Toranaga Have New Son | Shōgun Episode 10
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2024
- Shogun Samurai TV Series Season Finale
Toranaga got new baby, Toranaga have an Heir to replace Nagakado after his death.
#Shōgun #HiroyukiSanada #Samurai - Krátké a kreslené filmy
When toranaga said that he has other sons mirroring what ishido said the previous episode, it began to click that toranaga really isn't all that different from the other lords grasping for power
1:30 The moment he realises it all worked out as planned.
Lost a son, gained a son.
from a concubine?
@@jmgonzales7701still legitimate. The heir’s mother was a concubine but he is still the heir regardless
@jmgonzales7701 Eastern societies were different from western ones in that regard. Most western monarchs had one legitimate wife and mistresses from various social classes, so only the children of the legitimate wife, who was often the daughter of a powerful family or another monarch, counted, but in a lot of eastern societies, concubines were usually from well respected families and were essentially also married to the lord or monarch. So, their children were also legitimate. There was also the difference of birth order not really mattering as much in eastern cultures as in western cultures when it came to who would be heir. The eldest son was usually the heir, but if another son proved more suitable, or whose maternal family gained power over time and became powerful backers, or y'know if a younger son killed off or his competition, or the heir apparent simply fell out of favor with his father, another son would be appointed heir.
Toranaga really shows how cutthroat and ruthless he is in the last episode, felt like a new person stepped into his shoes. Just hand waves off his son's death, w/e got another.
he thanked his sons and his generalsa who died. they were necessary deaths
@@jmgonzales7701 necessary for his path in becoming shogun, not for the safety of the heir (whom he eventually requests the latter's mom to kill themselves)
@@bignerd5529 yes
Nakagado was too much of a loose canon which he proved when he foolishly killed the enemy general during the canon demonstration. That's when Toranaga decided to use his impusliveness to his benefit. At first, I thought it was Omi who encouraged Naka to go after Seaki at the courtesan house, but after viewing the last ep, I think Naka sent him instead. If Seki had perished, then he'd still get 49 days to grieve and got the same result when his son died instead.
I love his wife’s smile when asked if she read the message
“The more children you have, the more protection you have.”-Dwight K. Schrute
The moment Toronaga knew he won.
Always been a fan of Hiro. Since the 80's, his english name, Henry Sanada. Watched him in the Message from Space tv series.
those words are too beautiful to belong to you.. big balls the lady has..
I guess they simply have a very intimate relationship where they can tease each other like an old couple. She also kinda says here, that those words are too good to be his poem, which is true as they are Marikos words.
According to the FX Viewer's guide, Toranaga and Kiri basically grew up together. She was the daughter of one of the vassals of the lord Toranaga was given as a hostage to as a child. It makes sense she could talk to him like that, since they knew one another their whole lives and were married for at least 30 years.
All these women were bosses in their own right
Sanada is an amazing actor
Lady Kiri definitely read the letter.
If she admitted tho = interrogation + death.
the women kind of ran a lot of shit behind the scenes
Under Toranaga's banner, everyone is replaceable. 😈
I wouldn’t say replaceable. I’d say they were meant to play their roles.
Mariko sure wasn't, and that's exactly why her death brought him victory.
I don't know now what back in the days this was the first thing that your boss would tell you on your first day in the office
He saved Japan
@@richardshiflett5181how? I’ve watched the show but he still killed innocent people in the last episode(heads on pike). Can you explain?
Toranaga’s character is amazing because he fools us into thinking he is the good guy 😂
It was an extended vehicle warranty offer. He gets 1 of those a week.
This version of Toranaga seems more likeable
yeah he is far more evil here
Yes , he is likeable. That's necessary to control people.
Bro really timed it perfectly 😂😂😂
Mariko and Toranaga have another thing in common: they both betrayed the Catholic Church. Mariko by adultery and murder, Toranaga by destroying the Church in Japan after he became Shogun.
Toranaga watched how the Phillipines and China were subverted by Catholic Missionaries.
Wait wait, what Catholics did to her? I mean she died blowed up by shinobi under Ishido commands, right?
@@masteroffear5762 You misread it. She betrayed the Church; the Church did not betray her.
Had Toranaga not done that, Japan would’ve been North Philippines and the culture we all have come to love would be non existent.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena yeah and as a filipino i would not like japan to be like one of us, Tokuwgawa and his descendants made the right call.
Almost smacks of a series sequel, Toranaga 2.0
Just so I understand this right ..... Toranaga is complementing and thanking one of his mistresses for the baby son that replaces the one who died , and he is doing so right there in front of his actual wife and probably the mother of the sone who died ....and she seems fine with all of that!.?
Based on many comment, the older one is Toranaga's seisitsu (chief consort) and the younger one is shokusitsu (secondary consort/concubine). All of shokusitsu's children also legally considered as seisitsu's children.
this is japan in the 14th century we are talking about. One thing you have to know about cultures in the past maybe except for the west when they embraced Christianity most cultures monarch had a lot of wives and ofc they also had children with them.
@@jmgonzales7701 17th century. But you're not wrong about the rest. In pre-Christian Japan this was all very normal for a man of his status.
@@laerwen yeah i forgot it was 17th cenutury. But yeah most cultures had imperial harems it was normal.
Yeah guys, I get different times, different cultures etc and my comment wasn't a commentary or judgement on that. Just thought it was kinda hilarious amd in keeping with the character of Toranaga. 😁
I can't wait to start this show lol. I read the book years ago
What I don't understand is that historically and within the book, this character had other sons- plural- and another character in this series makes a point of saying as much. Is he really going to risk everything pinning his hopes on an infant who hasn't survived the first bout of childhood illnesses yet ?
even thought it's a baby, its still his son. Toranaga know well the power that family wield. having his newborn son under his control means he can't be used against him in a near future. Beside it's another agent that would be totally loyal to him he can mold as his will
Yeah most likely other sons that already grown up
He has other sons
We already now he has an adult son when we saw Ochiba’s sister talking to Mariko at Edo for Nagakado’s funeral in episode 8. She was married to Toranaga’s son. For some reason the show just didn’t show him
Toranaga's heir apparent was an interesting person - totally focused on his Father's wishes.
What's 17 more years?
Who are that two ladies?
Toranaga's consorts
@@hellotothepplI think one is the mother of consort
The older lady is wife number 1, the younger is a consort. Japanese had different types of marriages.
Old one was his wife, the other who had the baby was the wife of his son, Yoshii Nagakado. so daughter in law.
So, yes he is married to the older one, Kiri.(you could only have a singular legal wife). whereas the younger one, Shizu is only a concubine. But as i understand they still both have the duties of a consort and he so he collectively refers to them as his consorts. Either that or there is an additional concubine besides lady Shizu that was part of the retinue that I just didn't make note.
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