Spoilers vs Downforce (Why The Itali GTB Custom is Slower) - GTA Fact-Finding №23
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- čas přidán 11. 02. 2017
- Why is the Itali GTB Custom slower than the regular, cheaper, Itali GTB? In this video I answer that question as I delve into the rather new subject of downforce in GTA, and how it differs from the spoilers on cars that we're used to.
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To clarify on this video since updates were made afterwards - spoilers are now required on all downforce vehicles. They will improve performance but to a lesser extent than they would on a non-downforce vehicle. The Itali GTB Custom is still slower than the regular Itali GTB though.
So now I should change the default spoiler of my omnis and I will be able to go faster on corners?
Buy if I select the other spoilers option it doesn't show on the traction bar that I have more traction now
Still annoyed that the traction bar does not increase with a spoiler upgrade on the vehicles with downforce...
Damn. At 10:08 you spin the dude out but don't overtake, that is beautifully respectful. Too bad you can't find that often online
VA Without A Job it's pretty common in racing situations within the racing community
Huha Where is that community?
Huha I know it's pretty common in that community, I'm just saying that it'd be nice if others were like that, obviously not possible with the kids that push you around and such
Butnaru it's everywhere, broughys stream crew and his old crew that still exists but focuses more on racing
i do that, sometimes
I m gonna do a TL;DW for those who are not really into this stuff and keep asking the same questions every time : Itali GTB Custom has the downforce stat set too low for it to be more efective all-round compared to the normal Itali GTB which gets a spoiler upgrade . The "traction" increase in high speed corners given by the downforce stat is not enough to make up the time you lose in low speed corners where the benefit of a spoiler would be more efective. PLEASE watch the video as Broughy explains this in-depth really well.
10:05 RESPECT TO BROUGHY FOR NOT JUST SPEEDING AHEAD
Says no videos for a week, posts video the day afterwards. #Broughylogic
Great vid as always
CoyneDawg well he recorded this in the 24h stream
This is a prime example of why you're such a great gta youtuber as opposed to everyone else
Detailed examples and comparisons with file-specific values for the sake of the most perfect information possible to educate our spending
I pretty sure 80% of gta players don't understand traction and down force at all, also why no slipstream?
Ray Wei slipstream negates the realism in racing
Ray Wei yup, i always turn off slipstream and catch up because it essentially cheats out any realism
Except that slipstream is prevalent in real racing... just not to the extent of this game...
I wish they'd put in "mild slipstream" already.
no slipstream because in gta it's really overpowered and in real life it's not as effective as it is in gta
What Jordan said. Slipstream is way too OP.
10:05
Now that's proper sportsmanship, waiting for the guy to recover instead of overtaking him by ramming him off. GTA Online needs more racers like you.
its actually pretty standard among non shithead racers
only problem is those non shitheads are few and far between
The customs are faster but to get them go faster you have to make a slight drift
nope,customs are slower,any good racer could tell you that
adder beats the shit out of everyone when using slight drifting technique under water while leaning forward
Sayad _ you clearly didn't watch the 24hour stream
Deekah 3B lmfao
how does one do the slight drift technique?
But what if you drifted it ever so slightly? *Kappa*
Evan056 where did this joke come from?
Star Scream there was a comment in the sports lap time video where someone said that they use drifting in a massacro as a way to beat elegies and win races
24hr stream he did this weekend
Star Scream A guy said on fastest sports cars video that no one, even Broughy, knew how to use the Massacro properly, and said that it is actually quicker than the elegy, but had to use a slightly drifting technique...
Yes, on tracks with longer straights and smoother corners. Yes. In a track with a lot of tight corners. No, especially 90 degree corners.
You kept your word and didnt edit out the takeout, nice :P
This video: 10/10. Thank you.
Glad it rated so highly!
Appreciate all the hard work you do for us!
When you thought Rockstar couldn't mess even more with the classes and they put a 1.5 value to the downforce in this custom car...
I'm watching this 3 years later. Now that the GTB is on the podium, this is extremely helpful.
Same except I remember this video so I’m just here to see what color his car was so his favorite car that got wiped from his character can live on
It just looks nice
Without the traction bonus of the spoiler, the 'downforce only' cars should technically be easier to induce into a slight drift... and therefore would be faster if driven correctly. kappa
Lmao
Don't laugh at him. I like when these random go sliding through a corner with their fast drift. Gives me an easy pass. ;)
Broughy1322 Your videos are very good and informative.I hate how when somebody says GTA community they instantly think of MrbossFTW or LispyJimmy and not the actual community of people like you and CCC in racing and Thefrieghttrain or Nick van Dutch when it comes to money making methods ect ect...
CZcams is broken where is your 1mill subs
MrBossFTW Stole it
Jasowan_ Ohhhh shit tru af 😂
Henry Armadillo it's not broken, this content just doesn't appeal to a lot of people
Pepinus and yet clickbait appeals to a lot of people?
Jasowan_ true
Man I'm glad I found this video. It's incredibly informative. Great work and thank you.
Damn I've been waiting for this, thanks Broughy - good job mate :)
KazzaTwo hello ;)
you told me what i already knew anyway, but i still enjoyed the vid! Great work!
Great vid as always
this is the cleanest GTA V racing I've ever seen. Even when you accidentally spun the first place guy out, you let him recover and continued the race in a respectful manner. great vid man as always :)
This is something I really needed to know and you explained it very well. Thanks for the info Bruff! 👍😊
Was hard concentrating on what you where saying because of that great race, good video broughy
Great video Broughy! Very informative
Broughy, you're a genius! The information in this video was easy to understand and you even answered my question about the situation with the stock Nero / Nero Custom although the video wasn't even about it in the first place.
Please keep doing these videos sir, they're like a lighthouse in the giant mud puddle that is CZcams nowadays.
Great video Broughy!
I already knew why this is, but i watched it anyway because your videos are just so well made.
Nice video. Very informative! :)
Very different type of porn. Enjoyed though... enjoyed
I thought porn was not allowed on youtube.
I love how Broughy is always interactive in the comments. Great video. It must have taken a pretty long time to make.
watched whole video, good job helping entire gta racing community!
Fascinating, cheers Broughy. I had time away from GTA, but now I am coming back I need to know how out of date my racing garage is! Also congrats on not choking this time ;)
Very good video! :)
You are one of the few who know their stuff! Good job.
very well made video broughy ^^. hopefully for the next GTA R will have all of this new things already and have a better balanced car selection.
great info broughy. thanks
Always entertaining and interesting videos Broughy,keep up the great content!
Greetings from France ^^
Cheers!
Ahhh new Fact Finding episode!!!
Best series after "Real Life Racing" imp.
The feeling you've been following Broughy for so long, you always know all of this. GG though, good video as always.
Great explanation Broughy!
Awesome video.
Can't argue with science! Good stuff. And congrats on 24 hour stream!
GG and congrats on the 24h stream again!
This video helped me a lot
Very interesting, thanks Broughy. Keep up the amazing work!
Cheers man!
Maybe something to add for other video's like this to make things even clearer:
Just like in your laptime-testing thumbnails there is the track layout in the bottom right. You put this outline twice on the screen, one for the downforce cars, and one for the spoiler cars (it should be the same outline to show the different strengths and weaknesses).
Then for the downforce cars you highlight every corner that gets the benefit for having a downforce mechanic green and mark everything red where the downforce doesn't really help. E.G. high speed corners = green, hairpins = red.
You do the same for the spoiler cars. Mark everything green to reflect parts where the car benefits from having a spoiler and mark everything red where the car is badly influenced by a spoiler. I hope this makes sense and I really hope you understand this, lol.
Yeah wasn't a bad idea. Could certainly have done that. Wish I had now XD Hopefully I explained it with words well enough.
I understood it all, but it would be even easier for one to understand this story with a drawing or picture I think! :)
You're soo good at racing!!
Great explanation, thank you!
If feel like broughy deserves a lot more subs for all the time and effort to make these vids that are so useful to us people that actually watch him.
Anyways great job on the vids👍 Keep it up!
Thanks for the kind words! :)
They should increase the amount of downforce on the italia gtb to 3 so that it's faster than the normal italia gtb because what's the point of buy the custom version of it if it is slower than the normal version.
Sonder11alex yeah but that's boring just like the r87b because it's so easy to drive.
Sonder11alex yes I agree also because it cost more to get it all pretty making it look like a actually race car?
Rockstar Cash Grab
On stunt tracks and rockstar tracks in general, there are more high speed corners making the downforce more effective. However on well made community tracks, there are more low speed corners making the spoiler traction more effective.
Yep. They ruin MOD cars after Benny! Why we pay money for upgrade and «mod» car will slow, then regular? WTF LOGIC R*?!
amazing info
Long story short:
- Spoilers add a fixed amount of traction, regardless of speed
- Downforce adds increasing amounts of traction with more speed. No speed = no extra traction
Hey good work
Bro you're an amazing racer 🔥🔥🔥
Great analysis
Thanks Broughy!
makes sense to me! thanks Broughy!
Happy to help!
In my own anecdotal experience, I find the Itali GTB and Specter very competitive in really high speed stunt races. In fact, they are becoming my go to cars for crazier wall climbing races. I think there is some added value in the down force when you are flying through the air a lot. It gets you back down on the track and in control faster.
And I am referring the the custom versions above. In Green Machine in particular, It seems like the Itali tends to fly ahead other cars coming out of all the tunnels with sharp twists.
Thanks dude 🤠👍
Funneh thing: It's not even the spoiler who adds traktion, it's the spoiler-UPDATE. Some cars have a spoiler as default and u get a performance upgrade when u REMOVE the spoiler, bescause it's a spoiler-update. :D
Dude, are you racing in real life or other shit? You are killing it!
Thanks for the explanation. I definitely understand down-force a bit better now. Hope to see the next updated track and high speed testing videos soon. Is muscle class next?
I watched your streaming for like 15 minutes (started 10 minutes before you got the 1332 donation :D)
yea i know what downforce means
that's pretty unrealistic you don't need a spoiler to get the downforce
Well explained
title change
You better be sleeping dammit! I'm pretty wrecked from the 20 hours I watched yesterday, so you must be worse off.
In any case though, great video as always, it's really nice to have a source to point people to when they ask about this, which they do, a lot, thanks :)
Trying to get back on a normal sleeping schedule so I'm up now XD
I suppose a few more hours wouldn't make much difference at this point.
Have a good holiday!
I came for the "slight drift" comments.
I wasn't disappointed.
I love them XD
#100kRapBattle
Meanwhile they introduce the downforce thing in the cunning stunts update. Magically it is applied the same time the spoiler effect is for the RE-7B , Tyrus, and ETR1. Hmmm weird they "bug out" when they add it only for those 3 especially when they costed over $2 million each. Bet they did it on purpose to get people to buy those 3 cars. Also weird how the next update they fixed the "bug" and made the cars slow.
Take2 are a bunch of slimy, greedy corporate arses but this is a little too far into the silly conspiracy theory terriftory. Rockstar are just utterly incompetent. This is the same company that managed to somehow make aiming speed inversely proportional to framerate, somehow managed to make a typo with the Casco's brake lights that causes one to be permanantly on and still not have fixed it. The same company that put out an LAPV that was nearly RWD due to a typo in the handling data and as a result wasn't very good offroad and then put out another offroader with the exact same issue that has yet to be fixed. Hell, if we want to go really far back, the same company that managed to screw up an FPS cap in GTA San Andreas so that it capped the game to 25fps instead of 30, not to mention all the things that broke once you turned the cap off.
Thanks broughy. I was going to buy the Itali Custom but you changed my mind
Great explanation Broughy! It's a shame there is no way to increase both mechanical grip and downforce for all cars :/
My beautiful track recreation:)
>inb4 R* makes all cars use downforce. New testing videos for every car all over again :D
Thanks for the detailed explanation! I wonder if the effect of downforce is increased at higher FPS and if somehow the custom version of those cars can be better on PC or if your observations and testing results stay relevant there too.
Nice driving.
10:05
Well, you're a man of your word. You showed YT your Twitch sumbaggery Kappa
not gonnq lie... i didnt hear a thing you said after you got 2nd place in the race i the background. Its intense as hell!!
Haha XD
Yeah! We have a new fuck-finding video!
:D you should make a "spin off" video where the spoiler does affect the Traction like the regular version of each car and see where they would have placed if the downforce functionality wasn't a thing. You can just delete the Full downforce line in the handling file, and when you go to LS and add the spoiler, then you will see that the spoiler traction bar increases. it works with all the "Downforce affected cars" and also the downforce line can be added to non spoiler cars and see how they would handle with downforce values :D. i can say the custom versions feel a lot better to drive with the spoiler effect, specially the comet retro. :P
Woo! I made it into a Broughy video!
DucatiDoctor same lol (rhy5fire)
GG on the racing. I couldn't have asked for a better race in terms of footage for this video to show what I was trying to say.
what car class will you be testing next?
Dmitry Bayer Muscle I'm pretty sure
alright man thanks
i remember this footage...
RcNumbers Mr.Crash-a-lot when was it Kappa
Pro Genitali haha! Classic Rockstar! Thanks again for all your work Broughy
I saw this on DatSaintsFan's channel where some cars spin out when they turn left but not turning right, as if the suspension on the right side acts damaged.
First of all, it's already been fixed. Second of all, why are you commenting this on a video that is over a month old?
Broughy, how do you find so many people in circuit races? I can only find stunt races with full lobbies. maybe a video on how to find races?
bit.ly/BroughysCrew
I was waiting this since Cunning Stunts :D
Shut up
TheBaconBean No :)
it's clearly because the custom versions have to carry all that swag
The Einstein of GTA
You meant it when you said you weren't going to edit out the crash. Even though I know how you operate that's some respect to be had!
Thanks broughy and can you please try and update this for all of us when new vehicles come into the game
Good explanation Mr. Broughy. By the way I had a question. Do you ever race the Premium races? Because I really Like them and play them every 50 minutes.
Not really tbh
This vid reminds me when i was racing my friends with a stock comet and they werent cornering well and i was winning the whole time. And my friend couldnt control the car so he was blaming it the whole time because he was taking the corner too hard and spinning out.
How do you get into those races where there is no stunt track midair and everyone is racing somewhat professionally, and doesn't ram everywhere?
bit.ly/BroughysCrew
Broughy I followed and read the spreadsheet linked under the descriptions. So the vehicles that have a tick(correct) under near where it says tyres can clip ?. Are these the vehicles you need off road tyres fitted onto them. And the ones with no tick beside tyres can clip ? Are all just ordinary tyres ?
That's correct
You don't NEED offroad tyres on those vehicles.That's just if you want maximum bump absorption. Tuners are very nearly as good in that regard and don't look awful
I wish downforce was on all the cars in GTA, cuz I hate the look of most spoilers, with just a few exceptions.
Perfect advice for racing with the NoDo crew.
I get the realism aspect, but it's stupid that we have to choose between performance and more customization options, sure, give the cars like the re7b ,tyrus,etc downforce but either let spoilers benefit the customs, and have barely any downforce, or let them benefit from spoilers and have no downforce
a good way to test the downforce should be to create a track that is just a looooooooong corner (circle) that is taken at high speed. say that you create 2-3 different tracks with varying sizes. to really see where each car benefits the most. Also the top speed tests would also be more precise with a stuntprops track (flat and long). btw will you test the glitched topspeeds of for example the rapid gt, or the comets. etc. etc.
I feel like you could have referenced the fact that you're using the italy GTB, and the person you take 1st place of, is using a custom version of the same car. I don't think you noticed that in this video, but you did mention it in the stream that you got this clip from. I feel like that bit of information adds to the background video.
tho I may have not heard, if you did mention this fact, but I'm pretty sure that you didn't mention it in the video.
Other than that, great video, keep up the good work ^_^
I thought it was obvious given the content and leaderboard at the end but yeah I could've mentioned it I guess. Cheers :)
for people that are casually watching the videos, maybe with something else on another screen (which is usually how I watch youtube) it doesn't stand out that much. I only knew because I watched the stream this part came from ^_^
love your content, keep it up! ^_^
I was wondering, does adding a spoiler to a down force car increase the down force stat? I'm not talking about the in-game traction stat. Like say you have two Itali GTB C.s, one has the spoiler and one does not. Will the one with the spoiler handle high speed turns even better than the one without a spoiler? (stat wise, the Itali GTB C. has a down force of 1.5, will the spoiler give more to that stat to say 1.75 or even higher.)
No. Spoiler do nothing at all on downforce cars.
Respect for not taking advantage of the bump into 1st place.
So do I have to get the absolute biggest spoiler for the best traction? For instance, with the Armored Kuruma, do I have to get that giant black spoiler or can I get one of the more reasonable looking spoilers and get the same performance? The traction bar looks the same when I cycle between all the different spoilers, but those bars are known to be inaccurate.
All spoilers are the same
Thanks. I actually got the answer shortly after posting the question because I saw one of your other videos. Appreciate it.