Say what you want about Cameron, the guy knows how to film an action spectacle. Terminator, Aliens, Terminator 2, True Lies, etc. The naval battle was pretty legit.
@@thealcohologist8624 if 2021 gave us Drinker doing a best and worst for Nolan for Tenet and 2022 is the one for cameron with Avatar 2, is 2023 giving us another one for a legacy director?
I'm a bit surprised by how little I see people talk about Kiri's epilepsy/connection with the Great Mother that feels like total loose end, or at least underdeveloped. I thought that in 3 hours I could see this story get really well rounded out.
@@AnonYmous-mk4mmI will at least give the film credit for having characters therein actually _discuss_ the issue, even if from a juvenile teenage perspective of "lol, I bet your dad was Norm (sorry, can’t remember that guy’s name), lmao!" But then I have to take some credit back because in the exact same scene they discuss Spider’s dad, but don’t mention his mother, which raises question about who _she_ was…
@@AnonYmous-mk4mm My interpretation was that there isn't supposed to be a father and it's more of a "Virgin Mary had a Jesus" situation, with Eywa being the "god" that makes it happen.
They are pretty much setting her up to be Navi-Jesus who brings balance to the Force and probably ends up dying to bring the warring tribes of Humans and Navi together.
If nothing else, you gotta give it credit for not trying to "subvert expectations" or "deconstruct the genre" or be spiteful to its target audience or anything like that. In fact, just the fact that it went for a simple, if dated, kind of moral and was made with some passion was pretty refreshing.
Give it credit for literally copying the same cliche story of every movie made in the last 100 years? Sure. I'd rather it have not been made at all if that were the only options.
I still struggle to understand how humanity in the Avatar universe has the ability to bioengineer lifeforms, and make them genetically compatible with the base species, yet making an Earth lifeform capable of cleaning up/eating pollution or just modifying humans to be more tolerant to the new conditions is apparently impossible.
Because keeping Earth habitable was never their goal. The group on Pandora doesn't represent humans on Earth, they're all from that one corporation. Basically this universe's Weyland-Yutani, and they were all about bringing a live xenomorph to earth for study/weaponization and later profit. (The one line from the general about needing to subdue the natives is just that one general, and we don't have anyone else saying things different from Earth-side, and one would think the human pro-Navi staff still in this film would have some contact back home.) If you look at what the base focus is for each movie. Avatar is more of a film series against corporate profit-chasing really. The first film was all about unobtanium, meant for powering starships more cheaply/or to be sold for profit. This new film has a main focus on the anti-aging goo from the whales, which the guy said was now the main source of funding for the entire Pandora human expedition. That's just human vanity and greed. I think the main point of the overall story has been, even though humans have supposedly royally fucked up Earth with these behaviors. They still haven't learned. Plop them in any new paradise and unless their underlying motivations change, they're going to destroy any new "eden" they find or make for themselves with the same old greed for money. I'm hopeful it's some version of this where a third film, if we get one, is going, not for everyone to go all flower-child, but maybe we actually need to see more from Earthside, than this militarized corporation saying they're speaking for Earth.
@@Stothehighest "Avatar is more of a film series against corporate profit-chasing really." Lmao. I really want to know how they justify to themselves spending so much money making these movies.
The whale extract also seemed contrived, like they can create avatars but can't replicate the immortality extract? I felt they could have come up with a better reason to hunt them.
Because understanding Earth ecology and all the connections is beyond our capabilities, maybe even in the future. I can compare it to Global Warming - it's in motion and it have tipping points beyond which damage would be unrecoverable or unstoppable like melting an iceberg - even when we restore the correct temperature, it will still melt, because it went down the slope and is under optimal temperature condition height. So - You can clean the the pollution, but by the time You do this life will already die or adapt, so you end up with... empty, carbonic acid tank, empty dusty wastelands. How our bioengineering is going? We have some successes with GMO, but we also have bioengineered mosquitos that was causing sterility in future generation, but it turned out that mosquito ladies somehow learned to avoid them. I think making genetic compatible species is not going to be hard to Synthetic Biology as soon as we learn how to make complex organisms, since you just build from already known principles and DNA. I'm just enthusiast, so if we have a scientist in the room, i have no problem with clearing the floor with my words if I learn something new :D
I went to the theater without expecting much in the way of storytelling and enjoyed it. Some scenes surprisingly succeeded in delivering some emotional points too, on occasion. The visuals blow any CGI from this year out of the water when it comes to realism and believability, and the artistic direction is more clear-cut and coherent than the first movie. I suspect it would kinda fall apart upon a rewatch, especially outside of the theater, but I didn't feel the long runtime and I didn't feel like I wasted money.
This, in a nutshell. It's fantastic filler, meant to be watched once, on as large a screen as you can find, and looked at as a set piece. That being said, if even a percent of the time spent on the visuals had been spent on the narrative and dialogue, it (and the first one, to be honest) could have been so much more even than they were.
I couldn't get over the fact that 4 of the 6 soldier avatars were killed in the beginning (one was literally shot in the face) when Jake was rescuing his kids but in the next few scenes they're scene leaving the area perfectly fine
"Na'vi are constantly portrayed as perfect" Actually I was happy to see Na'vi jerks in this one. The water tribe chief's wife and kids outright call Jake's family halfbreeds with demon blood, and said kids lead Jake's son out into the deep ocean, apparently to be lost at sea. Meanwhile the Chief's wife gets called to treat Jake's daughter and seeing humans trying to tend to her immediately tries to use it as an excuse to leave.
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Yes exactly this. We are starting to see Navi that are outright racist and are literally trying to kill one of their own. And this is just the beginning, I am excited to see what kind of immoral Navi will be shown in the next movie, but this "Navi are constantly portrayed as perfect" is and will never be the case again.
@@delimelone Compared to how the humans/villains in the movie are portrayed, the small number of flaws doesn't even compare. They are perfect conceptually, the 'flaws' presented in this movie are gone by the end when they work together with JakeSully to defeat 'The Humans' with nobility and bravery. Once again it is the same trope characterization, just with a lighter shade of blue and a different ecosystem.
They were never perfect, at least in this one we don't have to wait for the extended cut. Navi were always racist and destructive to the environment, they just don't have the capacity for either that humans do in that timeline.
Lemmings cannot handle any more complex story. They have no capability to discern the overwhelming plot-holes which should be seen as insulting to the viewer.
Bruh ain’t writing free? How much could that possibly cost plus it’s Cameron’s vision even if you don’t personally like it he achieved what he was going for
I think he tried to make the bad guy more believable, instead of the evil bad guy. He tamed the flying thing like Jake. He cared for spider, so he stopped the torture and he let the kid go because he didn't want Spider to get killed.
Bs, honestly. Him taming the beast was just a pissing contest he got goaded into by a kid, no less. And let's be honest, we knew the entire time he wasn't going to change his nature. This whole scourge was begun over his petty need for revenge, not for the betterment of mankind. Yeah, he stopped the torture alright, but then set the entire village on fire. He was always evil, Spider is just incredibly stupid for caring for him. Like, his goal is to find the Sullys and kill them, why tf is he helping him so much and acting all friendly? Then when he meets up with them again he's like "oh hey, wassup guys" like nothing happened. Then, after his childhood friend dies he still helps the guy. If anyone says 'Stockholm syndrome' I'm clocking them
He's been killed 1 1/2 times in two movies. Obviously in Part 6 he'll have his "epiphany" moment and do a Darth Vader rehab. Remember in 2053 you saw it here first!
The craziest part of Avatar 2 for me was how much it felt like it was all set up for something that didn't come. Spider's relationship with his dad, the hostage scene, the stroke, humanity trying to colonize. Everything seemed like it was setting up for much more than what the end of the movie gave that it feels like it was either meant to be longer or to be the first in a long series like Starwars, but at the same time the painted simplicity of humans bad gives the feeling that any sequel wouldn't be much fleshed out. All in all, I think we'll all find out in Avatar 3: The fall of Earth
Yeah, I can see that. We're getting away - oh no, we forgot someone, better go back x3. But then again, as an ADHD person, just leaving the house I end up going back and forth multiole times as I keep forgetting things XD and with so many family members in the middle of a frantic battle, I could believe it XD
Yes, and Jake & Neytiri are freaking out when WATER - the thing they spent the entire movie learning to adapt to - slowly sinks the ship. Don't they have like 20 minutes before they need air? Did they learn nothing? The ending would make more sense if Jake's entire family watched Quaritch drown while mouthing the words "Way of the WATER, BEaaatch!". Man, this film annoyed the crap out of me.
But just like critical said, the length makes the visuals lack substance. I saw this in imax and about an hour and a half in, I was bored of the visuals
@Fabian It did, it's a story about how reef people live or their culture, Jake's family and kids, and revenge for the old dude. I think you only think of it as simple.
The ‘new character turns out to be the secret child of the previous villain’ is such a cliche element and it’s always followed by said character sitting alone depressed before being joined by someone who was previously hurt by that villain and the kid saying “am I like them?” And the other person smiling and saying “you’ve got a good heart, you’re nothing like them” 🙄
4:27 - man, you aren't kidding! During that interminable chunk of the movie, someone says, "The Way of Water has no end." And I literally thought to myself, "It sure f*cking seems so!"
I thought "A father's job is to protect his family " is " The Message " that viewers of Drinker would want in movies. But then, looking at the comments, it seems this is too " Woke" for some people.
@@chriscorben-green2640 the logic at this point is that “woke” simply means “anything I don’t like”. The differences in the behaviors of the ultra “woke” and the anti-“woke” become less distinctive by the day.
The heavy importance of family in the least Vin Diesel way possible was my favorite part. They trusted one another, and weren’t belittling each other constantly like every single other thing made nowadays. Dad was dad, mom was mom, and the kids were kids. For sure too long though.
Yeah it was good to see a classic Family again. It so diluted in cinema and shows nowadays. Felt refreshing for it to just... Be... Even though it was long me and my girlfriend literally didn't feel the length. It was so good! She usually falls asleep at every movie we watch 🙄 but this was engaging and epic throughout
the really complicated part is that they put *tons* of effort into the lore of Avatar for the first movie (there's literally a book that was put out, & a wiki that goes over pretty much every detail... they even created a new language & music (though they didn't use the music in the end)), but then they ended up with a debatably formulaic plot
Cameron made Terminator and Aliens I dont care how many terrible movies he does after I am just thankful for those 2. Bad movies are just like traffic noise at this point
Overall a 7/10 for me. "A father protects his family", that was a really good message. Yeah there were parts that felt like they could have used trimming or at least a better screenplay, and there were some obvious retcons, but I did enjoy the film. I actually liked the teen drama stuff as well. Eventually movies and moviemakers will figure out how to make 3 hour+ movies with perfect pacing, we'll get there eventually. The soundtrack and visuals were amazing as well.
that's way too much. it's 5-6 at most, visuals we're pretty and pacing not bad but that's all. the story was filled with pretty much every cliché from bad guys missing every cliché to bad guy making stupid decisions over and over
@@Obese_Pterodactyl Indeed although I meant in the context of longer movies becoming mainstream, not just exceptions like the pinnacle of modern cinema that is LOTR.
Fun tidbit, Lucas DID have a few editors on the set of the prequels that challenged some of his decisions. Lucas then, in his own words from a behind the scenes interview, "had to let them go"
I see where people called prequels self indulgent but honestly kinda on long reflection, I think Lucas deserved to have some crazy characters or ideas too. Some of his plot ideas where ass but random crap like 50s diners with alien line chefs speaking in Brooklyn accents are funny to me now.
Cameron is a helluva pioneer in cinematic technology... but for the love of God, he paints his scripts with an extension roller. Heavy-handed, cliché, preachy, without an ounce of subtlety or cleverness. He's a sharp director, but a completely blunt and dulled out writer. It's almost hard to believe he wrote The Terminator, Aliens, and The Abyss. True Lies had different writers, and T2 showed signs of his bad habits. Titanic is where his flaws really showed through. Derivative love story that takes up most of the more fascinating historical aspects of the famed travesty.
I liked the film but I 100% agree about Spider. The actor was bad and the character had just appeared out of nowhere for the sake of it and had little impact on the story. The things he did do, like save Quaritch's life, could have easily been changed and done a different way without Spiders involvement
I feel like you shouldn't forget that Spider is a child that grew without a father, in search of an identity. The colonel showed that he cared for him by releasing Kiri so that he wouldn't be killed, so for me, his decision at the end makes sense.
" in search of an identity" would have been nice to actually see that and have it organically integrated into the story. instead we have him loving life and getting on with the Na'Vi like he's one of them except for Neytiri for some reason who is a massive racist still even though she married and had kids with a human. then he teaches the people trying to kill his family how to fly.
@@heliopyre Right? Tarzan did such a better job with Kerchak and the tribe treating him as an outsider. I also totally understand it just from a "heroic" standpoint, it's the "right" thing to do and from a "now we are even" point of view too because he saved him. That being said I would not be chill with Jake's family because his wife threatened to kill me, spider is most likely just a dipshit.
exactly. I told my sister I hated he decided to save him in the end and she replied "yeah, but he was raised by good people, so he did the right thing" .
I agree, it felt like despite not wanting to he started to see father figure in him during their journey. They both affected each other in the way they themselfes would not expect.
This looked and felt like an actual movie. And that by default makes it one of the few modern movies that is worth seeing in the theatres. The bar is so low 😔
I actually quite enjoyed the movie. The visuals were stunning and the robotics used by the human population were extremely interesting to see. I had a good time.
My favourite part of the film was the scene where Neytiri was on the sunken ship, covered in blood, breathing hard, almost feral, having just butchered a bunch of bad guys and Spider was too scared to even show himself to her. It reminded me of the scene in T2 where Sarah breaks out of prison. James Cameron really is a master of protreying strong women.
Despite it being the most predictable thing ever: neyteri, spider and quaritch’s relationship and one character death make the last scene a little less simple happy ever after than the first film (hence sequel set up.) And i would say there was again a human population that were good. The marine biologist on the whaler team was oddly amusing, i wish we had more of him as he clearly hated everyting he was doing but was going along with it cause he needed the money for his research.
Still want to know why they gave him a hokey American accent when his Australian counterpart got to remain Australian. My guess is that to foreign ears Australian and NZ accents are the same. To my ears I can tell the difference, like when some of the child Na’vi extra slip back into their NZ accents, lmao.
Spyders last act made 100 percent sense to me. The colonel had saved his life when natiri had a knife to his throat so he saved the colonels life in return. What had me wondering wtf is how spyders just gonna live as part of natiris family now but they aren’t gonna say a word about how she was about to kill him 15 minutes previous?
The movie isn't an intellectual one, but people are having a hard time connecting all the different nuances and just say MoViE bAd! Colonel showed Spyder that he cared about him in the last act, so Spyder returned the favor. Simple as that. People want a unique story and then get mad when characters do unexpected but understandable things. Edit: I think people are also forgetting that Colonel is the one that let Spyder out of the interrogation room and back into the forest. Spyder was also impressed at his father's ability to wrangle the flying creature without a harness or a muzzle, so Spyder clearly has some respect for his father. Those two moments alone served as pseudo-bonding moments between them. Far more interesting than a cliche bonding moment between father and son.
Just imagine how f***** the family dynamic is with that ending though. Natiri constantly treats spyder like trash and then holds a knife to his throat all for the human people to leave and act like none of that happened? Dude he’s gotta have a family dynamic where his adopted mother hates him and adopted father only loves him because he feels bad for him.
@J they’re making it real easy for spyder to grow up and be the avatars version of the joker. Almost makes me feel as if spyder would’ve been better off with the colonel.
One of the finest examples of "see it in theaters or don't see it at all." The spectacle of this movie, delivered on a huge screen with a massive sound system, is enough to prop up its weaker elements and keep it entertaining-- though I will admit to checking my watch a few times during the second act. That said, I doubt I will ever rewatch it in its entirety.
I agree on your last part, checking the time or having the urge to check the mobile phone for something interesting was definetely the case. I must sadly admit that I was not fascinated enough by the visuals and sound to stay entertained in cinema. I get the point that many say it may be the only way to watch this movie, but it made me so angry (due to the length, that was unnecessary) that I stick to the opinion that this movie is not a must-watch
At least Cameron had a somewhat in-universe explanation for bringing back Cpt Quidditch, unlike some other main bad guy I could think of that fell in a hole, exploded and then exploded again.
Ok, but it's still bad. The only reason they brought him back was because the actor that played the colonel was damn cool and easily and by far the most charismatic character in the first movie. So they tought they'd do ctrl-c ctrl-v for the second movie, only that they didn't realize that in his navi form he's just another elongated smurf just like everyone else and has zero stand out traits and charisma. Oh and there's also the big plot hole of them trying to portay his death as a big deal, when they can literally implant his consciousness into an infinite number of navis, so why would one of the copies dying be a big deal.
Great review! The whole story line just felt so simple, like something from a children's book...and I personally am growing so weary of the 'humanity=cancer' trope..I mean why in the hell would we land a ship on a planet when we knew the resulting splash from the thrusters would burn hundreds of acres of perfectly usable forest?...no one in thier right mind would do that, and that's just one of many examples of just on the nose painting of humanity as evil in this movie
Yeah, I agree with you on this...burning all that forest was unnecessary, however, I thought the ships thrust used as brakes to slow down in space was awesome. Quite realistic, more so than in most other SF movies.
I think the thrust burning the forest is realistic especially when we know primary succession will colonize the already damaged land, it's not something that was intentional but it needed to happen
We live in a world where the reviews are more anticipated than the movies. Let that sink in. EDITED TO ADD: "Letting other people think for you." Yet here you are. Also, some people have wasted so much money on absolute shite that they are a little jaded, that's all. If none of that applies to to you, coo. No need to troll.
@@RockSmithStudio It might go further back than that. Older movies did not have the distractions today so they could focus on the story and people, and message? what message?
Yeah, because for people who can’t think for themselves, being told what to think about something without even experiencing it is like a drug. This is why everyone should be weary of op-ed channels like the Critical Drinker. This guy literally makes a living off of telling people what they shouldn’t like months before ever experiencing it for themselves. He knows some hot take on some popular thing will keep bringing people back so they can keep being told it’s crap and it’s ruining their childhood or some shit like that.
I wouldn’t call him a good father, he lets his kids run off constantly and abandons his tribe leaving them leaderless to go put another tribe in danger…
Same, yeah the hippy environmentalist angle felt like something out of the nineties, but it was refreshing to see a flawed, but "strong enough" father in Jake Sully who tried his best for his family.
i enjoyed it too, some people are just too critical about movies, it entertained me and i escaped to another world for 3 hours, it got flaws yes but what movie doesn't.
My dad said he liked the movie, just because of how it looked. I asked him about the plot, and he said I honestly cant remember. I think they had to shoot whales or something. I ask him what the characters names are. He said, "uh... Jake and blue chick, and his kids names are: "Dont Touch That", "Get back here" and "Why dont you listen?"
Did you shake your head slowly in despair after that? Knowledge really is a burden. If only everyone could see through all the lies and distractions the way keen-eyed hawks like yourself can, we could've had better stories. Alas, the world is full of sheep who can't see the truth, so we'll keep getting garbage like this film 😔😔 so sad 😔😔😔
@@nom6758my brother in Christ it’s a visual medium. Not saying the plot and screenplay aren’t crucial, but what separates a film from a book is the ability to lose yourself in the moving images you see on a screen.
The thing that annoyed me the most was when he repeatedly said, "I have your kids, come alone or I will shoot them" Not only does that happen multiple times but when it becomes obvious that Sully is going there to fight, he just forgets to shoot them. I am like why? You are supposed to be merciless, it's obvious that Sully will kill you so why not just shoot them? In the last act, Neytiri and Sully team up and kill the remaining two Avatars (aside from the colonel) yet the colonel never kills the kids.
Quaritch hates Sully, but he still has a remaining moral character. He sees Jake as a traitor who must die, but he gets more and more moral qualms, especially seeing his own son among them.
So many people do not get Quarich. He's a Marine colonel. That means merciless to the ENEMY but a protector to those who need protection. He has honor and duty. He doe not let FEELINGS get in the way; but duty does not compel killing children. They might die anyway as collateral damage.
Additionally, in the last act why is it just the Sully family against Quarich? What happened to the like 80+ sea people that were already fighting that same battle earlier? Literally there was no mention of them, what they were doing, or why they left the Sully family to fight their own battle. Lazy writing.
5:57 That is a great point. Watching clips of the film online - it looks majestic, and I think to myself, didn't it look like that when I watched it in the cinema. It did, but my brain got used to it and it loses its impact
I'm just blown away by the water simulations and physics they pulled off. Literally any time that you see the -smurfs- navi in the water, it's all 100% computer generated. The way the water drips off and lingers on things and the way things like cloth become saturated is insane.
Yep. Both Avatar movies were all about the cutting edge technology on display, with the story in third place behind making a neat world. Avatar has a mediocre at best story, but it was all about the spectacle of insanely new CGI and a cool world on display.
I don't understand how Spider was such a good swimmer at the end of the movie. He is a human, with an inferior body as the Navi have, and he never had the immense training in breath holding and swimming that the rest of his group did. Especially since he never had to swim before in his life, he probably never did, yet he somehow managed to keep up with them at the end.
I feel awful for spider, his pretty much adopted mom goes insane and was willing to murder him, and then they just hug afterwards and it isn’t mentioned. Maybe they’re trying to set him up as a villain, but I wouldn’t blame him at this point.
There is a prequel comic called Avatar: High Ground which goes a bit deeper into Spider's childhood/lineage. The long and short of it is that Neytiri was *never* really onboard with adopting Spider, she was never his mother and he never even referred to her as such instead calling her Mrs.Sully. So the developments in the movie shouldn't be at all surprising to him as she has treated him coldly 8/10 times that he knew her. If anything he should've been apprehensive to begin with.
My biggest gripe about this movie is that by this point in time, you'd think that the humans would have advanced in tech and started creating genetically enhanced Na'vi with marine brains downloaded into them, and geared in power armor to create their very own Space Marines. But no, they regressed in technology by having exposed stiltsuits, windshields that no longer block arrows, and armored TRAINS Like, the World Wars showed us why armored trains are a bad idea
Yeah, the lack of improvement in technology broke my suspension of disbelief. Especially the windshields. They waited close to 20 years to come back and seems less prepared than before. Only their bigger number is making up for it.
@@davidlacoste Yeah, you’d especially think, after the events of the first movie, the military would make arrow proof glass. Especially if they were doing something as important as preserving the human race. Not to mention that the humans have these crazy advanced mech suits, but seem to have forgotten about things like predator drones that can bomb the cat people clear from the upper atmosphere.
@@youknowwhoelsecantthinkofagood The insurgents are hiding in the Hallelujah mountains, where compasses don't work, and where the alien life attacks anything human which enters.
Honestly the whale got more character development than some of the protagonists. Overall it had good visuals and decent chemistry between several of the characters, but it felt like it was an hour too long and the whole whaling sequence could have been cut down a lot while making the same point. I wasn't a fan of bringing back the same villain either as it cheapens his death in the first movie. Also, I think the reason why Spider stayed on Pandora was because babies couldn't travel in cryogenesis or whatever tech they used for long distance travel.
Saw it last night, the visuals are insane. As for Spyder's last act, he is at the end of the day a kid, and I think it's the purity of heart that has him do that. It is very hard to see someone dying and not take action.
Honestly, if my adopted mom threatened to kill me without hesitation in front of the rest of my adopted family, and the only one who begged her to stop was my bio dad, I would've done the same thing. Only difference being I wouldn't have run back to them.
Sorry, but that's a stretch I'm just not willing to go along with. The story in this movie was terrible, and Spider saving Quaritch at the end was silly and stupid that only made it worse.
So toska3528 and secret0517 are the same person and spamming how to make fries. I like the fact that I can queue a video (stupid air fryer potato wedges) and then remove it so I never have to watch the stupid thing.
The whole theatre laughed by the third time ong. In fact, the theatre laughed way more than it should've lmfao Actually. It was enjoyable, cause the "contrivances" (as he puts it) are so comedic at times If you go into it being serious you're not gonna have a good time. But I really enjoyed the movie, even with the sometimes silly plot
@@CYXNIGHT It's a movie that isn't out to say much besides having an environmental side message about taking care of nature. Which is exactly why I enjoyed the first and second one because it is just a simple, fun entertaining movie where you can just turn your brain off. If I want a complex movie I wouldn't go to James Cameron to look for one. :P
Why would the humans give the Avatar functional gonads? Most cross-bred animals like mules and ligers are sterile, so it stands to reason the avatar bodies would be as well. Did the Avatar project scientists account for one of the users going rogue and banging a local? It would have been a massive additional and unnecessary headache to have functional gametes in the avatar bodies so it seems incredibly stupid.
Up next Avatar: The Strength of Earth and Avatar: the Fire Within 😆 You know they’re gonna go through the elements when they start with Air and go on to Water XD
3:03 "How exactly do they plan to colonise a planet where they can't even breathe the air without dying? *DON'T KNOW* 🤷♂️" Best and most hilarious part of the video
@@chaitanya737No, not the same. We are not fighting against aliens while also trying to colonize a planet we can’t breathe on. Also, we don’t have to deal with a living sentient planet (plant) unlike in the movies.
My favourite part is where they went and fought alongside the Navi at the end, but when they came to the surface after being underwater it was only the Sully family left. Where’d the rest of the Navi go?? The leaders had a daughter who was a hostage as well, but you seen them alive and well at the end. What happened? Did they just decide to call it a day and let the Sully’s handle it?
Yes this was my biggest problem with the movie and definitely the most obvious plothole. The leader of the Samoan Navi even said they wanted to kill all the people on that boat, but then they just disappeared before that happened?
Hey Drinker. You convinced me it's a good movie to watch! I dislike how short movies don't develop characters/personalities. Don't really have to have a character arc, just have to have cool personalities and interactions. Staying a good father is a heck of an achievement. I look forward to watching this.
I'm glad this piss poor excuse of a criticism of the movie's themes, character dynamics and world building didn't discorage you from having an interest in experiencing the movie and form your own criticism of it, hope you do enjoy it for what it is and the more subtle messages reach your conscious so that you can come out of the theater with an appreciation for the amazing planet we inhabit and for the concept of family and community, which in my opinion was done very well, the movie does have issues however the pros are more than the cons and possibly with the third installment of the franchise there's going to be more exploration and nuance of the less explored or poorly executed aspects of this movie. (Sorry for typing such a long comment 😅)
@@randomly_random_0 while I don't think it's necessarily complex (also no one stated that it was lol) I don't think it's nostalgia making that film so good - objectively, it really is good; the atmosphere, the action, the theme, the set pieces - all quality that still hold up to today
I'mma be real, I haven't watched a film in months, but I often come here to hear The Drinker talk about them. It's almost like a news report at this point. 😆
Fucking hell, uh... i.. think it's the same for me. I've just been watching series this whole time man.. Can't even remember the last time i watched a movie online this year.... if any..
Well, I actually saw this one and was bored af. But yeah all those shit shows like hulk woman or whatever it is called. I can't bring myself to watch it, but I love watch it burn with drinker commentary on top of that. Like his reviews are actually more entertaining that most of those shows.
Well, most humans may have been portrayed as evil in the first 2 Avatar films, In Avatar 3:The Seed Bearer we may get to see evil Na' vi tribes that live near volcanoes. By the way, Avatar: The Way of Water is amazing in 3D.
Yeah this echos my thoughts. I saw it today and the movie looks incredible and all that but the characters are just so simple. The over-the-top flawless natives and the over-the-top evil humans just had my eyes rolling. The movie could have been so much better with more relatable characters on both sides. I do like the family element but overall the story is rather flat. Also there's just too many characters. There is no reason for spider to even be in the movie, and at least two of Jake's children are pretty pointless characters. I still enjoyed it and I would still recommend it but it could have been a better movie.
@@connordorman117 Doesn't necessarily mean it's hypocritical. He might feel more strongly about emphasising the importance of family precisely because he's seen the effects of family breakdown, even if he was the cause of them. A warning about the dangers of alcohol or drug abuse is no less sincere when it comes from someone who's been an addict - "Don't make the same mistakes as me" can be a powerful message when it's done right (I haven't seen the film so I don't know how it comes across in this case).
I took my 13 year old to see it. She almost fell asleep, but after it was over still said she loved it. That basically summed it up for me; a long, boring, yet wonderful experience that you'll be glad you've seen yet not really be able to express why.
Probably because, depending on food and drinks and the tickets themselves, you don't want to say you felt like you wasted spending close to 50 dollars, maybe more.
I want to go and see it in a space-themed new cinema where I live. But... your take left me confused. How can something be boring yet wonderful? How can it make you sleep, yet you love it?
The thing with Spider being on Pandora is explained at the start. He was a baby when the humans left and they weren’t able to put him into cryo because of that
It still doesn't make any sense. He needs an infinite stache of oxygen tanks to be able to breathe, and apparently no respirator ever broke on him in 15 years despite him spending his time being a bad charicature of Tarzan.
I like how quaritch almost seems to be slowly losing his connection to humanity as time passes. He doesn’t see himself is truly being the same guy his memories were cloned from, he sees how he dies and only really sees the frailty of his former self from how easily he crushes his own skull, and he even seems rather disinterested with why humanity is space whaling space whales for immortality juice. By the end the only compassion he only shows is for his son Spider who while saving his life rejects him. It makes me wonder if he’s planned to have a jake sully moment in a hypothetical third film where he chooses to fight for the blue people in the end
@@aygwm Jake Sully? I’d have to disagree, I think there’s more to him than people give credit, but he’s not the most complex character either. There’s nothing wrong with a simple character. Some of people’s favourite characters are relatively simple all things considered. The terminator, Rambo, Batman, these characters in both concept and in action are rather one dimensional, but they’re still good characters
@@t.b.cont. Did you have a stroke and forget everything about Rambo and Batman? Neither one is as one dimensional as Jake Sully; he's such a placeholder it's not even funny. Every single aspect of his character is as bland as possible. "I want legs again." Gets legs. "I don't want to be cartoonishly evil." Becomes the "white savior" trope while in blueface casually murdering all his former colleagues. "I love and protect my family." Proceeds to love and protect his family. We don't even get him acknowledging that humanity is fucking doomed without Pandora because "Nah, I'm blue now. Fuck the people who had the bad luck not to be born the right species for me to care." He never sees his dead twin brother in the spirit tree or has any lasting internal conflict over leaving the tree people to fend off the military "They got this, that guys like a leader and stuff, there's no way they'll die horribly or fail to come together under an untested Chief." He monologued as he potentially dooms them all so he can hide in "Definitely not Samoa." He is a cardboard cutout that someone paid millions of dollars to hire and took 13 years to write nothing interesting for.
I can see him going native. There was all the stuff about learning the language and bonding with the flying monster. I bet he makes out with that tree at some point.
Dude, a Disney plus show about the adventures of Jake and Neytiri over that 10 year gap would have been perfect to get us interested and vested into the characters. A lot of the issues with the plot of the movies would have been overlooked on Disney plus
@@owyemen9367 It really does remind me of the plummet in quality the Final Fantasy series took. "Look at how pretty 13 is!" "Yeah, but I have no choices to make, little control, an auto-pilot, and terrible characters."
You want to know what the most unbelievable part of the movie was for me? The fact that no matter what they were doing, no matter how fast things are moving or how hard they are fighting, the female blue aliens chest coverings never fall off or get damaged.
SPOILER ALERT: So, did anyone besides me notice how in the final battle the water tribe just magically disappears during the battle? Despite their princess daughter not being rescued in safety yet? Literally watching, and watching jake and gamora attack the ship and all that ots epic. But where was the water tribe army? That scene was awesome, but would have been a lot easier if they had 50 others with them?!?
Jake had to learn the hard way to not trust the water tribe, they're the ones that convinced the fire nation to attack the air temple in the first place.🙃
Along with the deus ex whale who was just chilling until the boat compeletely sank instead of helping our heroes escape it. But yes, exactly my thoughts. Although I wouldn't call the final combat scene "epic" per se. "Video game" would be a more accurate description: They stealth their way through the sinking boat, all enemies they kill die without a sound or reaction from their pals, the "thoughest soldiers of the army" who made but the evil Avatars fell just as easily as any human grunt both here and back in the jungle, and everybody conveniently walked by the fact that most humans on the boat were whalers, not actual soldiers, against an ex-marine and his amazon wife who are both 3 times as big and strong as a human. Even Quarich didn't put up that much of a fight. And literally none of the native people except the plot device son were killed in the final battle. In this regard Cameron was braver in the first Avatar movie, where the casualties mounted on both sides and the humans actually came pretty close to winning until mother nature showed up. Here it's just two people with a disproportionate advantage in combat killing essentially working class people and a few soldiers who are useless anyway.
Thats another point! Half if not most of the humans were fisherman?!? Like i get they were kinda hijacked by the small military group. But after a certain point wouldn’t the whalers draw s line. “No mr giant blue man, i will not chase innocent native children in my crab suit ???” Or “hey we are under attack by 50 native people, and all we have harpoons and fishing poles, im going to leave now and/or surrender. Im not a soldier” But nope. Theyr shooting concussion bombs at 15 yr old kids?!?! The fishermen were! Not the soldiers!!
A movie doesnt need to be perfect or have some complicated plot and complex story telling to be special, the simplest things in life are often the most enjoyable.
my favorite character is the scientist man who gets to be the "sympathetic human" because he's a scientist who talks about how much better the whales are compared to humans but also is tasked with narrating the whaling operation for the audience for some reason, and then manages to escape being decapitated but is still presumed dead!
That part where he mocked the whaler saying "who has the harpoon now" was actually mind boggling to me... HELLO you are on the same ship, why are you mocking the guy who is fighting the whale thats trying to kill you all?
@@luryknadel Yeah, worst character in the movie. Way worse than Spider. Grace in the first movie knew that her research was funded by the mining work, but it was much more morally gray than this whaling operation. (By the way, Japan, Norway and Canada still do whaling, but they do it for the meat.)
I watched a video on Avatar some time ago by Pilgrim's Pass. He pointed out that the movie could have benefited from some historical realism to give the humans more depth. The scenario he outlined was essentially a Halo crossover in which Master Chief is fighting against the Na'vi only to protect the human mining operations because the mineral (he referred to it as up-uranium) is desperately needed to bolster humanity's defense in the war against the Covenant. I like it as a concept because it gives the antagonists of the film a sympathetic motivation. You could even have scenes in which the human marines regret the fact that they need to fight these hapless natives when the real war is being fought elsewhere.
I mean they already have a good hook in the fact earth is fucked and Pandora is the only habital planet they know they can reach. That already is a good morally complex scenario, Yes they do evil but if it is necessery for humanities survival then what else are they suppose to do? That should be focused on as humanities reason for evil rather then just plain greed. It is boring when such a simple reason repeats.
Spider is currently the most important and interesting character imo. It all depends on how they do the third movie. The dynamic between “father memory clone” and son estranged on a world that would kill him can be the most interesting story told in a while. And I know a lot of people hate his dialog, but you got to remember this is a 2bil movie. They didn’t just say “hey just make up the dialogue as we go along” no, they carefully wrote him that way. Like I said this all hinges on how he’s handled in the next movies, but he’s the one I am most excited to see develop. Same with the general. Dude was a killer slapped into a different body, is he gonna stay the mad killer? Is he gonna have a change of heart brought on by the son that’s not even technically his but he just thinks it is?!? So interesting and so excited to see where it goes. Or it could go no where and it was a waste of potential. 🤷♂️
While Spider turned out to be less annoying that I thought he would be (going by the trailers), the biggest problem with him is how he got there. Like are there other human children that were sired on Pandora? Who was his mother?
Haven't seen the movie, but it's hard to imagine a situation where the technology and resources that would allow us to fully establish ourselves in an alien planet and emigrate there en masse couldn't more easily be used to fix Earth or rework civilization to cope with the changes.
Everytime I see an arrow go through a canopy i just go 'what' modern day canopies can ping a 50cal shot. Yet a big whale can ping an explpsive tipped harpoon. Come on james.
I finally got around to seeing this today, wrote up my own short recap and rushed over to see what The Drinker had to say. I had the (almost) exact same reaction. Cameron is a demanding and skilled filmmaker working with the best toys to create a reason for movie lovers to get away from their big screens and back into the theaters, but the plot and dialogue are just difficult to deal with. The "kids-are-in-danger" trope is played out and this film uses it as a catalyst for an action scene 3 times!
“James Cameron doesn’t do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron, is James Cameron.” -James Cameron.
Went to see the movie with my wife and we both enjoyed the movie a lot. for us is was great and worth going to see in theaters. The part I preferred was the family dynamics. I can't remember the last block buster movie where there was a family unit with the male doing the father figure a female doing the mother figure and it all working together to complete each other to keep together the family unit. All the scifi and world building was great but not the main thing.
Avatar movies were never about story, charcters, dialogue or storytelling. It was about Pandora. The world itself is what Cameron wants to show us. Everything else acts as a vehicle for us to explore Pandora. I don't think anyone believes that cameron can't write a gripping and tight script with sound dialogue. Its just he doesn't want to over complicate things which would compromise our experience of the world. That 'teen drama' served as an excellent vehicle to explore the oceans of pandora through the eyes of navi children who had never experienced the water world. I think he outdid himself in making us experience the way of water through the eyes of navi compared to the first movie where it was through the lens of humans. No one is going to theatres to watch Avatar for its interesting characters, plot, villans or dialogue. Its to rekindle the joy of experiencing Pandora and that he has perfectly delivered in his latest movie.
His best movie involved Arnold saying like 50 total words which were just dated catchphrases that contribute nothing to the plot. He makes revolutionary looking movies for the time which blow audiences away. Why i hated avatar 2. Cartoon cgi was terrible.
I loved it. Watched it in 3D with my nephew. My nephew is usually, quite literally "bored" all the time, but with Avatar, he was all in. We're planning to watch it again this coming weekend.
Loved the focus on fatherhood in Avatar 2. It had great traditional themes like honor, family, trust, bravery, etc. Way better than most modern garbage. I don’t mind the environmental angle. There is some truth in it.
I wasn’t attached to the kids because they got introduced at the start of the movie. It’s like. No character development before their end Also wtf was the family idea? Felt more like a military unit
It’s sad this movie took 12 years to make! I would have expected the tightest script of all time. Especially since James Cameron said he had the scripts written 10 years before the first one was released! So did they not revise a 22 year old script?
I actually don't hate Spider saving Quartich in the end. it makes sense because of what he has been seeing and how Quartich let Kiri go for him when Neyteri threatened Quartich to kill his son for the death of her own son. I was really surprised to see Spider not going with Quartich after that. Can he really trust his adopted family after that?? I would love to see how this changes Spider and how it can make for a compelling story if used properly. Spider's loyalty towards his adopted family who for the most part do care for him (Like Jake and the kids) and the father who surprisingly cared for him and who he had started to create a bond with (Quartich)
they all seemed to ignore that fact that natiri or what ever just threatend to kill spider and looked crazy enough todo it.... Seems alot got added in last min. Also visualy seemed like alot of effort was put into the first 10-20 min then they gave up on quality control after that. Seems very rushed. For me nothing happened in this film.... for an ocean full of life it seemed barron and didnt spend alot of time. Would have made more sense for the humans to have comeback but tried mineing underwater and the goal being to stop destroying the ocean enviroment not stop them fishing.....
Hmm, tough choice. On the one hand, you have your family who adopted you that you've known for over a dozen years that love you and only ever killed the bad guys. Or The bad guys, one of whom just happens to be your birth father... kind of.
All I have to say is that my only problem is the length of the movie. For sure that I couldn't careless about the teenage drama that we have seen a million times. But it's funny that I didn't have issues like that growing up. Bottom line the movie made me smile multiple times. And with all the really bad writing of today's Hollywood story makers I am glad that they didn't screw this up completely.
yeah I saw Avatar 2 yesterday and I really liked it! It felt like the movie was like 3 hours long but overall I loved the movie, the characters and the theme. I knew even if the movie was bad, I would still love it because the first Avatar movie is hands down my favorite movie ever.
I saw two flaws; It felt like it could have been half an hour shorter and still be the exact same movie, and Sigourney Weaver being casted as a teenager was extremely distracting. A big plus is you can see on screen that its a product of love, instead of just bitter cynicism. It really look like a passion project, and I enjoyed it just for that.
Why the people in this channel like to adopt the drinker's way of speak, you just used a lot of the phrases he usually uses and most people in this section do that too... Maybe I'm getting crazy... Oh well go away now XD
they handled the stakes really well for this movie. i sat there wondering who was it that was gonna die. the older brother dying was well done. it was his duty to protect his younger brother even though the younger brother didnt see him as his brother . it tied in well with what jake sully said about it being a fathers duty to protect his family and his son carrying out that same will of protecting family at all costs was masterful honestly
I think you best sum up how I feel about this film. Great visuals, but subpar story and script. Movie runs at least 30 minutes too long and could have been cut to two hrs or at most 150 minutes. I definitely agree James Cameron rehashed the same story line from the first movie and shows no real reason why this movie should exist other than to make more money.
I believe that the story in the Avatar films are the excuse to explore this world Cameron has invented. Basically, Pendora came first, and the story is used as a reason to explore the various aspects of this world, similar to how Tolkien invented the languages of Middle-Earth first, then wrote the story after. Personally, I’m fine with the simple morality tale with character that aren’t necessarily the most developed, but that I can get behind because I understand where they are emotionally and they are still fighting to achieve peace in their lives. And, bonus, the film wasn’t bogged down with “The Message”.
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Yes, I feel as if the movies are made for their visuals, story comes second. The story brings out specific emotions to help amplify the effects that the visual produce. The entire thing is setup to make you envoy and admire the visuals, and in my opinion these are some of the best I’ve seen, just stunning.
Unless you consider preachy environmentalism as just a different message. And Tolkien spent years and years fleshing out his world in his notes, before he started writing for publication. He really nailed it down. Cameron made shit look cool and...that's it. I've seen porn rendered in Blender that had thought put into it.
What personality did the queen exactly had? Trying to kill Ripley? Laying down eggs? Anything else? You are just trying to be funny or something buddy... Or you just try to ride the cool "hating Avatar" wave. In the first Avatar the humans had different personalities. Sure, it's not GoT or Godfather or whatever you like, but they did.
@@janmajer4662 ah yes, personalities such as The Woman soldier #1 or Soldier avatar #2, of course honourable mention to the Corporate Manager #1 from scene 10 or the Weird Heroine Fiance that has alot of fanfiction written about
@@janmajer4662 Care for her soldiers, her eggs, conflict on whether or not to endanger her life to go after Ripley or stay back and just count her loses
@@janmajer4662 You kidding? Despite being a giant, biomechanical insectoid with no eyes but a lot of fangs and claws, you could tell that she was a mother caring for her offspring: Ripley even managed to threaten her by simply pointing a flamethrower to ONE of her many eggs. And she let out a giant scream every time one her drones got blown to pieces. That's a lot of personality for what was supposed to be a movie monster.
Okay fine... Something you could say about Avatar, is that the Na'vi basically live in an eco-theocracy of sort. Where religious leaders, like Neytiris mother are holding the highest authority in society and the will of Eywa has to be respected, no matter what. Some lore material reveals, that one reasons why the humans are hated, is because they broke the "three sacred laws of Eywa" and therefore were at first seen as blasphemers by the Na'vi
@@lightningboltt5437 I'm not entirely sure what way you mean that, but not really in the movie. They were a step up from cartoon villains overall. It's just kinda contrived how things turned out and it was basically down to Jake's selfishness.
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Although i agree with your points but i have to say i enjoyed my time in the theater. I would recommend anyone who loves movies to see it there's just something about it. Its like going to a Theme park
Everytime SpiderBoy spoke, I went out of the immersion of the movie. Just like how Hermione pulls you out of the immersion every time she speaks in the Harry Potter movies.
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I never thought James Cameron could make a movie even more blue than the first, but here we are.
Just wait until the third one about the air Navi
I'm blue, dabba dee dabba da...
The man does love his blue tints, doesn't he?
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It’s not better it’s just as meh
James Cameron really knows how to make a sinking ship scene dramatic.
"Jack, I want you to draw me like one of your blue Na'vi girls."
I said that last night after leaving. He's got that art locked down.
Say what you want about Cameron, the guy knows how to film an action spectacle. Terminator, Aliens, Terminator 2, True Lies, etc. The naval battle was pretty legit.
@@thealcohologist8624 if 2021 gave us Drinker doing a best and worst for Nolan for Tenet and 2022 is the one for cameron with Avatar 2, is 2023 giving us another one for a legacy director?
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I'm a bit surprised by how little I see people talk about Kiri's epilepsy/connection with the Great Mother that feels like total loose end, or at least underdeveloped. I thought that in 3 hours I could see this story get really well rounded out.
I was disappointed they never admitted who the father was cause 13 years from now I'm not gonna remember the plot
@@AnonYmous-mk4mmthere's no father or mother
She's Grace born again with Eywa's help
@@AnonYmous-mk4mmI will at least give the film credit for having characters therein actually _discuss_ the issue, even if from a juvenile teenage perspective of "lol, I bet your dad was Norm (sorry, can’t remember that guy’s name), lmao!"
But then I have to take some credit back because in the exact same scene they discuss Spider’s dad, but don’t mention his mother, which raises question about who _she_ was…
@@AnonYmous-mk4mm My interpretation was that there isn't supposed to be a father and it's more of a "Virgin Mary had a Jesus" situation, with Eywa being the "god" that makes it happen.
They are pretty much setting her up to be Navi-Jesus who brings balance to the Force and probably ends up dying to bring the warring tribes of Humans and Navi together.
If nothing else, you gotta give it credit for not trying to "subvert expectations" or "deconstruct the genre" or be spiteful to its target audience or anything like that. In fact, just the fact that it went for a simple, if dated, kind of moral and was made with some passion was pretty refreshing.
Give it credit for literally copying the same cliche story of every movie made in the last 100 years? Sure. I'd rather it have not been made at all if that were the only options.
Idiotic , boring & dumb. It is a shame on the 1st movie that was entertaining.
@@jase276 You may be right, but let's be real. It not being made was most certainly not an option because:
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@jase276 I know you hate strong father figures but hopefully one day you'll find one. It might help change your attitude.
@@jase276 Hasn't been a very used story line in the last 2 decades, wdym
Jake Sully: "Didn't you die to Neytiri's arrows?"
Colonel Quaritch: "Sadly yes... BUT I LIVED!"
Fun answer, unfortunate that your responses are filled with bots.
@Vince Lumontad Yeah, pretty much! 🤣
"Then she turned me into a newt!
...I got better."
Quaritch coming back from the dead was really bad ass.
Quatrich to Neytiri
"I owe you one death"
I still struggle to understand how humanity in the Avatar universe has the ability to bioengineer lifeforms, and make them genetically compatible with the base species, yet making an Earth lifeform capable of cleaning up/eating pollution or just modifying humans to be more tolerant to the new conditions is apparently impossible.
Because keeping Earth habitable was never their goal. The group on Pandora doesn't represent humans on Earth, they're all from that one corporation. Basically this universe's Weyland-Yutani, and they were all about bringing a live xenomorph to earth for study/weaponization and later profit. (The one line from the general about needing to subdue the natives is just that one general, and we don't have anyone else saying things different from Earth-side, and one would think the human pro-Navi staff still in this film would have some contact back home.)
If you look at what the base focus is for each movie. Avatar is more of a film series against corporate profit-chasing really. The first film was all about unobtanium, meant for powering starships more cheaply/or to be sold for profit. This new film has a main focus on the anti-aging goo from the whales, which the guy said was now the main source of funding for the entire Pandora human expedition. That's just human vanity and greed.
I think the main point of the overall story has been, even though humans have supposedly royally fucked up Earth with these behaviors. They still haven't learned. Plop them in any new paradise and unless their underlying motivations change, they're going to destroy any new "eden" they find or make for themselves with the same old greed for money. I'm hopeful it's some version of this where a third film, if we get one, is going, not for everyone to go all flower-child, but maybe we actually need to see more from Earthside, than this militarized corporation saying they're speaking for Earth.
@@Stothehighest "Avatar is more of a film series against corporate profit-chasing really."
Lmao. I really want to know how they justify to themselves spending so much money making these movies.
The whale extract also seemed contrived, like they can create avatars but can't replicate the immortality extract? I felt they could have come up with a better reason to hunt them.
Because "Science".
Because understanding Earth ecology and all the connections is beyond our capabilities, maybe even in the future. I can compare it to Global Warming - it's in motion and it have tipping points beyond which damage would be unrecoverable or unstoppable like melting an iceberg - even when we restore the correct temperature, it will still melt, because it went down the slope and is under optimal temperature condition height. So - You can clean the the pollution, but by the time You do this life will already die or adapt, so you end up with... empty, carbonic acid tank, empty dusty wastelands. How our bioengineering is going? We have some successes with GMO, but we also have bioengineered mosquitos that was causing sterility in future generation, but it turned out that mosquito ladies somehow learned to avoid them. I think making genetic compatible species is not going to be hard to Synthetic Biology as soon as we learn how to make complex organisms, since you just build from already known principles and DNA. I'm just enthusiast, so if we have a scientist in the room, i have no problem with clearing the floor with my words if I learn something new :D
I went to the theater without expecting much in the way of storytelling and enjoyed it. Some scenes surprisingly succeeded in delivering some emotional points too, on occasion. The visuals blow any CGI from this year out of the water when it comes to realism and believability, and the artistic direction is more clear-cut and coherent than the first movie. I suspect it would kinda fall apart upon a rewatch, especially outside of the theater, but I didn't feel the long runtime and I didn't feel like I wasted money.
Agreed.
I agree with you, it felt like 2 hours instead of 3. Also don't DM that guy lol
This, in a nutshell. It's fantastic filler, meant to be watched once, on as large a screen as you can find, and looked at as a set piece. That being said, if even a percent of the time spent on the visuals had been spent on the narrative and dialogue, it (and the first one, to be honest) could have been so much more even than they were.
Were you on ecstasy?😂
The story was bad and cliché
I couldn't get over the fact that 4 of the 6 soldier avatars were killed in the beginning (one was literally shot in the face) when Jake was rescuing his kids but in the next few scenes they're scene leaving the area perfectly fine
I noticed that too!
yeah that made no sense, the sea people also disappeared in last battle with no explanation, guess they just went home lol
@@slvrshore5300Yh 😂I was wandering were they went to
@@honuswagner9348Yh but I thought that was a different set of aliens
"Na'vi are constantly portrayed as perfect"
Actually I was happy to see Na'vi jerks in this one. The water tribe chief's wife and kids outright call Jake's family halfbreeds with demon blood, and said kids lead Jake's son out into the deep ocean, apparently to be lost at sea. Meanwhile the Chief's wife gets called to treat Jake's daughter and seeing humans trying to tend to her immediately tries to use it as an excuse to leave.
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Yes exactly this. We are starting to see Navi that are outright racist and are literally trying to kill one of their own. And this is just the beginning, I am excited to see what kind of immoral Navi will be shown in the next movie, but this "Navi are constantly portrayed as perfect" is and will never be the case again.
@@delimelone Compared to how the humans/villains in the movie are portrayed, the small number of flaws doesn't even compare. They are perfect conceptually, the 'flaws' presented in this movie are gone by the end when they work together with JakeSully to defeat 'The Humans' with nobility and bravery. Once again it is the same trope characterization, just with a lighter shade of blue and a different ecosystem.
What they did was attempted murder.
They were never perfect, at least in this one we don't have to wait for the extended cut. Navi were always racist and destructive to the environment, they just don't have the capacity for either that humans do in that timeline.
I will never understand how they can spend MILLIONS on special effects but only offer pocket change on writing the script???
@@secret5017 shutup you silly bots
I feel u bro
It is hard to be a creative writer and high on drugs at the same time.
Lemmings cannot handle any more complex story. They have no capability to discern the overwhelming plot-holes which should be seen as insulting to the viewer.
Bruh ain’t writing free? How much could that possibly cost plus it’s Cameron’s vision even if you don’t personally like it he achieved what he was going for
I think he tried to make the bad guy more believable, instead of the evil bad guy.
He tamed the flying thing like Jake.
He cared for spider, so he stopped the torture and he let the kid go because he didn't want Spider to get killed.
Maybe he should have tried a little harder....
@@Real_MisterSir yeah maybe he should 😅
Bs, honestly. Him taming the beast was just a pissing contest he got goaded into by a kid, no less. And let's be honest, we knew the entire time he wasn't going to change his nature. This whole scourge was begun over his petty need for revenge, not for the betterment of mankind. Yeah, he stopped the torture alright, but then set the entire village on fire. He was always evil, Spider is just incredibly stupid for caring for him. Like, his goal is to find the Sullys and kill them, why tf is he helping him so much and acting all friendly? Then when he meets up with them again he's like "oh hey, wassup guys" like nothing happened. Then, after his childhood friend dies he still helps the guy. If anyone says 'Stockholm syndrome' I'm clocking them
He's been killed 1 1/2 times in two movies. Obviously in Part 6 he'll have his "epiphany" moment and do a Darth Vader rehab. Remember in 2053 you saw it here first!
Well, developing your character from "General Bad Guy" to "General Bad Guy but he cares for his son" isn't exactly a massive step
The craziest part of Avatar 2 for me was how much it felt like it was all set up for something that didn't come. Spider's relationship with his dad, the hostage scene, the stroke, humanity trying to colonize. Everything seemed like it was setting up for much more than what the end of the movie gave that it feels like it was either meant to be longer or to be the first in a long series like Starwars, but at the same time the painted simplicity of humans bad gives the feeling that any sequel wouldn't be much fleshed out.
All in all, I think we'll all find out in Avatar 3: The fall of Earth
Its being set up to be the 3rd film, there will be 3 more of this
@@fredy2041 That we know of
My issue with the 3rd act is it felt like they kept leaving the ship, and getting back on, then leaving the ship, then getting back on...
Yeah, I can see that. We're getting away - oh no, we forgot someone, better go back x3. But then again, as an ADHD person, just leaving the house I end up going back and forth multiole times as I keep forgetting things XD and with so many family members in the middle of a frantic battle, I could believe it XD
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Yh, and the daughters got captured non-stop
Yes, and Jake & Neytiri are freaking out when WATER - the thing they spent the entire movie learning to adapt to - slowly sinks the ship. Don't they have like 20 minutes before they need air? Did they learn nothing? The ending would make more sense if Jake's entire family watched Quaritch drown while mouthing the words "Way of the WATER, BEaaatch!".
Man, this film annoyed the crap out of me.
The boat is sinking. Get back to the boat
One of the better tactics for these films is just to enjoy the visuals and let the plot just act as a background detail.
yes but if the movie has no story dont make it fkn 3 hours long
But just like critical said, the length makes the visuals lack substance. I saw this in imax and about an hour and a half in, I was bored of the visuals
@@LouisianaPwnsUrMom sheeple
@Fabian It did, it's a story about how reef people live or their culture, Jake's family and kids, and revenge for the old dude. I think you only think of it as simple.
I enjoy letting BOTH become background details.
The ‘new character turns out to be the secret child of the previous villain’ is such a cliche element and it’s always followed by said character sitting alone depressed before being joined by someone who was previously hurt by that villain and the kid saying “am I like them?” And the other person smiling and saying “you’ve got a good heart, you’re nothing like them” 🙄
4:27 - man, you aren't kidding! During that interminable chunk of the movie, someone says, "The Way of Water has no end." And I literally thought to myself, "It sure f*cking seems so!"
Just finished watching the movie and your just right 😂it wasn’t bad though
When I heard Jake Sully say "A father's job is to protect his family" I knew it was gonna be at least better than the marvel shitfests.
Amen bro
I thought "A father's job is to protect his family " is " The Message " that viewers of Drinker would want in movies. But then, looking at the comments, it seems this is too " Woke" for some people.
@@chriscorben-green2640 the logic at this point is that “woke” simply means “anything I don’t like”. The differences in the behaviors of the ultra “woke” and the anti-“woke” become less distinctive by the day.
Better than a lot of the recent Marvel movies, not a lot of the best ones from Phases 1 to 3.
A lot better than America Chavez with two mothers. And they say *I'm* a science denier.
The heavy importance of family in the least Vin Diesel way possible was my favorite part. They trusted one another, and weren’t belittling each other constantly like every single other thing made nowadays. Dad was dad, mom was mom, and the kids were kids. For sure too long though.
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i don't think it was too long, the thing went by in a fly
The Pacifier was funny though, but I hear ya.
#kaosnova
Yeah it was good to see a classic Family again. It so diluted in cinema and shows nowadays. Felt refreshing for it to just... Be...
Even though it was long me and my girlfriend literally didn't feel the length. It was so good! She usually falls asleep at every movie we watch 🙄 but this was engaging and epic throughout
@@benjamynhazelton1162 "Even though it was long me and my girlfriend literally didn't feel the length." - phrasing?
the really complicated part is that they put *tons* of effort into the lore of Avatar for the first movie (there's literally a book that was put out, & a wiki that goes over pretty much every detail... they even created a new language & music (though they didn't use the music in the end)), but then they ended up with a debatably formulaic plot
Cameron made Terminator and Aliens I dont care how many terrible movies he does after I am just thankful for those 2. Bad movies are just like traffic noise at this point
Overall a 7/10 for me. "A father protects his family", that was a really good message. Yeah there were parts that felt like they could have used trimming or at least a better screenplay, and there were some obvious retcons, but I did enjoy the film. I actually liked the teen drama stuff as well. Eventually movies and moviemakers will figure out how to make 3 hour+ movies with perfect pacing, we'll get there eventually. The soundtrack and visuals were amazing as well.
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that's way too much. it's 5-6 at most, visuals we're pretty and pacing not bad but that's all. the story was filled with pretty much every cliché from bad guys missing every cliché to bad guy making stupid decisions over and over
"A father protects hia family" as supposed to what
The perfect pacing has been done already. You should check out the Fellowship of the Ring.
@@Obese_Pterodactyl Indeed although I meant in the context of longer movies becoming mainstream, not just exceptions like the pinnacle of modern cinema that is LOTR.
Fun tidbit, Lucas DID have a few editors on the set of the prequels that challenged some of his decisions. Lucas then, in his own words from a behind the scenes interview, "had to let them go"
He almost did the same thing for Duel Of Fates. Too many yesmen and a big ego.
"I may have gone too far in a few places..." said James Cameron never.
@secret5017 The secret of air frying potatoes? What the hell?
I see where people called prequels self indulgent but honestly kinda on long reflection, I think Lucas deserved to have some crazy characters or ideas too. Some of his plot ideas where ass but random crap like 50s diners with alien line chefs speaking in Brooklyn accents are funny to me now.
@@patrioticcat5768 Was "Duel of the Fates" going to be "The Rise of Skywalker"? Lucas had nothing to do with that one.
Cameron is a helluva pioneer in cinematic technology... but for the love of God, he paints his scripts with an extension roller. Heavy-handed, cliché, preachy, without an ounce of subtlety or cleverness. He's a sharp director, but a completely blunt and dulled out writer.
It's almost hard to believe he wrote The Terminator, Aliens, and The Abyss.
True Lies had different writers, and T2 showed signs of his bad habits. Titanic is where his flaws really showed through. Derivative love story that takes up most of the more fascinating historical aspects of the famed travesty.
I liked the film but I 100% agree about Spider. The actor was bad and the character had just appeared out of nowhere for the sake of it and had little impact on the story. The things he did do, like save Quaritch's life, could have easily been changed and done a different way without Spiders involvement
I feel like you shouldn't forget that Spider is a child that grew without a father, in search of an identity. The colonel showed that he cared for him by releasing Kiri so that he wouldn't be killed, so for me, his decision at the end makes sense.
" in search of an identity"
would have been nice to actually see that and have it organically integrated into the story.
instead we have him loving life and getting on with the Na'Vi like he's one of them except for Neytiri for some reason who is a massive racist still even though she married and had kids with a human.
then he teaches the people trying to kill his family how to fly.
@@heliopyre Right? Tarzan did such a better job with Kerchak and the tribe treating him as an outsider. I also totally understand it just from a "heroic" standpoint, it's the "right" thing to do and from a "now we are even" point of view too because he saved him. That being said I would not be chill with Jake's family because his wife threatened to kill me, spider is most likely just a dipshit.
Peter-pan/Hook relation trying to be portrayed here, do you think ?
exactly. I told my sister I hated he decided to save him in the end and she replied "yeah, but he was raised by good people, so he did the right thing" .
I agree, it felt like despite not wanting to he started to see father figure in him during their journey. They both affected each other in the way they themselfes would not expect.
This looked and felt like an actual movie. And that by default makes it one of the few modern movies that is worth seeing in the theatres. The bar is so low 😔
Frrr
Its not a movie, its a cartoon
That's what they want, they want you to be ok with mediocrity. Don't give them your money for lazy attempts at making a story.
I actually quite enjoyed the movie. The visuals were stunning and the robotics used by the human population were extremely interesting to see. I had a good time.
@@piotrwillow6440 fuck off, cartoons are way better than most modern cinema nowadays
My favourite part of the film was the scene where Neytiri was on the sunken ship, covered in blood, breathing hard, almost feral, having just butchered a bunch of bad guys and Spider was too scared to even show himself to her. It reminded me of the scene in T2 where Sarah breaks out of prison. James Cameron really is a master of protreying strong women.
Dude I totally agree. That's the only scene that I actually watched back after the movie ended. So sick.
James Cameron is oddly better at writing women. Even though overall his writing is on the cheese and actionhero-y side.
Despite it being the most predictable thing ever: neyteri, spider and quaritch’s relationship and one character death make the last scene a little less simple happy ever after than the first film (hence sequel set up.)
And i would say there was again a human population that were good. The marine biologist on the whaler team was oddly amusing, i wish we had more of him as he clearly hated everyting he was doing but was going along with it cause he needed the money for his research.
Still want to know why they gave him a hokey American accent when his Australian counterpart got to remain Australian. My guess is that to foreign ears Australian and NZ accents are the same. To my ears I can tell the difference, like when some of the child Na’vi extra slip back into their NZ accents, lmao.
Spyders last act made 100 percent sense to me. The colonel had saved his life when natiri had a knife to his throat so he saved the colonels life in return. What had me wondering wtf is how spyders just gonna live as part of natiris family now but they aren’t gonna say a word about how she was about to kill him 15 minutes previous?
The movie isn't an intellectual one, but people are having a hard time connecting all the different nuances and just say MoViE bAd! Colonel showed Spyder that he cared about him in the last act, so Spyder returned the favor. Simple as that. People want a unique story and then get mad when characters do unexpected but understandable things.
Edit: I think people are also forgetting that Colonel is the one that let Spyder out of the interrogation room and back into the forest. Spyder was also impressed at his father's ability to wrangle the flying creature without a harness or a muzzle, so Spyder clearly has some respect for his father. Those two moments alone served as pseudo-bonding moments between them. Far more interesting than a cliche bonding moment between father and son.
@@alexanderkempf9828 the movie blows
Just imagine how f***** the family dynamic is with that ending though. Natiri constantly treats spyder like trash and then holds a knife to his throat all for the human people to leave and act like none of that happened? Dude he’s gotta have a family dynamic where his adopted mother hates him and adopted father only loves him because he feels bad for him.
I’m putting way too much thought into this whole spyder living with natiri thing now. James Cameron obviously didn’t.
@J they’re making it real easy for spyder to grow up and be the avatars version of the joker. Almost makes me feel as if spyder would’ve been better off with the colonel.
One of the finest examples of "see it in theaters or don't see it at all." The spectacle of this movie, delivered on a huge screen with a massive sound system, is enough to prop up its weaker elements and keep it entertaining-- though I will admit to checking my watch a few times during the second act. That said, I doubt I will ever rewatch it in its entirety.
Ain’t worth it, then.
Time is non-renewable.
So you are saying I should watch it at home using a VR headset and the IMAX app right? Much cheaper than going to an IMAX cinema for sure
Yeah I found myself checking the time as well, I do feel the second act could have been shorter.
I agree on your last part, checking the time or having the urge to check the mobile phone for something interesting was definetely the case. I must sadly admit that I was not fascinated enough by the visuals and sound to stay entertained in cinema. I get the point that many say it may be the only way to watch this movie, but it made me so angry (due to the length, that was unnecessary) that I stick to the opinion that this movie is not a must-watch
I would in Imax
At least Cameron had a somewhat in-universe explanation for bringing back Cpt Quidditch, unlike some other main bad guy I could think of that fell in a hole, exploded and then exploded again.
Ok, but it's still bad. The only reason they brought him back was because the actor that played the colonel was damn cool and easily and by far the most charismatic character in the first movie.
So they tought they'd do ctrl-c ctrl-v for the second movie, only that they didn't realize that in his navi form he's just another elongated smurf just like everyone else and has zero stand out traits and charisma.
Oh and there's also the big plot hole of them trying to portay his death as a big deal, when they can literally implant his consciousness into an infinite number of navis, so why would one of the copies dying be a big deal.
Great review! The whole story line just felt so simple, like something from a children's book...and I personally am growing so weary of the 'humanity=cancer' trope..I mean why in the hell would we land a ship on a planet when we knew the resulting splash from the thrusters would burn hundreds of acres of perfectly usable forest?...no one in thier right mind would do that, and that's just one of many examples of just on the nose painting of humanity as evil in this movie
Yeah, I agree with you on this...burning all that forest was unnecessary, however, I thought the ships thrust used as brakes to slow down in space was awesome. Quite realistic, more so than in most other SF movies.
I think the thrust burning the forest is realistic especially when we know primary succession will colonize the already damaged land, it's not something that was intentional but it needed to happen
It makes sense if you want to cultivate the land and make farm land
We live in a world where the reviews are more anticipated than the movies. Let that sink in.
EDITED TO ADD: "Letting other people think for you." Yet here you are. Also, some people have wasted so much money on absolute shite that they are a little jaded, that's all. If none of that applies to to you, coo. No need to troll.
Not surprised.
Holy shit. Your right. I didnt watch tjis movie and i probably wont but i was lookinf forward to the drinkers opinion on it!
The movies released since 2010s has made the 80s look good in comparison
@@RockSmithStudio It might go further back than that. Older movies did not have the distractions today so they could focus on the story and people, and message? what message?
Yeah, because for people who can’t think for themselves, being told what to think about something without even experiencing it is like a drug.
This is why everyone should be weary of op-ed channels like the Critical Drinker. This guy literally makes a living off of telling people what they shouldn’t like months before ever experiencing it for themselves. He knows some hot take on some popular thing will keep bringing people back so they can keep being told it’s crap and it’s ruining their childhood or some shit like that.
I enjoyed this movie. One of the rare times a Fathers have been shown in a good light in recent movies
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I wouldn’t call him a good father, he lets his kids run off constantly and abandons his tribe leaving them leaderless to go put another tribe in danger…
Same, yeah the hippy environmentalist angle felt like something out of the nineties, but it was refreshing to see a flawed, but "strong enough" father in Jake Sully who tried his best for his family.
i enjoyed it too, some people are just too critical about movies, it entertained me and i escaped to another world for 3 hours, it got flaws yes but what movie doesn't.
You exaggerate
I always see it in media
For all the work they put into the visuals I still felt like I was gonna die in the theater
My dad said he liked the movie, just because of how it looked. I asked him about the plot, and he said I honestly cant remember. I think they had to shoot whales or something.
I ask him what the characters names are.
He said, "uh... Jake and blue chick, and his kids names are: "Dont Touch That", "Get back here" and "Why dont you listen?"
Did you shake your head slowly in despair after that? Knowledge really is a burden. If only everyone could see through all the lies and distractions the way keen-eyed hawks like yourself can, we could've had better stories. Alas, the world is full of sheep who can't see the truth, so we'll keep getting garbage like this film 😔😔 so sad 😔😔😔
FYI, those are the names of EVERY parent's kids.
cringe plot fan vs based visuals enjoyer
@@Golemoid Brainless visual NPC vs cultured critical thinker
@@nom6758my brother in Christ it’s a visual medium. Not saying the plot and screenplay aren’t crucial, but what separates a film from a book is the ability to lose yourself in the moving images you see on a screen.
The thing that annoyed me the most was when he repeatedly said, "I have your kids, come alone or I will shoot them" Not only does that happen multiple times but when it becomes obvious that Sully is going there to fight, he just forgets to shoot them. I am like why? You are supposed to be merciless, it's obvious that Sully will kill you so why not just shoot them?
In the last act, Neytiri and Sully team up and kill the remaining two Avatars (aside from the colonel) yet the colonel never kills the kids.
Ye it thats what i thought too, or that naitiri just could have killed the colonel from the back instead of taking spider
That whale should have waited until the hostage exchange was complete before starting the attack, too.
Quaritch hates Sully, but he still has a remaining moral character. He sees Jake as a traitor who must die, but he gets more and more moral qualms, especially seeing his own son among them.
So many people do not get Quarich. He's a Marine colonel. That means merciless to the ENEMY but a protector to those who need protection. He has honor and duty. He doe not let FEELINGS get in the way; but duty does not compel killing children. They might die anyway as collateral damage.
Additionally, in the last act why is it just the Sully family against Quarich? What happened to the like 80+ sea people that were already fighting that same battle earlier? Literally there was no mention of them, what they were doing, or why they left the Sully family to fight their own battle. Lazy writing.
"YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, BRO"? They actually say this word,, every ten minutes. Because they talk that way, on Pandora. Nah!
5:57 That is a great point. Watching clips of the film online - it looks majestic, and I think to myself, didn't it look like that when I watched it in the cinema. It did, but my brain got used to it and it loses its impact
I'm just blown away by the water simulations and physics they pulled off. Literally any time that you see the -smurfs- navi in the water, it's all 100% computer generated. The way the water drips off and lingers on things and the way things like cloth become saturated is insane.
Yep. Both Avatar movies were all about the cutting edge technology on display, with the story in third place behind making a neat world. Avatar has a mediocre at best story, but it was all about the spectacle of insanely new CGI and a cool world on display.
@p o p I don't like clicking on link if I don't know what it is. So, what's back?
That’s a backhanded compliment, if you are so hurt by the concept, why talk about the film at all? Why enjoy the visuals? Wtf is wrong with you?
@@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs Not really, the emotional through line of the story worked really well.
The scenes at the start of the ships landing and burning the forest were incredible.
"The teen drama stuff drags on for so long that the whole plot basically stops dead in the water"
I see what you did there.
As I was reading your comment he literally was saying what you wrote at the same time 😂😂😂
He didn’t do nothing. Just sometimes things happen. You are looking too much into it.
@@MasterBlaster3545 it's so obvious that he did something, that your comment is just sad.
That was so clever, I tipped my fedora to that line. Definitely gonna use that one, bc of how clever it was.
I SEA what you did there
Fixed it for ya
I don't understand how Spider was such a good swimmer at the end of the movie. He is a human, with an inferior body as the Navi have, and he never had the immense training in breath holding and swimming that the rest of his group did. Especially since he never had to swim before in his life, he probably never did, yet he somehow managed to keep up with them at the end.
He has an oxygen tank with him all the time so he didn't have to train breathing.
This is a five star review just because he didn’t say, “Hit that like button“ at the end! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
I feel awful for spider, his pretty much adopted mom goes insane and was willing to murder him, and then they just hug afterwards and it isn’t mentioned. Maybe they’re trying to set him up as a villain, but I wouldn’t blame him at this point.
I think it’s setup for the later movie(s) but yeah that was kinda crazy to not cover such a terrifying moment for him
How would he eat with the mask on, it was said that humans can breathe 10 seconds on Pandora
@@bijacz9679
I'm pretty sure they can be outside for more than 10 seconds.
There is a prequel comic called Avatar: High Ground which goes a bit deeper into Spider's childhood/lineage. The long and short of it is that Neytiri was *never* really onboard with adopting Spider, she was never his mother and he never even referred to her as such instead calling her Mrs.Sully. So the developments in the movie shouldn't be at all surprising to him as she has treated him coldly 8/10 times that he knew her. If anything he should've been apprehensive to begin with.
Spider is to Jon Snow as the mother is to Catelyn Stark.
My biggest gripe about this movie is that by this point in time, you'd think that the humans would have advanced in tech and started creating genetically enhanced Na'vi with marine brains downloaded into them, and geared in power armor to create their very own Space Marines. But no, they regressed in technology by having exposed stiltsuits, windshields that no longer block arrows, and armored TRAINS
Like, the World Wars showed us why armored trains are a bad idea
Yeah, the lack of improvement in technology broke my suspension of disbelief. Especially the windshields. They waited close to 20 years to come back and seems less prepared than before. Only their bigger number is making up for it.
@@davidlacoste Yeah, you’d especially think, after the events of the first movie, the military would make arrow proof glass.
Especially if they were doing something as important as preserving the human race.
Not to mention that the humans have these crazy advanced mech suits, but seem to have forgotten about things like predator drones that can bomb the cat people clear from the upper atmosphere.
@@youknowwhoelsecantthinkofagood The insurgents are hiding in the Hallelujah mountains, where compasses don't work, and where the alien life attacks anything human which enters.
Actually curious, what is so bad about armored trains?
@@Denominov Easy to derail. Very easy to derail.
Honestly the whale got more character development than some of the protagonists. Overall it had good visuals and decent chemistry between several of the characters, but it felt like it was an hour too long and the whole whaling sequence could have been cut down a lot while making the same point. I wasn't a fan of bringing back the same villain either as it cheapens his death in the first movie.
Also, I think the reason why Spider stayed on Pandora was because babies couldn't travel in cryogenesis or whatever tech they used for long distance travel.
I just saw it yesterday with my sister. We enjoyed the visuals, and the family dynamic was good, but yeah, it was definitely unnecessarily long 😅
Saw it last night, the visuals are insane. As for Spyder's last act, he is at the end of the day a kid, and I think it's the purity of heart that has him do that. It is very hard to see someone dying and not take action.
Honestly, if my adopted mom threatened to kill me without hesitation in front of the rest of my adopted family, and the only one who begged her to stop was my bio dad, I would've done the same thing. Only difference being I wouldn't have run back to them.
@@samiamtheman7379 it would be nice if he actually went with his dad
Sorry, but that's a stretch I'm just not willing to go along with. The story in this movie was terrible, and Spider saving Quaritch at the end was silly and stupid that only made it worse.
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@@eturn23 Quaritch saved Spider's life just a few minutes earlier, so Spider saved his in return. Makes sense to me.
The trope of, "Sully, I took your kids" occurred one too many times.
@Secret bro, holy shit that's the best thing I've ever seen!
So toska3528 and secret0517 are the same person and spamming how to make fries. I like the fact that I can queue a video (stupid air fryer potato wedges) and then remove it so I never have to watch the stupid thing.
The whole theatre laughed by the third time ong. In fact, the theatre laughed way more than it should've lmfao
Actually. It was enjoyable, cause the "contrivances" (as he puts it) are so comedic at times
If you go into it being serious you're not gonna have a good time. But I really enjoyed the movie, even with the sometimes silly plot
@@CYXNIGHT It's a movie that isn't out to say much besides having an environmental side message about taking care of nature. Which is exactly why I enjoyed the first and second one because it is just a simple, fun entertaining movie where you can just turn your brain off. If I want a complex movie I wouldn't go to James Cameron to look for one. :P
Everything in this movie was a trope done poorly. Like 20 tropes crammed into one
Why would the humans give the Avatar functional gonads?
Most cross-bred animals like mules and ligers are sterile, so it stands to reason the avatar bodies would be as well. Did the Avatar project scientists account for one of the users going rogue and banging a local?
It would have been a massive additional and unnecessary headache to have functional gametes in the avatar bodies so it seems incredibly stupid.
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Up next Avatar: The Strength of Earth and Avatar: the Fire Within 😆
You know they’re gonna go through the elements when they start with Air and go on to Water XD
As I've said many times before, Hollywood is in dire need of story editors.
Hollywood is in dire need of a carpet bombing.
3:03
"How exactly do they plan to colonise a planet where they can't even breathe the air without dying?
*DON'T KNOW* 🤷♂️"
Best and most hilarious part of the video
Yeah just like elon musk trying to colonise us on Mars where we can't live without space suits, right?
I assume he just carried the same logic from LV-426 in atmospheric processing, but not bothering to explain how....
@@chaitanya737No, not the same. We are not fighting against aliens while also trying to colonize a planet we can’t breathe on. Also, we don’t have to deal with a living sentient planet (plant) unlike in the movies.
Terraforming!
Its free real estate, don't question it.
My favourite part is where they went and fought alongside the Navi at the end, but when they came to the surface after being underwater it was only the Sully family left.
Where’d the rest of the Navi go?? The leaders had a daughter who was a hostage as well, but you seen them alive and well at the end. What happened? Did they just decide to call it a day and let the Sully’s handle it?
At first I was going to give the benefit of the doubt but then I remembered that ship was going down why didn't the rest of them come to help then
Yes this was my biggest problem with the movie and definitely the most obvious plothole. The leader of the Samoan Navi even said they wanted to kill all the people on that boat, but then they just disappeared before that happened?
@@FamousDave2186 Everyone I saw the movie with thought the same thing it was a huge oversight
The CGI team was limited due to the low amount of the aqua blue color left for the other Na'vis so they could not put them in more scenes.
Cameron said he deleted 10 mins of gun violence in that movie. I assume that's the scenes where the remaining Metkayina tribe was murdered by the RDA
Hey Drinker. You convinced me it's a good movie to watch! I dislike how short movies don't develop characters/personalities. Don't really have to have a character arc, just have to have cool personalities and interactions. Staying a good father is a heck of an achievement. I look forward to watching this.
I'm glad this piss poor excuse of a criticism of the movie's themes, character dynamics and world building didn't discorage you from having an interest in experiencing the movie and form your own criticism of it, hope you do enjoy it for what it is and the more subtle messages reach your conscious so that you can come out of the theater with an appreciation for the amazing planet we inhabit and for the concept of family and community, which in my opinion was done very well, the movie does have issues however the pros are more than the cons and possibly with the third installment of the franchise there's going to be more exploration and nuance of the less explored or poorly executed aspects of this movie. (Sorry for typing such a long comment 😅)
@@veganjotaro shhh you’re not supposed to say that now people are gonna act like you commit war crimes for defending the movie.
@@veganjotaro the movie sucked😂
The problem is, despite the extra time for developing characters, they don't really do anything with it...
@@jiji7250 the story is about as bad and cliché as it gets, get a clue
You really hit the nail on the head. Perfect assessment.
It's ironic that Cameron also directed Aliens, which is (in my opinion) the pinnacle of tight script and using each minute effectively.
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Also the Abyss is similar in that regard imo
@@randomly_random_0 while I don't think it's necessarily complex (also no one stated that it was lol) I don't think it's nostalgia making that film so good - objectively, it really is good; the atmosphere, the action, the theme, the set pieces - all quality that still hold up to today
@@randomly_random_0 Dude the alien universe shits on avatar lol
That's exactly how you should be describing The Terminator, the original and best one.
I'mma be real, I haven't watched a film in months, but I often come here to hear The Drinker talk about them. It's almost like a news report at this point. 😆
I’mma??💁
I haven’t been to a movie since End Game. 😂
Same here.
Fucking hell, uh... i.. think it's the same for me. I've just been watching series this whole time man.. Can't even remember the last time i watched a movie online this year.... if any..
Well, I actually saw this one and was bored af. But yeah all those shit shows like hulk woman or whatever it is called. I can't bring myself to watch it, but I love watch it burn with drinker commentary on top of that. Like his reviews are actually more entertaining that most of those shows.
Well, most humans may have been portrayed as evil in the first 2 Avatar films,
In Avatar 3:The Seed Bearer we may get to see evil Na' vi tribes that live near volcanoes.
By the way, Avatar: The Way of Water is amazing in 3D.
Yeah this echos my thoughts. I saw it today and the movie looks incredible and all that but the characters are just so simple. The over-the-top flawless natives and the over-the-top evil humans just had my eyes rolling. The movie could have been so much better with more relatable characters on both sides. I do like the family element but overall the story is rather flat. Also there's just too many characters. There is no reason for spider to even be in the movie, and at least two of Jake's children are pretty pointless characters. I still enjoyed it and I would still recommend it but it could have been a better movie.
Family structure is a core element in Avatar 2. Brought to you by James Cameron, who was married five times.
And had a kid out of wedlock with Linda Hamilton, who isn't innocent either.
by you logic George R.R. Martin shouldnt be writting game of thrones since he never ride a dragon or been to Westeros haha
@@papi-sauce that is different. He isn't preaching a hypocritical message when he can't get his own shit together.
@@connordorman117 Doesn't necessarily mean it's hypocritical. He might feel more strongly about emphasising the importance of family precisely because he's seen the effects of family breakdown, even if he was the cause of them. A warning about the dangers of alcohol or drug abuse is no less sincere when it comes from someone who's been an addict - "Don't make the same mistakes as me" can be a powerful message when it's done right (I haven't seen the film so I don't know how it comes across in this case).
@@trolleriffic that would be more believable if he had broken down 1 or even two family units but down to 5 and it is just absurd.
I took my 13 year old to see it. She almost fell asleep, but after it was over still said she loved it. That basically summed it up for me; a long, boring, yet wonderful experience that you'll be glad you've seen yet not really be able to express why.
That’s honestly the best take I’ve heard
Once I was sitting there, I finished it, but I wouldn't see it again. I saw the first one 4 or 5 times in the theater.
Probably because, depending on food and drinks and the tickets themselves, you don't want to say you felt like you wasted spending close to 50 dollars, maybe more.
I want to go and see it in a space-themed new cinema where I live.
But... your take left me confused. How can something be boring yet wonderful? How can it make you sleep, yet you love it?
I doubt I'd be glad to see it.
Avatar: And they lived happily ever after.
Avatar 2: Surprise bitch!!! Now is a saga!!!
The thing with Spider being on Pandora is explained at the start. He was a baby when the humans left and they weren’t able to put him into cryo because of that
don't think this guy is sober when he watches movies, he always has a few errors in each review.
It still doesn't make any sense. He needs an infinite stache of oxygen tanks to be able to breathe, and apparently no respirator ever broke on him in 15 years despite him spending his time being a bad charicature of Tarzan.
I like how quaritch almost seems to be slowly losing his connection to humanity as time passes. He doesn’t see himself is truly being the same guy his memories were cloned from, he sees how he dies and only really sees the frailty of his former self from how easily he crushes his own skull, and he even seems rather disinterested with why humanity is space whaling space whales for immortality juice. By the end the only compassion he only shows is for his son Spider who while saving his life rejects him. It makes me wonder if he’s planned to have a jake sully moment in a hypothetical third film where he chooses to fight for the blue people in the end
He’s extremely one dimensional honestly
@@aygwm Jake Sully? I’d have to disagree, I think there’s more to him than people give credit, but he’s not the most complex character either. There’s nothing wrong with a simple character. Some of people’s favourite characters are relatively simple all things considered. The terminator, Rambo, Batman, these characters in both concept and in action are rather one dimensional, but they’re still good characters
That would be such a predictable and generic arc I could see Cameron patting himself on the back for being so genius to think of it.
@@t.b.cont. Did you have a stroke and forget everything about Rambo and Batman? Neither one is as one dimensional as Jake Sully; he's such a placeholder it's not even funny. Every single aspect of his character is as bland as possible. "I want legs again." Gets legs. "I don't want to be cartoonishly evil." Becomes the "white savior" trope while in blueface casually murdering all his former colleagues. "I love and protect my family." Proceeds to love and protect his family. We don't even get him acknowledging that humanity is fucking doomed without Pandora because "Nah, I'm blue now. Fuck the people who had the bad luck not to be born the right species for me to care." He never sees his dead twin brother in the spirit tree or has any lasting internal conflict over leaving the tree people to fend off the military "They got this, that guys like a leader and stuff, there's no way they'll die horribly or fail to come together under an untested Chief." He monologued as he potentially dooms them all so he can hide in "Definitely not Samoa." He is a cardboard cutout that someone paid millions of dollars to hire and took 13 years to write nothing interesting for.
I can see him going native. There was all the stuff about learning the language and bonding with the flying monster. I bet he makes out with that tree at some point.
You know James Cameron could've just written books over the past 13 years for how he invested he was in this universe.
Could have made a fortune in YA novels 😂
Dude, a Disney plus show about the adventures of Jake and Neytiri over that 10 year gap would have been perfect to get us interested and vested into the characters. A lot of the issues with the plot of the movies would have been overlooked on Disney plus
Like literally any fantasy video game ever
Or ... gone onto CZcams and blathered endlessly on it for 13 years! "James' BlueYarn VodCast!"
@@owyemen9367 It really does remind me of the plummet in quality the Final Fantasy series took. "Look at how pretty 13 is!" "Yeah, but I have no choices to make, little control, an auto-pilot, and terrible characters."
Don't overthink it, just kickback and enjoy the spectacle, ideally in IMAX 3D
"Anyway after about three f*cking ice ages the script remembers that there's supposed to be other stuff going on" that almost killed me
I just LOL'd and had to pause.
You want to know what the most unbelievable part of the movie was for me? The fact that no matter what they were doing, no matter how fast things are moving or how hard they are fighting, the female blue aliens chest coverings never fall off or get damaged.
Yeah the green "I see you" chick never has a wardrobe malfunction. Way hotter than any human basic bitch woman
Indeed, maybe sticky nipple covers
Maybe they're like little pasties that stick on 😂
SPOILER ALERT:
So, did anyone besides me notice how in the final battle the water tribe just magically disappears during the battle? Despite their princess daughter not being rescued in safety yet?
Literally watching, and watching jake and gamora attack the ship and all that ots epic. But where was the water tribe army? That scene was awesome, but would have been a lot easier if they had 50 others with them?!?
Jake had to learn the hard way to not trust the water tribe, they're the ones that convinced the fire nation to attack the air temple in the first place.🙃
The fire nation attacked them
Good observation
Along with the deus ex whale who was just chilling until the boat compeletely sank instead of helping our heroes escape it. But yes, exactly my thoughts. Although I wouldn't call the final combat scene "epic" per se. "Video game" would be a more accurate description: They stealth their way through the sinking boat, all enemies they kill die without a sound or reaction from their pals, the "thoughest soldiers of the army" who made but the evil Avatars fell just as easily as any human grunt both here and back in the jungle, and everybody conveniently walked by the fact that most humans on the boat were whalers, not actual soldiers, against an ex-marine and his amazon wife who are both 3 times as big and strong as a human. Even Quarich didn't put up that much of a fight. And literally none of the native people except the plot device son were killed in the final battle. In this regard Cameron was braver in the first Avatar movie, where the casualties mounted on both sides and the humans actually came pretty close to winning until mother nature showed up. Here it's just two people with a disproportionate advantage in combat killing essentially working class people and a few soldiers who are useless anyway.
Thats another point!
Half if not most of the humans were fisherman?!? Like i get they were kinda hijacked by the small military group. But after a certain point wouldn’t the whalers draw s line. “No mr giant blue man, i will not chase innocent native children in my crab suit ???” Or “hey we are under attack by 50 native people, and all we have harpoons and fishing poles, im going to leave now and/or surrender. Im not a soldier”
But nope. Theyr shooting concussion bombs at 15 yr old kids?!?! The fishermen were! Not the soldiers!!
A movie doesnt need to be perfect or have some complicated plot and complex story telling to be special, the simplest things in life are often the most enjoyable.
This must be your first movie like... ever.
@@annieleonhart464 the concept of something being enjoyable must be entirely new to you
i enjoyed it - looking forward to seeing the whole story in the future
my favorite character is the scientist man who gets to be the "sympathetic human" because he's a scientist who talks about how much better the whales are compared to humans but also is tasked with narrating the whaling operation for the audience for some reason, and then manages to escape being decapitated but is still presumed dead!
@@dianashepherd3241 Jermaine Clements' character? Nah. Jake Sully himself is Cameron's self insert avatar.
Please tell us the character resembled Anthony Fauci? Please let this be true!!
They killed the crass Aussie actor, and saved his Kiwi sidekick. Lol
That part where he mocked the whaler saying "who has the harpoon now" was actually mind boggling to me... HELLO you are on the same ship, why are you mocking the guy who is fighting the whale thats trying to kill you all?
@@luryknadel Yeah, worst character in the movie. Way worse than Spider. Grace in the first movie knew that her research was funded by the mining work, but it was much more morally gray than this whaling operation. (By the way, Japan, Norway and Canada still do whaling, but they do it for the meat.)
I watched a video on Avatar some time ago by Pilgrim's Pass. He pointed out that the movie could have benefited from some historical realism to give the humans more depth. The scenario he outlined was essentially a Halo crossover in which Master Chief is fighting against the Na'vi only to protect the human mining operations because the mineral (he referred to it as up-uranium) is desperately needed to bolster humanity's defense in the war against the Covenant. I like it as a concept because it gives the antagonists of the film a sympathetic motivation. You could even have scenes in which the human marines regret the fact that they need to fight these hapless natives when the real war is being fought elsewhere.
I mean they already have a good hook in the fact earth is fucked and Pandora is the only habital planet they know they can reach. That already is a good morally complex scenario, Yes they do evil but if it is necessery for humanities survival then what else are they suppose to do? That should be focused on as humanities reason for evil rather then just plain greed. It is boring when such a simple reason repeats.
@@antonakesson You don't need to mine a habital planet. It's a rock, go search asteroids.
They do have those scenes. Like Trudy refusing to shoot the Navi or Hammond looking devastated by the tree being destroyed.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p It was not about mining that i meant but to live on the planet. As said in the movie, Earth is fucked and humanity needs a new home.
I missread that "Master Chief" part as Master Chef and instantly imagined Gordon Ramsay fighting against Na´vi
I watched all 18 hours of this movie, by myself, in a silent house. And I STILL can't tell you one thing that happened in Avatar 2.
Spider is currently the most important and interesting character imo. It all depends on how they do the third movie. The dynamic between “father memory clone” and son estranged on a world that would kill him can be the most interesting story told in a while. And I know a lot of people hate his dialog, but you got to remember this is a 2bil movie. They didn’t just say “hey just make up the dialogue as we go along” no, they carefully wrote him that way. Like I said this all hinges on how he’s handled in the next movies, but he’s the one I am most excited to see develop. Same with the general. Dude was a killer slapped into a different body, is he gonna stay the mad killer? Is he gonna have a change of heart brought on by the son that’s not even technically his but he just thinks it is?!? So interesting and so excited to see where it goes. Or it could go no where and it was a waste of potential. 🤷♂️
I know what you meean. I hope the potential gets used as well.
don't kid yourself. the next movie is going to be just as dull and its going to be about red navi swimming in lava with fire crabs at 96 fps.
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Maybe and maybe not.
@@Ub3rSk1llz lmaoooooooo, It could go either way which is funny as fuck
While Spider turned out to be less annoying that I thought he would be (going by the trailers), the biggest problem with him is how he got there. Like are there other human children that were sired on Pandora? Who was his mother?
Haven't seen the movie, but it's hard to imagine a situation where the technology and resources that would allow us to fully establish ourselves in an alien planet and emigrate there en masse couldn't more easily be used to fix Earth or rework civilization to cope with the changes.
good one
Yeah this movie is just ripe with anti-human agenda. Which is very odd. They could have easily chosen a non human antagonist.
nuclear aftermath...
Everytime I see an arrow go through a canopy i just go 'what' modern day canopies can ping a 50cal shot. Yet a big whale can ping an explpsive tipped harpoon. Come on james.
@@mediocreman2 anti human? Seemed more anti-corporation again. They had humans in both movies that were represented as "good"
It is crazy to watch a critical drinker video with out hearing him say “the message” 😂
You can get your fix from Paul Joseph Watson now that he's started ripping it off.
"Wanted man seeks refuge with local tribe, brings death and destruction on said tribe but refuses to leave and local tribe doesn't blame him one bit."
I finally got around to seeing this today, wrote up my own short recap and rushed over to see what The Drinker had to say. I had the (almost) exact same reaction. Cameron is a demanding and skilled filmmaker working with the best toys to create a reason for movie lovers to get away from their big screens and back into the theaters, but the plot and dialogue are just difficult to deal with.
The "kids-are-in-danger" trope is played out and this film uses it as a catalyst for an action scene 3 times!
I literally get more excited for Pitch Meetings and Drinker's reviews than I do for the actual movies! Lol
Wow wow wow.... wow.
Getting excited for Pitch Meetings and Drinker reviews is tight.
Getting more excited for Pitch Meetings and Drinkers Review than I do for the actual movies is tight!
Super easy! Barely an inconvenience.
Same here. Listening to reviews about the movie are better than watching the movie itself
“James Cameron doesn’t do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron, is James Cameron.”
-James Cameron.
Went to see the movie with my wife and we both enjoyed the movie a lot. for us is was great and worth going to see in theaters. The part I preferred was the family dynamics. I can't remember the last block buster movie where there was a family unit with the male doing the father figure a female doing the mother figure and it all working together to complete each other to keep together the family unit. All the scifi and world building was great but not the main thing.
Avatar movies were never about story, charcters, dialogue or storytelling. It was about Pandora. The world itself is what Cameron wants to show us. Everything else acts as a vehicle for us to explore Pandora. I don't think anyone believes that cameron can't write a gripping and tight script with sound dialogue. Its just he doesn't want to over complicate things which would compromise our experience of the world. That 'teen drama' served as an excellent vehicle to explore the oceans of pandora through the eyes of navi children who had never experienced the water world. I think he outdid himself in making us experience the way of water through the eyes of navi compared to the first movie where it was through the lens of humans. No one is going to theatres to watch Avatar for its interesting characters, plot, villans or
dialogue. Its to rekindle the joy of experiencing Pandora and that he has perfectly delivered in his latest movie.
His best movie involved Arnold saying like 50 total words which were just dated catchphrases that contribute nothing to the plot. He makes revolutionary looking movies for the time which blow audiences away. Why i hated avatar 2. Cartoon cgi was terrible.
So The Avatar movies are movies? Cause you described everything that movies need… He might be better off making a VR game instead.
Thank you for being one of the many CZcams Creators that I can watch without absolutely trashing a film For just existing.
I loved it. Watched it in 3D with my nephew. My nephew is usually, quite literally "bored" all the time, but with Avatar, he was all in. We're planning to watch it again this coming weekend.
Loved the focus on fatherhood in Avatar 2. It had great traditional themes like honor, family, trust, bravery, etc. Way better than most modern garbage. I don’t mind the environmental angle. There is some truth in it.
Finally! A logical person!
There's A LOT of truth to the environmental angle of the movie. People just don't want to face it
You're definitely a conservative. Never met one that fully believes in environmentalism.
@@digitaldruglord1815 LOL that humans are bad and Navi are noble savages?
@@ophanimangel3143 ayyy there you go but I do have a feeling that James will explore the darker side of the Na'vi in future films
I wasn’t attached to the kids because they got introduced at the start of the movie. It’s like. No character development before their end
Also wtf was the family idea? Felt more like a military unit
It’s sad this movie took 12 years to make! I would have expected the tightest script of all time. Especially since James Cameron said he had the scripts written 10 years before the first one was released! So did they not revise a 22 year old script?
I actually don't hate Spider saving Quartich in the end. it makes sense because of what he has been seeing and how Quartich let Kiri go for him when Neyteri threatened Quartich to kill his son for the death of her own son.
I was really surprised to see Spider not going with Quartich after that. Can he really trust his adopted family after that??
I would love to see how this changes Spider and how it can make for a compelling story if used properly. Spider's loyalty towards his adopted family who for the most part do care for him (Like Jake and the kids) and the father who surprisingly cared for him and who he had started to create a bond with (Quartich)
Spider-Man was not in this movie
I would chime in with my opinion but I just can’t bring myself to watch a $250million dollar cartoon. Sorry guys.
they all seemed to ignore that fact that natiri or what ever just threatend to kill spider and looked crazy enough todo it.... Seems alot got added in last min. Also visualy seemed like alot of effort was put into the first 10-20 min then they gave up on quality control after that. Seems very rushed. For me nothing happened in this film.... for an ocean full of life it seemed barron and didnt spend alot of time. Would have made more sense for the humans to have comeback but tried mineing underwater and the goal being to stop destroying the ocean enviroment not stop them fishing.....
The first Avatar film, (the one from 2008,) is so woke, that even Mike Stoklasa pointed out as Mr Plinkett
Hmm, tough choice.
On the one hand, you have your family who adopted you that you've known for over a dozen years that love you and only ever killed the bad guys.
Or
The bad guys, one of whom just happens to be your birth father... kind of.
All I have to say is that my only problem is the length of the movie. For sure that I couldn't careless about the teenage drama that we have seen a million times. But it's funny that I didn't have issues like that growing up. Bottom line the movie made me smile multiple times. And with all the really bad writing of today's Hollywood story makers I am glad that they didn't screw this up completely.
yeah I saw Avatar 2 yesterday and I really liked it! It felt like the movie was like 3 hours long but overall I loved the movie, the characters and the theme. I knew even if the movie was bad, I would still love it because the first Avatar movie is hands down my favorite movie ever.
I saw two flaws; It felt like it could have been half an hour shorter and still be the exact same movie, and Sigourney Weaver being casted as a teenager was extremely distracting. A big plus is you can see on screen that its a product of love, instead of just bitter cynicism. It really look like a passion project, and I enjoyed it just for that.
Why the people in this channel like to adopt the drinker's way of speak, you just used a lot of the phrases he usually uses and most people in this section do that too... Maybe I'm getting crazy... Oh well go away now XD
@@skyracer8249 okay now that is funny
Funnily enough I didn't even feel the time passing
they handled the stakes really well for this movie. i sat there wondering who was it that was gonna die. the older brother dying was well done. it was his duty to protect his younger brother even though the younger brother didnt see him as his brother . it tied in well with what jake sully said about it being a fathers duty to protect his family and his son carrying out that same will of protecting family at all costs was masterful honestly
I think you best sum up how I feel about this film. Great visuals, but subpar story and script. Movie runs at least 30 minutes too long and could have been cut to two hrs or at most 150 minutes. I definitely agree James Cameron rehashed the same story line from the first movie and shows no real reason why this movie should exist other than to make more money.
I believe that the story in the Avatar films are the excuse to explore this world Cameron has invented. Basically, Pendora came first, and the story is used as a reason to explore the various aspects of this world, similar to how Tolkien invented the languages of Middle-Earth first, then wrote the story after.
Personally, I’m fine with the simple morality tale with character that aren’t necessarily the most developed, but that I can get behind because I understand where they are emotionally and they are still fighting to achieve peace in their lives. And, bonus, the film wasn’t bogged down with “The Message”.
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id say it all began even before that, when roger dean album covers caught James Cameron's eyes, probably when he was in his teens
Yes, I feel as if the movies are made for their visuals, story comes second. The story brings out specific emotions to help amplify the effects that the visual produce. The entire thing is setup to make you envoy and admire the visuals, and in my opinion these are some of the best I’ve seen, just stunning.
Unless you consider preachy environmentalism as just a different message. And Tolkien spent years and years fleshing out his world in his notes, before he started writing for publication. He really nailed it down. Cameron made shit look cool and...that's it. I've seen porn rendered in Blender that had thought put into it.
Ironically, when the Aliens were the bad guys, the queen had more personality than any of the humans in Avatar(s).
What personality did the queen exactly had? Trying to kill Ripley? Laying down eggs? Anything else? You are just trying to be funny or something buddy... Or you just try to ride the cool "hating Avatar" wave. In the first Avatar the humans had different personalities. Sure, it's not GoT or Godfather or whatever you like, but they did.
Butthurt Avatar fan is butthurt.
@@janmajer4662 ah yes, personalities such as The Woman soldier #1 or Soldier avatar #2, of course honourable mention to the Corporate Manager #1 from scene 10 or the Weird Heroine Fiance that has alot of fanfiction written about
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Care for her soldiers, her eggs, conflict on whether or not to endanger her life to go after Ripley or stay back and just count her loses
@@janmajer4662 You kidding? Despite being a giant, biomechanical insectoid with no eyes but a lot of fangs and claws, you could tell that she was a mother caring for her offspring: Ripley even managed to threaten her by simply pointing a flamethrower to ONE of her many eggs. And she let out a giant scream every time one her drones got blown to pieces. That's a lot of personality for what was supposed to be a movie monster.
Okay fine... Something you could say about Avatar, is that the Na'vi basically live in
an eco-theocracy of sort. Where religious leaders, like Neytiris mother are holding
the highest authority in society and the will of Eywa has to be respected, no matter what.
Some lore material reveals, that one reasons why the humans are hated,
is because they broke the "three sacred laws of Eywa" and therefore were at first
seen as blasphemers by the Na'vi
I was so pissed off by the magical teenage navi world that I was actually rooting for the humans
Same, Jake is basically a selfish traitor to Humanity who forced the conflict in the first film, through his inaction and preoccupation with Neytiri.
@@primeradiant827 so true, humans are the best
@@lightningboltt5437 I'm not entirely sure what way you mean that, but not really in the movie. They were a step up from cartoon villains overall. It's just kinda contrived how things turned out and it was basically down to Jake's selfishness.
@@primeradiant827 Looks like we have found another Miles Quaritch here.
@@rayunited2010foryou If it means saving Humanity, sure thing Jake.
Merry early Christmas Drinker!!!! Thank you for making such good reviews and watching bad movies and series and giving your honest and whole hearted opinions while backing them up.
_"Military bad... Trees good."_
Nice story, Jim.
Water good this time. Jim is smart.
@@paulhsu1481 fr
"War bad. Home good. Nice story, Tolkien". "Dictatorship bad. Revolution good. Nice story, Lucas". "Atheism bad. Faith good. Nice story, Lewis". See, I can do it with everything. Hail nigilism!
Well, you're not wrong. Military are bad , and trees are good :D.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p At least Tolkien's point is kinda hard to disagree with imo
Although i agree with your points but i have to say i enjoyed my time in the theater. I would recommend anyone who loves movies to see it there's just something about it. Its like going to a Theme park
I sat in the cinema thinking “The Drinker is gonna rip SpiderBoy to shreds” ha haha
Everytime SpiderBoy spoke, I went out of the immersion of the movie. Just like how Hermione pulls you out of the immersion every time she speaks in the Harry Potter movies.