like this wouldn't happen !
It’s a significant beach.
😂😂
Yeah a significant bleach , clearly someone's cleaned up.
@@lesmartin8131 bleacher Report’s
Leicester now getting done before Chelsea and city the premier league are starting to take the piss....Leicester and forest both in 40s Everton 19.5 ...Everton will get more than everyone
Don't put Chelsea and city together, Chelsea haven't been charged, we don't even know for 100% that they will be
@@emmanedits9596 won't be far behind tho
The “crash and burn” reference obviously went over their heads 😂😂
If they breached it seems unfair that they could be promoted without penalty and steal someone else's promotion spot. As an Ipswich fan, i don't want them punished next year
Lol at least your honest ..how’s it affected their performance in the championship though ? A lot of there best left Maddison ..Tielemens etc the current club is a empty husk in comparison.
I’m a Town fan too and totally agree we have complied with FFP rules despite probably having money to spend. Leicester got demoted but still bought in 4-5 players that cost over £5 million each when they should have probably been using money from transfers to balance the books instead. Also manipulating the system to avoid any EFL punishment. The 3 demoted teams have a huge advantage as it is all having a wage bill 3-5 times higher than ours with Leicesters being the highest and now it appears they have completely broken all the FFP rules in both leagues. Zero sympathy for them.
@@jc4778 lol salty 😅
@@Eric-qm5xw it’s not a level playing field and then it becomes apparent Leicester have been breaking the rules over 3 seasons which will give then even more of an advantage and use loopholes to avoid punishment that would probably mean they would have had to sell more players before this season and yet I’m salty 🤣
@@jc4778 Lol I can tell ya are ..salty. All the best
Everything for Leicester has turned negative since the owner sadly passed away.
Yeah lets forget the fa cup
To be relegated so soon after is utter failure.
It's spelled "breach". "Breech" refers to one's nether regions, as in 'breech birth' and 'in breeches' i.e. trousers or britches
This is their second rules break having previously broke rules prior to being promoted previously and IMO should double the pts punishment
Man City is laughing. "HAHAHAHA. Nothing will get to me."
Nahhh City is laughing more about the losers after winning 🏆 the Quintuple 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Man City it is one rule for one and one for another. They think they are above the law!!!!
FFP is a joke
Yup it is ridiculous. From the application, the ridiculous accounting of player depreciation, don't even get me started on this stupidity, to the timeliness,
They really should not be allowed to be promoted to the prem!
Surely if Leicester doesn't think the premiership has any right over them whilst they are in the EFL , refuse them promotion to the premiership!
exellent idea
Send them too the conference league .
FFP is a joke. Why should an owner be restricted from investing in it's own business?
These rules where made to protect the status quo.
It's more damaging long term for the clubs trying to navigate around these rules like Chelsea, getting tied to 10 year contracts. Just let the market regulate itself and keep bureaucrats out of it.
Because much like people on the street, we can overspend and get into financial trouble. Why should a club with over 100 years of history go under because of a reckless owner. Come on mate , try a bit harder to work things out.
@adammohamed.. no club or business has a God given right to survive independently of it's age.
For every bad business that dies, a better one takes it's place. It's basic law of evolution and free markets.
Like a sick animal that dies gives place to a stronger one to use resources and build it's lineage.
Football is no different. Just because you're emotionally attached to a club doesn't mean it has to exist forever. Your feelings have no business doing business, they just a problem of yours.
Clubs couldn't regulate themselves, that's why so many have gone into administration. Virtually all clubs wanted these rules. The clubs that are now being punished voted for these rules. With one or two exceptions owners don't want to be having to pump huge sums of money into their clubs every year to cover operating losses, but when your competitors are doing it you have to as well, and then it leads to a race to the bottom as transfer fees and wages spiral out of control.
@@crystalclean9775 You're talking nonsense fella.
@@crystalclean9775 that’s very true. If we’re talking about business, I’m of the belief that football clubs are an integral part of our culture and our communities. It’s not like the local café down the high Street.
Always good to hear an unbiased view ….
Breech? I reckon there's about 4 GCSE passes in the whole of the Talksport offices.
Why still no mention of Chelsea and city? Ridiculous
Plenty of, just not in this conversation as it's about Leicester's attempts to hide a season's financial records by claiming neither body (PL or EFL) has jurisdiction.
City's case has no bearing on Chelsea. Chelsea's case has no bearing on Leicester's. Leicester's case has no bearing on City's.
If you're on trial for murder, you can't raise a defense based on that other guy in the papers last month who done 6 murders. The judge and jury won't determine your guilt by their case, only the facts of your case.
They were mentioned. About how Man City is avoiding being charged and the fact that it has no bearing on Leicester. Man City's case is due next year and more about fraud than FFP. They lied over their income, exaggerated sponsorship money by millions (maybe one for HMRC), Leicester on the other hand have just overspent and don't want to admit it. Man City could be in bigger trouble than any club breaking FFP.
Breach I think you mean
the expert must be good to keep his former emplyers out of this
Leicester City broke the rules, so they will be punished.
The rules are bullshit. Not a Leicester fan btw.
Football is boring. Money has ruined the game. It really has.
Lets have a break away league for all of the teams that have busted the fair play rules
Only Fulham, West Brom, Manchester City, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton voted against the FFP
@drubry1854
It’s 100% true actually
Newcastle fan here, and the only reason we voted for FFP at the time was because of our then owner, Mike Ashley. He loved the idea of clubs having to be 'self-sufficient' because it meant he didn't have to spend a single penny of his own money on us. The trouble with being self-sufficient is that unless your club has a revenue stream of a Man U, Liverpool, or Arsenal, then you are never going to compete and the best you can hope for is mid table obscurity.
No city and chelsea voted against. Southampton abstained.
Sesame St fan here I agree
Leicester wanted to sue us as well?! 😂
What happens if leicester dont get promoted this season?
Then they have to show the efl their accounts and will get hit hard.
They will go into administration again.
They won't go into admin the owner has money but is not allowed to spend
And man city will be awarded points because the FA don't want to upset them
Deal what's infront of you first FA and premier league and the 1st team is man city
15:34 I'm so sick of callers asking the same questions.
have you ever met a talksport listener? They are literally pondlife
The same Leicester that wanted sue Everton for PSR breach😂
So Leicester argue successfully that EFL didn't have jurisdiction over them for last year and now they're trying to say the PL didn't have jurisdiction during the same period 🤣...couldn't make it up, could ya 😳
They deserve everything coming to them, horrible little club!
Breech?
Lol
I thought you meant BEECHING ! He made a lot of cuts didn’t he ..
As someone who does watch every other league along with the EPL I can say that apart from the top 4-5 teams in England every team under that position were making player acquisitions that were insane. I recall being dumb founded on seeing Naves as the goal keeper of Forest, like on in the world did that happen. I also think West Ham is a team that acquired players and lost a lot of money in bringing those players to their club. It seems like creative accounting when I saw those players move to these teams. I think the rest of Europe is seeing this and thinking that it is insane that West Ham is throwing 20-35 million on average players when they value them at 15-24 million. The figures don't make sense and the salaries on top of that are astronomical as well. I understand that the EPL is the richest league in Europe but these numbers for the type of players they were buying didn't make sense. I think the EPL is doing something that I have never seen. I believe they think by doing all of this they are holding these clubs accountable for poor spending but at the same time they are tarnishing the image of the league. The governing body might just think that the EPL is so far ahead of the other leagues that these decisions arent going to hurt them from being competitive.
If neither Everton or Forest go down and Leicester still get promoted then all these point deductions make absolutely F all difference. Clubs will just keep doing it as the impact is just a few millions pounds of lost prize money based on final league position
City aren't getting strangled.
IKR WAT ABOUT CITYYYY 🤷♂️
The system as it is now seems like a joke. 115 Charges, not a single one adjudicated, might walk free with ZERO consequences, but they are beating up on smaller clubs with smaller bank accounts. Honestly, the way the rules are now, nons of the smaller teams will ever break into the top 6. Look at Newcastle, all the momey in the world doesn't matter because the rules say they can't invest it on the team. Its set up so that big clubs with big revenue will continue to remain big, while smaller clubs with smaller revenues will never be able to break in.
Edit: If Man City walks from all of this with barely any of their 115 charges proven, and end up just paying a small fine, then all these smaller clubs need to team up, lawyer up and take the league to court. There has to be something they can sue them for.
The smaller clubs have not fought it they have admitted fault. City are denying fault. F*cks sake how much of a helmet do you need to be to not understand it yet. They are totally different cases.
😂😂😂😂😂0 ball knowledge
So Leicester say they arnt in the premier. And rules dont apply ?
If thats the case then forest were in still in the premier but one of their years they were in the championship,
They should be deducted points before any kind of possible promotion.
Gary Lineker's tears will be extra salted at the moment.
6-10 points deduction for being in breach and 1 point deducted for each additional £2M of total breach amount. If something like this was implemented then clubs know where they stand and dont have to wait for what seems inconsistent penalties as we are currently experiencing is what I say
When was the line drawn / start with this ffp? Honest question? All this what i hear is retrospect / happened in the past?
Promise you now, Gary Neville, has a lot to do with this, not joking I really believe hes a small part of why this is all going the way it is
How is that
@@jamieoshea4189 moaning about the premier league and the need for independent regulators and calling many times for the government to get involved and regulate English football. He’s gone on about it constantly and now, the premier league are acting strict trying to prove they don’t need to be regulated by external organisations, hence the ffp charges for minor breaches of financial fair play. Now I might be wrong, 100%, but we’ve never seen so many ffp charges, I don’t ever remember a premier league team being given points deductions, if I’ve missed something please correct me because this is just my opinion and I’m not 100% clued up on ffp so I could be wrong
Can someone please tell Stuart to keep quiet 😂
He don't half rabbit on!!!🤣
As an Ipswich fan why are Leicester not having points deducted this year as they are cheating their way to the premier league at the expense of other teams who comply with the regulations
Note to Talk Sport, it's 'Breach', not 'Breech', no-one's having a baby
Leicester have out spent clubs in the championship and taken players who were going to sign for other teams. If they have cheated their finances which it very much sounds like they have, they need punishing. They owe compensation to many teams in the championship. I hope they continue bottling the league, miss out on promotion then get a big points deduction which keeps them in the championship for many years to come. Got no time for cheaters.
In 23/24 bought 6 players cost 42m. Sold Madison, Barnes ,Castagne total 105m.
Leicester have not yet submitted their accounts for the previous season in the Premier league...and according to the Premier league they are guilty of surpassing the legal limit of financial accountability... Leicester have been charged but have not yet been found GUILTY, so withhold your 'Cheat' comments until the facts are fully understood... you're not a Leicester fan obviously, and If you're happy with football going the way it's going with The Top 6 Mafia controlling English football then that is the END of every other Club trying to compete with them.
@@wobkgs what does that tell you about their financial irresponsibility then if they’ve STILL breached FFP?
Forest Everton and Leicester been found guilty of breach of ffp rules means leeds would have stayed up last season if the points deductions had been put in place when they should have been done last season
All of this is turning football in to a total lottery
It looks like 115 charges are going to be forgotten about
With city they saying the faked the amount of money where paid by sponsors ,which is probably true if we being honest but the current evidence the FA as is not good enough they waiting for court to release more documents to them when that happens and then they don't send city packing it's an issue.
No it doesn't. It looks like the case is ongoing and the hearing is expected around August.
Still being calculated . 😊
In what way are they forgotten. It's literally an ongoing investigation. The charges City are facing is in relation to fraud which is a far more complicated process to investigate compared to FFP charges which Leicester/Forest and Everton have faced.
Saying that City's charges have been brushed under the carpet is the most flawed comment
@@phillipcarter8045 🙏🙏🙏
Meanwhile City plough on ffs
Leicester don't want to comply with the epl rules over sustainability, but I bet you they'll take their parachute payments when in the championship.
The Premier League should refuse any promotion by Leicester.
But that would effectively equate to a relegation.
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What would happen to a club that wasn't in Leicester's position (of imminent promotion)? Remaining in the Championship would surely mean a fine eas the only option but it would surely have to be sizeable to have any impact.
Am a Forest fan and agree on the point 're carrying losses up from champ to prem. On all other points, get real. Comply or lose points. It's simple and it will work...keep going, but our time limits on the lawyers so big clubs can't draw it out and make it all seems so unfair.
As football fans we have been crying for FFP to be get a pair of balls now we have got a grip off FFP fans are crying about there teames
Why an arbitrary amount and not limit debt and wage bill to a percentage of turnover?
Simon makes the key point of what is best for the premier league, I’d say actually for English League football. Look at the championship, 4 team league, then a massive gap and then about 12 teams worried about relegation.
I’m a golf fan and look at the mess that’s in at the top level. That’s coming I’m sure.
I wonder if we hadn't built the massive new training centre if we'd be in this situation?
Chelsea, Man City, Everton and now Leicester... What is it about teams that play in blue always wanting to break the beautiful game with money?
A word of warning to those who say their clubs are been unfairly targeted; not too long ago English Rugby Union had three clubs that spent money they didn't have and tried to hide that for as long as possible. As a result London Irish, Worcester along with one of the major clubs Wasps went bankrupt. Their fans no longer have a club to support do the fans of those clubs that are quite clearly breaching the rules realise just what could happen to their club? It's not too long ago that Bolton Wanderers were experiencing European football but they came within hours of extinction.
The simple fact that two of the clubs in question have gone out of their way to hide their true financial situation tells you they knew they were doing wrong but based on the rules of the time all they thought was going to happen was a fine or a slap on the wrists. It wasn't until Everton got their points deduction that people were up in arms.
Man City should be worried because the longer this takes the worse it will be might be no coming back! Leicester city are reaping the rewards of mismanagement the contracts and wages are insane for a useless situation
A civil issue that includes a large number of claims regarding sponsorship deals etc. is likely to take far longer to investigate and reach conclusion than simpler breaches such as overspending etc. The length of time taken to investigate often has no bearing whatsoever on the outcome.
Simon’s ridiculous idea of suspending the rules is a total nonsense. Rules aren’t perfect but they are better than nothing. Suck it up , punish according to the guidelines and if you really want a proper system bring in a salary cap. The NFL does it and it’s fair.
i wonder how many clubs will have a transfer budget this summer
What about the teames who has stuck to the rules are they getting punished if they scrap FFP
It’s supposed to be a rolling 3 year period, Leicester aren’t even promoted yet.