John and Mariko Meets Lady Kiku The Courtesan | Shōgun Episode 6

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  • čas přidán 24. 03. 2024
  • Shogun Hiroyuki Sanada Samurai series full scene
    (Yuka Kouri) Lady Kiku best moments, Mariko offer Anjin to stay with Kiku. John Blackthorne refuse Lady Kiku and want to be with Mariko.
    #HiroyukiSanada #Shogun #Samurai
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Komentáře • 434

  • @gregrizal5043
    @gregrizal5043 Před měsícem +590

    Lady Kiku: please tell him to visit me again. I will be waiting.
    Mariko: She said thank you. 😅😅😅😅

    • @RockSmithStudio
      @RockSmithStudio Před měsícem +128

      Mariko: "I can't be with you Anjin"
      Also Mariko internally: "If I can't have him, NOBODY CAN!!!"

    • @thihaaung647
      @thihaaung647 Před měsícem +29

      @@RockSmithStudio Women. ☕

    • @user-ck6gs6ix5t
      @user-ck6gs6ix5t Před měsícem +18

      やっぱりみんなそこ、注目したよね。あんなにそっけなく言葉が通り過ぎるシーンだけど。

    • @alifaakthar3583
      @alifaakthar3583 Před měsícem +118

      Also in the tea room, Kiku mentions the courtesan experience must be different back in Anjin’s homeland, he says yes they’re not as well presented and inquisitive as you. Mariko translates this back to Kiku saying ‘he prefers his homeland’ LOL. Our girl’s a little jelly. 😅

    • @Yvetchkian
      @Yvetchkian Před měsícem +2

      @@thihaaung647😂

  • @thihaaung647
    @thihaaung647 Před měsícem +484

    In ancient Japan, the high ranked courtesans were a real deal. They've been trained since a very young age and well educated. They're not only good in bed but also mastered in many arts such as singing, dancing, playing instruments and painting. That's why they are expensive af!

    • @buonafortuna8928
      @buonafortuna8928 Před měsícem +18

      Them's the days

    • @rivenoak
      @rivenoak Před měsícem +23

      in the novel the time with Kiku was priced at 1 _koban_ gold coin.

    • @marcusrobertsson1898
      @marcusrobertsson1898 Před měsícem +44

      Taught from childhood how to please a man. The ancient japanese ways where a bit strange to our eyes.

    • @Hakeem.X
      @Hakeem.X Před měsícem +2

      Who tf is paying to hear them sing or see them do the arts😂😂😂 they clearly didn't understand their assignment

    • @nicholaskendell6080
      @nicholaskendell6080 Před měsícem +35

      wtf you mean "ancient japan" this was like 400 years ago dude

  • @ciaranbrk
    @ciaranbrk Před měsícem +243

    I find the chemistry between Mariko and Blackthorn is excelent the way her breath catches while interpreting for him it's clear they both have feelings for each other.

    • @abc92800
      @abc92800 Před měsícem +12

      the show is quite different from the book version of the couple - they’re already fucking like rabbits and very little of the angst here 😂

    • @JwW-zt2dj
      @JwW-zt2dj Před měsícem

      @@abc92800 they have had sex once in the series wouldn’t really call that fuking like rabbits 😂

    • @elnoare
      @elnoare Před měsícem

      ​@abc92800 Lmaoo maybe the show will get to that before the season ends 💀💀 I haven't read the books yet

    • @Jepopova
      @Jepopova Před měsícem +1

      @@abc92800 Spoilers:…....…................Ah, I am not sure, as far as I remember from the book, regularly they were together on the way to Yedo. This is yet to come in the series.

    • @jeaniebeanie6
      @jeaniebeanie6 Před 25 dny +3

      @@abc92800 I love me some good angst and will absolutely devour it when it's done well. It is done very, very well here. So much so that the tea room scene to me is one of the greatest tv moments ever, a real masterclass in romantic tension and sexual desire. But we've gotten extreme angst for 3 episodes and there needs to be further development now, some relief needs to happen. I keep wanting more of them. I want to see them acknowledge their love and be soft and romantic with each other. Their love story is my favorite part of the show. With only 3 episodes left, they better deliver lol. The actors have way too good chemistry to waste it away.

  • @nykSouthern
    @nykSouthern Před měsícem +228

    Everytime Lady Kiku is shown, there's always a sexual tension. She has a very seductive presence. This actress is just perfect for this role.

    • @fungunsun1
      @fungunsun1 Před 28 dny +12

      Which is funny because in real life that actress is nothing like that. The acting and makeup are superb.

    • @Search0Settle
      @Search0Settle Před 26 dny +6

      @@fungunsun1 The actress is still beautiful without the costume and all the makeup.

    • @The_Gallowglass
      @The_Gallowglass Před 21 dnem +5

      The thing is, the tension is actually between Mariko and William. Miko is the proxy.

    • @detectiveluck2899
      @detectiveluck2899 Před 20 dny

      Really? I never felt that with her on screen. Whenever I see her, I imagine her more as a snake, seducing and intimidating.

    • @natnut2008
      @natnut2008 Před 16 dny

      The way the actress who plays Kiko is made up in the show, she has a striking resemblance to S Korea's Bae Suzy.

  • @Jepopova
    @Jepopova Před měsícem +193

    "'She had not been prepared for what soon became obvious: clearly the Anjin-san desired the Lady Toda, though he hid it as well as any civilized person could hide it. This in itself was not surprising, for Lady Toda was most beautiful and accomplished, and, most important, she alone could talk with him. What astounded her was that she was certain the Lady Toda desired him equally, if not more. The barbarian samurai and the Lady samurai, patrician daughter of the assassin Akechi Jinsai, wife of Lord Buntaro! Eeeee! Poor man, poor woman. So sad. Surely this must end in tragedy"

    • @richardruff8712
      @richardruff8712 Před měsícem +10

      Yes, I seem to remember this quote from the book... To be honest, I feel that, both the 1980 version, and this 2024 version, do NOT quite measure up to the story in the book... In the book, there was far more detail about what actually happened, but we are only getting a brief glimpse in this episode... I think that, in this 2024 version, Kiku looks very nice, but the lady in the 1980 version was not so nice... Just my opinion...

    • @Jepopova
      @Jepopova Před měsícem +7

      @@richardruff8712 I cannot tell about the book - everybody reads and interprets books and stories through their own eyes.
      So we are seeing in 1980 and now different pieces of art, and they cannot be exactly as the book. I prefer this series version much better than the 1980 one though. The costumes and the cinematography in the first place, but mostly because the mood of this series vibrates with me much better - for example in this scene. the tension, the passion, the desire, the positioning of the characters, the light, just everything.

    • @richardruff8712
      @richardruff8712 Před měsícem

      @@Jepopova Spoiler alert ! ... Please don't give advanced clues away, to those new viewers, who have not seen the 1980 version, nor read the 1244 pages of the book... That is why I try to give my comments... ONLY about what we have seen, so far... I try not to give any information about what is to come ? .... We shall see ?

    • @Jepopova
      @Jepopova Před měsícem

      @@richardruff8712 Sorry, I tried to not tell anything specific. Will delete partially :)

    • @richardruff8712
      @richardruff8712 Před měsícem

      @@JepopovaYes, I note you have deleted part... Thank you for teaching me something.... I was not aware that the originator of a comment, could, if required, actually alter or delete parts of the comment... I just assumed that a comment is ' fixed in stone ' and could not be altered... This is most interesting ... Thank you...

  • @MrJustonemorevoice
    @MrJustonemorevoice Před měsícem +238

    Lady Kiku : "Will you join us Mariko?"
    John : *Please?*

  • @penegakkeadilanpembasmikej5022
    @penegakkeadilanpembasmikej5022 Před měsícem +122

    I love the scene when Kiko talk to Anjin through Mariko
    good directing..... I feel it
    I guess watching too much kdrama can do that to you

    • @abc92800
      @abc92800 Před měsícem +4

      omg someone HAD to say it 😂 too much k/jdrama for the masses (aka me)

  • @user-tt4cp9go7w
    @user-tt4cp9go7w Před 27 dny +36

    I don’t think anybody commented yet on the fact Toranaga is pitting them all against each other. He knew Omi is in love with Kiku from his spies, he knows of course Omi pissed on Blackthorne and the two hate each other, and of course he knows Buntaro is jealous of Mariko spending all her time with Blackthorn. It is revealed towards the end of the book that Toranaga bought out Kiku’s contract from her Tea House in order to control Omi - who he thninks is much smarter than Yabu and can potentially become a problem one day - or a great ally, when they eliminate Yabu. It’s all plans within plans. He also of course wants to get mariko to stay closer to Toranaga but he cannot get totally over Buntaro’s head. That all aside - Kiku sees what’s going on between Mariko and Blackthorn and says, I can leave and close the door behind me - you can be completely alone with him and nobody will know and I will not tell. Mariko refuses - she understands this is dangerous for her -
    It’s all about discipline and thinking two steps ahead, this is basically what the scene is about.

  • @TheCoolProfessor
    @TheCoolProfessor Před měsícem +59

    "I beg thee stay. For thy honor and hers."

  • @suhribzevolution645
    @suhribzevolution645 Před měsícem +77

    Kiku beautiful 😍

  • @allaricsensei4931
    @allaricsensei4931 Před měsícem +37

    I was watching history clips about courtesans few days ago and then this episode showed up. Kiku-sama is so damn beautiful!

  • @Zero8880
    @Zero8880 Před měsícem +35

    Kiku is enchanting 😍

  • @monsieurdelaperouse9756
    @monsieurdelaperouse9756 Před měsícem +56

    I am very familiar with the chemistry between Kiku and Mariko: how many times have I sat down with a group of Japanese ladies exchanging very courteous sentences, deep bows and broad smiles while my tongue could literally taste the hatred in the air! 😄 Nothing has changed here between 1600 and 2024.

    • @fkins7296
      @fkins7296 Před měsícem +4

      One must not go to the Japanese for this knowledge.

    • @saladspinner3200
      @saladspinner3200 Před 29 dny +5

      Belgians are a rare breed of Westerners with a society that's very munch founded on courtesy, politeness, smiles and handshakes. Anything above bluntness and actually say what you are thinking. The only thing missing are the bows. I'll never get how they actually make it work.

    • @gaoxiaen1
      @gaoxiaen1 Před 6 dny +1

      The same in Taiwan. Two of my ex-GFs pretend to be BFFs.

  • @jeffreyjackson5229
    @jeffreyjackson5229 Před měsícem +61

    The scene reminds me that the human condition is a painful place to be at times.

  • @KensGarage.
    @KensGarage. Před měsícem +20

    Kiku is my favorite. Very beautiful!!

  • @theriffroom
    @theriffroom Před měsícem +138

    People come to this place have something they wish to forget, be it boredom, pain, hardship, disappointment.
    I offer you relief from this, and safety, to create one perfect moment that you wish to inhabit completely.
    Settle your eyes on what you desire, I ask you into my openness, I ask you to be here with me now.

    • @dominicijavier1575
      @dominicijavier1575 Před měsícem +8

      same scene with the joytoy in cyberpunk 2077

    • @KoiYakultGreenTea
      @KoiYakultGreenTea Před měsícem +29

      I like how she makes use of the space. And the theme of a secret private world which mirrors the secret world of women and how they fight. She sits beside Mariko I'm her shadow so its like you're actually talking to Mariko. She can see the tension between them and she's "serving" them both. She knows they have feelings for each other and knows that the only comfort she can offer is privacy to be together. But Mariko refused.

    • @sbyerley
      @sbyerley Před měsícem +12

      They were Being Watched…privacy was an illusion

    • @Bradgilliswhammyman
      @Bradgilliswhammyman Před měsícem

      Tantric sexorzing there.

    • @pjmlegrande
      @pjmlegrande Před měsícem +5

      Better than any modern psychotherapy

  • @asa9ish
    @asa9ish Před 22 dny +5

    They way Kiku looks Omi at the end, "dont worry my love it was just business"

  • @user-fu9vj9ix3g
    @user-fu9vj9ix3g Před měsícem +59

    People who nit pick this excellent series by comparing it to the book or the original series should just relax. Take it for what it is. The cinematography, the lighting, the intimacy of the scenes - even the not so sensual ones - are far superior to the original , IMO. That's a tough call, but that's what I think. The music score and over all audio experience is very much superior.

    • @ECA2
      @ECA2 Před měsícem +4

      Having seen the original 1980 TV series which I thought was great, this remake is so much better.

    • @zsedcftglkjh
      @zsedcftglkjh Před měsícem +1

      The cinematography is overproduced and unnecessary to the point of distracting. The lighting is your typical drained color pallet that seems to be in EVERYTHING nowadays. Who the F cares about two actors bumping uglies on screen? Is this a historical series or a porno? Give me a tight script and decent locations...and actors who don't look and sound constipated.

    • @stuartdear1187
      @stuartdear1187 Před měsícem +5

      I read the book several times and watched the original series. If I wanted to be pedantic about it I could pick holes in both TV versions but I'm very much aware that it's easy to be an armchair director and that the majority of viewers haven't read the book and probably wouldn't enjoy my version of the story - which would cover practically every page and go on for 30-40 hour-long episodes, sticking religiously to the text. As for this series, I share your views on every aspect of the presentation and can only add that I think the casting has been excellent and each character totally believable.

    • @user-fu9vj9ix3g
      @user-fu9vj9ix3g Před měsícem +1

      @@stuartdear1187 Amen

  • @PappyGunn
    @PappyGunn Před 21 dnem +7

    I got to hand it to Kiku, she makes a hell of a sales pitch...

  • @jeetlaha9627
    @jeetlaha9627 Před měsícem +24

    I bet Kiku explained to Blackthorne how the time travel in Tenet vs Time travel in Endgame works (this is a reference to the actress doing it)

  • @alexanderflores503
    @alexanderflores503 Před měsícem +25

    "Uuuugh! . . Wanted to hear her say, " . . . for your return visit . . . We should not only make the trees shake . . . . . . . . . .But the leaves fall as well." :D

  • @The_Gallowglass
    @The_Gallowglass Před 21 dnem +6

    Kiku: I care nothing for the barbarian.
    Also Kiku: I am honoured to serve Anjin sama.
    Them Japanese sure are somethin'.

  • @jerseycitysteve
    @jerseycitysteve Před měsícem +26

    The price for the evening was much higher than most of us realize. The experience cost roughly $900 in today's US dollars. That's roughly the price of women like Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal. Unless we were billionaire real estate developers, we couldn't afford Kiku. Torrenaga is a generous man. He wouldn't have to pay hush money but cold steel.

    • @zz3410
      @zz3410 Před měsícem +6

      The book said he paid a gold koban coin or 300 momen in the show which comes out to 22,500 usd in todays gold price.

    • @rivenoak
      @rivenoak Před měsícem

      @@zz3410koban was one _ryo_ of gold and ~16grams, far less than an ounce today

    • @gamemaster2311
      @gamemaster2311 Před měsícem +3

      Most escorts I've ever seen are at least 700 an hour

    • @jerseycitysteve
      @jerseycitysteve Před měsícem

      You are a connoisseur I see LOL Think about it that $900 was for a whole night with an expert at pleasing men and not a washed up bikini model. @@gamemaster2311

    • @user-xh6mk9dc1m
      @user-xh6mk9dc1m Před 28 dny +2

      約7000$ですよ

  • @constantinelheman
    @constantinelheman Před měsícem +18

    In the old version John is far more of a gentleman.

    • @fkins7296
      @fkins7296 Před měsícem +8

      In the book too.

    • @lukefury8162
      @lukefury8162 Před 11 dny +3

      This new version of john blackthorne is more realistic to the times I'd say

  • @abc92800
    @abc92800 Před měsícem +5

    John 😂😂😂😂

  • @lastsigil7241
    @lastsigil7241 Před 2 dny

    Omi getting the NTR treatment is poetic justice after his first encounter with John.

  • @renshiwu305
    @renshiwu305 Před měsícem +23

    "The Anjin must warn you, he is larger than other men. His member is three finger joints' long, not the ordinary two."

    • @finalarbitrator4551
      @finalarbitrator4551 Před hodinou

      What does three finger joints long mean? Sorry English is my third language.

  • @jadenephrite
    @jadenephrite Před 26 dny +4

    The pulchritudinous Lady Kiku who wears the red kimono is portrayed by Japanese actress Yuka Kouri.

  • @Reedfender
    @Reedfender Před 28 dny +6

    Bro just got Oxford Studied in Feudal Japan

  • @Philip-0
    @Philip-0 Před měsícem +9

    Yuka Kouri was excellent as Kiku, but I still wonder if they'd considered Sonoya Mizuno for the role.

    • @sabrinazurich2241
      @sabrinazurich2241 Před měsícem

      Shes too busy with HoTD

    • @nykSouthern
      @nykSouthern Před měsícem +6

      No, Sonoya doesn't look like the women of old Japan, she looks modern and mixed. The actress they have now is perfect and has a very seductive presence.

    • @Philip-0
      @Philip-0 Před měsícem +1

      @@sabrinazurich2241 Really? I guess the White Worm wasn't killed after all. Nonetheless, she is _very_ busy, not least of all with Civil War and around 5 other projects.

  • @asims5335
    @asims5335 Před měsícem +2

    Can you upload Buntaro’s “last stand”?

    • @sensei2203
      @sensei2203 Před měsícem

      HE STILL STANDING BRO,,,,NOT DEAD

  • @KK-of6hj
    @KK-of6hj Před měsícem +12

    Kiku sama~~~
    Kiku sama~~~
    Kiku sama~~~

    • @adlerzwei
      @adlerzwei Před měsícem +3

      Hei hei hooooooooooi ✊🏼

  • @paulsara9694
    @paulsara9694 Před 9 dny

    He sounds like Richard Burton.

  • @projektkobra2247
    @projektkobra2247 Před 26 dny

    She said, "Anjin", not, "barbarian" as shown in the subtitle.

  • @WWE2KUNIVERSEELITE
    @WWE2KUNIVERSEELITE Před 27 dny +2

    Bruh you can actually make Lady Kiku in Rise of the Ronin lol.

  • @yoru_nogitsune
    @yoru_nogitsune Před 16 hodinami

    Yuka Kouri

  • @jarethnimblebottomesq.4423

    That definitely didn't go quite as written by Clavell...great production value though.

  • @user-kv3rz7wd1k
    @user-kv3rz7wd1k Před měsícem +21

    いつもマリコとブラックソーンが一緒にいるのは奇妙な気がする。モデルの細川ガラシャは身分の高い女性だから、いつも外国人男性と一緒にいるのはあり得ない。
    身分が低くて英語のできる架空の女性を設定したほうが、日本人としては受け入れやすい。
    しかし、それでは原作と全く違う物語になってしまうから、真田広之さんとしては悩ましかっただろうね。

    • @aprildj5684
      @aprildj5684 Před měsícem +3

      それでは大ヴィランである落ち葉の方と鞠子の因縁を表現できませんし、インテリじゃないヒロインでは、鞠子を核とする深く複雑な心理劇になり得ないですよね。難しいところですが。

  • @JohnDoe-yq9rt
    @JohnDoe-yq9rt Před měsícem +5

    me when i go to tobita shinchi

  • @sigmashorts19
    @sigmashorts19 Před měsícem +1

    Bro how you doesn't get copyright?

    • @sensei2203
      @sensei2203 Před měsícem

      if got striked....CZcams CEO will have to be impeached and performed sepukku

  • @constantinelheman
    @constantinelheman Před měsícem +23

    I read somewhere that Fuji is described in the novel to be ‘plain’ looking. In this 2024 film version, Fuji is definitely plain compared to Mariko and Kiku.

    • @LarryAred47
      @LarryAred47 Před měsícem +25

      I still prefer Fuji, especially in this film. Her eyes are sparkling in every scene. Kiku and Mariko are gorgeous but I think Fuji has a more sense of pureness. That's what makes her so special.

    • @constantinelheman
      @constantinelheman Před měsícem +25

      Fuji is no less beautiful than Mariko, Kiku and Ochiba. While she may be the plain looking of them all, her face expression and gesture is second to none compared to the other female characters in the film.
      And that made Fuji very attractive to see.

    • @projektkobra2247
      @projektkobra2247 Před měsícem +18

      @@constantinelheman Plus she'll pull a gun on your enemies.

    • @24X7CARZ
      @24X7CARZ Před měsícem +3

      The actress and her portrayal of Fuji-san are on point!

    • @rivenoak
      @rivenoak Před měsícem +5

      @@projektkobra2247never mess with Fuji-no-Anjin :D

  • @be_mpty8916
    @be_mpty8916 Před měsícem +41

    sexiest scene indeed

    • @dominicijavier1575
      @dominicijavier1575 Před měsícem +6

      yeah. I loved it. mariko totally came when she was repeating her words. probably was so wet that time

    • @levim.3505
      @levim.3505 Před měsícem

      @@dominicijavier1575bro?

    • @bobsaget5170
      @bobsaget5170 Před měsícem

      @@dominicijavier1575you people are so disgustingly weird

  • @devinarthur6559
    @devinarthur6559 Před měsícem +5

    0:30 0:34 3:03

  • @jerrylove865
    @jerrylove865 Před měsícem +5

    I do miss Shogun having colors; and I miss the more nuanced relationship from the books.

  • @jedijeff
    @jedijeff Před 26 dny +4

    Did John Blackthorne pillow Kiku actually or not? I am confused. Episode 7 mother courtesan said his mind is on Mariko i assume not? But in Japan of that time to not pillow is great shame

  • @suarez986
    @suarez986 Před měsícem +9

    I think you will enjoy your time in my Tea House. Some call it the Willow World, because my ladies are like lilies in a lake. There you will find no prying eyes from the outside world. All of this I guarantee…
    … allow me to explain why the Willow World is among the most treasured planes of existence.
    People who come to this place have something they wish to forget. Be it boredom, pain, hardship, or disappointment. They believe this place is about physical pleasure, which it is. But it can be more.
    The people I meet wish for a different life or circumstance. They want to be anyplace other than where they are.
    I offer you relief from this and safety to create one perfect moment that you wish to inhabit completely. Settle your eyes on what you desire. My unclothed form. Just as I am with nothing between us.
    I ask you into my openness.
    I ask you to be here with me now.

  • @GoldeeSuperKamichu
    @GoldeeSuperKamichu Před měsícem +5

    たぶんもっとblackthornが出てくるシーンが多いエピソードのほうが人気なんだろうね

  • @jacksonhana360
    @jacksonhana360 Před měsícem +1

    She's so hot❤

  • @jd5179
    @jd5179 Před 22 dny +6

    Blackthorne : Mariko, how do say your gluck gluck 2000 game is out of the world in Japanese .
    Mariko: 😟

  • @HddnDragon23
    @HddnDragon23 Před 28 dny +1

    Kiku looks like Kazuha Nakamura

  • @dy1555
    @dy1555 Před měsícem +5

    So.. did Blackthorne spent the night with the courtesan or not?

    • @gentlebabarian
      @gentlebabarian Před 27 dny +4

      Kiku stated she was eager to receive anjin another time.
      So, assume she enjoyed herself very much 😂

    • @rG1vZ
      @rG1vZ Před 20 dny

      ​@@gentlebabariani mean it could be just that she's being polite, it is what she does

    • @gentlebabarian
      @gentlebabarian Před 3 dny

      @rG1vZ there's a big difference between just being polite. And being polite with a intention.

  • @cain7925
    @cain7925 Před 3 dny

    Kiku>Fuji>Mariko

  • @erina4437
    @erina4437 Před měsícem +5

    まりこ様の日本的でないエキゾチックなお顔と表情がすごく気になってしまう、、
    それも本物の日本女性と対峙しているときに特に。

    • @minimouse1357
      @minimouse1357 Před měsícem +14

      自分の応援したい人を上げるために誰かを下げるキャンペーン。私達はしないな。

    • @gtone339
      @gtone339 Před měsícem

      She's Japanese 😊

    • @erina4437
      @erina4437 Před měsícem +2

      アンナサワイさんを下げてるつもりは全くなかったのですが…
      彼女はニュージーランドやフィリピンなどインターナショナルな生い立ちなので、日本人ですが表情やお顔立ちがずっと日本で育った日本人とは異なります。着物の所作も今回初めて学んだそうです。
      そういった内からでる雰囲気がこの時代の女性として見た時に違和感を感じます。
      グローバルに活躍される素晴らしい女優さんだとは思いますが、ネイティブすぎる英語も果たして相応しいのでしょうか、、

    • @gtone339
      @gtone339 Před měsícem +4

      それが彼女を非常にユニークなものにしているので、彼女はカトリックの通訳の役割を担っています

    • @user-ck6gs6ix5t
      @user-ck6gs6ix5t Před měsícem

      日本人らしくないとは思いませんでした。。
      従来のほかの映画の中では、日本人の顔をしている役者が、日本人がやらない笑顔や表情の作り方をすると、日本育ちではない役者を使うから違和感でまくっておるわと立腹してきたのですが、今回その手の日本人じゃないを感じた部分はないです(唯一、網代の港に集結の兵隊の後列が緊張感不足で、とても日本人には見えない、とわかってしまう点が例外)。鞠子は表情の少ない役なのでますます日本人らしくないとは感じるチャンスが減っているかと。

  • @sabrinazurich2241
    @sabrinazurich2241 Před měsícem +2

    Most comments just hatred men with no touch of understanding the feminism part of life , even this is a Shogun with samurai and war but in real life there is also a living woman who does many things for these warriors behind the scenes before and after the war

    • @Rudi_Mentary723
      @Rudi_Mentary723 Před 6 dny

      Lol...what ?! 😂
      Your comment makes no sense. Bringing in feminism everywhere just for the sake of it.

  • @dorolyncyo
    @dorolyncyo Před měsícem +3

    日本人が聴いても難解なシーンだ・・・。🤔

    • @mdmarcus7494
      @mdmarcus7494 Před měsícem +1

      Shy? Disturbing? Awkward? It is understandable.

  • @notapplicable-zn9us
    @notapplicable-zn9us Před 14 dny +4

    Before there was a John Blackthorne, Hatamoto, in feudal Japan there was the Samurai Yasuke. Yasuke, born in Mozambique, was a former slave who gained employment as a bodyguard to an Italian jesuit missionary. They traveled to Japan in 1579 where Yasuke lietrally beame a celebraty with his social charm and stature. Eventually Yasuke gained employment as a sword bearer for the Daimyo.
    I believe Yasuke story will make an awesome movie.

  • @user-fm4ct2rk8j
    @user-fm4ct2rk8j Před 20 dny +1

    日本女子のしたたかさ😌🇯🇵🗻👘

  • @user-ej5co4lh5b
    @user-ej5co4lh5b Před měsícem +1

    HONEY TRAP?

  • @jiminycriket
    @jiminycriket Před měsícem +23

    I much preferred the 1980 SHOGUN's version of this sequence. Other than Blackthorne, the characters weren't nearly as blatant with their feelings of annoyance and discomfort with the situation.

  • @onetuffspartan1981
    @onetuffspartan1981 Před měsícem +7

    show has been amazing, this episode was the first one where i think they were going a litttttttle heavy on the femanism side but hey.....the name of the episode had me expecting it.

  • @alistelum404
    @alistelum404 Před měsícem +3

    なぜ「蛮人」をbarbarianって訳にしたのか。ニュアンス的にはalienかforeigner程度だ
    虎永が「異人」と呼んでるのもbarbarianにしちゃってるし・・
    こちらに至っては完全にforeignerで良い

    • @jlee4918
      @jlee4918 Před měsícem +3

      蠻人 means uncivilized foreginer so Barbarian is pretty accurate translation " 蛮人は未開の種族または人を意味します。したがって、バーバリアンは間違った解釈ではありません"

    • @alistelum404
      @alistelum404 Před měsícem

      @@jlee4918
      日本史に詳しい外国人のつべ動画の解説もあったけどニュアンスの問題だよ
      英語でbarbarianってけっこうキツイ響きだから当事の日本人が使う蛮人や南蛮人のニュアンスとは明確に異なります

    • @user-kv3rz7wd1k
      @user-kv3rz7wd1k Před měsícem

      たぶん、英語圏の人には伝わってないです。ニュアンスのすり合わせは非常に難しいですね。日本語と英語は全く違う言語なので。

    • @Cmtwrt-ru8gj
      @Cmtwrt-ru8gj Před měsícem

      南蛮あるいは蛮は、中国における南西方面の帰順しない異民族の蔑称。
      その思想が日本にも伝わり、五色島・薩摩七島・琉球、東南アジア方面を
      指す言葉となって、その方面から来た西洋人にもそのように呼んだ。
      理由は、礼儀作法が大きく異なっていたことで野蛮視されていたから。
      (土足であがる、唾を吐く、肉食を好むなど)
      小説→脚本→日本語化(日本人脚本家,大学教授,歴史研究家)→
      再英訳→字幕化(物凄い努力と検討、調整、時間をかけている)
      その上での"barbarian"であり妥当と言える。

  • @kettch777
    @kettch777 Před měsícem +85

    I get that the Chinese, Koreans and Japanese are all proud of their cultures. I just wish so many of them weren't so....superior about it. Civilization comes in many different flavors, and not everyone outside your culture is automatically a barbarian.

    • @thecoffeemaker7444
      @thecoffeemaker7444 Před měsícem +2

      same goes for any Americans and Europeans who all think that everything outside the West are all “3rd World” lol.

    • @balazsfaludi8830
      @balazsfaludi8830 Před měsícem

      everyone not from your culture is a barbarian. blame it on the greeks

    • @dantruong2582
      @dantruong2582 Před měsícem +52

      Oh we also think of each other are barbarians and savages too. It is feel it is more of a human thing.

    • @Tz3952ii
      @Tz3952ii Před měsícem +47

      Lol you know any country that was an advanced nation at a time but not looking down on less civilized neighbors? Ever since the day one in Egypt? Besides Koreans were in the position to look up its neighboring counties for centuries as their country was a vessel state of China so even own Kings despite own language and pressed their nobles to speak Chinese until Japan defeated China and annexed and modernized it drastically

    • @huydinh3395
      @huydinh3395 Před měsícem

      Yeah, like how the West didn't feel superior to Asian and African countries and colonize them.

  • @CrazyandLazy
    @CrazyandLazy Před měsícem

    This scene looks like a kid sulking.

  • @MarklovesAngels
    @MarklovesAngels Před 28 dny

    What's driving my disappointment in this version is they're constantly leaving the deeper emotions in the story un-filmed and unexplored. Not that the book is a sacred text but the author chose his moments. When Kiku asks Blackthorne about his homeland, it's then it fully hits him how different, AND GRIMY his previous life was and he realizes what he's GAINED and lost. The two writers here just glide by it. When Toranaga calls the troops to order, or the "only if you win" scene are all flatter than they should be in impact. No amount of blood and gore porn is going to cover up this lack of drama. I don't think the screenwriters had the capability to explore the deeper meanings of the book which is weird because they're RIGHT THERE spelled out.
    I'm pretty well checking out. It's been a disappointment and could've been better.

  • @Ghost-kn9bd
    @Ghost-kn9bd Před měsícem +21

    Waste of a episode. Waited a whole week for nothing meaningful until the end and now we have to wait another week for the main story to continue…

    • @diabolic103
      @diabolic103 Před měsícem +6

      Totally agree just dragging out the Episode 😏

    • @xKira_34
      @xKira_34 Před měsícem +20

      If you watched game of thrones, you know why good things must take time. Idk what I'm saying but please be patient. Lol

    • @commonsenseisntcommon1776
      @commonsenseisntcommon1776 Před měsícem +3

      I want to watch them all! I hate waiting a week!

    • @xathu-er2zr
      @xathu-er2zr Před měsícem +5

      damn, you sure hate mariko

    • @MrChaosi
      @MrChaosi Před měsícem +16

      hate to break it to you buddy, but blackthorne and mariko IS the main storyline...

  • @lieutenantusubuchi674
    @lieutenantusubuchi674 Před měsícem +5

    The most boring episode ever. What a waste. 今回はつまんなかったなあ。

  • @lapislazuli1012
    @lapislazuli1012 Před měsícem +10

    It is understandable that this drama is not as popular in Japan as it is abroad. Japanese period dramas are not so cruel and heavy-handed and focus on the goodness of people.I think this drama is made with the prejudice that Japanese people are barbaric, just because they are faithful to their manners, buildings and kimonos.

    • @emilyrainflower25
      @emilyrainflower25 Před měsícem +16

      It’s literally made by a Japanese producer, with Japanese actors, and several Japanese historical experts.

    • @lapislazuli1012
      @lapislazuli1012 Před měsícem +9

      @@emilyrainflower25
      The producers and actors are Japanese, but this drama is based on a British remake and the script is also written by a Westerner.
      Most Japanese stopped watching the original Shogun drama in the 1980s halfway through because it was cruel and barbaric. Viewing ratings were low. This drama is produced by Hiroyuki Sanada, so the Japanese customs and buildings are accurate, but not the actual history of Japan. It is a fiction using Japanese history. It is true that in the 1600s Japan was in a state of civil war, but as the Portuguese missionary Luis Frois wrote, women walked alone. He also wrote that peasants watched the samurai fighting while eating onigiri (rice balls). At that time, basically no one was killed except the warriors. Also, there is no history of foreigners who drifted ashore being boiled in a kettle and killed for no crime.

    • @karlkrump6634
      @karlkrump6634 Před měsícem +4

      The people of that era in general are fairly "barbaric" if we compare them to a post-Geneva convention mentality.
      Keep in mind the writer of this story wrote what he knew from his perspective, and he was not entirely accurate, though due to his efforts a lot of people became fascinated with the idea of getting to know Japan more in the latter half of the 20th century.
      Japan was no exception to barbaric behavior, though they had their own style, they preferred cutting heads off corpses to identify them after the fact as a means of prestige bargaining, which some other cultures probably would argue was a bad practice...Europeans preferred their nobles mostly alive for ransom money.
      I am not too wild about the boiling alive scene, given that was a very rare thing, and as another channel pointed out: Henry VIII did far more boiling of people than virtually anybody else did, and even other European monarchs thought that was a savage thing to do.
      I think we can cut the creators of this show just a little bit of slack.

    • @MaxvanRijn-ro3yx
      @MaxvanRijn-ro3yx Před měsícem +5

      Thank god this bs comment has zero likes

    • @leonrussell9607
      @leonrussell9607 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@lapislazuli1012the book the show is based on is fiction

  • @MicahRdr
    @MicahRdr Před měsícem

    Mariko girl doesn’t even look Japanese

  • @tnsampson2
    @tnsampson2 Před měsícem +21

    Geez, yet another character distorted out of recognition. Kiku's job was to please, not discuss social issues in Japan. Blackthorne bowing upon his departure is inappropriate as well. She should have bowed first, not him.
    The thread throughout the entire sequence is to put the females in charge, which contradicts the book's descriptions of alpha males running rampant. The American left destroys another great story, as they always do.

    • @Taospark
      @Taospark Před měsícem +31

      ok boomer

    • @CRS327
      @CRS327 Před měsícem +20

      Get a life! You will survive;

    • @lieutenantkettch
      @lieutenantkettch Před měsícem +41

      Blackthorne bowing first shows he's still feeling his way around Japanese culture. Most likely there is still a tinge of Western-style chivalry ingrained in him. Remember, the story of Walter Raleigh laying his coat over a puddle for Elizabeth I is still fresh at this time.

    • @tnsampson2
      @tnsampson2 Před měsícem +5

      @@lieutenantkettch No, he knew better. Mariko had told him about the conduct that was expected of him.
      The writers wanted their concepts of females injected into a 17th century story. If they want to make up their own, go for it. But don't distort Clavell's masterpiece so you can virtue signal.

    • @tnsampson2
      @tnsampson2 Před měsícem +4

      @@CRS327 I will indeed. But I object to the left's trashing one of my favorite books.

  • @bisuke35
    @bisuke35 Před měsícem +13

    The last scene of this episode was extremely cheap and disappointing.
    The scene with the courtesan was also a cheap and unnecessary episode.

    • @theriffroom
      @theriffroom Před měsícem +40

      I enjoyed it

    • @penegakkeadilanpembasmikej5022
      @penegakkeadilanpembasmikej5022 Před měsícem +20

      You all over the place, spread your hatred in comment section
      Listen to bayyinah TV to understand deeply about the Quran

    • @adam-bf8li
      @adam-bf8li Před měsícem +4

      @@penegakkeadilanpembasmikej5022 What? What are you talking about? Hahahaha

    • @rannierunsfast
      @rannierunsfast Před měsícem +10

      This dude is everywhere being a hater lol

    • @Pdmc-vu5gj
      @Pdmc-vu5gj Před měsícem +7

      It's an important scene in the novel. Don't you realize this was a novel? Unbelievable.

  • @zsedcftglkjh
    @zsedcftglkjh Před měsícem +1

    Cringe. Over produced when a good script and locations would have covered a myriad of sins. I'll keep the 80s version. This is garbage.

    • @doorhandledestroyer
      @doorhandledestroyer Před měsícem +13

      Bait used to be believable

    • @MrChaosi
      @MrChaosi Před měsícem +14

      then go watch it instead, nobody is stopping you.,

    • @gentlebabarian
      @gentlebabarian Před 27 dny

      Then shut your mouth and watch your 80s shogun. Nobody's stopping you!

  • @bennwaters5851
    @bennwaters5851 Před měsícem +11

    This show is moving way too slowly and focusing way too much on the women in the book. The first two episodes were great but since then it has been on a downward trajectory.

    • @KoiYakultGreenTea
      @KoiYakultGreenTea Před měsícem +76

      After so much focus on the men, I'm interested in the lives of the women. All the promo shots o Mariko with a spear. Fuji with her gun. And all the promo about how women are trained to gain influence. They fight in the a more indirect and occasionally direct way it seems.
      This courtesan in the very first episode has shown that she's good at reading man's desires and psyche and acts accordingly to survive

    • @anjaneyasreetrout2444
      @anjaneyasreetrout2444 Před měsícem +62

      Sounds more like a "subjective" problem rather than an "objective" one. I really don't see any issue with focusing on the female characters for the time being. They all have their roles within the story.

    • @be_mpty8916
      @be_mpty8916 Před měsícem +43

      Aside from the obvious "war", there's another war going on inside these characters. These internal and external wars are interconnected and influence the course of the story.

    • @bennwaters5851
      @bennwaters5851 Před měsícem +6

      @@anjaneyasreetrout2444 isn’t the purpose of having a best selling book adapted into a TV series to do justice to the source material?

    • @bennwaters5851
      @bennwaters5851 Před měsícem +5

      @@be_mpty8916 hahahaha I can assure you that in the source material (the book) the lives of these women have no influence on the outcome of the story.

  • @yomommastupid
    @yomommastupid Před měsícem +3

    i felt so bad for Mariko i really hope she and Anjin can be together

  • @markdowling287
    @markdowling287 Před 21 dnem +2

    Could you be a more lucky man I don’t think so. Seriously, though you have died and gone to heaven.