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Based on James Clavellâs novel, FXâs ShĆgun is set in Japan in the year 1600 at the dawn of a century-defining civil war. Lord Yoshii Toranaga is fighting for his life as his enemies on the Council of Regents unite against him, when a mysterious European ship is found marooned in a nearby fishing village.
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Lady Ochiba Reflects on Mariko's Past - Scene | ShĆgun | FX
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post the scene from episode 4 with jonh and mariko talking about england please!!! such and sweet scene
u could have done a lot more to push forth the dynamics..
Anna Sawai and Fumi Nikaido are great in their roles . I think this show deserve a lot of praise , because the entire cast gives strong performances across the series âïžâïžâïžâïžâïž .
I love how Ochibaâs character developed. At first, she appeared to be purely cold and ruthless.
We haven't heard from the actress playing Lady Ochiba. I would love to hear her perspective on her role and on this scene.
she did some interviews in japan
Copy-pasting her name in japanese can bring up interviews about this role.
At 0:42 Love how you can see Ochiba's face soften when she sees Mirako
Two friends, torn apart by forces outside of their control. If I may say, victims of circumstances who rolled with the flow.
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4:39 This line of Mariko is a quote from the farewell poem of Hosokawa Gracia, who is said to be the model for Mariko. This old farewell poem, which is more than 400 years old, is still loved by many Japan people living in the present day. This farewell poem beautifully explains why Japan people have loved the fall of cherry blossoms since ancient times. I would like to write down here the farewell poem that Hosokawa Gracia left in this world.
Itâs sad that the show is over. But Itâs better it ends perfectly like this instead of forcing a second season. And even if there was a second book by Clavell, most of the characters that made me love this show are gone alreadyâŠ
There is a distant sequel by Clavell called "Gaijin" which talks about the leadup to the Meiji Restoration and essentially features descendants of Toranaga. There's an opportunity there if they'll have it
One of the best scene †fumi just nailed it with one drop of tear
In order to truly understand Japanese movies and dramas, it is necessary to learn Japanese. Because Japanese has a variety of ways of saying things in the first, second, and third person, and changes can be made depending on subtle exchanges during conversation. The English translation is just I, you, and they.
Poor John, heâs ready to bolt out of there away from the drama.
Outside of pillowing and meeting Mariko and maybe Fuji, the potential bullshit back in England was more subtle than what he found himself amid in Japan.
Lady Ochiba is based on the real-life Yodo-dono.
Its funny that John just bolted outta theređ when Mariko said We should go now, like no bowing im done with this dramađ
Mariko is just so dame fine!!
Brilliant.....just brilliant đ
Ochiba is HOT
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Anjin: If i play my cards right theres a potential 3 way here
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Bro had his chance in the Willow World but gobbled its balls.
Now english speaker taste a bit what's like to be non english speaker... READ THAT SUBTITLE!!!
Great scene, too bad they kind of ruined Ochiba's character in the end, especially considering the actual historical events that transpired afterwards.
Didnt real life ochiba also made somewhat of a truce to the real life toranaga?
One thing I still dont understand is why would Ochiba take Toranagaâs side just because of Marikoâs death? It makes no sense.
Mariko is dead because of ishido, so ochiba switches sides just to kill ishido
@@gekii. Which gives Toranaga Total Power. Ochiba knew Toranaga couldnât be trusted. The entirety of Japan knows that Toranaga wants power for himself, we can even see this in the first couple of episodes where he is accused of aligning power against the council by expanding his fief and arranging marriages. So if Toranaga wins, her son loses the seat of power. She even explains everything that she went through to get her son. So she jeopardises her sons future and life (yes in actual history Tokugawa Ieyasu ends up besieging Osaka causing Yodo Dono (Ochiba) and Toyotomi Hideyori (the heir) to commit suicide, which is definitely what Toranaga would also do) just because her best friend who she hasnât met in over a decade died? That sounds silly in my opinion, which is why Iâm asking if there is another explanation given. Also, Ishido is honestly better for the heir as he physically cannot become Shogun due to his lineage and the fact that him being married to Ochiba (therefore being the heirâs stepfather) already gives him enough power, so there would be no need for him to want more other than to secure his own position, which after Ishidoâs death would give the heir total power.
@@TheGhost-fk4eo feel free to interpret, you can stick to the history if you want, or add a bit of fiction to them.
â @@gekii. You also skipped out on all the other aspects in the story that make this silly. *She doesnât trust Toranaga* this is very evident in the first episode we see her. She along with all of Japan knows exactly what Toranaga wants, the evidence is there. Considering everything that she went through to get her son, it is silly to throw that all away because her friend she hasnât seen in 10 years died. Also in James Clavellâs Book Gaijin which takes the place 250 years after the events of shogun (yes is is the same universe) the heirâs clan is confirmed to be destroyed? What do you think happened? They all just died? Clavell has shown that he sticks to the general way history went whilst changing only the minor details that wonât make much of a difference, if Sekigahara is there, I see no reason why the sieges of Osaka would not also happen considering their importance. Also, it is absolutely in Toranagaâs character and best interests to eliminate the heir. When Toranaga dies, the heir could challenge Toranagaâs successor, putting everything Toranaga did into jeopardy. So to secure his dynasty he would need to eliminate those that could pose a threat in the future (AKA The Heir). Ochiba is not stupid and would know that Toranaga wouldnât just leave any loose ends (especially one as big as that).
The original book had a better explanation as to why The Heirâs army did not fight at Sekigahara. Ochiba did not want to risk losing her son, as if he fought in the battle and lost, he would have to be put to death. However, this wasnât a big twist for Ishido, he knew this. What happened in the battle was the Christian Regents betrayed Ishido for what he did to Mariko.
She didn't take Toranaga's side, she simply removed support for Ishido. We find out she blocked the heir's army from joining Ishido, not that they switched sides and are fighting for Toranaga. There's a difference. I think she made a truce rather than gave full support to Toranaga. Mariko's death is what causes Ishido to lose, and Ochiba, who wants to save herself and her son and maintain her power, realized this. Toranaga had won and she simply did what was best for her and her son in the new circumstances. She still doesn't trust him or even support him but she falls in line out of self preservation.