Glass Onion - A Masterpiece Of Stupidity
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- čas přidán 4. 01. 2023
- Glass Onion, starring Daniel Craig and directed by Rian Johnson, is another self-indulgent whodunnit entry in a mostly terrible filmography. Join me as I break this mess down.
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But Drinker, you forget: R. Johson was always a master of the murder/mystery-genre: He murdered StarWars and he keeps being mysteriously hired for other movies.
truer words have never been said before
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Gneiss.
To be fair though, I think Abrams already killed Star Wars with The Force Awakens, Johnson just put the nail in the coffin.
Star Wars is still very much alive
Andor being incredibly popular
Bad Batch still going
Mandalorian Season 3 on the way
"I watched this movie with my brain off, exclusively looking for things to hate," is an odd perspective for a movie reviewer to take.
seems to be his thing, take it with a grain of salt or a martini with a small onion in it.
The Cinemasins effect on media analysis
Yeah this is a bad review, you can shoot holes in the logic of any film if you want to. Why didn't they send the Terminator back to kill Sarah Connor as a baby, why did they only send 1, etc. But it's cool to hate on Rian Johnson and that's what his audience likes so I get it.
@@83croissant it's sad that hacks like this guy took their gag, and built an entire career on it taking it too serious. Then he spiced it up with being the brainrot that accompanies the alt-right.
Sounds like a you problem
I actually liked the movie because it is exactly what you described, a highlight of the ideocracy of Hollywood and the elites. Its almost satire how the whole murder mystery draws us into these characters and sets Miles up as an eccentric genius with his crew of influencers. And it turns out the whole mystery is solved when we get past that façade and realize they're all just idiots.
It’s not almost satire, it IS satire. Like that’s the whole point
It's certainly not a highlight of "Hollywood and the elites". Hollywood and elites are overwhelmingly woke left and the "bad" characters are caricatures of the types the woke left currently hates.
The billionaire guy is meant to be an Elon Musk figure. Kate Hudson's character is portrayed as decidedly unwoke. Bautista's character is a "men's right activist" like Andrew Tate.
Even the crime is an evil rich white male killing a noble black woman for trying to do the right thing.
Everything this godawful director makes is thinly disguised woke propaganda.
You literally described the plot: a genius in appearance only revealed to be nothing more than a bumbling-credit-stealing-moron.
@@manbo1213 is it difficult to see? I don't understand these people
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But the movie instantly shows you Miles is an idiot? I am an idiot, and I guessed he was the killer when "Helen" stepped off the boat. Shit was obvious.
The most stupid part was where she kept the napkin in front of Miles for him to burn!
It wouldn't have mattered. A scrawl on a napkin with no independent way to show it was contemporaneous with the original idea was not going to be sufficient evidence get an appeal or another trial. The print of the name of the bar at the bottom of it was worthless evidentially.
Even if it could vindicate her, you just happen to find a well-preserved napkin from 30 years ago after the most important trial of your life.
@@christopherpackham732 This just makes the plot more stupid as the whole story line was shaped around that napkin!
The scene where he approaches her with a lighter, and she just stays still and allows him to burn the napkin made me want to throw the TV out the window
I gotta wonder if her character was still drunk in that scene. But I do think it’s funny that Miles couldn’t even have that idea, still had to take it from someone else
This film is like an onion: the more layers you peel off, the more you want to cry.
Do you watch disparu by any chance?
ummmmm aktualy u cry from onions because of dull knife
😂😂😭
Best come back all day!
Most on point comment
“It’s a dangerous thing to confuse speaking without thought for speaking the truth.”
Yes! I absolutely loved that line in the movie. Despite having many flaws, I can't deny that tbe movie also had good instances like these.
@@rewalos5077 he is talking about the Critical Drinker take on the movie, he is not speaking the truth, is just speaking about the movie without thinking
@@LeonardoGPN Yes, the Critical Drinker is so butthurt about The Last Jedi, the pathetic alcoholic manlet still hasn't gotten over hating Rian Johnson HALF A DECADE LATER. lmao
It's clouded his judgment... heck, it's eroded his judgment into a green gooey slush. Ew.
@@LeonardoGPNit’s not so much not speaking the truth; it’s deliberately lying. Or maybe the irony is that he’s the stupid person he brings up in the first seconds of the video.
that line is a poorly written desperate attempt to seem clever and profound that you can find in the notebook of a 3rd grader. another great analogy for the movie. i love all the re-res who came here expecting to see another shill review to validate their opinions only to get demolished. another drinker classic
2:36 U can always argue that people would think a certain way but when the PLOT TELLS YOU that the guy is stupid u cant expect him to make the best decision. Thats character assassination.
That was more or less what Rian Johnson was going for. There were obvious hints:
I saw the Isocasahedron at the heart of the glass onion in first 20 minutes of the film.
I paused the movie and stared at it.
Why do the lines leave an empty hexagon in the center?
Divining the mystery of the glass Onion, I was overcome with emotion. It gave the appearance of deep meaning, but it was painfully stupid. So stupid that I might have cried.
Failing to understand that it was a metaphor for the entire film, I watched it to the end.
I was so close and yet so far at the same time.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 "Jesse, What the fuck are you talking about?"
@@hypothalapotamus5293 Sir, this is Wendys
@@hypothalapotamus5293 worth typing all that?
@@mikelewis4572 Probably more worth it than your comment.
It’s also weird that Andy never mentioned to Miles that she had a twin sister in all that time they spent together.
They did know she had a twin. Birdie even said it.
Miles knows about the sister, that's why he tried to kill her.
I’m just glad to see Daniel Craig looking like he’s actually enjoying the part he’s got.
And to be in more movies, only 5 bond films in damn near 20 years is insane
He made better movies than this, and not Bond.
yeah, I liked him in this and also the other knives out movie.
I guess getting paid $500m will do that to a man
He's just happy to receive a paycheck for starring in this piece of crap movie!
The trick to writing a murder mystery is to slowly drip-feed information to the audience which recontextualizes earlier scenes so that the audience sees them in a different way that makes them realize their assumptions were wrong, not to retroactively change what happened and blatantly lie to the audience so you can smugly say "bet you didn't see that coming".
It's like if someone walked up to you and said, "Hi, my name is Bob", to which you replied, "Hi Bob, nice to meet you", and then they said, "Ha! My name's not Bob! It's Carl! Don't you feel like a fool now?! I'm so clever!"
Conceeded however at this point I'll take bad writing over anything mired in the Feminine Imperative or Diversity/Representation agenda.
This movie is so garbage, might end up on your reviews soon...
Hey Possum!
Exactly! Thank you!
if you were so smart you would have called the police on sasquatch when he tried to rape you,but of course you like critisizing roundheads with mental disabilities
The red hot sauce was in his pocket from before, when he mistook it as a drink and he was told to take a few bottles. The scene were we see Blanc behind Duke is a couple seconds later than the scene with Blanc and Helen behind Duke. Helen sneaks away and steps on a twig, Duke looks around, Blanc hides. The scene with only Blanc starts from Dukes perspective with the twig breaking, and then Blanc behind him (Helen already sneaked away at this point).
What was an actual case of falsety, was the glass incident. We first see Miles giving the glass to duke, then later, when he lies about it, it is framed as a flashback, but it isn't, it is his lie and the "flashback" shows Duke grabbing the wrong glass instead of Miles handing it to him.
Dont bother, the channel is intentionally lying and the low IQ gullible fans of this lying channel won't bother to even check what is real before circlejerking about the video
Also, the flashback thing., Johnson wants to put the viewers in the shoes of the characters, its a proven fact that eye witness testimony (and memories) can change based on suggestions by others
That sauce bittle is a very nice coincidence don't you think
@@mayanksharma3651 yeah but it was established that Miles just has a bunch of random products that celebrities gave him. Like the hard Kombucha or Serena Williams recordings. I it might be coincidental but I don’t think it’s implausible and that’s the big thing.
@@mayanksharma3651a coincidence to set up the hero are okay.
The glass thing is exactly the part that got me interested. I saw what happened the first time, but then the "flashback" had me questioning what I actually saw. I even said to my wife, "What? That's not what happened!"
"Mom, can I have Agatha Christie?"
"We have Agatha Christie at home."
Agatha Christie at home:
In all fairness the chili sauce was given to him by miles in the movie earlier.
Yeah , it’s called setup and payoff! Weird that this reviewer thinks that’s a contrivance instead of just, the language of film
@@83croissant True, it was given but it was just so random that Miles gave Benoit the two thing which would have the most impact, the crystal and the hot sauce. It is almost like in games they highlght the ladder to climb. It is also weird that Benoit was carrying it around. Didnt he change clothes in the middle?
@@83croissant yes but why would anyone carry a big bottle of hot sauce on their person all day? Like who does that? That’s just stupid movie logic because the answer is: no one. No one carries big bottles of hot sauce in their pockets all day.
How do you know I don't have some Tabasco sauce in my backpack RIGHT NOW? Checkmate, Rian haters.
@@wpeniche it wasn’t all day. It was maybe a few hours before Duke died and Helen gets shot. There was no opportunity for him to go to his room and put it away
The most absurd part of this movie is that all of these people wouldn’t have know that Andy has a twin sister.
under rated comment. They all knew her for years. She never said hey do you guys know i have an identical twin
@@corvoattano4777 Kate Hudson does say "Oh, yeah, she mentioned she had a sister" but it's still pretty stupid.
That just buys into them being self centered and selfish to even remember she has a twin sister. They don’t care to remember. They don’t care ab anyone but themselves??
But for most they didn't think she was dead so why would they expect her to be the twin?
You'd think that the tech billionaire who tried to discredit her in court would have found that out. A basic investigation into her would find that out.
I’ve liked both movies so far. I thought the idea of everything being remarkably stupid and a letdown, akin to meeting one of these popularly worshipped “geniuses”, was actually very funny.
Craig’s character’s disgust at discovering how uninventive the crime actually turned out to be was hilarious 😂
True, the ending was hilarious. I liked the movie with his big plot holes and some stupid instances. It is a fun movie too watch but by far no masterpeace
The scene with first only Blan watching, and then Helen AND Blanc watching from behinda tree does make chronological sense. Helen steps on a twig AFTER she ducks away to get closer. Thats when we see Blanc alone in the first time this scene is shown.
I was way more annoyed by how conviently Blanc supposed that the shooter doesn't still stand behind the mirror after Helen gets up again, saved by the bullshit-diary.
If you want a good twist, have Andy's twin sister actually be Andy, pretending to be Andy's sister pretending to be Andy, because he actually screwed up and killed the twin sister.
That would be a twist
That would be fucking stupid
The whole point is that he was stupid and stole everyone else as good ideas so that would be within the main characters ethos and pathos.
That would be a twist. A good twist? No, but a twist nonetheless
to whit: the twin sister twist
The smartest character in the whole movie is the brother who just hangs out, smokes weed, drinks beer, and watches everything burn.
Smart like Kato? 🙄
A true stoic 😂
What a chad.
He's a little lonely, making him the only human in the film that needs a little more attention. He sought it indirectly twice and directly once. He'll be fine.
Derol is a legend 😂
I haven't seen the film, but this reminds me of Father Knox's Ten Rules of Golden Age Detective Fiction:
1. The criminal must be someone mentioned in the early part of the story, but must not be anyone whose thoughts the reader has been allowed to follow.
2. All supernaural or preternatural agencies are ruled out as a matter of course.
3. Not more than one secret room or passage is allowable.
4. No hitherto undiscovered poisons may be used, nor any appliance which will need a long scientific explanation at the end.
5. No Chinaman must figure in the story.
6. No accident must ever help the detective, nor must he ever have an unaccountable intuition which proves to be right.
7. The detective must not himself commit the crime.
8. The detective must not light on any clues which are not instantly produced for the inspection of the reader.
9. The stupid friend of the detective, the Watson, must not conceal any thoughts which pass through his mind; his intelligence must be slightly, but very slightly, below that of the average reader.
10. Twin brothers, and doubles generally, must not appear unless we have been duly prepared for them.
I've always wondered about that fifth rule...
@@sarahb.7175 It was a cliché at the time to have terribly written racist depictions of Chinese characters in contemporary stories, and Knox was trying to wave readers off from such things. When asked about it, he wrote: "I see no reason in the nature of things why a Chinaman should spoil a detective story. But as a matter of fact, if you are turning over the pages of an unknown romance in a bookstore, and come across some mention of the narrow, slit-like eyes of Chin Loo, avoid that story; it is bad."
@@sarahb.7175I think it means you should not produce a character that is an obvious ethnically stereotyped villain
@@sarahb.7175 Dr. No from James Bond comes to mind. When I was a kid I thought it was an eclectic British villain who liked oriental culture. Until I realized they hired a white guy to play a Chinese villain lmao
I love how when Drinker mentions Sherlock he shows the Basil Rathbone rendition.
- Glass Onion's Andi burns down the Mona Lisa out of sheer pettiness and sees it as a victory.
- Rian Johnson burns down Star Wars out of sheer pettiness and sees it as a victory.
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
And the final shot of the movie with her in a “Mona Lisa” pose was the most cringe thing I’ve seen all year.
Revenge for the death of a sister ain't pettiness.
@@XanderVJ dead sister does not justify destroying the most famous painting in the world.
@@BrainWasherAttendent It's like the Mona Lisa being replaced is supposed to . . . mean something. I wonder what.
@@tigerburn81 "Diversity"!
It lives up to its name - you don't need to peel away the layers because you can already see what is underneath it all.
Or smell what’s underneath.
10:38 the first shot of blanc hiding behind the tree he is there alone because Andi has already moved away, stepping on a twig causing it to snap and Duke to turn around, she isn't there, the shot after is moments before the first time we see that scene
I actually enjoyed the first Knives Out, this one I think had a lot of wasted potential.
Have you ever spoken to someone who you know is driving the conversation a particular direction in disregard to the natural flow of conversation? That's what the plot felt like.
well said
One thing I did appreciate about Glass Onion is that it wasn't just a string of references to Knives Out, as a lot of sequels to sleeper hits seem to be.
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Knives Out did well and it was shot well, but beyond that it did nothing for me.
It felt like an Agatha Christie mystery written by someone who didn't understand the mystery part.
I literally guessed the villain the moment I first heard them mentioned and the same was true in Glass Onion.
I kept expecting some great reveal about Marta's crazy Go skills meaning she had been playing 4D chess the whole time with everyone including Blanc, like she was a super villain genius all along - instead the Go reference was completely pointless and signified nothing important.
Agatha Christie mysteries can leave you feeling hollow from the horror of it all at the end.
All Knives Out and Glass Onion made me feel was hollow from how obvious and shallow it all was.
Rian is just playing the MCU style race to the bottom game of script writing quality.
@@mnomadvfxthe whole point of Marta’s go skills was to expose the fact that Ransom knew that she would inherit everything, as Harlan talked about her in his conversation with Ransom about the will.
@@mnomadvfx i will say her go skills were part of that, when ransom says " huh, i always thought i was the only one who could beat him at go" was ransom saying he thought he was the only one who could out smart Harlan who was a crime novelist. so in a way it is what you were expecting.
@@mnomadvfx Marta's Go skills were very significant in both symbolism and foreshadowing in the movie.
Unlike international chess which I assume would be more familiar to you, the win condition of Go depends on the final score count. However, these score counts consist of both the present pieces as well as the vacant points created by the formation. In other words, taking your opponent's pieces will not simply net you a win.
In the movie, it is explained that Marta's Go strategy focused more on creating a beautiful pattern rather than winning. This is actually an entirely valid strategy (albeit drastically simplified). Setting up a formation, or a so-called beautiful pattern, may be more effective in winning a game of Go rather than focusing on taking your opopnent's pieces. Similarly, it is a very obvious metaphor for Marta succeeding by simply being a person of good character (as opposed to Ransom and Marlan's tendency to "outsmart" using their wits).
Now, in my opinion, I do find the notion that a novice building a beautiful pattern could defeat an experienced player rather unrealistic. (It would be similiarly ridiculous to suggest that chess skills are somhow direct indicators of intelligence rather than dedication and accumulated knowledge with a tinge of talent. i.e. person good at chess must be smart and vice versa. But hey, that's Hollywood for ya) But for the themes the movie wishes to convey, the game of Go is beyond sufficient.
I don't find Knives Out to be a particularly good mystery film. And it's not trying to be that. In my opinion, the series uses the mystery genre and format more so as a vehicle to deliver its social critique (which leaves a lot more to be desired, but then again what more could you expect from a two hour film whose purpose is to entertain than to educate) Regardless of personal opinion (which is more of a slightly intrigued meh), I do think that the scripts have a surprising amount of thought and polish. I think that the level of quality is recognizable even if the audience do not resonate with the writers' ideology (and this I do agree to be obvious and shallow)
Your subjective viewing experience is what it is and is entirely valid. However, your complaint regarding the Go metaphor is somewhat... shallow.
Lesson: Before you put characters in a bind or allow significant events to happen, always acknowledge the larger ramifications of said event, and a believable way to get your character out.
I want to know why that napkin is so valuable? It is nothing just words on it, not a plan nor any propriety info on it. It is just a napkin with buzz words like "machine learning".
That's irrelevant.
Business plans have been written on napkins during a moment of inspiration for decades.
In any case, there was an entire trial surrounding the napkin months before the party - the importance of its contents were not in issue, merely who wrote it.
I like how roughly 2/3 of the way through the video it devolves into “what if the world was made of pudding”
Kinda like the 4/4 of the actual film...
@@jimsmith4548 and you have 0/5 chance to understand a film that is not that complex....
This is essentially like asking "well what if bail organa never adopted leia" all of starwars falls apart, it must be awful writing because if we take out a major plot point the story doesn't work anymore. Or "what if Ben hadn't saved Luke from the sand people"
@@ewansadler5406Nope. These are questions regarding the characters doing anything sensible instead of the things they actually do in the story. What you’re describing are inciting incidents that happened as backstory.
@@auroraSLAP but the characters are shown to be less than sensible, so is it not even less sensible to assume they would act in a sensible manor? Is your complaint not like asking "well why didn't the introverted character not want to ask the love interest out I'm an extrovert and I'd happily do it"
As a man I identified with the bride in Kill Bill. Well written female leads can be extremely relatable. No excuses!
So many great female leads to identify with.. LA femme Nikita, Ripley, etc etc
As a teenager (and male) I was a huge fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the Joss Whedon TV series)- and not just because she was hot, I also empathized with and easily saw things from her point of view. Along with numerous other female heroins and leads from various TV shows and movies.
Obviously I didn't have the perspective of a teenage girl, but I don't need to share every single aspect of a character in order to find them relatable.
The idea that men or boys "can't relate to a female lead" is absurd and insulting and sexist.
I've even seen some well-written Rom-coms with good female leads I could identify with. If you write a good character who's not an author self-insert or a complete blank slate, your audience will find commonalities with them, regardless of genders.
But this is the "equity" mindset-people should be forced to like your shitty movie starring a self-centered bitch just to make things even!
I tonya, fury road, Witch, last night in soho and definitely not any movie involved with hunger games actor
@@Sticklemako Were they just talking about action leads in that clip or just women leads in general? Because if it’s the first one, I mean most of those women are made masculine and their identities as women are diminished to make male audiences identify with them more. Take kill bill. The bride only had her child to anchor her to womanhood. Most of these female characters that men identify with are literally written by men.
People seem to be mad about the whole twin thing, because it doesn’t allow you to figure out who the killer is before that reveal. Some people I’ve seen have said that the viewer should be rewarded by keeping a close eye out for clues, while the twins twist couldn’t be sussed out. But the thing is, from the very scene we see a murder happen, we can see it’s miles. He literally makes the killer drink hands it to Duke, lies about it where it shows a doctored scene of what he’s describing, then has multiple scenes where you can see Dukes phone in his pocket. We know it isn’t his because it’s been established that he uses fax.
Don't forget the part where he takes Duke's gun and hides it under his shirt and then puts it on the table before making the drink. You can solve the murder literally in the same scene it happens if you pay attention.
Also, while it's unlikely that you'll pick up on the exact details of what's happening, the movie deliberately shows you "Andy"'s imperfect nails and hair in her dock introduction, which many people did take as an indication that something was off. Why would a certified "rich bitch" have these things be anything less than perfect?
@@TRGOTSVODSI did wonder why she made that comment about rich people at the start in fairness but Christ Sherlock Holmes couldn't figure out the twins twist.
Sorry. It's a force of habit to call out bad writing. We will try to control ourselves
@@kingcreedo6010 We forgive you, it's ok if you make a mistake every now and then. :)
I was entertained by this movie and enjoyed it! My biggest gripe is that it broke a cardinal rule of the whodunnit genre: it withheld critical information from the audience. A proper whodunnit cleverly lays every clue out before the audience so we all share in a “how did I not see that?” when the twist is revealed.
What info does it with hold?
@@zorro-tramposo2652 the biggest was the twin reveal with no hint of setup. There should be breadcrumbs to pick up on, especially on the rewatch.
@@Keverember miles was shocked to see her despite inviting her to the island. Sure it's not direct but it is a setup eitherways
Yea. I thought the twist of having twins was pretty good. Critical's point aren't too critical he has been drinking too much,.
The worst part about this film is how it withholds key information and clues from the viewer that the characters already know. What made Knives Out, and basically any well written mystery film, good was because the viewer and the detective were both given the same information simultaneously and had to figure it out together as the story unfolded. Then, depending on whether the viewer picked up on the details would determine whether they could solve the case or not. However in this movie, key information is just blatantly tampered with or withheld from the viewer but not the detective, and so when the reveals and twists do occur, the viewer is just left feeling completely cheated and disconnected from the mystery. As soon as I saw that shot of Blanc and the twin peeping on Batista, which only showed Blanc the first time, I lost all hope that this was a well written mystery film.
So you were mad you were left in the dark…in a murder mystery film? The seen with the Duke makes sense if you listen to the audio, Andi isn’t magically there she moves hence the twig snap. We assume the twig snap is Blanc but it is Helen. All the hints were there in the first half of you paid attention, Andis hair was clearly just died, she drops her own rich bitch accent in her rant, grips the underside of the yacht, all of which indicate that somethings either off with Andi or someone is impersonating her
if you think Knives Out is a good mystery movie then you need help
6:36 ‘Wouldn’t Helen’s presence here with the world’s most famous detective be a very obvious red flag he was already compromised?’ EXACTLY. No one would be so dumb they’d look past that one
WHY WOULD AHYONE SUSPECT ITS HELEN?!
Helen hadn’t even met them before. They prolly didn’t know she was a twin let alone as willing to go thru all that trouble to investigate them!
@@iansmart4158 Helen is short hand the video uses for Helen or Andi. Whoever Miles thinks she is, the unexpected arrivals of both her and Blanc should be a giant red flag, especially to a man who’d attempted murder just days before. He should be able to suss the possibility they’re working together
That was the whole point. For the killer to be fucused on Blanc instead of Hellen.
People with massive brain damage keep thinking this is a real and sane situation yes. Normal people like us keep wondering why Rian Johnson keeps getting jobs in the film industry.
@@PredatorH2O That "point" seems more like a complete oversight rather than an actual reason.
That whole scene where Ed Norton is discussing fracture theory, about how people hate you for trying something different, I was thinking 'This is Rian justifying what he did to the Last Jedi'
Ironically Blanc himself said it was stupid in the end, which leads me to realise that the self-awareness is seriously lacking in this one
The whole movie is set up to mock Ed Norton's ideas and portray him as an idiot. But at the end, when Blanc "disrupts" the legal system he's a part of by letting Janelle Monae destroy Norton's house, he essentially adapts Norton's policies. That's not "irony" or "poetic justice," that's just the movie going back on its entire message for a moment of smug self-satisfaction.
What an idiot.
you do realize norton’s character is the bad guy right? his notion of just pissing everyone else off is meant to be hatable. he’s not justifying anything.
Nah. It's supposed to be mocking Elon Musk. Johnson just lacks the self-awareness to realize that he's guilty of the same sort of "victim of success" over confidence and excuse making.
This isn’t actually lacking in self awareness. This could just as much be a tacit admission that he was a smart arse when it came to the last Jedi. The reason knives out was successful was because he subverted expectations without betraying the audience.
With regards to the ending, you don’t break something for the sake of breaking something, you reveal something to be broken. By revealing Klear to be dangerous, she was able to avenge her sister, and in turn get justice for her sister. You’re allowed think yourself too smart to enjoy these movies but you’re missing out on some fun by not letting yourself get swept up along with it.
@@chadmwilliams89 I don't think it is specifically mocking Musk. The movie was mostly shot when Musk was still the liberals darling. Nortons character also looks like a Steve Jobs-Imitation in the scene where the black lady refuses to go anlong with his hydro plans. The character strikes me as someone who wants to be Jobs or Musk, but simply isn't. The movie depicts him as someone who gets rich implementing other peoples ideas. Thats called managing and done right its nothing to be laughed about - but its not a what he wants to be seen.
The beginning was really painful to watch, then it got better, then it got good, and then it stumbled and fell of the racing track.
Well put
imo the beginning was painful to watch, then it got boring, then it got bad at the halfway point and I dropped it there.
You've triggered the Critical Drunkard stans
I genuinely enjoyed Knives out. The over the top caricatures of the character archetypes were played by fantastic actors talented enough to suspend my disbelief and allow me to enjoy myself. It paired well with the coincidental almost farcical events of the film. It was also visually set in a really cool house that, like the characters, was over the top and a caricature of a murder mystery mansion. It helped that the main character Marta is Gorgeous. Taken together, I found it a relaxing and enjoyable movie with enough humor to balance out the seriousness of the murder and the silliness of the series of events. It was like the game of clue, set within an RPG like dungeons and dragons. Each character had a very specific role they embodied and contributed accordingly, but the grand design and end game was mapped out and inevitable before the game even started. Some woke innuendos laced in the movie aside, I have no complaints for what it was and genuinely enjoyed the movie.
However, glass onion was a godawful dumpster fire and I found it difficult to even finish. It took a similar formula and butchered it imo. It was just too “extra” on all of the above ingredients, which ironically I feel made the first movie actually work. It didn’t help that glass onion didnt choose to use a dash of wokeness in its recipe, it went balls to the wall, which was so blatant it ruined any suspicion of disbelief I could muster. Rian ruined Star Wars, and now ironically imo ruined a potentially decent murder mystery series of his own making.
Makes me wonder if Rian Johnson even wrote the screenplay for knives out. I almost think someone ghost wrote it for him and in this sequel Rian just copied the ghost writers formula and failed miserably at it cause he has no talent besides being a decent director behind the camera.
I have a love hate relationship with Rian Johnson's work. It seems that literally half of his projects are amazing, and the other half are all extremely flawed (but I usually get some enjoyment out of). I find it fascinating how a director can be so shit so much of the time, yet I find myself still excited for new projects by him. Rian Johnson is the Russian Roulette of modern Hollywood. This is also why I personally feel that Knives Out 3 is going to be good.
also, "woke innuendos" is an oxymoron. For something to be woke, it has to beat you over the head with it's progressive messaging. By the definition I am using, something cannot be both subtle with it's themes, and also woke.
@@GoallpeashootersI agree, even Looper (besides Brick which I haven’t seen yet) is acclaimed as his best work, and despite on paper and in presentation the film having elements I love, the ending, it’s plot holes and the direction of the story didn’t appeal to me. Even scientifically and conceptually the guy is very adamant and rejects advice from test screenings (a prominent critic I follow on letterboxd and even Shane Carruth who directed Primer made alterations/suggestions to the script which Johnson largely ignored) which is fine if it’s a studio but if it’s constructive and in good faith it’s worth considering.
I agree with your comments on “wokeness” here too, as a indecisive centrist who leans left over certain issues, I found that the politics of the Knives Out 1 resonated with me. Only Glass Onion I would describe as “woke” but if you accept the satirical characterization and the exaggerated nonsensical nature of the sequel I guess it could be partially interpreted as critical or signifying the ridiculousness of the “woke” elements while criticizing the products of the affluent echelons of capitalist society. That said I could ignore all of this because it was still fun, but even visually it was a downgrade, with little artistic merit and a made-for-streaming look to it like I’ve not seen from any of his other films.
A while back I tried to write a murder mystery based on the idea I had. I've been going back and forth between whodunit and howdhecatchem (I'm an average Columbo fan, what can I say?) but about halfway through I realized how complicated the task really is. You have to lead the reader into all sorts of red herrings that all make sense in the moment, but have a proper plot twist ready near the end. And you still have to leave breadcrumbs leading up to the reveal, to make sure the reader doesn't feel like his expectations were [subverted] for the sake of being [subverted]. I wasn't happy with the result and I don't think I ever will be I trashed the project. But when I see Rian Johnson (how's that Star Wars Trilogy going, Rian?) at work, I'm thinking maybe I could become the next motherhumping Arthur Conan Doyle.
I once watched an anime called In/Spectre, where the entire plot was about solving mysteries incorrectly. Basically, they got the clues and rearranged them to fit a completely different narrative, that made just as much sense as the actual solution. It was a very interesting take on the mystery formula that made me realize that the solution to a mystery is whatever the heck you want it to be, provided you can explain it.
It's just a shame that the twelve episodes the season had should've been condensed into four or five. They repeated themselves so much!
Columbo still holds up really really well.
I think Poirot does this very well. Probably my favorite Bri'ish production
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@@rationalityfirst Awesome! I didn't know, thanks for telling me.
To be honest, I expected the island slacker guy to be the one behind the whole thing. Especially since he is the one character the movie explicitly tells the viewer not to worry about. Really sucks that he was just a red herring.
Me too, I thought it was so dumb to have introduced him so obviously in the beginning, only to have him reappear twice where he’s just smoking weed
I thought that as well. in the end he was unnecessary set dressing. plot decoy
You really give the movie too much credit. It was obvious from the start that the slacker guy was a cheap gag and the bad guy is the rich asshole played by Edward Norton. You don't hire a big name celebrity to play a side role in a Hollywood blockbuster. Especially one that is supposedly difficult to work with.
wouldn't it be kinda stupid to make the killer someone we only see in like 1% of the movie, who also happens to be comic relief, and would make a little less sense considering that there was no motive for him to do so?
That was my biggest disappointment. A great character, totally wasted.
I agree there are many conveniences. Conveniences should be supported by some situational convention, other than 'required to make plot work'. Essentially, stories like this require better minds than what Johnson has to offer. The characters seem to be stereotypical memes, so it's hard to care about them. Craig does as well as anyone can with Blanc. I think a lot of people will enjoy this movie if they don't pick it apart too much.
I LOVE Knives Out, and I liked Glass Onion, but I agree that pride and ego negatively impacted the second movie's quality. After several watches, there are details that Johnson definitely would have improved for the first movie that just weren't here. When Blanc and Helen arrive on the island, everyone moves on without them, so there's no reason to introduce themselves to each other (though the shoelace comment by Helen still works). In the scene where Helen throws the listening device in the bag, we can see that Birdie puts the bag down the wrong way when she first takes a seat. I also think it would have been smarter if Duke's gun fired blanks. Firstly, it makes Miles seem like a bigger idiot because he assumes that Duke is willing to fire a loaded gun into the sky with people around. Second, it negates the need for Helen to be saved by the notebook in her pocket. And some blanks can still shatter glass when the gun is fired. I get the point of adding elements that don't end up being necessary for solving the case, but it seems like they didn't spend enough time polishing what did matter. Good movie, could have easily been much better.
I have a feeling that you only like these terrible movies because you've only watched them once or twice. I have no idea how anyone with any sort of taste at all could enjoy these movies through multiple watchings because all of the dumb shit starts to get in the way of these movies' superficial veneer of competence. Maybe you just have an incredibly low threshold for what's good, and if that's indeed the case, then your opinion doesn't matter because your taste in movies is shit.
okay sorry but duke 10000000% is stupid enough to put a loaded gun near his trunk
also yes the introduction felt weird
they could have fixed that if in the flashbacks she just said something else like "is this right?"
Everyone wouldve been mad if we found out that the hole in the mirror was left by a blank, including me. And yeah, the flashback with the twin twist was the point where the energy dropped a lot.
Would a blank have enough power to knock down an adult? Genuine question, I have no idea.
I seriously question the intelligence and state of mind of people who think this was somehow a good movie.
“No identical twins without sufficient preparation” is literally one of the Rules of FairPlay Whodunnits that were written almost 100 years ago, but sure. In an age of social media and people blabbing their secrets all over the web, we can believe no one knew this famous, wealthy woman had an identical twin.
They all knew. The blonde says so at the end.
@@2Siders we didn't
The Prestige handled this about as cleverly as you can. Over and over it tells you it's a double but you don't believe it because HJ doesn't believe it and you want it to be more complex. But all the proof is cleverly placed in front of you. Halfway through GO the movie is like "Oh by the way there are twins".
I see Elon musk and watch videos discussing his successes and. Introversion.
Because if this comment I searched whether he had siblings and found out he had 2 ( a sister and brother).
Never knew that before just now
Completely reasonable to not know some famous person has siblings. Especially when they aren’t really in each other’s lives at all which is the case in GO.
@@phenom568 to be fair the prestige didn't have an identical twin. It was a clone. But yeah it also had a ton of setup and clues throughout the movie
Showing most of the clues in a flashback instead of experiencing them during the story certainly was one of the plots of all time
The thing that didn’t happen?
well, it worked greatly
Idk man, it works for me in these 2 movies
It's not a flashback in the traditional sense, it's a second act that mirrors the first, shows all the SAME clues but with further context, and I think it was brilliantly executed.
@@mirkecWii if you wanna see good usage of a flashback you should watch Pootie Tang.
As soon as they brilliantly opened that magic box, I knew that this was a popcorn rollercoaster show and not detective stuff.
I liked this movie for a few reasons:
1. The fun of the ride despite lack of believability with these goofy characters and absurd plot
2. The aesthetic of the film as a neo noir whodunnit
3. Daniel Craig having fun
4. The idea that this opens the doors for good mid-budget, non-superhero films that could be made and be successful. Let's bring back 90s think pieces, mysteries, unconventional action movies, and group character dramas.
The ridiculous part was when Helen instead of keeping the evidence she found safe to submit in the court goes on to reveal the evidence among a bunch of ppl who are against her and can easily destroy the piece of evidence - that too on an island owned by the guy she’s confronting. And she’s basically being so carless when she knows the odds are against her on a private island where she and her evidence can easily go missing, when you already know Miles killed Andy. That whole sequence feels so surreal and stupid.
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Yup. And the physicality of the thing igniting and falling out of her hands and immediately burning to a crisp... what? That's ... not how fire works. Lol.
It’s a movie you twits 😂 🤦♂️
@@jacksonscott690 Well then its not a great Mystery movie. Doesn’t do justice to the genre it tries to masquerade.
@@revanth84 Agreed, I really don’t like Rian Johnson. I thought the first guys reply was hilarious though.
Gotta admit, I turned my brain off on this one and just watched the pretty pictures roll by without asking any of Drinker's obvious questions. Thank you sir for unveiling the forest behind all those trees.
I did the same and actually enjoyed what seemed to me as a bunch of caricatures of pseudo successful people.
honestly, i knew what this movie would be when i saw the trailer, and it's all i really wanted it to be. All i cared was seing edward norton, and Daniel Craig. The rest was bonus and i was lost on the visuals. that's it. not all movies need to be perfect or big, intriguing, make me think or smth like that. sometimes i just want something to laugh at or enjoy it visualy.
Proving his.point people are dumb.
This is a baller take, very good.
Even though I'm normally 99% in agreement with you Mr Drinker on most things, with this I'm surprised you didn't complain about the one thing in the movie that anoyed me: "The Message!"
Having just finished reading an excellent biography of Steve Jobs, it was clear that Miles Bon was a deliberate amalgam of Jobs, Musk, Zuckerberg etc. And even though Jobs was by no means a saint, by implication the message of the film is that all these geniuses, who basically changed the world and gave us personal computers, smart phones, social media, and now planet-saving (kind of) electric cars, are/were all evil, greedy fakes... with 'fakes' being the main accusation. Ah, no Mr Rian, these guys actually weren't fakes...they really did give us those things.
What's more, the wealth that they earned - through their own inventiveness and blood, sweat and tears - and the things they possess, apparently should be destroyed, because 'if we can't have it then they can't either' attitude.
At that whole long, lingering scene of her one by one breaking those crystal statues while looking smuggly at Miles, I thought: "Uh oh, here's 'The Message' that rich people don't deserve to be rich, so we'll take it from them, or destroy it". Straight out of Marx's play book.
And to cap it all off, she deliberately destroys the Mona Lisa!!! For God's sake why?? She destroys one of western (there you go) civilization's most valued treasures to...settle a personal vandeta? Really? And she's made out to be the hero because of that? Really? And everyone's fine with that? I would've thought the noble thing to do would be to rescue it from the fire to return it to the French people, hence to the world.
It smacks of the latest action by environmentalists of defacing great works of art in museums, as if that somehow those paintings are responsible for climate change.
But up until that ending, I was happily enjoying the film! Yes I was subconsciouly aware of many of the faults you point out, but I just put that down to the usual 'suspension of belief' we all employ with these fun types of flicks....but yeah, up to a point.
Oh well, that's my rant...
Well, for me Miles was rather a parody of Elon Musk rather than Steve Jobs
Because Musk unlikely to Steve, is an idiot, a man child in adult body who has a lot of money
He never invented anything, even PayPal people claim he created, he bought it out and kicked out it's creators
And this type of man is Miles. A man child with no real plans, who is in reality a charismatic idiot
One of the rules for all detectives: "Don't make twins your plot twist".
I think The Prestige did it pretty well... Not a murder mystery exactly, but similar concept.
@@vezonf3nrak Yeah, The Prestige was brilliant.
@@vezonf3nrak Prestige set up everything perfectly. If you rewatch it you can pick up all the small hints.
What about Ace Attorney?
Have to agree...the prestige is pretty much to only one..
Genuinely burst out laughing at the start of that atrocious flashback with the “my twin sister just died”
And?
@Dragonage2ftw: You’re a dork.
@complete video here this is a video about making pizza
I found it impossible to care about the mystery. Instead of ‘who did the murder’ the film begins ponderously asking ‘what will the mystery be, do you think?’ for about half an hour.
Then the great twist ends up being….there is no twist! The murderer is the one who clearly did it all along. Genius. Satisfying. I’m sure glad I spent a few hours of my life on that bold subversion of my expectations.
Rian Johnson was the disruptor the whole time
5:58 "On the surface it seems like this complex, multi-layered, mystery plot that gives up a little more information as each layer is unraveled, but the truth is that it's nothing but the flashy veneer of intelligence with nothing lying beneath."
Lol, is this satire? You do know the name of the movie right?
They explained that Andi let Miles in because she was smarter/he was dumb so she thought she could handle him. Underestimated him
So smart she got herself killed. Then she wasn't very smart was she?
@@slade52 Doesn't change that she was written as the founder and smartest of the group does it? And i guess the point was that smart people can make mistakes? And when youre murdered that isnt getting yourself killed is it? its being murdered...Think a little
@@jasonkanyike3245 Andi was dumb, the whole movie was dumb.
@@moonriver7439 maybe YOU thought the character was dumb, fine. But can't deny that according to the movie she was the "smart" one. Regardless to what anybody thinks. It's like you're saying "rick Sanchez is dumb!" Despite the story portraying him as a genius. Makes no sense
@@jasonkanyike3245 a smart person would make an unrealistically dumb person the cofounder of their company? Okay. You’re one of those people that takes a movie at face value without questioning it. Which is a big reason why movies are so bad now. Also, Rick and Morty sucks.
This movie was legit entertaining, and absolutely a tribute to stupidity and vanity. Recommended.
Absolutely. I honestly had a good laugh and the twist was pretty good
Most people love seeing a send up of the vain and pompous elite.
This movie is just poor...The inflammatory racial politics--isn't that (laughably) called "stochastic terrorism" by hysterics now?--which fairly 100% informed the movie's casting, is icing on the mudcake.
So pirate it?
@Icy Crusader it is on Netflix. If you don't have that yes.
Same. Just a fun ride, turn ur brain off. I'm no fan of Rian Johnson but, these movies are alright
This is a murder mystery where the actual murder doesn't happen until the last quarter of the movie, and even then it happens off-screen and the victim is a character we were never introduced to. The whole point of murder mysteries is giving the audience all the information they need to figure out who the killer is (the victim, all the suspects, alibis and motivations), but in this movie they withhold critical information until the last act. That's not clever writing, that's just a cheap M. Night Shyamalan -style plot twist.
That’s patently false Dave Barista’s character dies before the halfway mark
@@skibot9974 My bad. That character was such a cartoonishly shallow stereotype that I honestly forgot that he even dies.
@@Angel_Investor_Music that tells me you either weren’t paying attention or went into the film wanting to hate it to if you could forget the murder mystery had a murder in it. My issue isn’t that you didn’t like the film it’s the idea you could forget something so plot cruical
@@skibot9974 Not gonna lie, I was pretty checked out by that point. Call me a harsh critic, but I tend to prefer movies where I actually get invested in the characters. In Glass Onion Blanc is the only remotely entertaining character. Everyone else acts like a douche, so it was impossible to care what happens to them.
@@skibot9974 tbf fair he was such a bland character I could understand if someone forgot
Did anyone explain why the police couldn't just land a boat on the sandy beach? Or have a complete lack of helicopters? They didn't even bother creating a thick fog, or a storm to isolate the island.
It was explained at almost the beginning of movie, where guy says that harbor is "pieceshit"
Piece of shit.
Later science guy said that tide is too high to approach safely with boat
And I didn't saw any helicopter landing pads on the island, so here's that
It was also very lucky that the 6 best ex-friends of Andy didn’t know she had a sister…
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Birdie literally said that Andi told her she had a sister
They knew about her sister so whoever among them killed andi would act weird in the beginning and would settle down once they realise she might be the sister or andi survived but in the end they didn't know andi was dead so they wouldn't think about her sister. Only miles acted a lil weird upon seeing her but settled down quickly, the movie doesn't tell if he concluded that andi survived somehow or it's his sister.
They did know. What are you talking about? They didn't know Andi was dead. That was like, a huge aspect to the movie. It's why Dave Baptista's character was killed--because he found out Andi was dead and he knew he did it!
@@kirikakirikakirika well, if you kill someone and you know about the sister, it is a very obvious trap if a look-alike turns up at the party - so they had to rely on the assumption that the killer has no idea about the twin sister, or else it is pretty obvious what is happening and the killer will poke the suspect-fake Andy with questions to test if she is the real one
"Why did Blanc have a convenient bottle of hot sauce to use as fake blood?" Somebody doesn't have an eye for detail!
He was so blinded by his hatred towards Rian Johnson (for wokeness), he left his brain outside the door when he entered the recording room.
Which led to him cluelessly flaunting his mental ret*rdation and opening the review by insulting literally everyone who's got a bigger brain and sounder moral compass than himself.
@@kaned3570 I think Captain Wong is saying that Mr Hypocritical Sphincter doesn't have an eye for detail.
Hot sauce is part of the EDC.
I mean damn, Miles just outright says "Take a few bottles" and we can see Benoit Blanc pocket it, plain as day
Why the fuck would he just carry around a bottle of hot sauce at all fucking times.
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I couldn't make it through 5 minutes before i turned it off in disgust. I loved knives out and feel profoundly cheated by the horrible people in the opening scenes. Did the writer just phone it in while on LSD?
This movie was the first time I'd seen anything resembling emotion out of Daniel Craig that isn't the constant sinking into further and further depression -Looking at you, James Bond- and seeming to maybe enjoy a role.
He played a depressed James Bond.
Glad for him, still, shit movie.
I believe ultimately Daniel did not want to play Bond anymore. He hinted/stated in interviews He was tired of playing Bond so, just "phoned it in" is the impression I got.
@Will_Jordan0 it’s hilarious how there’s 1000+ comments from you spamming links on this channel and being reported for months because you’re impersonal criricialdrinker yet CZcams still refuses to ban you.
That's crazy because you just don't know Daniel Craig as an actor. This dude is a natural comedic actor and a wild actor as well. You need to catch up on some of his other movies. You can try "The road to perdition with Tom Hanks". Or catch him when he was on Saturday night live he let it all hang out then because he is very comedic.
The reason people didn't like him as James Bond at first was because of his past acting and his hair color.
He wasn't somebody that normally plays those kinds of people.
The biggest irony is that there is a perfect metaphor for the movie within the movie itself. The puzzle box, a pretty object full of simple and meaningless puzzles meant to make the creator look smart, but actually it just represents the creators desperate desire to appear smart, and he payed someone else to make it for him anyway. Rian Johnson thinks he's Benoit Blanc, but he's actually Miles.
The worst thing about both movies is how he mercilessly criticizes upper class culture while literally being a man who exclusively exists in upper class culture. It's like that meme of Steve Buscemi as a highschooler, except it's Rian Johnson going "How do you do fellow poor people? I hate the rich too, see how hip I am by criticizing them?" and all his criticisms are as vapid and one dimensional as possible because he has zero self awareness, and any real 3 dimensional criticism would inevitably lead him to realizing how he's no different than his most vapid characters.
Absolutely fantastic comment. I didn’t even realize the similarity between the two until now.
Same as "Tax the Rich" ... dress
"The biggest irony is that there is a perfect metaphor for the movie within the movie itself. The puzzle box... Rian Johnson thinks he's Benoit Blanc, but he's actually Miles. " ... This is called psychological projection, an extremely common occurrence with highly flawed individuals. Subconsciously, deep down inside, Johnson knows he's a hack. He knows he is Miles. He is attempting to project those flaws onto someone else (a character, in this case) as a self defense mechanism to avoid having to acknowledge those traits within himself.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rian Johnson was sitting around listening to Beatles songs, listened to "Glass Onion" and thought "holy shit, that's the next Knives Out, layer a lot of clues together that end up not meaning anything because the killer is really just dumb, he just seems smart, like Elon Musk!"
The entire movie itself is just one big glass onion, seemingly complex at first glance but increasingly mundane and obvious the longer and closer you look.
I have to admit IF RJ had actually done this on purpose it would be an impressive subversion, unfortunately his recent works show he lacks the intelligence to have done this on purpose just making the entire thing an epic unintentional self-troll. He just lacks the self-awareness to even notice it happening right in front of him...
Drinker I’m a huge fan! Top 10 favorite CZcamsrs! So it would be dishonest of me not to call you out on this review…
There are points you make or questions you ask that are 100% answered by the movie directly or by using critical thinking with the movies “world lore”. Example: you ask “why didn’t Miles kick out Benoit the second he arrived on the island”? Miles had a conversation with Benoit the second he arrived regarding the mix up with the invitation (I believe that’s what he says), then allows him to stay as to not seem suspicious… plus Miles is portrayed to be an idiot, so him not knowing the best decision to make here is understandable.
“Why doesn’t Miles try to kill Andi immediately”? He actually does try to kill Andi later that day, when it’s dark and won’t be as obviously as trying to get rid of her right after she arrived on the island, surrounded by the other guests…
With respect I think you let your dislike for Rian Johnson cloud your review. I also dislike Rian Johnson for his hand in destroying starwars but I also do my best to remain unbiased and be fair, even to individuals I don’t necessarily like or respect.
If you do see this comment, and the many others like it, I hope you take it as constructive criticism, learn from it, and continue to make excellent, fair, unbiased reviews! Recall with “Prey” you didn’t think it would be good, but you were presently surprised upon seeing the movie because you went in with a more opened mind!
Dude, making your movie so that it only happens because one character is a fucking moron is a shocking condemnation of the film
Why does Hollywood think audiences want to be watching a movie about *rich* people during a particularly hard recession where absolutely everyone who isn't rich is *struggling* ?????
They don’t paint them as good people.. this is such a stupid argument
@@firstlast9846leave it to Critical Drinker fans to make you wonder how stupid people get a platform
I just couldn't after the scene where Helen and Blanc decide that if someone killed Andi then they must have taken the envelope back to Miles as proof or a trophy to prove their loyalty to him. That reasoning doesn't hold up at all when it turns out Miles was the killer. Blanc also states that the killer would have stashed the envelope in their room because it was too large to keep on one's person. He, the world's greatest detective, never even considers that they could have destroyed the evidence as you said, or they they could have taken the napkin (which is very easy to conceal in a pocket) out of the envelope. If the killer wasn't Miles then there is little chance it would even be in their room because everyone had an adequate chance to pass the envelope off to Miles before Andi searched the rooms. Finally, Blanc and Helen hear the conversation between Miles and the gold bikini girl 10-15 meters away through solid glass. Movie was just dumb
Oh hush!
You’re currently excited for the next product.
“Hate watching”, doesn’t exist. It is ppl who cannot help but spend the money on more junk.
Its the closest thing to a well written film we'll get from Hollywood these days, a facade of complex and quality writing. And for a film all about the facade of complexity hiding the obvious truth of idiocy, its quite ironic.
Yup movie is just dumb. I tapped out the moment Dave Butista died and Miles said he grabbed the wrong drink then it shows the fake flashback. I legit said that didn’t happen, he handed him the drink, rewound to the scene and saw yup he handed Dave the poisoned drink. Immediately ruined the entire movie
Yeah I kind of like the goofy tone of the movie, until it got in the way of the mystery.They just kept ridiculous over and over. It could've been like the board game clue but modern. But they fkd it up.
Blanc's reasoning why Miles couldn't be the killer was also extremely stupid. None of what he said made sense.
Why wouldn't miles kill her shortly after a court case he won? He would seemingly have no motive and Andi had just lost half of a billion dollar company. What better time to make it look like she killed herself?
The worst thing about this movie is the idea that that napkin actually contains a business plan.
🤣🤣🤣
Quick flow diagram with a few words and BINGO! Billion pound idea! No technical data, no radical formula, no genius code, just a flow diagram! What am I doing wasting time writing this...I should be writing a flow diagram.
@@enigma7791 😂😂😂
@@enigma7791 reacting to your comment seems like a waste of time now
It's not a buisness plan but it is proof that the idea that created the buisness was her idea.
First of you took Jennifer Lawrence out of context, she was quoting a producer from a while back and she was not saying her opinion.
1. He interrogates him once he gets there, but he can't turn him away and act extremely stand off ish considering that would look suspicious and he's not the smartest
2. They literally poked fun at the fact he didn't burn the letter..... There's a difference between having stupid things in once film Vs having jokes and irony in once film
3. What's wrong with them playing a type? That's what they do in the film "The Menu" they all play a certain type as a fun way of telling you who they are and a bit of social commentary
4. None of them look happy after the explosion they literally all sit down looking beaten down and sad
5. They didn't know she was going to blow the place up until it was too late
6. Miles did try to check if she was dead
7. Pickpocketing is a thing..... Often when your good at pick pocketing people will not notice you doing it.....
8. A bullet being stopped by a cigarete case or book with metal in it, isn't unheard of in murder mysteries and has literally happened in real life to people
9. The chilli sauce scene was setup in the film if you payed attention you would've noticed.
10. He didn't know she had the notepad in her inside jacket pocket.
11. What makes you think he is a amateur? Also there are famous detectives
I couldn't mention everything, but I do believe I got most of it.....
You have some good criticisms, but you have to stop giving people false information and taking things out of context and have some civil way of not liking a film and not getting so personal about it.
0:26 why did you cut it so that is the start? Whenever people use this quote it's cut off from the context (like many complain, often rightly so, that the "other side" does to them) that they're saying that they have *heard* that false opinion considered a "fact" of Hollywood, and they don't agree.
That is why it always states with a rephrasing of that statement, and then the actress going "yes, yeah-" before they continue to explain that *yes*, that is what they had been *told*, but not what they believe.
Because this my friend is called manipulation. He wants his viewers to think that "look! Famous female actress believes that boys can't identify with women! WOKE!!!!"
This is basically this whole video in a nutshell. Manipulate what you want so it will fit your narration
The secret to its success is editing and pacing. You don't get time to think, nor shown enough, and then the next thing to move the plot along is filing your eyes and ears.
I think you nailed. You can caught in the riptide before you have time to think. But the ending got so dumb that I don't think any editing could hide it unless you were unwilling.
@@MrGabox345 That makes zero sense.
For God's sake don't you recognize a parody when you see one?🤣
I mean, you are right when you say that editing and pacing are the secret, but this movie does not really move at a breakneck pace and is in fact super fair when it comes to editing. You can literally spot the murderer doing things. Even in small scenes like the gunshot, there are no cuts for almost 20 seconds when the killer aims just so a dialogue you can't hear at that moment can happen, and is shown later. Yet people call it lazy or stupid.
"Not getting time to think because the movie moves along" is practically the definition of Fridge Logic.
just throw so much at you at such a pace that you don't even have time to realize how shitty and poorly written it all is lmao
just a blitzkrieg of bullshit lmao
It’s almost like it was written by the same guy who wrote a scene in which a defensible position was said to have only a single way in or out. Then, in the very next scene had about 15 doors open in the side of said defensible position. 🤔 only to later find out that there was yet another ‘secret’ way out. Such brilliant writing.
@complete video here Troll bait.
I must have blocked this in my memory, was it TLJ?
@@Wahba. yea. It was the place where Luke made his last stand. If you can call it that.
Or a guy who put a character literally allergic to lying in a mystery film.
Or bases a childish internet troll-type character on people who criticised his undeniably terrible movie, even though most of the criticism of said movie was legitimate criticism that he vilified as “toxic fans, trolls and man-babies”.
To those that actually enjoyed this film... Yes, there is fun little aura to this film that brings about a wholesome smile and a whiff of intrigue, and that's fine...
But drinker does have some good points. The age old gag of using an identical sibling is so overplayed that I sighed out loud and loosened my posture once it came to fruition, despite previously enjoying the ride so far. He's also right about the coincidental plot points, they were lazy and unstable.
I could go on but the experience of the individual that witnesses this film is quite solidly based on their level of agreeableness and openness. More so than in other 'murder mysteries', this film doesn't hold up under the weakest of microscopes, which is frustrating to the critical mind and yet is still a joy ride for the passive onlooker.
Oh my god, you write like a 12th grade student trying too hard to get A in English class.
You are no where near as intelligent as you would like to believe, Mr. Obviously-More-Brawn-than-Brain, and the stench of your pretention is so thick it can stuff up people's noses. "Loosen my posture" lmao, who the f*** taught you to speak like that. lol
The identical twins plot device is unoriginal but its use doesn't automatically make the film bad.
You seem to not even realize the fact that the Hypocritical Sphincter has literally told lies in this review about the movie.
Please go watch Pillar of Garbage's response to this horrid video.
Otherwise you'd be missing out on a valuable opportunity of self-improvement.
"Weakest of microscopes"? lol
I'd suggest using "magnifying glass" in this metaphor, but sure, you do you.
I'll say that what I liked about it was how over the top it was. The first 35-45 minute I thought it was stupid, slow, and boring. Then after the first person was killed I knew something was off, because I definitely saw what happened and to me it looked like someone tried to kill the main guy. It was from there that I was intrigued. If you're paying attention, you notice the slight of hand, then in the flashback, the memory looks different from what you actually saw. From there I found it intriguing, but still ridiculous.
The ending kills the movie though for all the reasons the Drinker points out. How do you explode the island...and everyone survives..?
For all it's faults, at least it gave us the "It's dumb!" line. I'm sure it'll make the occasional appearance in Drinker's future videos.
Also: "I expected complexity. I expected Intelligence...".
It actually doesn't have many faults at all. Drinker is a liar, has no attention to detail, and fooled you.
@@Mogul20478 Looks like Drinker struck a nerve there, huh?
@@dontshootmex5588 Shitty "journalists" that have to lie to make a point and ignore critical details should "strike a nerve". It's incompetent and lazy. If that's your thing, then more power to you.
@@dontshootmex5588 czcams.com/video/B-5uSY1_b80/video.html It’s more like the drinker struck himself
Not to mention that Blanc solves his host's mystery right away when they are at dinner. Sounds genius but it's dumb since he is there with Helen for his own reasons. Had everybody been busy trying to solve the mystery over the weekend, they would both have had much more time and opportunity to follow their own ends. Oh well.
Oh my god you're right!! It was the only part i liked, but you're right withholdin that until the 50 minute explanation of the whole movie would have kept the tension, made Blanc look smarter, and maybe flesh out the characters, but they chose the dumb
I mean, one of the key plot points, was the news of Andi's death being reported. The news of which, could only be withheld from the media for a week, as said in the flashback. They had to solve it before the news was public, or else the rest would have figured out. Details matter.
He literally says in the movie he did it to protect the billionaire guy, which itself is a obfuscation to get closer to him and learn more about the actual mystery. You would know this if you actually watched the film. Rightoids really don't have any media literacy skills
Th movie SPRINGS the reveal on the audience that Bron is the killer. You can hear Rian chuckling with pride... He's so clever!
Motherfucker, if YOU killed ANDI and she SHOWS UP on your island WITH A FAMOUS DETECTIVE, what the FUCK took you so long to object to them being there that you shoot at them? Why not have them both escorted off the island? Why not kill Andi and try to bury her corpse and then THAT turns into the mystery game instead of whatever you had planned? That would've been a neat movie!
good point
It seems the alcohol gets in the way of your comprehension. You should probably get help.
What is it about Rian Johnson fans that make them so annoyingly pretentious?
@Lithosagym Fan Trash vs garbage
This is a perfect fit for Rian because he truly is a Glass Onion: very fragile with layers that are exactly the same.
Know how Zack snyder just makes wallpapers for desktop and iPhones?
Know how Michael Bay just makes three-hour long music videos?
Rian Johnson makes two-hour long TikTok videos. Everything looks awesome but its all hollow and you're only supposed to think about anything for 15-seconds.
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The accuracy of that is soul crushingly true. It's sad that so many people just want entertainment and will take the stupidest crap they can get with the mere veneer of quality.
This is all Hollywood is now, all sizzle no steak.
That line is kinda beautiful
I was pretty much entertained by the breezy charm of the cast. But I get the feeling that when Johnson signed that $400 million Netflix deal he was like: "Shit, I better write something fast!"
And now he's got a write another Knives Out movie, but this time with the... Muppets?!
At least Glass Onion makes more sense than Bird Box or Tall Girl
I think that it was fine but the twin thing was dumb and the fact that at the end he wins so she just destroys everything was kind of weak.
The dumbest part to me as when duke “learned the news” of her dying. She was JUST in the room!!! How did that make it to national news in seconds, with her on the island less than 100 yards away 🤦♂️
Cuz that wasn’t her that was her sister 🤦♂️
Dietrich Bonhoeffer said it best: you can't convince a stupid person of the truth the same way you can with a someone who is just uninformed. In the case of the latter, you can use logic and reasoning to show them the faults of their beliefs and teach them the truth. A stupid person will always hold fast to their opinion even if its illogical and ridiculous, and even if you try to convince them of the truth. The reason is, simply, they are stupid.
Great video, Drinker
That's a very good explanation as to why you can't convince Trump hating numb skulls that the January 6th committee and investigation are complete frauds and political theater
I laughed way too hard at the listing of all the crimes the characters would go to jail for. Thank you Drinker
They should add a mid-credits scene where Rian Johnson gets arrested
Looking at that poster, I wonder who the killer is??? It COULDN'T possibly be the veteran white male actor who's played a literal skinhead before, right???
You know, it could've been done much better, but I enjoyed it for what it was. And I see it as a movie that entertains you with great acting.
The script felt like a mixture between Hercule Poirot figuring out a mystery and the Quentin Tarantino's right-on-the-nose justice.
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Exactly
I thought (and still think) it was supposed to be a comedy.
The scene where she points out a direct evidence to Edward Northon face in close proximity so he can burn it just by reaching it and set it on fire by lighter was the most idiotic contrive plot point imaginable so Rian can have his explosion at the end of the movie and having joy to destroy one of the most important piece of painting in human history.
A painting famous because it was stolen not because it was great. Its one of the many apt metaphors of destroying it while at the same time destroying Edward Nortons character. Definitely agree it was stupid to put the paper that close to him but not completely unreasonable to get an ego when you think you've won.
The worst thing about that was the shot framing. Andi looked like she was further away and it never establishes she was as close to Miles until he suddenly burns the napkin. The movie had terrible cinematography.
@@xavmanisdabestest Pretty sure it is famous because of who made it.
I agree. And also the fact that he drove his one of a kind car that only he has to his ex partner's house to murder her, that's dumb also
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Well, the character is dumb so imo that's a consistent point lol
You can forgive some of the sins of _Glass Onion_ if there were a mystery here. But the Drinker nails the core problem in that there’s nothing given to viewers that allows them to ponder an actual mystery. In watching this with my wife and son, there was none of the banter between us as we tried to guess whodunit. That was telling.
The point of the film isn't the murder mystery. It's called "Glass Onion" for a reason. You have to peel the layers of an onion to see its core. You can see straight to the core of a glass onion. It's an allegory for how we view high society in contrast with what they actually are (which is explicit in the film). We allow ourselves to be blinded by their layers of "sophistication" and wealth when we can literally look right past that and see the truth.
@@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield The title of the film is "Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery." Mystery is literally in the title, not to mention that they put it in the "mystery/crime" genre, marketed it as a murder mystery, and it is a direct sequel to an Agatha Christie-inspired murder mystery film and features the same detective character. This movie does not get to have a terribly-written bullshit mystery plot and then excuse it with the defense that it's not actually a mystery movie.
@@MissCookieThief The Title is like an oxymoron. I know it's a terrible movie murder mystery, but that's not the point. The moral of the story is timeless and is especially relevant right now (also explicit in the film). Yes, it's bad and seemingly halfassed, but the plot isn't the purpose.
If you still think it's supposed to be a murder mystery, you just allowed yourself to be trolled by Rian Johnson
It's a sequel to a "murder mystery" where the obvious red herring turned out to actually be the killer. What were you expecting?
@Soggmeister The only one trolled here is you if you think that a man who was handed 100's of millions of dollars to hire a dozen millionaires from Hollywood to preach about the flaws of idolizing "high society" is timeless and meaningful commentary.
Gotta say. Big fan but....did you actually watch this movie or just use Fast Forward?
This guy turns his brain off when he watches Black Adam and makes up flaws for a clever Rian Johnson’s movie. I guess it’s very easy to be a film critic.
Spoilers:
My favorite moment of the film was the 2 minute window when....
Blanc explained to Miles about why he ruined the game-mystery. I had not really been grabbed by the movie to that point, and I was having an internal struggle with whether or not I was enjoying it. I know Knives Out is full of conveniences, but it was fun and I liked it a fair bit. This one, though, actively had me questioning if I wanted to just turn it off. Anyway, this scene gave me hope that the movie would get good from here. It basically wiped the slate clean and in that moment, I could excuse how cliché and uninteresting the movie had been to that point if it was done in service of setting up a "This isn't at all what you think it is" and I genuinely got excited to see where it went. Then it just fumbled the whole rest of the way. Then the last straw was Blanc basically turning to the camera/audience and saying "This is dumb!" followed by the worst section of the movie.
I'm just disappointed and I'm very much not even interested in the next one now outside of watching Daniel Craig have fun with his character.
Completely agree. I had the same reaction to the, "I ruined your game on purpose" scene. I was like: Alright! Now we're getting somewhere!
.... only to be let down by basically everything that followed
Yes
Yeah pretty much sums up my viewing experience too, I started getting really invested after you know, the actual murder happens, and then we get the flashback and I’m still invested going into it, then it keeps going, and keeps going, and I legit didn’t expect the flashback to lead all the way back, and after all that I kinda lost investment, and the finale kinda just confused me, I thought destroying all the glass was going somewhere but nah, it’s just to destroy more things. Also the fact that they put so much focus on the door for the Mona Lisa for no reason kinda disappointed me.
@@captainnomekop5056 Everything in that house was Klear, except for the Mona Lisa's protection. Miles even spoke of it earlier, that Klear wasn't just powering everything on the island, everything on the island was Klear. I'm still surprised that Miles simply didn't off everyone at the end, as he had nothing left to lose and had already shown a penchant for murder.
Yes! This comment says exactly what I was thinking but couldn't articulate. The first KO movie was funny and enjoyable despite the very unrealistic 3d-chesslike logic Blanc unravels at the end. The absurdity of the 'rich-asshole' characters was entertaining. But this movie, the rich-assholes took over the movie like toddlers at a birthday party. It left me hoping for more dialogue and deduction/reasoning from Blanc of which there was very little.
I actually thought this was movie was ok, but honestly what ruined it for me was the scene where Miles Bron claimed he was “poisoned” and his re-telling of events. I literally thought “no that’s not how it happened” and rewinded it to check and sure enough I was right. I think this would’ve been fine in the cinema, but not for streaming. Oh and of course the great detective revealed what I already suspected towards the end.
Not a bad movie, but VERY easily predictable, at least Knives Out sort of kept you guessing.
reality distortion field is strong - both movies were abysmal... couldn't even stomach watching Crass Onion until the end
Just watched this movie and for the most part I have to agree.
The one place I'd differ is to say this: It's not a detective story at all, it's a low effort comedy wearing an overpriced detective costume to a Halloween party. Seems to be RJ's calling card now that I think about it.
You missed one other part about the Batista watching his girlie thing. HE sent her to Miles to seduce him into giving Batista a spot on "Alpha News". The first time they make it look like it's a straight up affair. The second time, they show that she is trying to get him to agree to help her boyfriend.
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Drinkers criticism is more to do with the girls being there when she wasn’t clearly there before thou.
And they can magically hear them talking through thick glass.
What I dont understand how did the Andi got a twin? Why is she working with Blanc? Miles burned the tissue in 2 seconds? Ending is the worst.
Never watched a movie before have you
Ironic how the film mirrors Miles in the sense that it’s portrayed as nuanced, intelligent and classy just to be revealed as dumb
That’s literally the point. The movie is supposed to be ridiculous. It’s making fun of itself
@@kickapoo242 Nah it's still dumb. You know, not all jokes are funny
@@kickapoo242 right?! It's not hard to realize this lol. Everyone's a friggin critic these days lol
@@The_Breaded92 This film is pretty easy to criticize.
@@kickapoo242 "Haha I was only pretending to be dumb" is not a valid position to hold.
Idk I liked this movie as a wacky and silly murder mystery, like the first one
The analogy with chess is a great one. Ryan Johnson's a hack man.
"I expected complexity. I expected intelligence. I expected a puzzle, a game. But that's not what any of this is. It hides not behind complexity, but behind mind-numbing obvious clarity. Truth is, it doesn't hide at all" - perfect summary of the movie 😆
Precisely. It's a glass onion. On its surface appears densely layered and complex, but in truth you can look directly at the core.
Or how about when Kate Hudson says it's so dumb it's brilliant and then Craig says no it's just dumb
I expected absolutely nothing from the movie and feel completely cheated.
According to what authority? You? Drinker? I don't think that'll hold up in court.
To be honest the first movie was like that too. Was baffled of the high scores it got, not that its awful but I don't think it was that good.
Spot on. I read a lot of old detective stuff. Mostly Christie and Sayers and some others from the same era. And it's the one genre that really tests writing skills in plot, character, motivation. You can get away with a lot of sins in other areas, but it's all about a puzzle to be solved, and the skill of making one that both confounds an audience, while also revealing all the facts is a rare one. This has all the surface of a Poirot film: the well-known cast, the luxury locations, but it is much like the Star Wars films that have lightsabres and AT-STs, but are rubbish. Or you know the Indiana Jones film is going to have the whip and something about snakes, but it's not going to have the soul of the original trilogy.
I also think this film follows the very annoying current trend of trying to please the sort of critics who like its social commentary, rather than an audience. The woman who uses sweatshops, the right-wing shock jock, the tech billionaire. These are such easy, lazy targets. Like when socialists complain about Jeff Bezos but still sell their books on Amazon. Or how about someone asking what they think people in Bangladesh are going to be doing if not making clothes for Primark.
And how about some technical detail, like you can't protect an idea. Intellectual property law covers patents, copyright and trademarks. You can come up with a brilliant idea for a company and someone can steal it from you. It's why a lot of companies keep new ideas hushed up, employ only the most trusted people to work on them. Or what's the general theory behind that hydrogen that, well, explodes when it hits fire. What else is it supposed to do? You know, people like Christie and Sayers used to do the research so their plots, mechanisms were grounded in the real world. I think it's fine to have Magical Bullshit, but I think you should define that the world you are in is Magical Bullshit World first.
Great analysis, I want to also add the film had horrible set up to the twist and then a gruelingly long exposition dump. The movie bothered to set up superficial things like the hydrogen, the painting, the malapropism, but it never actually sets up anything of use or plot relevance. The red letter is set up after the exposition dump.
The second biggest problem is POV. The movie has a first person perspective from Blanc but intentionally obscures reality and our perspective of him. It’s obscured for the sake of plot, and not because he was an unreliable narrator. The film just lies to you and then switches to the other first person perspective of Helen which acts as an exposition dump rather. She is the reliable narrator in which we see reality for it is but not Blanc. It makes no sense and lacks an actually reasoning for the movie making Blanc an unreliable narrator.
and a 9mm will certainly penetrate a 1/2" thick book
Well, except for the silly, short-sighted excuse for cheap labour, I agree. But it seems modern writers just lack the logic skills for these kind of stories so they take the easy way out. It's not like critics and audiences hate it so they know they can keep going. 🤷🏻♀️
"The woman who uses sweatshops, the right-wing shock jock, the tech billionaire."
- The funny part is, in reality, most of those trope characters are left-wingers. It seems so tone deaf to me. They keep bringing up that Kate Hudson's character got in trouble for blackface. Who are the people historically who keep getting nailed for that? It's almost always lefties. Jimmy Kimmel, Justin Trudeau, Sarah Silverman, Ralph Northam.
I think your perception depends on what you expect from a movie. People expecting a murder-mystery would certainly be disappointed if the movie starts by showing who the murderer is and how he does the murder, then show the murderer easily dancing around the stupid detective investigating it until the big twist at the end is that the detecive wasn't stupid at all and catches him. Thats the plot of every columbo-movie. You don't watch it to find out who is the murderer or wether or not Columbo will catch him, we know he will. You just enjoy the journey, wondering how it will happen.
This movie doesn't take itself to serious, the Mona Lisa being there is a giveaway, certainly its destruction in the end. Also if it were a true murder mystery it would prevent you from knowing the truth until it wants you to know it. You could suppect Miles swapped the glasses with Duke or had taken his mobile, but he would not be shown doing it or having the mobile in his pocket. This movie does. The characters are caricatures and a macguffin is simply a macguffin. Wether you consider it a good or a bad movie, it doesn't really try to be Murder on the Orient Express or Death on the Nile so accusing it of not being it is IMHO somwhat beside the point.
I think the craziest thing is that miles would have allowed a world renown detective and the lady he knows he left for dead to come on his island.
Plot holes you can drive a bus through... So the whole group knew each other for a decade but NOBODY knew she had a twin? Miles allows the world's greatest detective to snoop around his island KNOWING he's a murderer? Three letters come to mind.... W..T..F..
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They did know she had a twin. One of the characters even says "oh, yeah, she mentioned a twin". And like the sister said they both didn't have the best relationship so it makes sense for them to not talk about each other
ofcourse they knew she had a twin....why would they just suspect its the twin?? the murder did not happen on the island whats there to find..the napkin but he didn't let the detective snoop his office?
They knew she had a twin, but they had no reason to believe it was her twin because in their mind she wasn't dead. And why did miles allow blanc to stay? Because he's an idiot
@@hansvangrunsven2073 why would he not allow blanc to stay? Only the murderer would recognize blanc and helen as a threat. if hes innocent he will likely see blanc as an excellent addition to the mystery party as it plays out.