Look out! It's Hereditary! The movie that's being lauded as the scariest since The Exorcist. Until the next movie that gets lauded for being the scariest movie since The Exorcist.
Reminds me of when someone finally explained depression in an accurate way. "Depression isnt sadness. Sadness is sadness, I'd kill for sadness. Depression is emptiness, I can't make myself care enough to feel sad, or happy, or horny, or disappointed. I feel nothing." Why watch a movie that makes you feel actually afraid, sad, or some other "bad" emotion? Because feeling things is kind of satisfying for us. If a movie can still make you feel anything (other than meta stuff like feeling ripped off) fucking cherish that while you can.
@@KejnTheImmortal sorry, forgot where I was. Yes, everyone has depression and depression is whatever you want it to be. You are all special. Fuck, forget I said anything.
That pretty much sums up anyone coming off of antidepressants medication. My uncle Phil was one amazing guy, always looked over us, a good role model, and a huge video gamer. I was utterly devastated when he passed away. I coped by watching a lot of movies and television shows, and avoiding old school games like Final Fantasy and The Legend of Zelda. That was sadness. The day my doctor took me off of antidepressants medication. Fucking nothing, absolutely nothing could fill the void. Everything was shit. My favorite shows like Game of Thrones was shit, my favorite games was shit. Nothing felt right. I couldn't find anything appealing or enjoyable. -- The messed up part... I was only on it for 30 days. I would rather be sad then to ever be in that place ever again.
I don't want to get into any kind of argument or anything like that with anyone on this thread. But I'd just like to say that the reason why this hit so close to home for me and why I felt the need to write this original comment is precisely because I've been struggling with crippling depression for more than 3 years and a half now.
I want to go to film school, move to hollywood, work extremely hard and make the highest quality films i can for decades, until one day i can finally realize mikes dream of having a dark disturbing psychological horror that in the last 15 minutes has an abrupt tonal shift where the football team shows up to kick the ass of the primary antagonist/supernatural force whilst AC/DC plays ending with an 80's style freeze frame on the lead jock after he says "I'm goin ta colleeeeeeeege!"
How about a movie where they find Solomon's Ring and just tell the demon to go away and the rest of the movie is awkward silence. Then it cuts to AC/DC.
The Witch would've been improved if the Quaker college football team turned up in the last minute to kick the shit out of Black Philip as well. Just saying.
That car scene and the aftermath was the most gut-wrenching and devastating experience I think I've ever had in a cinema. When you hear the mom open the car door and scream. Oh god.
Oooohhhh, I'm guess you're pretty young, yeah? Since A) Adults don't tend to talk about adults w/ kids like they were a different species and B) You censored your swears even though there's nothing preventing you from writing 'fucking pussies'. That aside, considering the lead actress was clearly middle-aged I don't know why your positive this movie couldn't have been geared toward adults vs. teens; not to mention the scenes with teens were the most cringey parts of the movie for me personally.
@Aria you just gonna ignore the full on grief meltdown that was so real that it shook nearly everyone to their fucking core? You're gonna watch that scene and tell me that wasnt good acting and anyone could do that?
I think Mike went into this movie thinking that it was gonna be one of those "the real demon was grief y'all" type deals, so he wasn't primed for all the cult stuff, which I personally loved
I don't know what you're talking about. Because the real core of the movie is actually trauma and mental illness, passed through and perpetuated by the family. Also how you're helpless in a way to stop gradually turning into your parents or absorbing their trauma and so on. It's made quite clear through the movie, no? I thought the movie was very similar to babadook, thematically I mean. Not much in other aspects
I felt like the miniatures were connected to the greek tragedy foreshadowing, in that the characters were destined to die, and that they were railing against fate fruitlessly. So essentially, they are just miniatures, being manipulated by forces they'll never understand.
yeah the miniatures clearly signified agency and control over the events. It ties into the mental illness interpretation really well -- and in the end I think we're supposed to empathize with the son, trying to figure out whether we are the perpetrators or the victims of our tragedies... ... when my dad was fifteen he went driving with some friends. He slid out in the rain and took the head off this fourteen year old girl he barely knew. That girl had three siblings, and her mother outlived all of them... what is grief -- or hell, what is life -- other than railing against fate? And you get the impression that it doesn't matter whether there was ever a demon or not, it doesn't change anything. You're still to blame for what you did.
I had gotten the idea in my head the fate of the family would be shown as miniatures in the end, that the mom was crazy and killed them all and made a diorama of the scene.
Also, during most of the film, it seems like Charlie's death was the result of her brother and mother's choices, but at the end it is suggested that it was due to forces outside of their control - which brings us back to the teacher's question: which is more tragic?
The whole thing with the miniatures I felt was to parallel how their whole lives are being controlled by the dead mother and her cultist friends, they're all pawns in a game they can't see or comprehend or escape. The movie definitely had a very Greek tragedy feel to it, which I know some people told me they hated, that nothing anyone could have done would have mattered since all the events are set in motion way before the movie even starts, before the main characters are even born. I loved that about it though, makes it way darker on retrospect and connects to the theme of hereditary mental illness being something you can't ever escape.
There’s also the classroom discussion at the beginning of the movie where the teacher asks the students “is it more tragic if characters have a choice or don’t?” It all connects
Dan Harrison King Not all of them are terrible. A few movies actually know how to use them well. For example, The Thing has two jump scares (three if you count the blood test - I don't) but they're actually phenomenally executed and the entire film's cinematography (character entrances from the left from the first shot of the film) and motion of action (likewise, it is mostly left to right throughout the whole film) are subverted in those moments so it isn't like they're sloppily tossed in, not to mention that they aren't edited like most jump scares, which usually involves a quick cut away after the scare happens. The scares are not some spooky noise off screen nor is it just a harmless distraction. I could make a ten or fifteen minute video about just those two jump scares. Jump scares aren't inherently bad, it's just that almost nobody puts any actual craftsmanship into them. Some directors think of how a jump scares may work in the context of a single scene but, like any other scary moment, it has to constructed within the context of the entire film to be any good.
Hoovy Tube That describes both of the jump scares in The Thing, actually. Ithink editing, particularly swift cuts, plays a big part in what makes most jump scares bad.
Dan Harrison King mullholland drive, the thing and other films have meanful/ not cheap jumpscares. Its just when directors cant be fucked trying to genuinelly scare the audience.
About the part with the telephone pole with the sign and it's a convoluted plan, while Peter is in class (I think it's during the 'generic buttshot' scene) the teacher is talking about Greek Tragedies and this exchange occurs: Teacher: So if we go by the rule that the hero is undone by his fatal flaw, what is Heracles’ flaw? Bridget: Arrogance. Teacher: Okay, why? Bridget: Because he literally refuses to look at all the signs that are being literally handed to him the entire play. Teacher: Okay, interesting! So he thinks he has control. But let's all remember: Sophocles wrote the oracle so that it was unconditional. Meaning Heracles never had any choice. Right? So, does this make it more tragic or less tragic than if he did have a choice? Student: Less! Teacher: Okay, why? Student: Because! Teacher: Care to weigh in, Peter? Peter: Um … about which part? Student: I think it's more tragic because if it’s all just inevitable, then that means that the characters had no hope, they never had hope, because they’re just like pawns in this horrible, hopeless machine. One of the powers being attributed to Paimon is 'Knowledge of past and future events' so it could still be possible for him to orchestrate it. And it could also refer to the 'Oracle' in the exchange about Heracles' flaw The Heracles flaw may also call back to Toni Collette's Brother, he didn't have that flaw and knew he couldnt shake free of it like in an horror movie so he killed himself because he saw the signs in time and was able to kill himself before being prisoner of the 'oracle' Ari Aster also seems to like foreshadowing a lot, so it may also just be an excuse for him to use it as much as possible :P
To continue that theme, in Greek mythology, the Fates are literal gods who weave inescapable prophecies. You see the self-fulfilling prophecy from Greek mythology play out in Hereditary because there's nothing the characters can do that ultimately changes the predetermined outcome.
I've seen some seriously crazy shit in horror movies, but that decapitation scene and the discovery of the body was done so well that it really messed me up.
As a person who *actually* lived through something extremely similar.... I can tell that no one like me, or anyone who has *ANY* actual experience with such a thing had anything to do with those parts. I'm glad you enjoyed the "Hollywood" bullshit version though, and hope you never have to know the difference.
@@lurker9634 That's correct, but if you *really* want an answer, ask a real question. Not sure how much humor/satire you intended or didn't, but I'll be honest as it's been quite sometime now from the event and it really won't bother me if you want actual details, so long as you're not obviously just trying to piss me off or make a joke of such a serious thing.
I haven't seen this movie, but that ending where the football team shows up and lays waste to the cultists set to AC/DC genuinely sounds amazing to me. I am part of the problem.
Me and my brother popped edibles before looking for a popcorn horror movie and ended up watching Hereditary, genuinely the most horrifying 2 hours of my life lol.
"I literally laughed at every 'scary' scene. All I wanted to do the entire film was go home to play with my new puppy." I am VERY worried about your new puppy.
Daniel Winters Dude me too!!! That exact scene just ruined the scary and terrified mood we were in bro. The tension immediately dissolved and everyone was cracking up!!
The fact I went to see this in theatres with my ex girlfriend and it is now irrevocably tied to that part of my life just amplifies the sense of dread I get watching this
God, yeah, I first watched this in bed with an ex that I had very strong feelings for. It kind of makes my stomach sink at the idea of watching it again, as good a movie as it was.
@@JobForAMaxboy But its way funnier if she was serious? if its a joke its 100% on them to add a /s, a lol, an emoji, something. Its not on us to assume anything dumb said is said in jest, or at least that there are no people who make funny mistakes.
I do not like horror movies but the second charlie died I was IN. Hearing the screams in the morning is literally the most powerful thing ive ever seen in cinema
I haven't seen it yet, so I'm curious how he wasn't in massive trouble for leaving his dead sister in the car ... & on the road - after driving "under the influence"? How do u even _try_ to justify it?
Fun fact, originally in the ending the son gouged out his eyes but in the test screenings (which did indeed happen) the test audience thought it was too graphic
I felt really bad for the father. He was the most normal guy just trying to keep his family together. He was usually nice and caring to everyone and rarely broke down. He didn't deserve what happened to him.
In some interview it has been stared that he is Toni Collete's character's former psychiatrist. Getting romantically involved with a patient is not cool.
He reminded me so much of my own dad, the way he lost his appetite after Ann’s fight against Peter and just stared helplessly at both of them broke my heart
The quick scene of him opening his medication bottle and popping a pill was so absurdly simple and understated yet stuck with me. Look at all that came of his family's "coping mechanisms", while dad just snagged some appropriate meds and kept on keeping on. Imagine off mom and son had done the same, maybe seen a therapist or something while they were at it. Probably reading farrr more into this than intended but I've known enough people who were falling apart mentally yet eschewed the most direct (and probably effective) treatments in favor of unhealthy and ineffectual ones to get something from it.
Two scenes that I found very scary: 1) When the mother goes into grandmother's studio and in the dark sees someone that looks like grandmother. For the rest of the movie I though there was something in the corner of the cinema. 2) Just after the father is burned it cuts to a shot of the house at night. Hardly noticeable but around the house, in the dark, there are naked people standing. I noticed it and was so scared for the next scene.
towersofgiza so you read the first point and didn't realise i was discussing some movie moments that might have spoilers in them? the video also contains spoilers... this one is all on you, champ
Maria M Yes! I loved that second scene. All through the movie we'd been getting the same establishing shot of the house, so that subtle change wasn't noticed by many people. When I noticed I was SPOOKED.
I’m with jay on this one, I found the movie to be absolutely great. I’m also slightly with mike- I hated watching this with teens sitting on the same row as me and making all kinds of stupid noise throughout the whole film.
I had the opposite - octogenarians asking each other what was happening/why did that happen/who is that happening to at about 120 dBs at 5 minute intervals
I had a group of teens in my screening and one of them started cracking up near the end after some intense moment and that set them all off laughing..They didn't stop giggling the whole last 10 of the movie. I put it down to trying to relieve some of the tension though...Like when something is so intense you have to just laugh? I didn't get too mad at them for that but it ruined the end of the movie a bit
The hook is the slow realisation that this family was cursed and that there was absolutely nothing they could do to stop it. They were fated to fulfill the wishes of Paimon. There was no hope. Once you realise that it sets the film up for a second viewing, just to see the level of powerlessness that was present. My initial reaction to the ending was one of frustration at the fact that I thought in some way someone, like Peter, would escape it. This then turned to admiration for not following that trope, and the true horror in knowing that there was no hope whatsoever for this family. Brilliant film.
I’m with Jay on this. It’s a super great movie that has a lot for everyone. The movie’s seeds were planted from the first scene. This movie didn’t swerve the direction out of nowhere. I really really dug it, and once you stew on the movie and see everything the Director was doing from the beginning, you realize it’s all premeditated.
I don't think the ending and tonal shift were alluded to enough. Theres no real indication that logic could be thrown out the window at the end. It was surprising but too jarring imo. I actually don't mind the ending but i wish there was more of a build up to it throughout the movie.
How was there not? Trace the entire plot: Opening shot of the treehouse, established satanic chapel, pan to Peter's room establishing him as the future vessel for Paimon, establish cultists at funeral, show Paimon symbol on post, decapitate Charlie so Paimon can exit, con the mother into performing a seance to have the demon enter the home, kill off each family member one by one, and then take the human form of Peter at the end. It's all there from frame 1.
I liked it quite a bit (surprised me since I watched the review first), but Mike was dead on about the cinematography. What was with that mess? It was so distracting. Almost every shot with two people talking was back-lit. I watched it on a 20 foot screen and could barely make out their faces. One scene in particular scene at the end, Solo, Beckett, and Qi'Ra were facing three different directions on a sunny day and all three were back lit. I mean, really? Really? I liked pretty much everything else though, except atrocity that was Han's last name reveal of course. That was just stupid.
God, I love this movie. The best horror movies have a strong emotional core, good performances and characters you care about (or can at least relate to), and Hereditary has all that in spades.
Exactly 👍 films like these are the antidote to having nothing but jump scare, 'inspired by real events', worn out franchises or heaps of 'ghost' movies - I'm guessing that a lot of RLM fans appreciate the Hereditarys that stand out for being a real, intelligent films in a sea of jackass-caliber boredom-inducing flotsam 😎
I love this movie but it suffers the same problem as bone tomahawk. It has that moment or element that is so unpleasant, I don’t want to revisit it. The Witch also with the mortar and pestle though that is “easier” to shut out. I get it. Horror. But I want to want to rewatch. Still an amazing movie just one I won’t watch much.
The miniature thing points to the fact that the family has been watched from the outside by this cult for years and years. These horrific traumas (suicide etc) being orchestrated by granny herself and her friends following the progress. This is underlined further by scenes of the family members literally being watched by strangers (at the funeral, at school, outside the house, inside the house). I would love for Mike and Jay to do a re-view of this one in the future. It is close to a masterpiece in my opinion, and one of the few horror movies that actually terrified me as an adult.
My favourite scene is when the mother floats up to the tree house. Complete silence. Really good moment to just soak in the visuals. Loved the movie, could barely watch though since I'm a big baby when it comes to horror movies
@@shodancat1000 ugh yes, that scene was like the visual representation of a fever dream. I also really love the scene when the son is laying in the bed covered in ants. I love how unforgivingly uncomfortable the movie was
It was creepy in a bad dream sort of way. Like not really understanding what you're seeing, but it happens so quickly and fluidly that it's unsettling.
@@jamiegibson5506 sure, if you look at it from a "haha funny" perspective because you'd prefer over the top orchestral music stings and Baguul busting through the wall screeching like a velociraptor. Real life happens in flat comedy shots and angles, without cinematic embellishments. The detached and emotionless execution of having something completely nightmarish happen (your headless mother floating across the yard), portrayed in an uncaring way without any fucking horror movie trope bells or whistles added is what makes these scenes. It's like witnessing anything utterly traumatic in reality, birds keep chirping and you still feel that pebble in your shoe. Your neighbor on the other side of the building keeps mowing their lawn. The world doesn't adapt and re-write itself around personal tragedy. That is where the flat, undramatic "omg lol funnee" shots come in, it taps into the possible personal experiences of the viewer. But hey if you prefer stretchy face screaming CGI ghost ladies that's cool
I love this movie but scene of corpses flying to tree house was not so scary to me, actually i saw that and thought to myself: "Really? That's scary?" but it's small issue. I found scene with Annie decapitating herself and the way she stares at Peter... Bone-Chilling
The one scene that had me holding my breath was when he was laying in bed, and he hears his mother screaming outside. I had the most heavily feeling in my chest during this moment. I ended up pausing the movie to go outside and take a walk. For whatever reason, that’s the one scene that stuck with me the most.
the way it works is that it (paymen) can only travel into someone at extreme weakness, and can only leave its current host through decapitation. watching this again knowing this makes it scarier as when someone is decapitated it shows paymen coming for whoever’s next
That scene with asking her husband to burn the book: She isn't being "crazy": at that point she has figured it out. The problem is that because of the family dynamic, her husband wasn't involved with the process of learning, so to HIM she is acting "crazy". And that is the horror: Everything she is saying in that scene is correct, but, he doesn't believe her.
I took her husband catching on fire as if she was having a delusion and set him on fire where in her mind she was arguing and making a point, but in reality she was soaking him in something flammable and lighting him on fire.
23:05 not sure if someone has already pointed this out in the comments but the miniature house does provide context to the movie that the actual house and the people in it are monitored by the cult and a lot of events that happened are pre meditated by the cult and aided by the demon. It's like Toni is working on the miniature not knowing that she herself is part of a bigger set being played by the cult.
Thls movie had some bone chilling scenes. It genuinely reminded me of seeing The Shining for the first time. It combined the sort of disgusting, graphic stuff with psychological terror really well. I don't wanna think about the ending which is a good sign. Everything from the kid being sent home from school to the end was disturbing and feels so vivid in my memory.
I don't think Charlie was as innocent as we think. I interpreted it as Paimon was already possessing Charlie but because she was a female he was unhappy and needed a male host. So when Peter was frantically driving her to the hospital, Paimon was already aware of the pole being on the road they were driving on and stuck Charlie's head out the window to be decapitated as part of the ritual to ultimately possess Peter. What do yall think?
Well, you said it yourself, that's Paimon acting through Charlie. The only who time I knew we heard the real Charlie is during the seance when she talks through her mother. She sounds like a completely normal girl then, very different from when she was alive.
Someone should tell Mike that the kid on the left with the man bun he was smoking with under the bleachers is naked in the end in the tree house ritual.
Every decent horror movie nowdays are lauded "best horror movie ever made", and all of them tend to polarize audiences. The Babadook, It Follows, The Witch, Get Out - I like all of them, but they're the kind of movies everyone either love or hate.
They tend to feel very flavor of the year and dont tend to have the staying power classics like The Exorcist did. Also worth pointing out a lot of classic horrors like The Shining, The thing, and I believe even the Exorcist werent that popular at release. I could be wrong about the exorcist on that.
Yes. Older horror movies have much more staying power. These newer films are good for a quick energetic fling but then you move on cuz they start going on about their petty drama and it’s like ugh.
I think heriditary has staying power to be honest. It was the first horror film in ages to actually get to me and freak me and cause me unease. The way it's shot along with the fact it can be interpreted a few different way with alot of subtlety can make it last beyond just this year and more of in the ranks of some of the best horror films
Only time will tell if the success-stories from the last 4-5 years will stay, but I wouldn't be surprised. Just think about how we nowdays speak so favorably of pretty much every horror movie from the eightes, even when some of them are cheesy rubbish. I believe The Exorcist divided critics, but it was a massive financial hit, partially thanks to the media circus that appeared in its wake. And I know The Thing was butchered at release. Some of the reviews I've read are plain sad.
Get Out and It Follows were extremely overhyped. I'm still kinda pissed Get Out was nominated for Best Picture. There's been so many more deserving horror films that were never nominated. I'm betting the Academy will gloss over this even though Toni Collette is more than deserving of a Best Actress nomination and Ari Aster should at least get a Best Original Screenplay nod if Jordan Peele was able to win it.
The whole point of the film was that the family (unbeknownst to themselves) were just the next generation of a long-standing demon bloodline and were always under the influence of the cult. The cults mission was to bring a Demon into this world. This Demon, called Paimon, prefers a healthy male body that he can possess. The original plan was for Peter to become Paimon. When he was young, the plan failed as the family fell out with the grandmother and moved away. Eventually they reconnect and the daughter is used instead. The grandmother “stabs her hooks in”, “feeds her”, essentially feeding the demon within her and making it stronger than the host. For Paimon to successfully possess the body of the next host, previous hosts must be decapitated. Thus, creating the sole ruler King Paimon. So as the cult manipulate the world around the family, in the end, the cult succeed, and the family always had about as much control of their own lives, as the miniatures had over theirs. They were destined to be the sacrificial lambs from the very beginning. No hope. This is easily one the greatest horror movies ever. Watch it again and again and you will see things you definitely missed the first time. It has feels of old 70s horror films but the outstanding direction from Ari Aster and superb acting catapult this horror masterpiece into the fucking stratosphere!!!!!!
I'm with Jay on this one. The unpredictable nature of the plot kept me going. Towards the end when Toni Collette basically figures out what's going on, it lost some of its momentum. Still a great movie though.
Finally got around to watching this and this has to be the scariest movie I can remember ever seeing. And I'm 47 and can't remember ever being scared of a movie. Creeped out occasionally, but rarely affected. Granted, I've been sick for a few days, but damn, this one got to me.
Just saw this movie, still under the emotional effect of it... I'm blown away. I really don't get where Mike is coming from on this one. This movie deserve some real credit. By the time the creepy imagery sets in, you are so distraught that you are just ripe for the taking. I watched it with my little brother who's used to fast paced movies and explosions everywhere. It was a joy to see him really get into it and be taken by it's emotional resonance.
Oblivious Reviews I’d agree with that. It started sometime within the last five years and really kicked off with movies like It Follows and The Babadook
Horror movies tend to have a boon period during times of economic certainty and under conservative stewardship of the government. This are by no means definitive measures but this phenomenon has been documented and written about at length. Economic displacement is obviously worrisome for folks and I doubt that needs an explanation but conservative politicians are more likely to stoke the flames of social anxiety about by antagonizing for brownie points which causes unrest. To give a recent example of that look to around 2015 when transgender issues started hitting the mainstream. You'd think that transgender folks just popped out of the aether and started walking into public toilets in the nude. Now during the Obama presidency there were a lot of gains for the transgender community that didn't warrant any mainstream attention until then. Why? Obergefel v. Hodges was decided. Couldn't effectively use that as a social issue to draw out the vote because, well, a Supreme Court ruling is pretty final. Hence comes a whole new set of made up social anxieties to rile people up. Even though we never needed laws before and we all knew that transgender people existed for the better part of a century suddenly there's a whole new set of concerns regarding transgender people like using the restroom or getting birth certificates changed. Again, this was all a addressed by Obama earlier in his tenure and nobody gave a shit. Creating a bad guy like that for somebody to beat up is a lot more effective for getting people to vote than pointing to vague numbers that say our economy is bad. This cultural anxiety creates a new source of worry that can be used in film from the perspective of the majority as well as that of the targeted minority.
Spoilers The reason Peter is chosen because Paimon needed a strong male host. He was being bred through Charlie until Peter could properly be the vessel. The hereditary aspect is the family being cursed. I mean the first shot is in looking in Peters room. Peter is Paimons puppet. Joan’s two sons “drowned” because they weren’t strong enough for Paimon.
Loved the camera work in this movie. More than anything, the camera work and framing really set the tone of this and draws you into it. The acting is also top-notch, and it's just so different that it stands out as a real gem in the genre.
As far a miniatures go I definitely saw it as her way to cope (she did that one of her daughters head on the road) but also since there was so much imagery tying them to a miniature (the opening obviously and stuff like the framing of those big room shots that stayed still) I also felt like it represented this question of whether they were even responsible for their fate, just seemed like a lot was happening to them and felt like a outside force paving the way for the family.
it also was used as a story telling tool instead of flashbacks, I kinda felt they were more for the filmmaking than the plot and thought they were a little too external but I'm starting to come around a bit
I’m actually glad it fooled General audiences including myself because it surprised me of where it was going next. Like Mike, I though it would be Charlie haunting the family throughout the movie, but it ended up being wildly different
@@SteeZy644 Erm, actually I had the opposite reaction. They foreshadowed way too hard that the grandmother was in a cult that wanted Charlie to have been born a male instead of a female. I actually spent most of the movie thinking "I really hope that the film doesn't end how I think it will, with the boy being possessed by Charlie's ghost because of a satanic ritual." Then, it happened, and I was severely disappointed.
I love how poignantly the horror is projected from actors' reactions in this film: their countenances, their movements, their eyes. We experience their horror.
This film actually did have test screenings. Someone who went to one said that the original ending (SPOILERS) had the guy stab out his own eyes at the end, but like 23/25 of the test screeners didn't like that ending, so they changed it.
Stabbing out his eyes would parallel the play they were talking about in the class at the beginning, which also parallels the helpless tragedy of the movie. That would’ve been awesome
25:15 the cult was everywhere present. they also "drugged" annie (the tea at joans house) and peter (by a friend of his, the dude with the dark long hair pony tail, with the pot they smoked, which was sure mixed with these herbs) and charlie (as a baby, by the grandmother as seen on one photo where you see something dark on the ground of the bottle) with whats called "dittany of crete" as seen in joans drawer, which is to make a body more prone to demonic possession. also the creepy smirking guy at the funeral is seen naked in the doorframe by the end with the same grin, the woman waving to charlie from across the street was also naked in the house in the attic with the professor of peter for example.
when I go see a movie (particularly horror), I let myself become completely emotionally vulnerable to the plot. I want to give it every opportunity to scare me senseless. this movie did it perfectly. nothing felt like a stupid decision just to further the plot. a lot of people say it drags in the middle, but I dont think that's a fair statement. this movie turns grief into a different type of horror to face, and then returns to terror. hereditary really got under my skin and hit raw nerves I have from my own family. if you classify a good horror film as having jump scares (like that bullshit Sinister movie) then you aren't appreciating what horror is. its not about being startled for a brief minute, it's about an attack on your psyche.
Krista Caswell absolutely. Fuck, the screams when she saw Charlie in the car... I literally fucking vomited. The grief in there was so fucking raw. So. Fucking. Raw. Reminded me of when I had to give a baby CPR.
The only thing I thought that the family did that was a "stupid decision" was that they always forget Charlie's epi pen. But then again, part of the movie is about how the family has no real choice over their own fate, which is likely why they always forget to bring it.
The toys are in the break room in back, to play with, as they wait for customers, whom have a hard time getting to the front counter from all the junk that has been tossed off or over it. The customers then ask, "Hey can you like upgrade this VCR to play 4k disc?" or is it "Hey can you upgrade my VCR to play the tapes in 4k?" ;)
Actually I took it as the cult succeeded in putting the demon into the daughter, but she didn't suffice, because the demon wanted a male body. So the sister was just temporary & the brother's the permanent possession. And Jay's right about those shitty reviews..lmao, this movie was dreadful, creepy & definitely scary.
Yeah, he meekly tries to keep the family together even as every other member appears to be insane, and even when there's clearly all sorts of satanic stuff going on he just ends up seeming 'tired of all this shit'. It's a limited but important role as the kind of centre of the family, the one normal member. I thought Byrne was great.
*Spoilers* Yeah, he also plays the role of the "normal" person and skeptic. He's not directly affected by the hereditary curse (until the very end). Thus he doesn't see the supernatural plot against them even after it should be obvious even to him that something is very, very wrong (e.g. after the Charlie seance scene; his son breaking his face on his desk shortly after his mother-in-law and daughter died in quick succession; the corpse in the attic). He's useless/clueless and it enhances the sense of isolation felt by the rest of the family; Annie in particular is unable to make herself understood.
I read online that he is a therapist by profession. They cut that explaining that detail from the final movie, but it explains how he is trying to bring stability to all remaining people in the family even though everyone is going insane. He struggles with going along with the ritualistic ways to solve grief (doing seance and stuff) in order for Annie to get some closure and trying to salvage the relationship between Peter and her mother out of concern for Peter. In the end Paimon lights him on fire because in trying to stabilize the mental condition of Peter and Annie he makes them both less susceptible to possession by Paimon. I really dig how destroying the mental stability of Peter is explained as good plot device because it makes him more susceptible to possession by Paimon, the ultimate goal of the cult.
To go off the father being the straight man in this, you also need to look at it as just a movie about a stressed family dynamic: he is the silent, authority figure that everyone relies on but he has no one to rely on, himself. His role as father and husband is to be someone for Annie to push away and someone to mediate between Annie and Peter. He is also grieving for his dead daughter, his son who is having all these issues, and his wife literally going insane. He's losing everyone around him and they're all looking to him for support but he gets nothing from them back.
I think saying "Scariest movie since The Exorcist" is just such a loaded statement, I have no idea why marketing people set movies up for failure like that. Nothing will ever be like The Exorcist, because The Exorcist came out in a completely different time, in a completely different climate, and back then it was genuinely shocking. I actually think Hereditary hit a lot of the same notes as The Exorcist for me, and in my mind that statement isn't even that inaccurate, but the problem is that we live in a post-Exorcist world where filmmakers have had almost half a century to work with the framework that The Exorcist laid down. Audiences today are incredibly desensitized as we grow more accustomed to this kind of cinema. I remember the first time I saw The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and when it was over I kinda went "That was it? Looking back on it now, I do think it's an unsettling movie, but I was expecting something so much more gruesome just from the hype, hype which was at that point like 40 years old. A comparison between a movie from 1973 and a movie from 2018 is just completely redundant. Either way I think Hereditary is one of the best horror movies in recent memory, and I think it opens up a lot on a second viewing too. There is an incredible amount of detail and foreshadowing which puts everything in a completely different context. If you didn't like it the first time a second viewing might be a tall order and I get that, but if you did like it I recommend seeing it again!
@@lukasz2284 Ehh I think he has a point to be honest, look at The Blair Witch project, that was a movie that could only do what it did one time, no other movie now can take it. Exorcist and Blair Witch were products of their time in the best way possible, in that they *weren't*
"Wanna feel miserable for the next 2 hours?"
"As opposed to what?"
Oh man, that really hit close to home.
Reminds me of when someone finally explained depression in an accurate way.
"Depression isnt sadness. Sadness is sadness, I'd kill for sadness. Depression is emptiness, I can't make myself care enough to feel sad, or happy, or horny, or disappointed. I feel nothing."
Why watch a movie that makes you feel actually afraid, sad, or some other "bad" emotion? Because feeling things is kind of satisfying for us. If a movie can still make you feel anything (other than meta stuff like feeling ripped off) fucking cherish that while you can.
@@KejnTheImmortal sorry, forgot where I was. Yes, everyone has depression and depression is whatever you want it to be. You are all special. Fuck, forget I said anything.
That pretty much sums up anyone coming off of antidepressants medication. My uncle Phil was one amazing guy, always looked over us, a good role model, and a huge video gamer. I was utterly devastated when he passed away. I coped by watching a lot of movies and television shows, and avoiding old school games like Final Fantasy and The Legend of Zelda. That was sadness. The day my doctor took me off of antidepressants medication. Fucking nothing, absolutely nothing could fill the void. Everything was shit. My favorite shows like Game of Thrones was shit, my favorite games was shit. Nothing felt right. I couldn't find anything appealing or enjoyable. -- The messed up part... I was only on it for 30 days. I would rather be sad then to ever be in that place ever again.
I don't want to get into any kind of argument or anything like that with anyone on this thread. But I'd just like to say that the reason why this hit so close to home for me and why I felt the need to write this original comment is precisely because I've been struggling with crippling depression for more than 3 years and a half now.
@@DriscolDevil It's not a fucking club smartass. Knock it off with your little tantrum, it's not impressive in the slightest.
Prediction: Mike makes fun of the movie for 33 minutes and Jay talks about The Witch
Well done
Wouldn't say he made fun of it that much...but love his spot on jokes about the GA.
I want to go to film school, move to hollywood, work extremely hard and make the highest quality films i can for decades, until one day i can finally realize mikes dream of having a dark disturbing psychological horror that in the last 15 minutes has an abrupt tonal shift where the football team shows up to kick the ass of the primary antagonist/supernatural force whilst AC/DC plays ending with an 80's style freeze frame on the lead jock after he says "I'm goin ta colleeeeeeeege!"
With that name, you are destined to become a horror movie director
I would watch it, at least once.
ill help for real already at film school
How about a movie where they find Solomon's Ring and just tell the demon to go away and the rest of the movie is awkward silence. Then it cuts to AC/DC.
Please do that. You'd be creating comedy gold, and would be one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
The Witch would've been improved if the Quaker college football team turned up in the last minute to kick the shit out of Black Philip as well. Just saying.
No way, you cheer for the evil at that point.
Black Phil goes to college at the end
@@Al-cy9qn and becomes a football star baaaahhhhhh
@@MegaBspark He's the teams mascot
@@chickenbath the satan worshippers
Good Horror Movie: *Comes out*
Jay: T H E VV I T C H ?
Well they are both A24
Darrell Covello that works too vvell
nukejello sane director too
Matthew Hall incorrect. Robert Eggers is The Witch. His next movie is The Lighthouse. Ari Aster did Hereditary.
Matt Morales you are correct. The weird I think I just figured Ari Aster directed The Witch too because they’re so similar, especially the odd endings
That car scene and the aftermath was the most gut-wrenching and devastating experience I think I've ever had in a cinema. When you hear the mom open the car door and scream. Oh god.
Can't tell if you're trolling; you know parents watch films too, yeah?
Oooohhhh, I'm guess you're pretty young, yeah? Since A) Adults don't tend to talk about adults w/ kids like they were a different species and B) You censored your swears even though there's nothing preventing you from writing 'fucking pussies'.
That aside, considering the lead actress was clearly middle-aged I don't know why your positive this movie couldn't have been geared toward adults vs. teens; not to mention the scenes with teens were the most cringey parts of the movie for me personally.
DEADSCHOOLED okay dead schooled
DEADSCHOOLED lol i bet you think youre cool as hell
DEADSCHOOLED You remind me of me when I was 10
I think the most terrifying thing about Hereditary is the fact that Toni Collette didn't win an Oscar for her performance.
Not even a nomination
Aria for giving the best performance of the year
@Aria you just gonna ignore the full on grief meltdown that was so real that it shook nearly everyone to their fucking core? You're gonna watch that scene and tell me that wasnt good acting and anyone could do that?
This movie was terrible bro. Not oscar wortly
Facts
I think Mike went into this movie thinking that it was gonna be one of those "the real demon was grief y'all" type deals, so he wasn't primed for all the cult stuff, which I personally loved
Come off it, The Babadook was a great movie and you know it.
Well put
I don't know what you're talking about. Because the real core of the movie is actually trauma and mental illness, passed through and perpetuated by the family. Also how you're helpless in a way to stop gradually turning into your parents or absorbing their trauma and so on.
It's made quite clear through the movie, no?
I thought the movie was very similar to babadook, thematically I mean. Not much in other aspects
I was expecting that the entire time! And I wouldn't have been upset at it either but I love it even more for what it did
The real demon was grief, guys. But also the real demon was actually a demon and a bunch of naked old people.
"Also starring Rich Evans" Was he just out of frame clinging to the ceiling?
@@davidabest7195 Rich Evans is an energy field created by all living things. He surrounds us and penetrates us. He binds the galaxy together.
@JohnsonLobster You mean like duct tape?
@@tyrroo No, he shares some abilities with Spider-Man.
Release the Rich Evans Cut.
JohnsonLobster
I don’t want to be surrounded and penetrated by Rich Evans.
I felt like the miniatures were connected to the greek tragedy foreshadowing, in that the characters were destined to die, and that they were railing against fate fruitlessly. So essentially, they are just miniatures, being manipulated by forces they'll never understand.
yeah the miniatures clearly signified agency and control over the events. It ties into the mental illness interpretation really well -- and in the end I think we're supposed to empathize with the son, trying to figure out whether we are the perpetrators or the victims of our tragedies...
... when my dad was fifteen he went driving with some friends. He slid out in the rain and took the head off this fourteen year old girl he barely knew. That girl had three siblings, and her mother outlived all of them... what is grief -- or hell, what is life -- other than railing against fate? And you get the impression that it doesn't matter whether there was ever a demon or not, it doesn't change anything. You're still to blame for what you did.
I had gotten the idea in my head the fate of the family would be shown as miniatures in the end, that the mom was crazy and killed them all and made a diorama of the scene.
I knew the talk about Greek tragedies connected to something, but couldn’t put my finger on what. You make a good point.
Also, during most of the film, it seems like Charlie's death was the result of her brother and mother's choices, but at the end it is suggested that it was due to forces outside of their control - which brings us back to the teacher's question: which is more tragic?
Bingo
"A cult sacrifice from the perspective of the sacrificial lamb" - That's the hook. Hope that helps.
Nah bro that's Midsommar
Ehh
@Token Black Midsommar is more about relationships ending than grief.
That feels like most movies about cults. It's kind of the only perspective you get. Hereditary is great but that's an awful hook
@Brupcat I'd say the elevator pitch is "family demons, in several senses"
The whole thing with the miniatures I felt was to parallel how their whole lives are being controlled by the dead mother and her cultist friends, they're all pawns in a game they can't see or comprehend or escape. The movie definitely had a very Greek tragedy feel to it, which I know some people told me they hated, that nothing anyone could have done would have mattered since all the events are set in motion way before the movie even starts, before the main characters are even born. I loved that about it though, makes it way darker on retrospect and connects to the theme of hereditary mental illness being something you can't ever escape.
they all been controlled by Paimon
There’s also the classroom discussion at the beginning of the movie where the teacher asks the students “is it more tragic if characters have a choice or don’t?” It all connects
That’s a given when you hear the play they’re talking about and describing in Peter’s classroom
These men are pawns.
Jump scares in a horror film is like a Comedian making you laugh by tickling you
Dan Harrison King Not all of them are terrible. A few movies actually know how to use them well. For example, The Thing has two jump scares (three if you count the blood test - I don't) but they're actually phenomenally executed and the entire film's cinematography (character entrances from the left from the first shot of the film) and motion of action (likewise, it is mostly left to right throughout the whole film) are subverted in those moments so it isn't like they're sloppily tossed in, not to mention that they aren't edited like most jump scares, which usually involves a quick cut away after the scare happens. The scares are not some spooky noise off screen nor is it just a harmless distraction. I could make a ten or fifteen minute video about just those two jump scares.
Jump scares aren't inherently bad, it's just that almost nobody puts any actual craftsmanship into them. Some directors think of how a jump scares may work in the context of a single scene but, like any other scary moment, it has to constructed within the context of the entire film to be any good.
Hoovy Tube That describes both of the jump scares in The Thing, actually.
Ithink editing, particularly swift cuts, plays a big part in what makes most jump scares bad.
Dan Harrison King
Stealing this
Or any sitcom with laugh track...
Dan Harrison King mullholland drive, the thing and other films have meanful/ not cheap jumpscares. Its just when directors cant be fucked trying to genuinelly scare the audience.
I've had nothing but positive experiences working with Paimon
He was a total riot at my friend's bachelor party.
Says you. ***hole claimed we never told him he had to buy underlay, tried to skip paying for it. And then gave us a bad review.
I watched this movie after Genshin Impact came out and as soon as I realized the demon's name was Paimon I couldn't take it seriously anymore
Why don't we explore the area ahead of us later?
About the part with the telephone pole with the sign and it's a convoluted plan, while Peter is in class (I think it's during the 'generic buttshot' scene) the teacher is talking about Greek Tragedies and this exchange occurs:
Teacher: So if we go by the rule that the hero is undone by his fatal flaw, what is Heracles’ flaw?
Bridget: Arrogance.
Teacher: Okay, why?
Bridget: Because he literally refuses to look at all the signs that are being literally handed to him the entire play.
Teacher: Okay, interesting! So he thinks he has control. But let's all remember: Sophocles wrote the oracle so that it was unconditional. Meaning Heracles never had any choice. Right? So, does this make it more tragic or less tragic than if he did have a choice?
Student: Less!
Teacher: Okay, why?
Student: Because!
Teacher: Care to weigh in, Peter?
Peter: Um … about which part?
Student: I think it's more tragic because if it’s all just inevitable, then that means that the characters had no hope, they never had hope, because they’re just like pawns in this horrible, hopeless machine.
One of the powers being attributed to Paimon is 'Knowledge of past and future events' so it could still be possible for him to orchestrate it. And it could also refer to the 'Oracle' in the exchange about Heracles' flaw
The Heracles flaw may also call back to Toni Collette's Brother, he didn't have that flaw and knew he couldnt shake free of it like in an horror movie so he killed himself because he saw the signs in time and was able to kill himself before being prisoner of the 'oracle'
Ari Aster also seems to like foreshadowing a lot, so it may also just be an excuse for him to use it as much as possible :P
To continue that theme, in Greek mythology, the Fates are literal gods who weave inescapable prophecies. You see the self-fulfilling prophecy from Greek mythology play out in Hereditary because there's nothing the characters can do that ultimately changes the predetermined outcome.
I laughed so hard at Jay calling a support group a “grief meeting”
"It wasn't creepy house, dark shadows, y'know underlit faces and smoke"
You mean it wasn't like Solo: A Star Wars Story?
Fish20 SlothCity I too remember the creepy house in solo a star wars story, weird directing choice but I kinda love it?
"It reminded me of an episode of..."
Here comes the required Star Trek reference for the episode.
"Twilight Zone."
Plot Twist!
Mike broooke neww ground!
Yeah, I assume he was going to bring up Catspaw, where space witches shrink the Enterprise to miniature size.
@@TimThomason Goddamit.
I've seen some seriously crazy shit in horror movies, but that decapitation scene and the discovery of the body was done so well that it really messed me up.
As a person who *actually* lived through something extremely similar.... I can tell that no one like me, or anyone who has *ANY* actual experience with such a thing had anything to do with those parts. I'm glad you enjoyed the "Hollywood" bullshit version though, and hope you never have to know the difference.
@@dementare what
@@dementare As in you didn't react similarly?
@@lurker9634 That's correct, but if you *really* want an answer, ask a real question. Not sure how much humor/satire you intended or didn't, but I'll be honest as it's been quite sometime now from the event and it really won't bother me if you want actual details, so long as you're not obviously just trying to piss me off or make a joke of such a serious thing.
@@dementare If it's ok with you then, what happened? I want the details, please.
There was so much foreshadowing. The brother killed himself because the grandmother was "trying to put people inside him"
Mike singing ACDC is my new favorite thing.
all ac-dc songs are the most overplayed
It sounds like Gollum singing AC/DC
Charlie’s death and the immediate aftermath honestly made me sick to my stomach.
Hahaha Lord Vader... queezy when children get decapitated in a movie.
That football team geriatric smackdown ending would have made this 11/10
Would have been a classic
Bodies flyin'
Always time to make Hereditary 2.
The collective gasps, "no's" and "oh my god's" in the theater when the sister got decapitated was gold lol
I need an isolated clip of Mike singing AC/DC
Why can't Hollywood give Mike millions of dollars to make these types of movies? That was the greatest movie plot I've ever heard!
TJ Hastie you killed the guy from ac/dc
What is the time stamp?
It was amazing. lol
vic n bob club singing at it's best!
How can I ever watch this movie now knowing that, in the end, the heroic Football Team does not triumph?
I haven't seen this movie, but that ending where the football team shows up and lays waste to the cultists set to AC/DC genuinely sounds amazing to me.
I am part of the problem.
25:45 I wish
Me and my brother popped edibles before looking for a popcorn horror movie and ended up watching Hereditary, genuinely the most horrifying 2 hours of my life lol.
i had a similar experience. no edibles, but a large bong may have been involved. point is, i feel for you, haha
I had to smoke during/after hereditary to feel calm again.
lmaooooo i had shrooms before i watched it scariest trip ever
Thank you for going through this. You really mad me laugh and I really needed it, I also just hit my pen a little so that’s why I’m giggly lol
Life lessons, maybe play frisbee on a summers day next time.
For those wanting to hear Mike’s beautiful vocals on repeat: you’re welcome
26:48
I am dying over here haha
Why does he sound like Elmo from Sesame Street?
Never get tired of the breaking glass sound effects
It's the Kerlan Neskar! (sic)
It always make me think of Uninvited (1988).
Never get tired of CGI flies in the attic
Your dp
"I literally laughed at every 'scary' scene. All I wanted to do the entire film was go home to play with my new puppy."
I am VERY worried about your new puppy.
Sound Author my audience laugh including me.
Daniel Winters Dude me too!!! That exact scene just ruined the scary and terrified mood we were in bro. The tension immediately dissolved and everyone was cracking up!!
Daniel Winters That must have been my neighbours dog as I don’t have a pet.
Out of topic; the very moment I was reading your comment he was saying it out loud in background. Small chance it will ever happen again. Cheers.
We lucked out and had a near empty theater with not a single audience sound or phone the entire time.
The fact I went to see this in theatres with my ex girlfriend and it is now irrevocably tied to that part of my life just amplifies the sense of dread I get watching this
Why would you go to the theater with your ex in the first place?
@@MariaIsabellaZNN ohhhhh my god what a freakin face palm lmao
God, yeah, I first watched this in bed with an ex that I had very strong feelings for. It kind of makes my stomach sink at the idea of watching it again, as good a movie as it was.
@@memesarentfunny2248 I think the facepalm is actually directed at yourself for missing the joke.
@@JobForAMaxboy But its way funnier if she was serious? if its a joke its 100% on them to add a /s, a lol, an emoji, something. Its not on us to assume anything dumb said is said in jest, or at least that there are no people who make funny mistakes.
Filmmaker: I have a great idea for a horror film!
A24: Does it involve a cult?
Filmmaker: No, but-
A24: Go away.
@Sinjin Smyth that wouldnt surprise me
not lighthouse pilled. HARK
The AC/DC impression was impeccable. Certainly something I didn't expect from Mike
Correct. Mike Stoklasa should be the next lead singer of AC/DC
Jay: "Hey, Mike, I've got an idea! Do you want to feel miserable for the next two hours?"
Mike: "As opposed to what?"
😂😂😂😂
MegLovesCute that made me laugh too.
Mike is my soulmate
I do not like horror movies but the second charlie died I was IN. Hearing the screams in the morning is literally the most powerful thing ive ever seen in cinema
I agree. I watch so many fucking movies and I still can't handle that scene. I have to cover my ears
And the Mom keeps screaming "I just want to DIE!" and it's so gut-wrenching you know things cannot possibly end well in this movie.
The only thing that ever had more impact to my psyche in a movie is the Laura Palmer 'Meanwhile' scene in Twin Peaks and the screaming that followed.
I haven't seen it yet, so I'm curious how he wasn't in massive trouble for leaving his dead sister in the car ... & on the road - after driving "under the influence"? How do u even _try_ to justify it?
@@lizp5004
rich white family really pressing the "tragedy" angle. actually, happens all the time
i enjoy how respectful they are to each other’s differing opinions of the movie.
I knew Jay was going to cream his pants over this
whatever floats your boat
I wanna like your comment but it’s at a perfect 100 likes so I’m gonna leave it
Its a movie about family....
And that’s what’s so powerful about it
for once the meme fits really well
Sounds like my family, ohh wait ma and pa ptsd issues. Damn
Sundancepreacher a family picture
Fun fact, originally in the ending the son gouged out his eyes but in the test screenings (which did indeed happen) the test audience thought it was too graphic
I felt really bad for the father. He was the most normal guy just trying to keep his family together. He was usually nice and caring to everyone and rarely broke down.
He didn't deserve what happened to him.
In some interview it has been stared that he is Toni Collete's character's former psychiatrist.
Getting romantically involved with a patient is not cool.
Likely former patient when he started dating her.
@@travismcnasty4239 ooohhh really? That kind of explains their dynamic a little more. Why he was always so emotionally unattached to Toni's grief.
He reminded me so much of my own dad, the way he lost his appetite after Ann’s fight against Peter and just stared helplessly at both of them broke my heart
The quick scene of him opening his medication bottle and popping a pill was so absurdly simple and understated yet stuck with me.
Look at all that came of his family's "coping mechanisms", while dad just snagged some appropriate meds and kept on keeping on. Imagine off mom and son had done the same, maybe seen a therapist or something while they were at it.
Probably reading farrr more into this than intended but I've known enough people who were falling apart mentally yet eschewed the most direct (and probably effective) treatments in favor of unhealthy and ineffectual ones to get something from it.
Two scenes that I found very scary:
1) When the mother goes into grandmother's studio and in the dark sees someone that looks like grandmother. For the rest of the movie I though there was something in the corner of the cinema.
2) Just after the father is burned it cuts to a shot of the house at night. Hardly noticeable but around the house, in the dark, there are naked people standing. I noticed it and was so scared for the next scene.
Maria M the scariest part was WHEN YOU FUCKING SPOILED IT
towersofgiza so you read the first point and didn't realise i was discussing some movie moments that might have spoilers in them? the video also contains spoilers... this one is all on you, champ
Maria M I didn’t even notice the naked people around the house before Peter wakes up! Nice details.
Maria M Yes! I loved that second scene. All through the movie we'd been getting the same establishing shot of the house, so that subtle change wasn't noticed by many people. When I noticed I was SPOOKED.
I liked the part when Rich Evans was standing naked in the corner as Peter was looking at his dad at the fireplace. So creepy! 😱
I’m with jay on this one, I found the movie to be absolutely great. I’m also slightly with mike- I hated watching this with teens sitting on the same row as me and making all kinds of stupid noise throughout the whole film.
I had the opposite - octogenarians asking each other what was happening/why did that happen/who is that happening to at about 120 dBs at 5 minute intervals
I had a group of teens in my screening and one of them started cracking up near the end after some intense moment and that set them all off laughing..They didn't stop giggling the whole last 10 of the movie. I put it down to trying to relieve some of the tension though...Like when something is so intense you have to just laugh? I didn't get too mad at them for that but it ruined the end of the movie a bit
The hook is the slow realisation that this family was cursed and that there was absolutely nothing they could do to stop it. They were fated to fulfill the wishes of Paimon. There was no hope. Once you realise that it sets the film up for a second viewing, just to see the level of powerlessness that was present. My initial reaction to the ending was one of frustration at the fact that I thought in some way someone, like Peter, would escape it. This then turned to admiration for not following that trope, and the true horror in knowing that there was no hope whatsoever for this family. Brilliant film.
The hook is it's actually a comedy with some grade A comedic scenes.
“The hook” lol -
Loved the "Smeagal does ACDC" moment at the end there.
I’m with Jay on this. It’s a super great movie that has a lot for everyone. The movie’s seeds were planted from the first scene. This movie didn’t swerve the direction out of nowhere. I really really dug it, and once you stew on the movie and see everything the Director was doing from the beginning, you realize it’s all premeditated.
Wolfatadoor Hereditated
Absolutely agree. I thought it was incredible.
I don't think the ending and tonal shift were alluded to enough. Theres no real indication that logic could be thrown out the window at the end. It was surprising but too jarring imo. I actually don't mind the ending but i wish there was more of a build up to it throughout the movie.
How was there not? Trace the entire plot:
Opening shot of the treehouse, established satanic chapel, pan to Peter's room establishing him as the future vessel for Paimon, establish cultists at funeral, show Paimon symbol on post, decapitate Charlie so Paimon can exit, con the mother into performing a seance to have the demon enter the home, kill off each family member one by one, and then take the human form of Peter at the end. It's all there from frame 1.
Wolfatadoor I think the flying headless body was a bit much. The theatre I was in burst out laughing at that scene.
It worked!
Binge-watching RLM content summoned another RLM video!
It's almost like summoning a demon I guess...
synchronicity lad
The prophesy is fulfilled.
"Dinner's good dad"
"Thanks bud" - DAD
Mike's alternate ending would have been the greatest thing to ever happen in any cinematic experience to date
Thirty seconds in and they're already shitting on Solo again. Beautiful.
I liked it quite a bit (surprised me since I watched the review first), but Mike was dead on about the cinematography.
What was with that mess? It was so distracting. Almost every shot with two people talking was back-lit. I watched it on a 20 foot screen and could barely make out their faces.
One scene in particular scene at the end, Solo, Beckett, and Qi'Ra were facing three different directions on a sunny day and all three were back lit. I mean, really? Really?
I liked pretty much everything else though, except atrocity that was Han's last name reveal of course. That was just stupid.
In the end, it's about family and working as a team.
MyNickWasTaken137 Take that Brad Bird!
And love
God, I love this movie. The best horror movies have a strong emotional core, good performances and characters you care about (or can at least relate to), and Hereditary has all that in spades.
Plus it’s also scary and disturbing as FUCK
100%
Exactly 👍 films like these are the antidote to having nothing but jump scare, 'inspired by real events', worn out franchises or heaps of 'ghost' movies - I'm guessing that a lot of RLM fans appreciate the Hereditarys that stand out for being a real, intelligent films in a sea of jackass-caliber boredom-inducing flotsam 😎
I love this movie but it suffers the same problem as bone tomahawk. It has that moment or element that is so unpleasant, I don’t want to revisit it. The Witch also with the mortar and pestle though that is “easier” to shut out. I get it. Horror. But I want to want to rewatch. Still an amazing movie just one I won’t watch much.
It is amazing.
The miniature thing points to the fact that the family has been watched from the outside by this cult for years and years. These horrific traumas (suicide etc) being orchestrated by granny herself and her friends following the progress. This is underlined further by scenes of the family members literally being watched by strangers (at the funeral, at school, outside the house, inside the house). I would love for Mike and Jay to do a re-view of this one in the future. It is close to a masterpiece in my opinion, and one of the few horror movies that actually terrified me as an adult.
My favourite scene is when the mother floats up to the tree house. Complete silence. Really good moment to just soak in the visuals. Loved the movie, could barely watch though since I'm a big baby when it comes to horror movies
@@shodancat1000 ugh yes, that scene was like the visual representation of a fever dream. I also really love the scene when the son is laying in the bed covered in ants. I love how unforgivingly uncomfortable the movie was
Personally I loved the scene where peter was wondering through the house and she was in the background as a blur slowly crawling around
It was creepy in a bad dream sort of way. Like not really understanding what you're seeing, but it happens so quickly and fluidly that it's unsettling.
@@jamiegibson5506 sure, if you look at it from a "haha funny" perspective because you'd prefer over the top orchestral music stings and Baguul busting through the wall screeching like a velociraptor. Real life happens in flat comedy shots and angles, without cinematic embellishments. The detached and emotionless execution of having something completely nightmarish happen (your headless mother floating across the yard), portrayed in an uncaring way without any fucking horror movie trope bells or whistles added is what makes these scenes. It's like witnessing anything utterly traumatic in reality, birds keep chirping and you still feel that pebble in your shoe. Your neighbor on the other side of the building keeps mowing their lawn. The world doesn't adapt and re-write itself around personal tragedy. That is where the flat, undramatic "omg lol funnee" shots come in, it taps into the possible personal experiences of the viewer. But hey if you prefer stretchy face screaming CGI ghost ladies that's cool
I love this movie but scene of corpses flying to tree house was not so scary to me, actually i saw that and thought to myself: "Really? That's scary?" but it's small issue. I found scene with Annie decapitating herself and the way she stares at Peter... Bone-Chilling
The one scene that had me holding my breath was when he was laying in bed, and he hears his mother screaming outside. I had the most heavily feeling in my chest during this moment. I ended up pausing the movie to go outside and take a walk. For whatever reason, that’s the one scene that stuck with me the most.
the way it works is that it (paymen) can only travel into someone at extreme weakness, and can only leave its current host through decapitation. watching this again knowing this makes it scarier as when someone is decapitated it shows paymen coming for whoever’s next
This clears things up, thank you
Annie’s screams after the car scene will haunt me for the rest of my life
Toy Story 2 is honestly an underrated horror flick
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@@dr.decker3623 What horror movies do you recommend?
@@Keovey Scary Movie 5 probably
@@LaketwigYES I love the scary movie franchise
Gabriel Byrned :(
The ending was weirdly happy. The son was wanted after all. Lmao
That’s why it felt so disturbing to me. The demon is manifest.
That's kinda how I looked at the ending too. It all kinda worked out in a strange way.
I genuinely loved that final scene. It was the selling part for the whole movie to me tbh
I think this is a valid interpretation; and I say this *in earnest*, I do not mean to be mean: I hope you are in therapy.
Yeah the family's finally, REALLY together now and on the same page. Wholesome as hell tbh.
That scene with asking her husband to burn the book: She isn't being "crazy": at that point she has figured it out. The problem is that because of the family dynamic, her husband wasn't involved with the process of learning, so to HIM she is acting "crazy". And that is the horror: Everything she is saying in that scene is correct, but, he doesn't believe her.
I took her husband catching on fire as if she was having a delusion and set him on fire where in her mind she was arguing and making a point, but in reality she was soaking him in something flammable and lighting him on fire.
@@Aaron-kj8dv Its okay to be wrong :)
I was Mike halfway through this movie, but I was a hard Jay by the end, the payoff is great.
A hard Jay is a good jay. A halfway Mike is just a waste.
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"SHE WAS A FAST MACHIIIIINE"
23:05 not sure if someone has already pointed this out in the comments but the miniature house does provide context to the movie that the actual house and the people in it are monitored by the cult and a lot of events that happened are pre meditated by the cult and aided by the demon. It's like Toni is working on the miniature not knowing that she herself is part of a bigger set being played by the cult.
The Palmer house in Twin Peaks is my favorite horror house. It is perfectly normal, yet the frickin ceiling fan will make you poop you adult diaper.
E-lec-tricity
Kcor stel!
That was an unfortunately amazing impression of AC/DC
lmao
Thls movie had some bone chilling scenes. It genuinely reminded me of seeing The Shining for the first time. It combined the sort of disgusting, graphic stuff with psychological terror really well. I don't wanna think about the ending which is a good sign. Everything from the kid being sent home from school to the end was disturbing and feels so vivid in my memory.
Rosemary's baby is also a horror masterpiece.
I don't think Charlie was as innocent as we think. I interpreted it as Paimon was already possessing Charlie but because she was a female he was unhappy and needed a male host. So when Peter was frantically driving her to the hospital, Paimon was already aware of the pole being on the road they were driving on and stuck Charlie's head out the window to be decapitated as part of the ritual to ultimately possess Peter. What do yall think?
Well, you said it yourself, that's Paimon acting through Charlie. The only who time I knew we heard the real Charlie is during the seance when she talks through her mother. She sounds like a completely normal girl then, very different from when she was alive.
It’s pretty much confirmed by the actress and director that Charlie was always Paimon.
Paipaltine's behind it all!
they stated in the final scene that Paimon was Charlie before
You're right.
Someone should tell Mike that the kid on the left with the man bun he was smoking with under the bleachers is naked in the end in the tree house ritual.
Every decent horror movie nowdays are lauded "best horror movie ever made", and all of them tend to polarize audiences. The Babadook, It Follows, The Witch, Get Out - I like all of them, but they're the kind of movies everyone either love or hate.
They tend to feel very flavor of the year and dont tend to have the staying power classics like The Exorcist did. Also worth pointing out a lot of classic horrors like The Shining, The thing, and I believe even the Exorcist werent that popular at release. I could be wrong about the exorcist on that.
Yes. Older horror movies have much more staying power. These newer films are good for a quick energetic fling but then you move on cuz they start going on about their petty drama and it’s like ugh.
I think heriditary has staying power to be honest. It was the first horror film in ages to actually get to me and freak me and cause me unease. The way it's shot along with the fact it can be interpreted a few different way with alot of subtlety can make it last beyond just this year and more of in the ranks of some of the best horror films
Only time will tell if the success-stories from the last 4-5 years will stay, but I wouldn't be surprised. Just think about how we nowdays speak so favorably of pretty much every horror movie from the eightes, even when some of them are cheesy rubbish.
I believe The Exorcist divided critics, but it was a massive financial hit, partially thanks to the media circus that appeared in its wake. And I know The Thing was butchered at release. Some of the reviews I've read are plain sad.
Get Out and It Follows were extremely overhyped. I'm still kinda pissed Get Out was nominated for Best Picture. There's been so many more deserving horror films that were never nominated.
I'm betting the Academy will gloss over this even though Toni Collette is more than deserving of a Best Actress nomination and Ari Aster should at least get a Best Original Screenplay nod if Jordan Peele was able to win it.
Mike's AC/DC impression starts off about right, turns into Brent Hinds and nearly goes into Meatwad territory by the end
This movie instilled hopelessness so well. Genuinely a disturbing movie, perfectly capturing helplessness.
The whole point of the film was that the family (unbeknownst to themselves) were just the next generation of a long-standing demon bloodline and were always under the influence of the cult. The cults mission was to bring a Demon into this world. This Demon, called Paimon, prefers a healthy male body that he can possess. The original plan was for Peter to become Paimon. When he was young, the plan failed as the family fell out with the grandmother and moved away. Eventually they reconnect and the daughter is used instead. The grandmother “stabs her hooks in”, “feeds her”, essentially feeding the demon within her and making it stronger than the host. For Paimon to successfully possess the body of the next host, previous hosts must be decapitated. Thus, creating the sole ruler King Paimon. So as the cult manipulate the world around the family, in the end, the cult succeed, and the family always had about as much control of their own lives, as the miniatures had over theirs. They were destined to be the sacrificial lambs from the very beginning.
No hope.
This is easily one the greatest horror movies ever. Watch it again and again and you will see things you definitely missed the first time.
It has feels of old 70s horror films but the outstanding direction from Ari Aster and superb acting catapult this horror masterpiece into the fucking stratosphere!!!!!!
The "hook" for me was when Charlie died. Did not expect that.
I'm with Jay on this one. The unpredictable nature of the plot kept me going. Towards the end when Toni Collette basically figures out what's going on, it lost some of its momentum. Still a great movie though.
Totally agree with Jay too. This film hooked me from the beginning.
Finally got around to watching this and this has to be the scariest movie I can remember ever seeing. And I'm 47 and can't remember ever being scared of a movie. Creeped out occasionally, but rarely affected. Granted, I've been sick for a few days, but damn, this one got to me.
Just saw this movie, still under the emotional effect of it... I'm blown away. I really don't get where Mike is coming from on this one. This movie deserve some real credit. By the time the creepy imagery sets in, you are so distraught that you are just ripe for the taking. I watched it with my little brother who's used to fast paced movies and explosions everywhere. It was a joy to see him really get into it and be taken by it's emotional resonance.
I think that we're experiencing a renaissance of horror movies, outside of the "popcorn horror" that Mike and Jay described.
Oblivious Reviews I’d agree with that. It started sometime within the last five years and really kicked off with movies like It Follows and The Babadook
Agree. You could also add films like Oculus, The Autopsy of Jane Doe and Starry Eyes - a far more atmospheric and less "jumpscary" kind of horror.
TheHitherto I liked Oculus and Starry Eyes but couldn’t get into Jane Doe.
Horror movies tend to have a boon period during times of economic certainty and under conservative stewardship of the government. This are by no means definitive measures but this phenomenon has been documented and written about at length.
Economic displacement is obviously worrisome for folks and I doubt that needs an explanation but conservative politicians are more likely to stoke the flames of social anxiety about by antagonizing for brownie points which causes unrest. To give a recent example of that look to around 2015 when transgender issues started hitting the mainstream. You'd think that transgender folks just popped out of the aether and started walking into public toilets in the nude. Now during the Obama presidency there were a lot of gains for the transgender community that didn't warrant any mainstream attention until then. Why? Obergefel v. Hodges was decided. Couldn't effectively use that as a social issue to draw out the vote because, well, a Supreme Court ruling is pretty final. Hence comes a whole new set of made up social anxieties to rile people up. Even though we never needed laws before and we all knew that transgender people existed for the better part of a century suddenly there's a whole new set of concerns regarding transgender people like using the restroom or getting birth certificates changed. Again, this was all a addressed by Obama earlier in his tenure and nobody gave a shit. Creating a bad guy like that for somebody to beat up is a lot more effective for getting people to vote than pointing to vague numbers that say our economy is bad. This cultural anxiety creates a new source of worry that can be used in film from the perspective of the majority as well as that of the targeted minority.
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The reason Peter is chosen because Paimon needed a strong male host. He was being bred through Charlie until Peter could properly be the vessel. The hereditary aspect is the family being cursed. I mean the first shot is in looking in Peters room. Peter is Paimons puppet. Joan’s two sons “drowned” because they weren’t strong enough for Paimon.
I always come back to watch the part where Mike does AC/DC lmaooo
Loved the camera work in this movie. More than anything, the camera work and framing really set the tone of this and draws you into it. The acting is also top-notch, and it's just so different that it stands out as a real gem in the genre.
As far a miniatures go I definitely saw it as her way to cope (she did that one of her daughters head on the road) but also since there was so much imagery tying them to a miniature (the opening obviously and stuff like the framing of those big room shots that stayed still) I also felt like it represented this question of whether they were even responsible for their fate, just seemed like a lot was happening to them and felt like a outside force paving the way for the family.
Agreed, especially coupled with the greek tragedy foreshadowing in the classroom scenes
it also was used as a story telling tool instead of flashbacks, I kinda felt they were more for the filmmaking than the plot and thought they were a little too external but I'm starting to come around a bit
it has a vouyeristic feel to me. makes it feel like our perspective as the audience we're just looking in on a diorama of this family's suffering
Studio is too blame for marketing this movie as the "scariest movie of all time" when it's more atmospheric and dramatical.
It's A24 though, they're not like Sony or Warner Bros. It seems almost like the trailers were made from an entirely different cut of the movie.
John Snow 'dramatical'
It has a scene with naked elderly satanists chanting a hipster version of "hail Satan!"
FILM OF THE CENTURY!
I’m actually glad it fooled General audiences including myself because it surprised me of where it was going next.
Like Mike, I though it would be Charlie haunting the family throughout the movie, but it ended up being wildly different
@@SteeZy644 Erm, actually I had the opposite reaction. They foreshadowed way too hard that the grandmother was in a cult that wanted Charlie to have been born a male instead of a female. I actually spent most of the movie thinking "I really hope that the film doesn't end how I think it will, with the boy being possessed by Charlie's ghost because of a satanic ritual."
Then, it happened, and I was severely disappointed.
I love how poignantly the horror is projected from actors' reactions in this film: their countenances, their movements, their eyes. We experience their horror.
“Witch get in the bed of, uh, creepy blanket, and you go ‘aaah, creep.’”
Beautiful.
The best part of this movie was when I yelled at the teenagers sitting in front of me to shut the hell up.
LittleJimmy835 no shit, I did the exact same thing at my theater. By the way LittleJimmy you better get to work on that review on the Predator!
Doing gods work
Wow. What a badass.
"If you keep doing that I will gut you from crotch to sternum like a rainbow trout" Worked for me, 2002.
OK boomer
A football team vs a satanic cult, now that's a b movie I want to see
But what about a football team that IS the satanic cult?
@@Superblamblamman Chelsea FC?
Superblamblamman ... the faculty?
Satanic Cults require a lot of reading, and that means NERDS. Football teams can't do that.
I took the doll miniature aspect as that's how the family was being treated by the cult, like pawns.
This film took my head clean off!!
This film actually did have test screenings. Someone who went to one said that the original ending (SPOILERS) had the guy stab out his own eyes at the end, but like 23/25 of the test screeners didn't like that ending, so they changed it.
JonCJGFan - Full Seasons That would have been awesome. Test screeners are weak.
I hate test screenings
They teased that happening many times and I was wondering why they never followed through with it
Stabbing out his eyes would parallel the play they were talking about in the class at the beginning, which also parallels the helpless tragedy of the movie. That would’ve been awesome
He should've stabbed his own eyes out as they all chant and camera pans out. Cut to black. Would've been another cherry on top of this fucked sundae.
I really loved this. Can't remember last time a horror film unnerved me so much, might be as long ago as the original Ring.
Oh god.... Dude I couldn't imagine thinking Hereditary and The Ring(original Japanese) as the scariest movies.
Not hating though, that's your opinon.
jcardboard Felt the exact same way. Ring is up there for me too
Just watched Hereditary, finally, and this is some A+ Jay here.
25:15 the cult was everywhere present. they also "drugged" annie (the tea at joans house) and peter (by a friend of his, the dude with the dark long hair pony tail, with the pot they smoked, which was sure mixed with these herbs) and charlie (as a baby, by the grandmother as seen on one photo where you see something dark on the ground of the bottle) with whats called "dittany of crete" as seen in joans drawer, which is to make a body more prone to demonic possession. also the creepy smirking guy at the funeral is seen naked in the doorframe by the end with the same grin, the woman waving to charlie from across the street was also naked in the house in the attic with the professor of peter for example.
when I go see a movie (particularly horror), I let myself become completely emotionally vulnerable to the plot. I want to give it every opportunity to scare me senseless. this movie did it perfectly. nothing felt like a stupid decision just to further the plot. a lot of people say it drags in the middle, but I dont think that's a fair statement. this movie turns grief into a different type of horror to face, and then returns to terror. hereditary really got under my skin and hit raw nerves I have from my own family. if you classify a good horror film as having jump scares (like that bullshit Sinister movie) then you aren't appreciating what horror is. its not about being startled for a brief minute, it's about an attack on your psyche.
Yeah I do that too..... But unfortunately didn't have the same effect as you.
Well fucking said. Couldn't agree more.
Krista Caswell absolutely. Fuck, the screams when she saw Charlie in the car... I literally fucking vomited. The grief in there was so fucking raw. So. Fucking. Raw. Reminded me of when I had to give a baby CPR.
You get it! Dead on.
The only thing I thought that the family did that was a "stupid decision" was that they always forget Charlie's epi pen. But then again, part of the movie is about how the family has no real choice over their own fate, which is likely why they always forget to bring it.
There are like no toys in the background... obviously you're not real movie buffs.
They aren't, they're VCR repairmen.
The toys are in the break room in back, to play with, as they wait for customers, whom have a hard time getting to the front counter from all the junk that has been tossed off or over it.
The customers then ask, "Hey can you like upgrade this VCR to play 4k disc?" or is it "Hey can you upgrade my VCR to play the tapes in 4k?" ;)
They don't have poster of troll 2 and the room on wall they not real movie lovrs
Oh, shit. I didn't even realize that's a thing until I read this. Completely spot on.
The Nerd Crew bought out all the geeky stock in their town.
Hereditary was a fantastic movie. Toni Collette was (as always) beautiful, but friggin goosebump inducing. Especially at the end of the fire scene.
Mike = the first time I saw Hereditary
Jay = the second time I saw Hereditary
Actually I took it as the cult succeeded in putting the demon into the daughter, but she didn't suffice, because the demon wanted a male body. So the sister was just temporary & the brother's the permanent possession. And Jay's right about those shitty reviews..lmao, this movie was dreadful, creepy & definitely scary.
and why do you think that, exactly? elaborate.
Yeah yeah, we get it, you didn't like the movie. Why are you telling EVERYONE?
DEADSCHOOLED What? Are coming after me with your 300 confirmed kills in gorilla warfare?
lol _triggered_
A weak father figure is a horror movie trope. I don't think he was underwritten. He was intentionally useless.
Cope
Yeah, he meekly tries to keep the family together even as every other member appears to be insane, and even when there's clearly all sorts of satanic stuff going on he just ends up seeming 'tired of all this shit'. It's a limited but important role as the kind of centre of the family, the one normal member.
I thought Byrne was great.
*Spoilers*
Yeah, he also plays the role of the "normal" person and skeptic. He's not directly affected by the hereditary curse (until the very end). Thus he doesn't see the supernatural plot against them even after it should be obvious even to him that something is very, very wrong (e.g. after the Charlie seance scene; his son breaking his face on his desk shortly after his mother-in-law and daughter died in quick succession; the corpse in the attic). He's useless/clueless and it enhances the sense of isolation felt by the rest of the family; Annie in particular is unable to make herself understood.
I read online that he is a therapist by profession. They cut that explaining that detail from the final movie, but it explains how he is trying to bring stability to all remaining people in the family even though everyone is going insane. He struggles with going along with the ritualistic ways to solve grief (doing seance and stuff) in order for Annie to get some closure and trying to salvage the relationship between Peter and her mother out of concern for Peter. In the end Paimon lights him on fire because in trying to stabilize the mental condition of Peter and Annie he makes them both less susceptible to possession by Paimon. I really dig how destroying the mental stability of Peter is explained as good plot device because it makes him more susceptible to possession by Paimon, the ultimate goal of the cult.
To go off the father being the straight man in this, you also need to look at it as just a movie about a stressed family dynamic: he is the silent, authority figure that everyone relies on but he has no one to rely on, himself.
His role as father and husband is to be someone for Annie to push away and someone to mediate between Annie and Peter. He is also grieving for his dead daughter, his son who is having all these issues, and his wife literally going insane. He's losing everyone around him and they're all looking to him for support but he gets nothing from them back.
I think saying "Scariest movie since The Exorcist" is just such a loaded statement, I have no idea why marketing people set movies up for failure like that. Nothing will ever be like The Exorcist, because The Exorcist came out in a completely different time, in a completely different climate, and back then it was genuinely shocking. I actually think Hereditary hit a lot of the same notes as The Exorcist for me, and in my mind that statement isn't even that inaccurate, but the problem is that we live in a post-Exorcist world where filmmakers have had almost half a century to work with the framework that The Exorcist laid down. Audiences today are incredibly desensitized as we grow more accustomed to this kind of cinema. I remember the first time I saw The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and when it was over I kinda went "That was it? Looking back on it now, I do think it's an unsettling movie, but I was expecting something so much more gruesome just from the hype, hype which was at that point like 40 years old. A comparison between a movie from 1973 and a movie from 2018 is just completely redundant. Either way I think Hereditary is one of the best horror movies in recent memory, and I think it opens up a lot on a second viewing too. There is an incredible amount of detail and foreshadowing which puts everything in a completely different context. If you didn't like it the first time a second viewing might be a tall order and I get that, but if you did like it I recommend seeing it again!
Ok Exorcist Gatekeeper
I thoroughly enjoyed your rant
@@lukasz2284 Ehh I think he has a point to be honest, look at The Blair Witch project, that was a movie that could only do what it did one time, no other movie now can take it. Exorcist and Blair Witch were products of their time in the best way possible, in that they *weren't*
"Those kids ain't figuring nothin' out" lol