Mariko and Lady Ochiba Have an Intense Discussion Before Mariko's Death Shogun Episode 9
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My favorite scene. In the shot at 0:35 you can see the parallel between them and how they mirror each other, nearly looking identical
Both of these women are phenominal acctresses.
Mariko and Ochiba: *have a deeply intense and emotional conversation about trust and lost sisterhood*
Blackthorne: _Should...should I leave? I have no idea what they're saying, but this seems WAY too personal for me to be here._
It is more:"Few, i am glad i am not oblige to pick a side here. Dodge a bulet there John!"
This is when Ochiba realized she is smaller than Mariko. Ochiba could have a stronger grip on Osaka castle's Samurai when Taiko was still alive. Look at how Mariko commanded her Samurai in the attempt to leave Osaka castle.
Yodo-dono the historical figure on which Ochiba-dono was loosely based on was a Central Figure during the end days of the Sengoku Jidai. Ultimately she and her son which lose their lives in the burning Castle of Osaka marking the end of the Japanese Era of Warring States.
淀殿は戦国時代の武将織田信長の妹のお市の方の娘であり、豊臣秀吉の側室の中で唯一秀吉の子供を産んだ女性です。現代では茶々（本名）とも呼ばれています。
大阪夏の陣で徳川軍に攻め入られ1615年に息子秀頼と共に大阪城で自害し生涯を終えました。
John was able to read Mariko was troubled by all this, he was like damn right I got you bae lets go
Spoiler alert
this scene here carries a way more important weight than it lets on. Ochiba crying from the state of their current relationship implies that deep down inside, she still cares deeply for Mariko and regarded her as her own sister still, despite their troubled and complicated history.
Then, in the end, when Mariko recited that poem to her about accepting death and a fallen flower, she finally understood what Mariko intended to do and realized that there is nothing she can do to help her nor fight against it. Hence, she knew that in the end, people will lose respect for Ishido and this in the end will turn the tides against him in Toranaga's favor and that's why she decided to send that letter to Toranaga in the end, effectively ending the battle even before the war begin.
Toranaga and Ochiba were both a brilliant players in this game, they were hundreds of steps ahead of everyone else.
I love ochibas voice, somewhat musical
Am I the only one to think there is some truth in Lady Ochiba's words?
She is a liar and obvious manipulator and Ishido is too addled with ambition and lust to see the obvious. She isn't doing this for her Son, she is doing this because she desires to rule as the first female Shogun by proxy. In her mind, once she is done with Toranaga, she will eventually find some reason to be rid of Ishido...but unfortunately for her she and her Son this isn't how it will all play out.
I agree; there is truth in Lady Ochiba's words. It could be argued that Mariko acknowledges some of that when she chooses to shut down the conversation rather than answer the question, "How will piercing your heart protect your son?". Ochiba is trying to save Mariko by challenging her perspective, but her old friend has made up her mind.
@@Magnarud Yes, Mariko has a death wish that transcends everything. I don't get that feeling from the book and i don't remember it from the 1980 version.
私も同意します。実生活でも、対立する両者が正しいことはよくあることです。だから難しい。だから人生は面白い。
Maybe don’t spoil the show in the title?
More scenes not in the book. Not sure why they felt the need to create the conflict between the two. I'm guessing they used the conflict between Evelyn O'Connell and Anck-su-namun in the movie The Mummy Returns as their model.
Because it adds pathos and complexity to both their characters? You know, like a good adaptation should?
@@hfar_in_the_sky There is a difference between adaptation and creation out of whole cloth.
I just replied to you on a different video. Are you going on every clip to say that something is different than in the books?
You've read the books, why are you watching the show?
@@milosmilosmilos I watch the full episode before commenting. I also comment on individual clips where appropriate.
I watch them for the visual and casting achievements, which are pretty stunning. Buntaro and Gyoko are particularly well acted. Yabu and Ishido have their ups and down. I criticize them for the storyline that departs so greatly from the book.
@@hfar_in_the_sky Neither one needed such addition. I guess adding fiction to fiction to create a better fiction is all the mode anymore.
I think the screenwriters didn't like Clavell's presentation of Blackthorne as a hero and intentionally wire-brushed his character, while varnishing others.
The women depicted here are not only strong emotionally but at the same time exude such beautiful and natural femininity it's refreshing. It's what I think makes the best kind of women, not the bossy, pompous ones of today's western world.
What the bloody fuck are you talking about
Weeb
@@othelliusmaximus you're obviously too ignorant to know what that term even means. Simp.
この時代の日本女性は、私を含む現代の日本女性より賢く逞しいと思います。
Got to think about whether you western men deserve these kind of women? And whether you men can fit into the type of society that had these kind of women rather than the “bossy pompous” type ?
Lady ochiba has far hotter😊
No! Fuji is Best Girl!
bro you know thats cap
Younger too.🤣