Cars Are Slower! - GTA Fact-Finding №1
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- čas přidán 17. 11. 2014
- A brand new series for the channel starts with some pretty big news relating to next-gen GTA (or new-gen, however you want to call it). Watch the video to get the full scoop! EDIT: See below to find out why this was happening!
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Remember to let me know down below what you think about this change and what you want me to investigate for the rest of this series.
UPDATE: I got to the bottom of why this is happening in the next video of this series. See that here: • Turbo Upgrade Broken! ...
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F.A.Q.
- Bikes are affected too
- Wheel types don't change the results
- Top speed is lowered, it isn't just acceleration
- Catch up is turned off. It always is with me.
- It has nothing to do with previously owned vehicles being affected by character transfer. Newly bought vehicles are slower too
- Initial testing suggests best fully upgraded cars lists won't change very much
Posted this in the description too but I feel people don't look there very often :)
One theory I had about this yesterday which would be interesting to test, is if the Character Transfer reset the skill data on the Character whilst still maintaining the stat display as it was. So basically your driving skill would be read as 0 but displayed as maxed. And then possibly because of the display it refuses to increase, so you are stuck with 0 driving skill on your character. This could be tested by starting a new character in NG and leveling up their driving skill to see if it then performs better then your main character.
Driver skill on GTA online only affects ability to move car when airborn
its to cope with the 30fps, many people would have experienced the frame rate drop at high speeds where the map wouldn't render properly, reducing the cars speed lets the game keep up with the motion
TheDpt1979 The margin of the 2 speeds would make no to very little change to framerate, we're talking like 100 versus 105-110mph at tops (fictional numbers), same for acceleration. If the console couldnt cope with a Prairy, so they lowered it, why would a Turismo R do just fine, since its over twice as fast as a Prairy?
You should test rumble strips and their affect on speed
I guess Rockstar are doing what Formula 1 are doing. The cars are more advanced but are slower.
Good analogy haha
I got to the bottom of why this is happening in the next video of this series. See that here: Turbo Upgrade Broken! - GTA Fact-Finding #2 (Next Gen Info)
I was more distracted by the differences in graphics than the speeds. XD
Bludude4 is this fixed now?
Real one
fascinating review ! i love those details about the cars. i learn so many things from your channel
i was looking to the enviorment of the races and you can clearly see that there is more detail in everything, at least that good
Awesome work man, you're one of the best youtubers and hands down the best for GTA. I just can't get enough of your videos!
Thanks I appreciate that!
It could be to try and make the speedometer correct on the new gen
I guess testing the speedometer is something I can do for this series XD
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But to make it correct wouldn't the vehicles actually need to go faster? I know the top speed is capped online around 150-160 or so, but the in game descriptions give top speeds of 200+ for many cars.
Making the cars slower would only make the discrepancy more noticeable, right?
Joshua F Unless the speedometer is woefully inaccurate
Well it's going to be by sheer game design isn't it? The speed in game (along with the gravity/weight of objects) is grossly overstated to give the appearance of speed while driving.
Making the cars actually go slower would only make the "real" speed even more inaccurate. That's what I'm thinking anyway,
The top speed is capped in normal online to reduce pop in. But in races I don't think it's capped.
Ah, the very first video from what was "next gen" version of GTA V back then. To think it gave us over 7 years of content and fun, and further 2+ years on "current gen" platforms is amazing. Thanks for your great work all these years 😊
I even tried buying new cars no that didnt work i love racing but when feel slow its a bit frustrating keep the good work up dude
Another brilliant video Broughy. Next gen is ready for you to jump back in the driver seat and take charge!
Wtf why did they do that? I was hoping they made the new gen cars way faster. The cars were already really slow and they made it even slower lol.
i think it's because of the rendering issues or the first person, still, extremely stupid
***** They should fix it.
fetullah ydz they should, we petrolheads can never get enough POWER!! and now they reduce it?? I think they want to see the whole car community burn!
Informative video yet again Broughy, thank you.
No problem :)
I love your scientific approach to stuff Broughy None of your "The car is just awesome in its awsomeness." here by flip! Great vid. Cheers.
No problem! Thanks :)
Interesting finding, hopefully it's a bug and not a new "feature" for the next gen so you won't have to re-test all those cars! I'd say this is major if the old world record laps and times carried over. I guess we will find out hopefully by the next major title update.
I'm also curious to see how well the new (to GTA5/GTAO at least) cars such as the Dukes, Stallion and Blista Compact stack up against the top cars of the class. I'm also hoping the new stock car livery will carry over to GTAO. I've been busy playing the single player campaign in next gen so I haven't had a chance to see how the next gen conversion of GTAO turned out. From what has been shared on CZcams however, everything looks fantastic!
i had a feeling cars where slower thanks for confirming it good vid :)
Wow, the game looks remarkably better. Makes me excited for the PC version. Great informative video also!
Cheers! And yeah it does look incredible in comparison.
Yep new something was up thats why had to check you out dude i new I'd get an answer your the best ;)
great video. i thought it felt a tab bit slower on the high end
First I thought the handling has changed, when driving in free roam. To verify this I tried a race and realised, there wasn't a real difference in racing. I was a bit confused, but now this: Thanks for testing changes, Broughy ;)
By the way: Take a look on the editor, there are really nices changes. Tire walls are such a great addition for race creators
Yeah I'm looking forward to updating a few of my races :)
This is a very solid video Brohy.
You exposed this next gen GTA 5 for what it is: literally an inferior performer when it comes to racing.
A major reason for me to not make the move to PS4.
Yeah it's a bit of a shame.
at 8:47 suddenly the map looks huge, like an endless range of mountains I kinda like that
It could be a technical reason. Maybe they adjusted the physics of the game witch would change the acceleration forces. Or they take new forces into account like wind resistance ect.
Haha bull fucking shit.
They did this so when you drive fast you don't get crazy pop ins everywhere like on past gen
melojordans23 Well, that would also be a "technical" reason.
melojordans23 Totally wrong. Go into single player and test cars with the slow motion speed boosting using Franklin's ability. No pop in whatsoever, at speeds way above what you can get without the ability boosting.
VaNilla after slow motion, the car reduce it speed.
***** No they don't, test it. Slow motion ability only reduces vehicle speed on offroad surfaces.
Very interesting! I'm betting most people don't like this. Supers get used as much as they do because people want a faster racing experience.
I have no idea why they'd do this unless they plan on introducing faster cars in the future.
If you're going to look at anything next, I'[d be interested to know if OR tyres still have a stability advantage. If there was anything they were going to correct, I'd guess that'd be one of the first things.
Stunning series each and every one, is there an episode about the brake upgrades and maybe the lifetime benefits of bulletproof tyres in racing?
Raymond Lee Thanks! There isn't atm
Oh and I love how you swapped into 1st person view for half a second to get the thumbnail :P
You do so much racing. Gta racing, real life racing. I can only imagine you one day winning a championship in NASCAR.
Haha I doubt it, but who knows?! :)
Great find man! I'm curious to know whether they added an extra underlying stat to spoilers, like how RL spoilers increase downforce but limit top speed?
Good question. I'll add it to the list. Doesn't show any change in LSC but who knows!
This could be to add more supercars that are even faster than the old ones, without making them too fast to handle
Hello, Dom is live said you did some great analysis videos I am not dissapointed :)
Good to know! Thanks :)
Can you check if. Some cars have new bodyparts. More customizable. The gountlet for example
That is mad weird 2 to 3 seconds behind idk why I'm thinking it's what you said Broughy, for the textures and roads to pop up so you won't run into something random that spawns outta nowhere or throws you off. Good investigating Broughy your like a private eye GTA Detective now lol. Oh and hows the first person? I know that has to be trippy being in that FOV.
Haha yeah I seem to be taking on that role XD Could very well be the frame rate/texture issues indeed. First person is actually really amazing. So much immersion it's great.
This too, I think the run while in first person thing is weird, should still be able to walk, probably needs to be this way though. Try holding the stick all the way forward while in FPM then switch your view. Character stops running.
Take a shot every time his says "it's a complete scaling".
Maybe they just thought the overall "quickness" of the cars was just a little too fast? That'd be understandable.
Hey Broughy!
Could you do a video on if the body modifications affect speed in next gen?
I shall do my best :)
It'd be nice to see how the accuracy of the speedometer holds up, ad we'll as an investigation into top speeds. Upon initial experience, it seems that my cars (adder, carbinazaire for example) weren't getting above 115 - 120 mph (according to the Speedo). Strange. Still lovin the next gen. Hopefully any glitches, mistakes, will get sorted out soon in next patch
person from the future here
according to our testy boi analog speedos with needles and stuff are pretty much always wrong and digital ones that show an actual number are fairly accurate
@Broughy1322. i enjoy your videos i stumbled upon them while i recently got into gta v online racing. i would like to see a video of the differences between the suspension upgrades for sports class. i hope you are able to make a video and i would very much appreciate it! im watching all of your videos in this list
Suspension will be covered as much as it needs to be at the end of episode 6 of this series. Glad you're enjoying my videos! Thanks :)
I can't help but wonder if this has something to do with the lower gfx resolution and lesser power of the old gen systems... Almost like they put a slight increase on old gen to avoid pop-in and rendering issues during high speed racing. Now we can actually enjoy the sights... :)
Broughy do you think that this was accidental? Like the issues with the Sandking SWB and the Z-Type a couple months ago.
Honestly I don't think so. I feel it was intentional.
I'm thinking speed is all scaled down so that they can get the better resolutions on the new generation without having serious frame dips at high speed. R* might change this again for PC because they can be a whole lot more powerful, and deal with better resolutions at higher frame rates.
Resolution/frame rate issues could certainly be at the heart of it.
Suddenly I'm not half as sad that I haven't got a new-gen console yet. :-)
Maybe they buffered the speed to make cars easier to control in general. Your standard gta player can't turn around a sharp corner.
Your videos are really great work. But I was wondering if the 360 transfer like the primary character to either system. I have seen you tube of the first character go from 360 to PS4 but what of the second character of the 360 slot. Can the second 360 character get the same chance to alter appearance before going into PS4.
I have no idea honestly. Google will be your best bet for that. I would imagine both characters can transfer though.
It works. You're good to transfer if u have second character
Thanks, I will do. I have 2 high level characters for a 40 car collection.
Its because they will be adding different stages of turbo upgrades for the upcoming heists DLC. You cant see it in LSC yet but they will add it.
Source of this info?
Holy shit, you're the best racer I've ever seen
Haha why thank you :)
So they actually made the lawnmower slower than it was on old gen? Is that even possible?
My guess on why the times are slower is that the cars/bikes on PS4/XBone all have working speedometers. R* made the change to ensure acceleration was realistic.
Are you going to make a video testing the Dukes & Stallion? Cant forget the new Blista also.
I hope so yes.
I'm pretty sure it's because the "next gen" hardware can't handle rendering the world at high speeds in 1080p without pop-ins and texture fade. They probably had to choose to either reduce the quality of the graphics, reduce the resolution or this... and actually this might have been best option.
This looks to be a turbo bug. On a 1.05 mile straight test track....
Car PS3 XB1
Stock Zentorno 40.8 40.8
Modded Zentorno(NO TURBO) 38.5 38.5
Modded Zentorno(WITH TURBO) 37.6 39.6
New gen cars are faster without turbo tuning!
And here is the final nail in the turbo's coffin.
With nothing but a turbo installed I get a 41.4. Slower than stock!
You good sir just made your way into my next video :) Your name did at least. Great info there. Top job!
This is really bad because i was also hoping they would be faster. The biggest problem with GTA V on last gen was that the cars where to slow. And now they are even slower, that's really bad.
Stock car comparisons on the freeways or airport runways?
I have mixed feelings. As humans, we generally don't like change. We like to keep things consistent and the same so we know how to handle things. However, this CAN be a good thing. With cars being a bit slower, you can really let her rip and take it to the limit and minimize your mistakes. Until I actually play it on the next gen (well, current gen actually) PS4, I can't give an ACTUAL opinion until I've played it. Moving forward...
Things I'd like to see investigated:
-Do carbon modifications on a car improve the car? Does the lighter weight allow it to get more speed and better traction?
-I've seen that sunglasses can change the way your character sees the environment. Does this affect the frame rate at all whilst racing? Also, will it reduce the glare from the sun while racing in first person?
-If applicable, could you do a comparison of load times (both starting up GTA Online and respawing) of PS3 vs PS4? I know for the PS3 (when you're just starting the console and waiting for GTA Online to load), it takes 20,000 years! XD
-Are we ever going to see the fastest running shoes in Cutting Coroners GP?! XD Just kidding.
I'm not quite sure how to word this but ... How is the rain while racing? Does it feeling like you slip around more than on the PS3/360? I can't wait to do night time racing in the rain in first person mode! :-) And finally...
-Can YOU uncover the Jetpack?! XD
Thanks so much for bringing this issue to everyone's attention. I think I can speak for us all when I say I really enjoy your content and appreciate the hard work you put into your videos and that you take your work seriously. I feel that I learn something new almost every time I watch ANY of your videos and that I'm truly valued, respected, and welcomed in the NODO community. Thanks again for everything to you've done and continue to do and have a great rest of 2014 and a stellar 2015, good sir! :-)
Thanks for the kind words and great, much appreciated :) I'll be sure to keep your list noted down for future reference. May have to disappoint on the jetpack though XD
Do you think that off road tires are still the best and do curb boosts still work
Yes and yes
I for one approve of this. If all the cars are effected in the same way then there is nothing to gripe about except for hot lappers. I think the games functionality is more important than a silly lap time.
Kind of agree, although it does make the cars easier to drive since they didn't scale back traction in the same way.
lol. Time to restart the fastest cars series :)
How looks the fireworks on NG? Thanks
I'm curious if the rear diffusers in the next gen edition of GTA 5 adds additional traction. I found it to be a bit odd that it didn't on the last gen.
I shall investigate!
:D!
***** Quick question: can non-high end vehicles (e.g., the Bati 801, Zion, Sadler, and Bison) be found on the streets of the state and taken into the garage? I want to save myself the cash from having to buy these vehicles when I could just find these.
Yep I believe they can.
All i know is it takes the excitement out and catch up seems to be twice as slow hopefully they fix it otherwise racing going to get boring :(
I feel I need to say; I feel so bad for you Broughy D: All that work and it was outdated so quickly! Atleast a ton of people are still on PS3 and Xbox 360 so your work hasn't been a total waste!
Yeah don't worry about me, I'l get over it :) Cheers though!
Could be that more cars will be added that have a higher top speed equal to the fastest of old gen.
Maybe, but there are other things to consider now. People who drive in first person, more objects loading as you pass by or maybe they are just tweaking for w/e reason. I've head people saying they also changed the turning speed of the cars. I think the driving was perfect on last gen, I'm gonna have to wait for the PC version to check it out.
Will you do this again on november for expanded and enhanced?
where I can find a video explaining why and how much Off-road wheels are better than high-end or sports ones? Thank you in an advance
There you go: Off-Road Wheels & Why You Need Them! - GTA Online Racing #34
When u fully upgrade cars can u put the price it cost to upgrade them on there to please
The feltzer and jester might now be faster than the massacro? And voltic might be good. Turismo also
It's a possibility, but it's too early to say. Voltic won't be much better though since acceleration is affected too.
You mention the top speed cap, but does that seem to be altered or can you still reach the same speeds?
Yep top speed is slower too.
that winners circle/scene/shot looks nice, but i only got a bit of a glance, whats your though on it, either ways,
do you think races in NXGen would be interesting, or peculiar while it stays as it is,(unless it isn't an error), so far NXGen is appealing, despite the fact of PS+, and that i have no way of getting it at the moment, but wish all NXGen's a wonderful NXGen Experience, ^-^
some how i had expected the controls, and how the vehichles feels to be different rather than their speed, either ways, have a nice day, ltr ^-^
Yeah I like the addition of the car in the background of the winner. The cars are in general easier to use so races may end up being a lot closer. Or at least it will be easier to get closer to the maximum out of the cars.
They probably re-scaled the car to the world for first person view
It could possibly just be so they can add new, even faster cars while still keeping the bikes faster, unless the bikes are scaled down as well? In which case I guess it's a change in some aspect of the physics of the game.
Bikes are also slower.
This sucks, hope your series will work!
Just looking back at this video and noticed you got a 1:04.5 with the zentorno. How is it you got a 1:00.9 with the zentorno in the 2017 version of your testing?
Those arent meant to be time stamps btw
nvm I just answered my own question it was the broken turbo upgrade
So this is going to effect tests quite a lot on how quick cars like the Dukes and Stallion and others in the future
Well I won't be able to test the new-gen only cars at all until I decide to test everything else again.
***** How about you test, say, the Sabre, Vigero, and similar muscle cars on your test track, then use those new-gen slower times to compare to the Dukes and Stallion?
It's a pretty safe bet, assuming all cars were slowed down with their Top Upgraded Cars positions maintained.
Instead of re-testing everything, test a few cars to see if positions were maintained, then where the new cars fit in with their classes.
qx4n9e1xp Yeah there are a lot of ways I could go about doing it. I want to see how the situation with car performance develops first though
Great video like usual.....Why would they make cars slower? That doesn't make sense in the slightest.........
You really need to test them again with 0% armour. I think they increased the gap on how the weight of the car influences the top speed. On last gen a sensible 5% difference was discovered, so..
Broughy, being deadly serious here, but could you try running around the original cutting coroners and compare it to when you ran around that track on last gen from your first series?
I shall try to fit it in :)
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So obviusly following the Turbo discovery there isn't much point in testing running speed again anymore
Have you tested to see if it's tires changing the speeds? And they infact changed how they work
Yep, cars are still slower with different tyres.
Jet skis have an actual upwards stream now.
That's pretty cool. Need to check that out.
If first person is slowing things down maybe you should try a race where the perspective is locked to third person? It might not make a difference at all because they've probably locked the times across the entire game, but it could be worth a go?
I'll investigate
What I'm feeling in next gen is the cars actually shifting gears now instead of just slapping straight into the gears like last gen which would make the cars slower since they aren't instant changing gears without the input of a human on the shifter.
Off topic but how is the ps4? I'm still on the fence about which one to get. I know the majority of NoDo have gone to the ps4 but I hear that psn isn't great and also I wouldn't be able to transfer my Xbox Live account over.
You can transfer your character from 360 to PS4, and I've had no issues whatsoever. Also some of the comparison vids are showing the PS4 to be better in some areas when it comes to the fullness of foliage and whatnot. PS4 seems to be the better option so far.
Thanks, I think I'm leaning towards the ps4 :)
So on last gen, even supercars had rly low top speed (around 200 km/h) because of HW limitations. Now, they have much more power and they make cars even slower? WTF Rockstar? I hope this is a bug, and if not, modders will be able to fix this on PC.
Broughy I have read that the cars feel weightier. Maybe R* changed the game physics which led to each vehicle gaining more weight?
It's a possibility.
Weird. We'll have to see how this pans put. I myself am against slowing it down.
Your vids look sweet now. Nicer graphics, obviously, but it also seems a lot more fluent.
Yeah the game looks stunning now it has to be said :)
***** Does the PS4 keep the framerate more steady than the old gen? And how is it during graphics-heavy moments with many actors, explosions and such?
Renegade Cz Haven't noticed any issues so far tbh. Feels crisp/
I really hope the list hasn't changed too much. I'd really hate to have to give up all the cars I've spent money upgrading because they aren't as fast anymore :/ by the way, does this mean you're doing your fastest cars in each class series again?
I'll be waiting to see how things progress before making a decision on whether to do any retests
I would be interested to see if there are any changes as well let us subscriber know if we can help in any way.
Can you investigate the following things:
-Is the victory celebration still bugged.
-Is the tattoo glitch (blurry, pixelated mess) still present.
-How much have loading times improved.
-Are catchup and slipstream still on by default.
-Is the matchmaking system still garbage.
-Are there any positive changes.
Thank you.
No
No
Lots
Yes
Yes
Yes
What?! I expected cars to become faster, as in last gen they had a speed cap in both SP and MP (the speed cap was more significant on MP because of network and such) due to loading times, so I expected it would have been lifted in these "new" "powerful" consoles, really weird, must be R* Logic at work again.
We can see the difference in next gen just by seeing cars both in online and story
test if tire performance and curb boost has changed
thanks for the video
No problem :)
Broughy, mabe they made a realistic step on new-gen, and cosmetic parts add weight making cars slower?
Possibly, I shall test.
You should check if running in a straight line is slower on next gen. That would mean the overall game could have been slowed down. It would fit the 1st person assumption u made more.
Hey Broughy, one of the reviewers said that first person driving is harder, are you planning on making a video comparing first and third person racing?
Yeah I'll probably cover it.
Does it matter what size spoiler you use for your cars? I normally use the most expensive one but does it matter which one you use?
Nope it makes no difference
***** Ah ok so is there a difference between the tire types as well?
Only this czcams.com/video/d0kDIRrxgIA/video.html
I did email the Rockstar Suggestion email for Gta Online about this, so we will have to see if I get a reply
Hmm... Not sure how to feel about this, its not exactly bad since it has affected everything, but i kinda liked how the acceleration made it feel like you were just exploding out of a corner when your in a Zentorno or similar. So i guess it will make the cars seem a little more tame i suppose?
That's exactly it. No more feelings of raw power from the cars any longer.
I'm glad this happened as it'll help with *frame rate* online, I've been wanting this since the beginning at that. You all know this, you drove so fast on last gen that the game dropped frames, lagged out, maybe even froze the game? Cars could drive just too damn fast, which didn't look aesthetically pleasing to me, it's inherently easy to drive in this game anyway.
I wouldn't mind them slowing down the cars if they scaled back the traction too. Now the cars are just too easy to drive.
It's certainly arcady, but it always has been man :/ I wonder if this game puts your GT game off.
Mav rick that happens to me even now ....it has to do with internet connection not that the cars are too fast for the game to handle. I have some sessions where i am flying top speed through los santos perfectly with nothing getting in my way...other times when i get a laggy connection the framerate dips down majorly and sometimes the screen will freeze for 3 seconds but i can still here the car moving. Ya no reducing the cars speed does not help or hurt the framerate for next gen that is just you either luck out and have a good overall connection with everybody or you dont and the performance dips down.
Another thing... This means that cars with higher top speeds are hurt even more. If it's scaled, what used to be a 10mph difference may now only be 2-3mph, which means faster cars (Adder?) are even more useless. At least they could have made the difference in top speeds noticeable by scaling down in a non linear fashion maybe? (i.e. the top 10 supers are MUCH faster than most).
But then again I guess this isn't a racing game.
Can this speed issue be bypassed by performing wheelies on motorcycles?
Wheelies do still improve performance on bikes but they are still a little slower overall.