@A. Lampman I would've believed you thought what you were saying was true if you would've written "Most of us are to stupid too understand their's a difference anyway."
camhcom That scene where he corners Bev and the chase scene over the bridge down the gully were the only times I was on edge worried for the characters.
@@thenbhdenthusiast3699 haha it’s the actors portrayal that got the laughing I’m sure. It was said “ so goofy”. Maybe if he was laughing at the girl acting scared. And I’m laughing at you because you got offended by thewildcard person opinion of an actors performance. Now I’m laughing at you even more because of your conclusions.
The after credit scene had Pennywise crawling out the hole and a black guy with an eye patch pop out of nowhere. The black guy talks about the monster initiative and that he wasn't the only monster to kill children
Coletrain Hetrick Hack means it's a sweaty, greying, overweight movie-reviewing man-baby in his late 30s. Mike Stoklasa, for example, is a hack. A hack fraud, in fact.
I think the worst part about the contrast between "Jump scare" vs. "Disturbing/unnerving" scenes in horror is that today's major audience might not like the latter simply because they don't LIKE having fear after the movie. They don't like being scared THAT much, and therefore might not recommend a really deeply horrific film BECAUSE it made them uncomfortable or scared. It's almost like a roller coaster ride for them: they love the ups, downs, and adrenaline rush during the ride, but they definitely won't like it if it followed them after getting off. In my opinion a great horror film -- The Thing, 28 Days Later, etc. -- will force your mind to remember it at the worst of times, when you're alone and it's all dark and the only thing you can hear is your breath. IT (2017) is a fantastic rollercoaster ride! Very stylistic and visually striking as a film. It shocks the audience, but not enough for them to go back home and leave the lights on; just enough to feel spooked but feel normal the next day. I heard some of my friends stating that IT was the scariest film they've seen in a while, but like I said: I think they were just riding an adrenaline ride of fun rather than actually feeling that gut wrenching fear. Now, I'm not saying the original IT is better or that the newer IT is better, or if making horror films into "rollercoasters" is even a bad thing -- sometimes having a movie frighten you for a couple of days isn't the most fun -- but I do believe that's where cinema is taking the horror genre now. Fuck. Why did I spend this much time on a comment no one will read.
Fine, I guess I don't count, but I read the damn comment anyway, and I liked it, it wasn't that good, but it had some good moments and I doubt I will ever remember this comment after I close my browser, but I enjoyed it while I was reading it.
I don't know if "Today's audience" is that apt a term in all honesty. More like just "Audiences". This mentality isn't exactly new. It has prevailed since the dawn of horror. Universal was quick to start turning their horror series' into action, comedy or drama over horror (See the Frankenstein, Mummy and Invisible Man series' in particular for this), this cycle was seen again with series like Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street generations later. I'm sure you know why as well as I. It's the natural progression of something exiting a niche and entering a mainstream environment. Horror on what a super-fan would call a "Pure" level isn't exactly the most marketable to the broad demographic and the real money of the horror-market has always lied with the "Superficial horror-fans", pardon the rude way of putting it. Hell, light-horror is something I, as a massive horror enthusiast, often encourage, dismissing the notion that all horror should always be unpleasant or even made to be scary. There is great joy in things like the second half of From Dusk Till Dawn or Brain Dead. I guess the problem is just over-saturation. With horror bigger than it's been in years, those that caused horror movies to dry up in the first place are now once again keen on striking the iron and the focus is now on the broad demographic, leaving those with passion for the subtle and surreal to starve. Or maybe it's all just perceptive. After all, quality horror has always been scarce. It's just that now alot of "Standard" horror it is being dumped on our lap at once, so finding the gems takes more effort and makes it just seem like horror is in a worse position than it actually is. Nothing has really changed, just that the scarcity of really "good" horror movies is further punctuated by how much "bad" horror is out there.
Exactly! I'm sucky at describing things, and thats what I've wanted to say. Its the reason people will say "Oh thats just a bunch of a gore!!! Thats not scary, its just stupid gore". As if being kidnapped and tortured and dismembered isn't a horrifying thought. Same reason these people love Hereditary.
Jacob Lynch our of the whole town the losers club were truly victimized by not only the bullies but by their personal home lives. Especially Beverly. That’s what drew them together and ultimately gave them there power over it. Pennywise loves playing with his food. Out of all the children in dairy those losers were basically marinated. They were the easiest meal he could find. Unbeknownst to Pennywise all the losers had a little of the shining. Giving them a “spidersense”😎 that kept them on the run. Which Pennywise didn’t mind because the town is his web. And having ran from Pennywise would taste that much better later. Unfortunate for Pennywise they would find strength in their belief in the love for each other and in not being afraid of Pennywise. Which weakens him and makes him/her/it afraid of the losers club.
MrAppie9090 thats because there two different types of movie monsters. Penny wise feeds on dairy like a spider with morbid intelligence and a xenomorph is an alien ant. Big difference. But ya like what ya like and vise versa. I’ll be waiting for chapter 2.😎
@@teece92 but he never lets them go to "salt the meat." that's just something the movies put in because it's hard to do the actual reason they get away (because they have something to anchor them to the world and they aren't overwhelmed by fear of it, e.g. the bird book, or just their faith in each other) i would even say it makes more sense if pennywise isn't even intelligent, and its agency is just something the kids project onto it in the same way it's weak to silver because they believe that. that pennywise is nothing but a horrible reflection of people's psyche and there's nothing at all behind the mirror, no will or intelligence
Okay for real, Jay's lame joke about how "its ironic clowns are taking this so seriously", is legitimately one of the best jokes hes ever had. Gold star quality.
Children's fears: Monsters, bullies, the dark Adult's fears: Not earning enough to pay bills, in-laws visiting, another piece of their childhood being destroyed by Hollywood
Jay seems to have missed that during the scene where Ben is researching Derry in the library you can see an old woman in the background who appears to turn around and stare at him with a creepy grin from the other side of the library. The camera cuts back to behind his head twice and each time she appears to have inched slightly closer to him.
New to this channel but whoever the guy on the right is, he's talking a hell of a lot of sense. And the guy on the left is funny with minimal effort. Think i'm a fan already
the beginning of every "scary" scene is actually scary because it starts subtle. like the woman in the painting lingering in the shadows for like 10 seconds or when one burnt disgusting hand slowly comes out of the door. then they just ruin it by over killing it lol
I know right? Creepy imagery, atmosphere and tension building are so passé. Loud noises and musical cues (and random cats jumping into frame) are super scary af.
Only sequence that sticks with me from the new IT is when the kid is reading about the history of the town at the library. There's a woman in the background who stares at him from between two bookshelfs. No sounds, no sudden movements, just her (probably Pennywise in disguise) looking at him.
I notice that lady every fucking time! And it’s not even mentioned anywhere! She just stares at him! It’s super creepy, definitely the most on edge I was while watching the movie.
honestly didn't notice this, but that's probably because everything else in the movie was so telegraphed and in the foreground of each shot that i wasn't conditioned to pay attention to anything going on in the background, it is legitimately creepy though, probably the creepiest shot in the whole film
Going back and watching this review.. it's a classic. When Jay makes a bad joke he reminds me of how my dog looks when I catch him pooping in the house.
It's one of those scares that becomes more haunting as it begins to dawn on you that what you are looking at defies any explanation. To this day, when I think about that scene, it scares me just trying to comprehend it. You just see it and sit there as a cold chill climbs up your back.
Stephen King's It has the potential to be the single scariest horror film ever made, and it never will be, because Stanley Kubrick is dead and the fat cats don't respect you.
TooCooFoYou I don't think he did, but Bev and her dad had a much more intense scene, and bowers had a couple very disturbing scenes that would have probably caused some people to walk out of the movie
Funny enough, King absolutely hated the film adaptation of The Shining. I always found it interesting one of cinemas most beloved films was hated by its original creator
The crazy backstory about the source of the evil is all an homage to H. P. Lovecraft and "The Yog-Sothoth". It's not just cocaine, it's an attempt to write a modern horror novel in the style of Lovecraft, hence the crazy detailed obsession with provincial history.
It's weird to say this, but Tim Curry as the clown was subtle, despite being completely over the top. When Georgie discovers the clown in the storm drain, Tim Curry acts like how a real clown would act, entertaining a kid. The situation of a clown in a storm drain is what's making it creepy despite both the kid and the clown acting normally. Then the clown starts saying weird things but in a cheerful way which causes the back of our minds to tell us something is seriously wrong. THEN that's when the teeth come out. It isn't just a jump scare, loud noise, scare chord or annoying fast-forward editing.
While Tim acts like a real clown, that's not how Pennywise is presented in the book. Him being an otherworldly being with no real physical form, he doesn't fully understand what having one is like, or how to act human and they nailed that aspect in the new film with his eyes looking in two directions/never making eye contact at all, the slow and off speaking pattern, the drooling, and the erratic movements. I would have liked there to not be a loud noise or a silly shot of him like, chomping his arm like a cartoon, but once it's on Bluray it can be easily edited to remove that kind of stuff.
ltflak I see where you're coming from but I actually prefer the new one. He feels much more like an ancient evil entity that's trying to mimic human behaviour and can't help but salivate upon seeing a defenseless kid for him to prey on. I don't dislike Curry's portrayal though, he's also good in his own right. I also liked the arm chomping scene. It's not everyday a horror movie shows a child being mutilated and going into this I'd completely forgotten it was rated R so that caught me off guard.
Well, if I'm remembering correctly, whenever he had the teeth out, wasn't it just an awkward zoom on his face? That's not all that scary either; it's more just over-the-top.
Yeah I haven't seen the new movie yet nor did I have an opinion (naturally) on it before watching this review, but when they showed that part in this video I literally, LITERALLY cringed. Is Pennywise a fan of Lena Headey's portrayal of Cercei Lannister now? "Take I-T."
ltflak Bill skarsgard and Tim Curry are both superb in their own ways. The problem is the loud jump scare noise edit that ends everytime Bill is finished talking
Thats exactly Stephen King in a nutshell. 25 ideas all at once shoved into one Narrative. That and *A LOT* of Cocaine. There's a reason IT is so insane.
"I'm friends with a ghost on facebook" is the definition of a Japanese light novel title. I swear that's the only time I see a story with the basic plot AS the title, and I think it's hilarious every time.
Human x ghost is pretty popular for a niche subgenre, so yeah lmfao there are plenty of manga, LNs, VNs and anime doing this concept already. I'm not really overly interested, myself. Unless I see r18 on the cover, then I'll buy it
I honestly think that the Jump Scare has killed the modern horror format. Many of the scariest horror films of all time didn't have one jump scare and relied on storytelling, mood, and subtleties to create a disturbing atmosphere. Now, people seem to have forgotten the difference between being scared and startled. A quality horror film should stick with you long after it is over because it scared you, this can't happen if all the scares are just loud noises that make you jump. I remember all the best horror films I have ever seen used to make me afraid to leave my room or go outside at night when i was younger they affected me so much... I don't think a film has had an impact on me like that since the first time I saw The Ring 15 years ago.
+tankmaster1018 That's an excessive and overblown conclusion, nothing has "killed" it, good horror movies in the "modern" format you describe come out every year
The exorcist did have a kind of jump scare with "the face" flashing up in a way that you could miss it or notice it in a way that you don't actually pick up on which is still pretty clever to this day. The silence of the dream that goes alongside it adds to the intensity and is then broken by the scream straight after.
The part where Pennywise abruptly stops chuckling with Georgie to silently stare at him is genuinely disturbing, so this movie felt like it had its heart in the right place even with all the jump scares.
That scene played well. Some of the other subtle moments worked well also. when Beverly comes in and the television is telling people to "take your friends to the sewer and go inside". That was ruined later by the Henry dad scene of course. I also liked when mike was getting assaulted and saw pennywise watching / waving that child's arm. 98% of the other scares depended on shaky camera and LOUD noises, which is lame.
To add to a conversation from nearly a year ago, I think that the Jump Scare is bad because it doesn't ring true to the "true" definition of horror. When reading around about Cosmic Horror, I heard one of the best examples of what real horror should be. "True horror in media is when you are afraid to go to bed. It lingers in the back of your mind. It's the kind of horror that makes you instinctively feel like you are not alone in a room, but you aren't afraid to turn around. You can just feel it cast a shadow and be unsettling." That to me, is a good baseline to go for when making a horror movie.
Jw Nj poorly developed kid characters, a overly sexualized pennywise, unnerving but ultimately hollow because you don't give a shit about the main characters. The shining is a classic because of directing, it's writing on the other hand is weak and pathetic. Jack is insane from the start and does not have a arc, the kid has no real agency, the mother is fucking annoying.
Yeah I get the Jack is crazy from start but you know the movie tells you from the beginning something terrible will happen soon, which is why I always wished Robin Williams took the role.
@@hendrickcavvendish6634the books always string you along because he’s got an engaging writing style. Then the book ends and you think about it and it’s like, how did I read all 1,000 pages of something so stupid?
All that happens at the very end of the credits is Pennywise laughs goofily over the title card. After cleaning that theater multiple times, I've gotten sick of it.
Franklin Barnes I was gonna do the same thing without an end jumpscare GENIUS! kinda. I was gonna do the same but I don't have that kind of money being a kid
Hi Red Letter Media. Thank you for your vids. My dad, pets, and I evacuated FL for Irma and we had to drive really far. One of our cars broke half way to the hotel in Mississippi. The hotel we booked didnt accept pets. Once we settled into to another hotel, I watched this vid. Surprisingly helpful break. Sometimes you're not just reviewing vids but also helping ppl.
Dangerous Joy We're heading back. Based on fb posts, the roads are cleared, stores and restaurants are opening. I sure hope my house in is an area that has power.
@Michael Silve I laughed so hard when they said it was like a Goosebumps movie. That Fortune cookie scene was especially hilariously bad. When they were arguing over the fortunes it felt like a parody of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
I know no one's reading this but I gotta get it off my chest. Mike's parents are not dead in the book, that's another huge, unnecessary change by the film.
Fishslap 33 From what I’ve heard, no one was gay in the book, though some people noticed there was some unintentional gay subtext in it. I remember when the 2017 movie came out, I did hear that Richie was going to be gay in an earlier script of the movie, but it was left out in the final version. I admit that since it wasn’t brought up before Chapter 2 it definitely feels like it came out of nowhere, though I guess I was fine with it since I remembered the original rumor.
@@@nerdwarp112 Didn't the guy with asthma need one of the other boys present to be able to perform when they had their teenage orgy? Maybe my mind is going, and it's been decades since I read the book, but I do seem to remember something like that.
When he said Lake Mungo was the movie he saw that last gave him goosebumps, I jumped out of my chair in camaraderie because that was the last one I saw too that had that affect and I saw it last week. Horror movies dont get to me anymore, they are just fun now if anything but that one reminded me of how I felt when I was 12 and laying in bed with my mind wandering being afraid of having bad dreams about creepy shit I saw in The Ring or something.
last one for me was the strangers. It got me because it felt pretty real. there were things like the record skipping that felt freaky to me. I dont watch much horror though. and that was like 12 years ago. i was less critical back them. would be neat to see it again an see if its still any good to me
There was a few legitimately creepy moments, like the scene in the library in which the librarian seemed to be staring and smiling at the kid but it was out of focus so it was difficult to know if she was or not. Stuff like that worked really well, but the problem is that their wasn't enough of that.
I thought there were a lot of moments that would have been great if the sound track wasn't constantly elbowing me in the ribs and shouting "BOY THIS SURE IS SCARY HUH?!?!" Like when Pennywise appears in the storm drain, or the bit Jay mentioned with the head in the tree, or the scene where the painting comes to life and is kind of only subtly moving. I thought those could all have been legitimately creepy moments if literally the only change you made was to the soundtrack.
MrDamsky100 disagree. I found it just to misdirect. It was clearly frozen like crazy and then just nothing. Is the opposite of a jump scare and i have to agree with the other commenter. Boy o boy the music was a punch to the face.
Watch that scene where Ben is flipping through the book again. Every time the perspective changes to look at Ben, the librarian who gave him the book is just standing in the background, slightly out of focus, with the most evil smile on her face, getting a little closer with each shot. It's fucking creepy, and subtle enough to make me wonder if I missed some other stuff like that throughout the rest of the movie.
Except it serves no fucking purpose whatsoever. What is the point of having it there if nobody BUT the audience sees it. It's like that stupid cliche in horror movies where the killer's behind the character, but when they turn around it's gone. Tell me what was necessary about it other than "SPOOKY"
Except I'm not shitting on the film, I'm asking a question which you have failed to even answer. You say my argument's retarded, yet you haven't even made a single fucking point. Instead, you raised a straw man and suggested I was complaining about subtlety when I was ASKING what point it is to have that included in the film if it adds nothing to the overall movie.
Ben doesn't need to notice it for it to add tension and suspense to the movie. There's a Hitchcock quote, where he explains suspense, and describes a scene in which two people sitting at a table are having some innocuous conversation, but the audience knows there's a bomb under the table that will explode within minutes. If we decide that something being spooky isn't reason enough to include it in a spooky horror movie, we can also view it thematically. It serves to enforce the idea that there's something wrong with the adults of Derry, they can't be counted on by kids for dealing with this threat. You've got abusive parents, people driving by in a car without giving so much as a stern words to the bullies in the act of mutilating a kid, pharmacists hitting on underage girls, and a creepy librarian hungrily watching a little boy as he reads about a disaster in which dozens of children were blown to pieces. The kids are on their own, nothing else can help them.
I liked the librarian staring at Ben in the background, she’s blurry so you’re not supposed to focus on her but it looks like she has a big grin on her face
The loud, stupid audio cue that accompanies every scare in every goddamned modern horror movie is the horror equivalent of the laugh track. The creators of the movie don't have enough confidence in either their own writing or the intelligence of their audience, and so feel the need to tell you "this is the part that's supposed to be scary."
I wouldn't know. I gave up after the third one, and just know the others by reputation. Honestly, from the first three, I think that people go to see them for the same reason that they eat at McDonalds. Nobody actually *wants* it, but it's there, and you know what to expect, and sometimes you just turn off your standards and go to see/eat it
The way I see it, it has to be like this. If they made movies that were legitimately scary, the bozos in the audience might go into cardiac arrest. The world would be a better place, but the studio wouldn't be able to make as much money, so we're stuck.
DefinitelyNotYakra I actually thought the first paranormal activity was done pretty well. It created a real sense of dread and an unsettling atmosphere, I just think it had a really hard time building up to a huge pay off (still better than how Blair witch project ended). I thought the final shot was well done, albeit a little "expected" (in the sense that it was the "horror" movie cliche money shot). Keep in mind it was a film made with a several thousand dollar budget. The second and third were pretty bad in comparison, and had small remnants of what made the first so unsettling, and they had a few clever shots (like the scene with the furniture falling from the ceiling). I didn't see the last one because by then I was checked out.
I always find monsters that stalk you and appear in the background etc. Much scarier than something that jumps out at you because, if it's there I mean you could quite easily just punch it in the face or something which makes it less omnipotent and therefore less scary
No, it's a metaphor. He's using the stew as a representation of the movie, not as a reference. A simile is something like "His eyes were like fire" (dangerous, intense, etc.) - it's a comparison of qualities/attributes. If he was saying "The film is like a stew" to imply that the film is warm, comfortable, homely, etc. (or even just "it has ingredients") THEN it would be a simile, but that's not what he was doing. He's using stew ingredients as a substitution for film ingredients in order to illuminate what does and doesn't work. It's a metaphor. I know high school teaches "'like a' or 'as a' = simile, 'is a' = metaphor" but it's not that simple.
The librarian behind Ben freaked me out more than the pictures he was looking at ! In that scene she was in the background all hunched and leery/had Pennywise vibes.
When I was working in customer service one of my customers, who was a Stephen King fanboy, told me that if I read "IT" and didn't like it, he'd buy me any other book of my choice. So, I read "IT" and didn't like it - and he called me a liar and refused to buy me another book. I thought the chapters with the kids were mostly great, and the chapters with the adults were terrible. In the end, the adult story and the gangbang drug it down too far and I came away feeling like I'd wasted my time. I am not a big fan of King, anyway. He has written a few books that I've enjoyed - Pet Sematary, Christine, The Stand - but he relies on way too much filler and if you actually break down some of his descriptions, beyond their first impression, you realize they are nonsense. I tried rereading "Salem's Lot" but when nothing happened in fifty pages I realized it was pointless.
So I watched Lake Mungo. No jump scares as Jay said, and extremely creepy. The very end of the movie gave me the worst feeling of dread. Even through the credits, all of the photos, and the music. That's the kind of stuff that is relatable in a way. It reminded me of the story for Twin Peaks, but honestly, better in a way because it feels like a real documentary.
Love how Jay always randomly throws in good movie mentions in these popular horror movie reviews. This is where I get my horror movie watch list from. so far it hasn't disappointed yet
I haven't seen that, nor looked at any reviews. The moment I saw a trailer I knew it was going to be absolutely terrible, even without trying to compare it to a book.
They are connected already. There are other worlds than these. The turtle that created the world in IT is a beam guardian. "See the turtle, ain't he keen..."
Lake Mungo actually did have ONE subtle jumpscare that was timed in the movie PERFECTLY. And yeah, the night I watched it I was pretty fricken unsettled LOL.
I almost died from that down with the sickness joke. So fucking hilarious great job guys and I also agree with you. 90s It was better in some parts. I was laughing mostly through this film
Erick Wright If you really want to know about it that badly, but would also like to avoid being put on an FBI watch list, maybe type in "It love scene".
I watched Lake Mungo after hearing Jay recommend it, I was completely not prepared for how terrifying that was. It made me feel physically ill multiple times, I can't recommend it enough.
Wow, you're a real hero. Here's a medal. It wasn't 'scary' per say, it was unsettling. It effectively built an uncomfortable atmosphere, and was narratively very interesting. Also, it was hardly a jumpscare, you saw it coming, there was no jump, no loud music sting, just an unsettling image and an interesting implication.
TeddyShrooms That's called a cut. It happens when a movie wants to cut between shots? I kid, but I'd remain pretty steadfast in it not being a 'jump.' There's an art to the buildup, and the slow walk towards her own corpse. This startles you in the same way the too close shots in Inland Empire screw with your sense of comfort, it's very unsettling when films actively break your personal space. It gives you a brief moment of respite, then puts you back in front of the corpse, taking you way to close to this familiar yet unsettling image.
@@aqualitymagentachickenmask3298 Watch it again, there's a jump. After the cut to safety it cuts back to the still image, and suddenly the footage resumes with a rush and a frightening noise. The doppelganger either rushes at Alice or Alice throws her phone at it, very hard to tell what's happening. The first part wasn't a jump-scare I'll agree, but that's in part to disarm you. You think the scare is over. It's masterfully done, probably the greatest jump-scare in cinematic history, and so earned.
There was some subtle creepy parts too in the background of some shots of this movie. Like when the kid is in the library studying, right before he sees the red balloon the librarian lady is grinning super creepy and just glaring at him behind him. Movie never points this out but I found it bizarre and creepy.
how about instead of Bev being kidnapped by Pennywise and later saved by the rest of the main characters - it is Stan who is captured. while under the hypnosis of the dead-lights he is so terrified that even after being saved by his friends, just the memory of the experience is so traumatic he is driven to suicide later in life. i think that makes more sense.
Can we just appreciate the fact that at 43:52, when she hits unfriend with her laptop trackpad, we hear a stock sound effect of a computer mouse clicking?
I love how at 40:16 they use the end credits for The Day After Tomorrow, such a nothing movie that no one gives a shit about. It’s so fucking obscure I find it hilarious
I just found this channel recently and I wasnt entirely sure how I felt about it (reviews are typically not my thing) but after the past few days of watching, I knew I really enjoyed them and there content when I got home from a shit day at work and didnt feel relaxed at home till I heard that little piano entry. Fucking grade A content
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"The co-author of the book is cocaine." I'm using that in the future for various things. Thanks, Jay.
Robin Seaberg That sentence, or cocaine?
I was gonna use 'That line' instead of 'sentence', but that'd be confusing
Don’t, you’ll be arrested.
I cackled when he said that! 😆💯
Well, unlike you will be using it, it's true here. King was literally on drugs when he wrote this.
no, legit. King is on record saying he doesnt even remember writing this book
Why do I find it so fuckin' funny when Mike says "sex pervert" (as opposed to just "pervert")?
womp womp It's like saying space alien. It's just inherently funny.
Same.
Because you can become a perverse hack fraud
@@mr.ishmael7801 i’m NOT gay fyi
@@gay4pay882 yes you are 😌
The loud obnoxious noise to let you know when to be scared is the horror equivalent of a laugh track.
Would be kinda funny if thru Pavlov dog training people started laughing at horror movie loud noises
Really good way to put it
Exactly. Lol
Hollywood thinks that fear is measured in decibels.
Just like the Monsters Inc world?
@@spooplegeist5260 New theory it is just a mystery Inc worked which went a bit crazy after cocaine got into his food
And videogames
If you can't scare the audience, startling them will do. Most of us are too stupid to understand there's a difference anyway.
@A. Lampman
I would've believed you thought what you were saying was true if you would've written "Most of us are to stupid too understand their's a difference anyway."
Whenever I think about the gangbang part, I can’t help but feel bad for the guy who had to narrate it in the audio book.
Let's hope it was a man.
It was Stephen Weber. He was glad to get work again, I imagine.
The only sad part about his performance is the vague sound of him dry grinding his mic stand during that segment.
Beverly's Dad had some choice scenes as well, as I recall.
Unless they have no qualms with narrating that kind of thing
"The first part holds up, the second part is a disaster." Man, what a bizarre and interesting coincidence.
"They had us in the first half, ngl."
How embarrassing!
Lol
I guess you just can’t make a good one about the aaa-dalts
@@yeahey5947it would have to be like Oculus or Haunting of Hill House to work. The two halves aren’t supposed to be separate
the girl's dad was the only scary part of this movie
whenever he was on screen i was like "oh god please bring the goofy horror clown back"
camhcom That scene where he corners Bev and the chase scene over the bridge down the gully were the only times I was on edge worried for the characters.
Iwas laughing at him the most so goofy
Child abuse, the scariest horror movie monster.
@@thenbhdenthusiast3699 haha
@@thenbhdenthusiast3699 haha it’s the actors portrayal that got the laughing I’m sure. It was said “ so goofy”. Maybe if he was laughing at the girl acting scared.
And I’m laughing at you because you got offended by thewildcard person opinion of an actors performance. Now I’m laughing at you even more because of your conclusions.
I hope the guy in the theater who Mike mocked saw this.
I did
I hope his reaction was a loud, "that's gotta hurt"
Redhammer627 I knew it I knew it!
When does it happen? I'm looking for a timestamp for it in the video
i legit watch this review just for that part 😂😂
The after credit scene had Pennywise crawling out the hole and a black guy with an eye patch pop out of nowhere. The black guy talks about the monster initiative and that he wasn't the only monster to kill children
Pablo Morataya played by Idris Elba,
Edwin Lara with Idris Elba as Sam L Jackson-ish
Holly shit, does Nick Fury really appears in the end ?
I think he also had a bloody Saint Benard next to him as well named Cujo...
Wow, that imaginary Idris Elba reading Sam L Jackson's Nick Fury script was just awesome, in my head, but he has to keep his own accent.
They should wait 27 years and just make the sequel with the same kids when they're older. That way it'd beat out that hack film, Boyhood!
*Twin Peaks handsign* "Meanwhile ..."
Jhan919 how is boyhood a hack? Pretty sure you don't even know what the word means
Coletrain Hetrick Hack means it's a sweaty, greying, overweight movie-reviewing man-baby in his late 30s. Mike Stoklasa, for example, is a hack. A hack fraud, in fact.
"hack" be quiet
They setup the end for it
"the second half is a.....
d i s a s t a."
I think the worst part about the contrast between "Jump scare" vs. "Disturbing/unnerving" scenes in horror is that today's major audience might not like the latter simply because they don't LIKE having fear after the movie. They don't like being scared THAT much, and therefore might not recommend a really deeply horrific film BECAUSE it made them uncomfortable or scared. It's almost like a roller coaster ride for them: they love the ups, downs, and adrenaline rush during the ride, but they definitely won't like it if it followed them after getting off. In my opinion a great horror film -- The Thing, 28 Days Later, etc. -- will force your mind to remember it at the worst of times, when you're alone and it's all dark and the only thing you can hear is your breath. IT (2017) is a fantastic rollercoaster ride! Very stylistic and visually striking as a film. It shocks the audience, but not enough for them to go back home and leave the lights on; just enough to feel spooked but feel normal the next day. I heard some of my friends stating that IT was the scariest film they've seen in a while, but like I said: I think they were just riding an adrenaline ride of fun rather than actually feeling that gut wrenching fear.
Now, I'm not saying the original IT is better or that the newer IT is better, or if making horror films into "rollercoasters" is even a bad thing -- sometimes having a movie frighten you for a couple of days isn't the most fun -- but I do believe that's where cinema is taking the horror genre now.
Fuck. Why did I spend this much time on a comment no one will read.
I take it a lot of people read it if it came up on the first page and seemed pretty well written and on topic...
Fine, I guess I don't count, but I read the damn comment anyway, and I liked it, it wasn't that good, but it had some good moments and I doubt I will ever remember this comment after I close my browser, but I enjoyed it while I was reading it.
I read it bro
I don't know if "Today's audience" is that apt a term in all honesty. More like just "Audiences". This mentality isn't exactly new. It has prevailed since the dawn of horror. Universal was quick to start turning their horror series' into action, comedy or drama over horror (See the Frankenstein, Mummy and Invisible Man series' in particular for this), this cycle was seen again with series like Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street generations later.
I'm sure you know why as well as I. It's the natural progression of something exiting a niche and entering a mainstream environment. Horror on what a super-fan would call a "Pure" level isn't exactly the most marketable to the broad demographic and the real money of the horror-market has always lied with the "Superficial horror-fans", pardon the rude way of putting it. Hell, light-horror is something I, as a massive horror enthusiast, often encourage, dismissing the notion that all horror should always be unpleasant or even made to be scary. There is great joy in things like the second half of From Dusk Till Dawn or Brain Dead.
I guess the problem is just over-saturation. With horror bigger than it's been in years, those that caused horror movies to dry up in the first place are now once again keen on striking the iron and the focus is now on the broad demographic, leaving those with passion for the subtle and surreal to starve. Or maybe it's all just perceptive. After all, quality horror has always been scarce. It's just that now alot of "Standard" horror it is being dumped on our lap at once, so finding the gems takes more effort and makes it just seem like horror is in a worse position than it actually is. Nothing has really changed, just that the scarcity of really "good" horror movies is further punctuated by how much "bad" horror is out there.
Exactly! I'm sucky at describing things, and thats what I've wanted to say.
Its the reason people will say "Oh thats just a bunch of a gore!!! Thats not scary, its just stupid gore".
As if being kidnapped and tortured and dismembered isn't a horrifying thought.
Same reason these people love Hereditary.
"You all taste so much better when you're afraid" he lets them go because he's essentially fattening them up.
@@PeterG00000 In the book, Pennywise equates it to "salting the meat".
Jacob Lynch our of the whole town the losers club were truly victimized by not only the bullies but by their personal home lives. Especially Beverly. That’s what drew them together and ultimately gave them there power over it. Pennywise loves playing with his food. Out of all the children in dairy those losers were basically marinated. They were the easiest meal he could find. Unbeknownst to Pennywise all the losers had a little of the shining. Giving them a “spidersense”😎 that kept them on the run. Which Pennywise didn’t mind because the town is his web. And having ran from Pennywise would taste that much better later. Unfortunate for Pennywise they would find strength in their belief in the love for each other and in not being afraid of Pennywise. Which weakens him and makes him/her/it afraid of the losers club.
MrAppie9090 thats because there two different types of movie monsters. Penny wise feeds on dairy like a spider with morbid intelligence and a xenomorph is an alien ant. Big difference. But ya like what ya like and vise versa. I’ll be waiting for chapter 2.😎
Peter Gorman it is an alien tho technically
@@teece92 but he never lets them go to "salt the meat." that's just something the movies put in because it's hard to do the actual reason they get away (because they have something to anchor them to the world and they aren't overwhelmed by fear of it, e.g. the bird book, or just their faith in each other)
i would even say it makes more sense if pennywise isn't even intelligent, and its agency is just something the kids project onto it in the same way it's weak to silver because they believe that. that pennywise is nothing but a horrible reflection of people's psyche and there's nothing at all behind the mirror, no will or intelligence
After the end credits, Freddie Kruger comes on a white background and talks about patience.
I clapped, I clapped because I know Spider-Man Homecoming!
Literally can't figure out whether this is sarcasm or not
Charlie Long it's not
Charlie Long It was.
I came on a white background and nobody noticed
Okay for real, Jay's lame joke about how "its ironic clowns are taking this so seriously", is legitimately one of the best jokes hes ever had. Gold star quality.
Almost Rich level.
If "It" appeared to me and manifested my fears it would just be a foot tall stack of unpaid bills.
for me it would be type 2 diabites
@@korvo3427 For me it would be type 13 diabetes
For me it would be my grandma but dementia caused her to forget my name.:(
Children's fears: Monsters, bullies, the dark
Adult's fears: Not earning enough to pay bills, in-laws visiting, another piece of their childhood being destroyed by Hollywood
to be fair personified overdue bills would be terrifying
"Why does it hate? Why is it *so* mean?"
skarletrose1 IS THAT YOU IN THERE OR THE CLOWN!? That part is so funny.
skarletrose1 lmfao.
I like sand it's course and rough
+Memories/Snapchat
But it gets everywhere? lol
it's called having an emotional breakdown, get over it Internet.
5:48 I have been laughing uncontrollably at Mike's incredulous "What the fuck?!" It's a perfect soundbite
Mike and Rich are endless soundbite material
Are you dense?
"A large noise is not scary."
*immediately cuts to commercials with large noise.*
Startling and scary are two different things, but i guess jumpscare sounds better than jumpstartle 🤷
"I think the co-author of this book is cocaine" - Jay Bauman
They should have named it "LIT" to attract the younger audience
I can think of several words ending with -IT that would make significantly more enticing titles.
+Frankenstein's Mother such as the the first three letters of the last word in your sentence
Frankenstein's Mother ya! Like tit
I bet Sony would hire this guy with 6 figures starting salary
Nah fam judging by all the 5 years old at my theater IT don't need to pander
I just binged like 30 of these
Gang bangs?
Cocaine lines?
That's what she said?
I’m watching their reviews during quarantine ❤️
@@ladynori - I've been watching them in order, getting closer to 2020!
Jay seems to have missed that during the scene where Ben is researching Derry in the library you can see an old woman in the background who appears to turn around and stare at him with a creepy grin from the other side of the library. The camera cuts back to behind his head twice and each time she appears to have inched slightly closer to him.
Extremely late respond but that seems like the only subtle thing that happens. They should’ve done more things like that
Scariest part in the movie IMO.
I looked up that scene after reading this comment and it's extremely subtle. I was looking for it and I almost missed it.
Of course he missed it, he's a hack fraud.
@@JeanMarceauxWhy is he a hack? He seems like a nice guy.
New to this channel but whoever the guy on the right is, he's talking a hell of a lot of sense. And the guy on the left is funny with minimal effort. Think i'm a fan already
wiggy waggo Yea wait till you see Rich Evans. That man is a god among men.
rich evans is actually the reason my brother cant get into RLM
i introduced him to the laugh too soon, he wasnt ready
Finn Haverkamp Should also recommend the plinkett reviews.
wiggy waggo all their stuff is great watch pre req too
wiggy waggo The guy on the left is Rich Evans, the guy on the right is his wife.
IT TOOK 27 YEARS TO MAKE
Ithood?
Ithood?
Ithood?
Ithood?
ITHOOD, ITS FUCKING AMAZING
the beginning of every "scary" scene is actually scary because it starts subtle. like the woman in the painting lingering in the shadows for like 10 seconds or when one burnt disgusting hand slowly comes out of the door. then they just ruin it by over killing it lol
John Wayne Gacey did more damage to “clown Pr” than any SK book-to-movie adaption
What’s SK?
@@knowthycell stephen King
@@johnmalm2701 I know. I don’t know why I thought that would be funny
I know so many people who are specifically afraid of clowns because of IT the novel.
How would we know when to be scared if there wasn't a loud noise to accompany it?
I know right? Creepy imagery, atmosphere and tension building are so passé. Loud noises and musical cues (and random cats jumping into frame) are super scary af.
I don’t know when to laugh at a comedian unless they come down from the stage and tickle me.
Only sequence that sticks with me from the new IT is when the kid is reading about the history of the town at the library. There's a woman in the background who stares at him from between two bookshelfs. No sounds, no sudden movements, just her (probably Pennywise in disguise) looking at him.
Why are you talking about poltergeist with walls?
I notice that lady every fucking time! And it’s not even mentioned anywhere! She just stares at him! It’s super creepy, definitely the most on edge I was while watching the movie.
honestly didn't notice this, but that's probably because everything else in the movie was so telegraphed and in the foreground of each shot that i wasn't conditioned to pay attention to anything going on in the background, it is legitimately creepy though, probably the creepiest shot in the whole film
The movie needed more of that for sure.
@@Robstar100 who said anything about poltergeist? What are you even talking about?
Wait you didn't see the post-credits scene where Spider-Man swings in?
and then fades to dust.
They're setting up Pennywise to steal the declaration of independence
@@oh-not-the-bees7872 I haven't laughed that hard in a while
Tim Curry is such an amazing actor. He really makes the scene do it’s job.
It is fair. Tim Curry does not get enough credit.
Watched the TV movie with my sister when I was about 6 and Tim Curry haunted me in my nightmares as IT until like 15
If I ran into Pennywise, he would probably turn into my worst fear. Rich Evans
BEEP BEEP RICHIE EVANS
Going back and watching this review.. it's a classic. When Jay makes a bad joke he reminds me of how my dog looks when I catch him pooping in the house.
Lake Mungo has 1 jump scare, and it's the scariest jump scare i've ever seen because of all the tension.
Sagara Raven I would argue it’s not even jumpscare, BUT it did take me by surprise, so I guess it counts.
It's one of those scares that becomes more haunting as it begins to dawn on you that what you are looking at defies any explanation. To this day, when I think about that scene, it scares me just trying to comprehend it. You just see it and sit there as a cold chill climbs up your back.
Love Lake Mungo
Yes, the jump scare in Lake Mungo still haunts me.
Yes it was perfect. THAT'S how a jumpscare is done. Not even any sound used from what I remember.
Stephen King's It has the potential to be the single scariest horror film ever made, and it never will be, because Stanley Kubrick is dead and the fat cats don't respect you.
ImperfectWeapons like they mentioned, if Fukunaga had stayed attached to the project I think we would have gotten the film we wanted to see.
Matt G didn't fukanaga want to turn stan into a goldfish and have IT appear as a giant starfish at the end tho?
Fury road I also read that Fukunaga ALSO had the child orgy scene in the script. I could be wrong, tho, so take my words lightly.
TooCooFoYou I don't think he did, but Bev and her dad had a much more intense scene, and bowers had a couple very disturbing scenes that would have probably caused some people to walk out of the movie
Funny enough, King absolutely hated the film adaptation of The Shining. I always found it interesting one of cinemas most beloved films was hated by its original creator
The Pennywise jumpscare + Down with the Sickness is my new favorite thing.
InfinityMusclePants hy
During the writing of IT was the height of his drugs, drink and Listerine addiction... he wasn't sober for years !!!
Wasn't Cujo the peak? He literally can't even remember writing that book from how fucked up he was at the time.
Michael Meyer As someone who has actually read Tommyknockers, that is COMPLETELY believable.
The crazy backstory about the source of the evil is all an homage to H. P. Lovecraft and "The Yog-Sothoth". It's not just cocaine, it's an attempt to write a modern horror novel in the style of Lovecraft, hence the crazy detailed obsession with provincial history.
It's weird to say this, but Tim Curry as the clown was subtle, despite being completely over the top. When Georgie discovers the clown in the storm drain, Tim Curry acts like how a real clown would act, entertaining a kid. The situation of a clown in a storm drain is what's making it creepy despite both the kid and the clown acting normally. Then the clown starts saying weird things but in a cheerful way which causes the back of our minds to tell us something is seriously wrong. THEN that's when the teeth come out. It isn't just a jump scare, loud noise, scare chord or annoying fast-forward editing.
While Tim acts like a real clown, that's not how Pennywise is presented in the book. Him being an otherworldly being with no real physical form, he doesn't fully understand what having one is like, or how to act human and they nailed that aspect in the new film with his eyes looking in two directions/never making eye contact at all, the slow and off speaking pattern, the drooling, and the erratic movements.
I would have liked there to not be a loud noise or a silly shot of him like, chomping his arm like a cartoon, but once it's on Bluray it can be easily edited to remove that kind of stuff.
ltflak I see where you're coming from but I actually prefer the new one. He feels much more like an ancient evil entity that's trying to mimic human behaviour and can't help but salivate upon seeing a defenseless kid for him to prey on. I don't dislike Curry's portrayal though, he's also good in his own right.
I also liked the arm chomping scene. It's not everyday a horror movie shows a child being mutilated and going into this I'd completely forgotten it was rated R so that caught me off guard.
Well, if I'm remembering correctly, whenever he had the teeth out, wasn't it just an awkward zoom on his face? That's not all that scary either; it's more just over-the-top.
Yeah I haven't seen the new movie yet nor did I have an opinion (naturally) on it before watching this review, but when they showed that part in this video I literally, LITERALLY cringed. Is Pennywise a fan of Lena Headey's portrayal of Cercei Lannister now? "Take I-T."
ltflak Bill skarsgard and Tim Curry are both superb in their own ways. The problem is the loud jump scare noise edit that ends everytime Bill is finished talking
Thats exactly Stephen King in a nutshell. 25 ideas all at once shoved into one Narrative. That and *A LOT* of Cocaine. There's a reason IT is so insane.
substitute "insane" for bad and this is top comment
It is a good book.
It's a great book. Have no idea what people are complaining about.
@@politicallycorrectredskin796 I guess my only complaint would be the underage gangbang
"I'm friends with a ghost on facebook" is the definition of a Japanese light novel title. I swear that's the only time I see a story with the basic plot AS the title, and I think it's hilarious every time.
Human x ghost is pretty popular for a niche subgenre, so yeah lmfao there are plenty of manga, LNs, VNs and anime doing this concept already.
I'm not really overly interested, myself. Unless I see r18 on the cover, then I'll buy it
My Facebook Ghost Can't Be This Cute!
@@TheSlammurai oh nooooo
Did you guys hear about the trailer for the sequel? THEY'RE GONNA DO THE ADULTS!!
So chocking
I honestly think that the Jump Scare has killed the modern horror format. Many of the scariest horror films of all time didn't have one jump scare and relied on storytelling, mood, and subtleties to create a disturbing atmosphere. Now, people seem to have forgotten the difference between being scared and startled. A quality horror film should stick with you long after it is over because it scared you, this can't happen if all the scares are just loud noises that make you jump. I remember all the best horror films I have ever seen used to make me afraid to leave my room or go outside at night when i was younger they affected me so much... I don't think a film has had an impact on me like that since the first time I saw The Ring 15 years ago.
Heh, remember that South Park Cloverfield episode? "I am SO startled right now"
+tankmaster1018 That's an excessive and overblown conclusion, nothing has "killed" it, good horror movies in the "modern" format you describe come out every year
tankmaster1018 This is why the Ju-On movies are the "scariest" movies out there to me. Takako Fuji as Kayako is the freakiest thing ever.
The exorcist did have a kind of jump scare with "the face" flashing up in a way that you could miss it or notice it in a way that you don't actually pick up on which is still pretty clever to this day. The silence of the dream that goes alongside it adds to the intensity and is then broken by the scream straight after.
brokenyard I had actually hoped that episode would put an end to the trend, or at least slow it down a bit. But alas, here we are
The part where Pennywise abruptly stops chuckling with Georgie to silently stare at him is genuinely disturbing, so this movie felt like it had its heart in the right place even with all the jump scares.
Best scene in the movie. It felt like it belonged in a different one.
That scene played well. Some of the other subtle moments worked well also. when Beverly comes in and the television is telling people to "take your friends to the sewer and go inside". That was ruined later by the Henry dad scene of course.
I also liked when mike was getting assaulted and saw pennywise watching / waving that child's arm.
98% of the other scares depended on shaky camera and LOUD noises, which is lame.
i also liked the part in the library when the old lady just stares at ben in the background while hes looking through the books.
“A lil young fore yea Aye Richie?!? What’s a matta?? Oneee Ballooon Not Enough?!? TRY A BUNCH!!!”
E"xthuse me thir, do you have Printhe Albert in a can? You do? Well ya better let the poor guy out! Uwah uwah uwah uwah!"
To add to a conversation from nearly a year ago, I think that the Jump Scare is bad because it doesn't ring true to the "true" definition of horror. When reading around about Cosmic Horror, I heard one of the best examples of what real horror should be.
"True horror in media is when you are afraid to go to bed. It lingers in the back of your mind. It's the kind of horror that makes you instinctively feel like you are not alone in a room, but you aren't afraid to turn around. You can just feel it cast a shadow and be unsettling."
That to me, is a good baseline to go for when making a horror movie.
Have you watched lake mungo? That's something that'll stick with ya.
I always wonder what Kubrick's version of IT would be like?
Exactly.
Jw Nj poorly developed kid characters, a overly sexualized pennywise, unnerving but ultimately hollow because you don't give a shit about the main characters. The shining is a classic because of directing, it's writing on the other hand is weak and pathetic. Jack is insane from the start and does not have a arc, the kid has no real agency, the mother is fucking annoying.
Yeah I get the Jack is crazy from start but you know the movie tells you from the beginning something terrible will happen soon, which is why I always wished Robin Williams took the role.
Jw Nj
how about good?
Good is too little maybe something like unique.
Still waiting for VHS-player I send you, to get fixed. It's been three years now.
Are you the guy he called in the new episode? Because it’s fixed now
@Son Of Cherve It is called a VCR.
The are busy! Hold your horses dude... LMAO!
Harry Anderson punching a rubber spider was the finale of Night Court too.
"it's a great premise" kind of sums up Stephen king's stories
He really is a total hack
@@hendrickcavvendish6634the books always string you along because he’s got an engaging writing style. Then the book ends and you think about it and it’s like, how did I read all 1,000 pages of something so stupid?
I've become heavily invested in the Plinkett wedding storyline. Stop messing with my feelings like this you hack frauds!
All that happens at the very end of the credits is Pennywise laughs goofily over the title card. After cleaning that theater multiple times, I've gotten sick of it.
Moxie Crimefighter Thank you for your service.
I've never neard the phrase "underage gang bang" so many times.
It's almost midnight and I have work tomorrow. Why am I watching six year old Half in the Bags? ... again 😭
When this movie hits Blu Ray, I'm gonna make a fanedit that cuts out the loud noises for Jay.
And at the end, jumpscare cut to metal.
Come through with it please
I *will* deliver
Franklin Barnes We'll be waiting
Franklin Barnes I was gonna do the same thing without an end jumpscare GENIUS! kinda. I was gonna do the same but I don't have that kind of money being a kid
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We need more comments like this lol :P
Alienrun no, we need to regurgitate memes like a T U M S F E S T I V a L
Zwish King After all this, I could throw a Tums Festival.
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44:33 - "Life.... is a nightmare"
One of my all time favourite Mike quotes
You thought the jump scares in this one were bad.... OH BOY
Replace the clang sound jump scares with the bwang! And Shakey cam scares.
dear god so annoying.
@@krugerstan you see I know it's a scary scene because the screen is shaking. Thank you movie for telling me when I should be scared.
@Michael Silve I laughed so hard when they said it was like a Goosebumps movie. That Fortune cookie scene was especially hilariously bad. When they were arguing over the fortunes it felt like a parody of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
@Michael Silve if I saw this when I was 5 maybe I would have been scared. But now that I'm 16 it felt like I was watching a marvel movie.
*Pennywise transforms into zombie creature to scare Mike
Mike "WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FACE?"
Mike would be great in a B- movie.
I know no one's reading this but I gotta get it off my chest. Mike's parents are not dead in the book, that's another huge, unnecessary change by the film.
It's social media, everyone is reading your comment. Thanks !
No one is gay either, unless it's so subtle I missed it. Trust Hollyweird to make meaningless changes though.
Fishslap 33 Who is gay in the movie? They were all checking out Beth in the movie...
Fishslap 33 From what I’ve heard, no one was gay in the book, though some people noticed there was some unintentional gay subtext in it. I remember when the 2017 movie came out, I did hear that Richie was going to be gay in an earlier script of the movie, but it was left out in the final version. I admit that since it wasn’t brought up before Chapter 2 it definitely feels like it came out of nowhere, though I guess I was fine with it since I remembered the original rumor.
@@@nerdwarp112 Didn't the guy with asthma need one of the other boys present to be able to perform when they had their teenage orgy? Maybe my mind is going, and it's been decades since I read the book, but I do seem to remember something like that.
Found RLM while looking for IT reviews some months ago. Have been obsessed ever since. Bless y'all.
When he said Lake Mungo was the movie he saw that last gave him goosebumps, I jumped out of my chair in camaraderie because that was the last one I saw too that had that affect and I saw it last week. Horror movies dont get to me anymore, they are just fun now if anything but that one reminded me of how I felt when I was 12 and laying in bed with my mind wandering being afraid of having bad dreams about creepy shit I saw in The Ring or something.
last one for me was the strangers. It got me because it felt pretty real. there were things like the record skipping that felt freaky to me. I dont watch much horror though. and that was like 12 years ago. i was less critical back them. would be neat to see it again an see if its still any good to me
There was a few legitimately creepy moments, like the scene in the library in which the librarian seemed to be staring and smiling at the kid but it was out of focus so it was difficult to know if she was or not. Stuff like that worked really well, but the problem is that their wasn't enough of that.
MrDamsky100 yea, I legitametly thought that the beginning with Georgie being killed by IT was was great
MrDamsky100 That was my favorite scare in the movie. Subtle, understated, and easy to miss if you're not paying attention.
MrDamsky100 speaking of library scenes in It...
The library scene in the second half of the original. haHAA
I thought there were a lot of moments that would have been great if the sound track wasn't constantly elbowing me in the ribs and shouting "BOY THIS SURE IS SCARY HUH?!?!" Like when Pennywise appears in the storm drain, or the bit Jay mentioned with the head in the tree, or the scene where the painting comes to life and is kind of only subtly moving. I thought those could all have been legitimately creepy moments if literally the only change you made was to the soundtrack.
MrDamsky100 disagree. I found it just to misdirect. It was clearly frozen like crazy and then just nothing. Is the opposite of a jump scare and i have to agree with the other commenter. Boy o boy the music was a punch to the face.
Watch that scene where Ben is flipping through the book again. Every time the perspective changes to look at Ben, the librarian who gave him the book is just standing in the background, slightly out of focus, with the most evil smile on her face, getting a little closer with each shot. It's fucking creepy, and subtle enough to make me wonder if I missed some other stuff like that throughout the rest of the movie.
But Ben doesn't notice it... So what purpose does it serve other than creeping the audience out?
Except it serves no fucking purpose whatsoever. What is the point of having it there if nobody BUT the audience sees it. It's like that stupid cliche in horror movies where the killer's behind the character, but when they turn around it's gone. Tell me what was necessary about it other than "SPOOKY"
Except I'm not shitting on the film, I'm asking a question which you have failed to even answer. You say my argument's retarded, yet you haven't even made a single fucking point. Instead, you raised a straw man and suggested I was complaining about subtlety when I was ASKING what point it is to have that included in the film if it adds nothing to the overall movie.
Ben doesn't need to notice it for it to add tension and suspense to the movie. There's a Hitchcock quote, where he explains suspense, and describes a scene in which two people sitting at a table are having some innocuous conversation, but the audience knows there's a bomb under the table that will explode within minutes. If we decide that something being spooky isn't reason enough to include it in a spooky horror movie, we can also view it thematically. It serves to enforce the idea that there's something wrong with the adults of Derry, they can't be counted on by kids for dealing with this threat. You've got abusive parents, people driving by in a car without giving so much as a stern words to the bullies in the act of mutilating a kid, pharmacists hitting on underage girls, and a creepy librarian hungrily watching a little boy as he reads about a disaster in which dozens of children were blown to pieces. The kids are on their own, nothing else can help them.
Thank you for clarifying, that makes sense. And you were able to explain it without resorting to insulting me over asking a question.
I liked the librarian staring at Ben in the background, she’s blurry so you’re not supposed to focus on her but it looks like she has a big grin on her face
"I'm friends with a ghost on facebook" sounds like a Jerry Springer show title
The loud, stupid audio cue that accompanies every scare in every goddamned modern horror movie is the horror equivalent of the laugh track. The creators of the movie don't have enough confidence in either their own writing or the intelligence of their audience, and so feel the need to tell you "this is the part that's supposed to be scary."
If they keep making Paranormal Activities movies, they'll probably get there
I wouldn't know. I gave up after the third one, and just know the others by reputation. Honestly, from the first three, I think that people go to see them for the same reason that they eat at McDonalds. Nobody actually *wants* it, but it's there, and you know what to expect, and sometimes you just turn off your standards and go to see/eat it
The way I see it, it has to be like this. If they made movies that were legitimately scary, the bozos in the audience might go into cardiac arrest. The world would be a better place, but the studio wouldn't be able to make as much money, so we're stuck.
DefinitelyNotYakra I actually thought the first paranormal activity was done pretty well. It created a real sense of dread and an unsettling atmosphere, I just think it had a really hard time building up to a huge pay off (still better than how Blair witch project ended). I thought the final shot was well done, albeit a little "expected" (in the sense that it was the "horror" movie cliche money shot). Keep in mind it was a film made with a several thousand dollar budget. The second and third were pretty bad in comparison, and had small remnants of what made the first so unsettling, and they had a few clever shots (like the scene with the furniture falling from the ceiling). I didn't see the last one because by then I was checked out.
It's the Editors that spoil the broth of every movie
Thank Christ I thought I had to form my own opinion about this movie for a minute.
Kaefer1973 Well the point is us who have the same opinion as them can now boss it over you, it feels quite good.
I always find monsters that stalk you and appear in the background etc. Much scarier than something that jumps out at you because, if it's there I mean you could quite easily just punch it in the face or something which makes it less omnipotent and therefore less scary
Omnipotent is a word I'm now adding to my vernacular, thank you
Omnipotent is a word I'm now adding to my vernacular, thank you
“‘They have to do the ah-dults.’ What the fuck? Are you dense?!”
Mike: "I'm going to use a metaphor 'it's LIKE a giant stew pot." ACTUALLY MIKE. That's a simile.
lol
simile and similar have the same root word
Actually, no one gives a fuck!
No, it's a metaphor. He's using the stew as a representation of the movie, not as a reference. A simile is something like "His eyes were like fire" (dangerous, intense, etc.) - it's a comparison of qualities/attributes. If he was saying "The film is like a stew" to imply that the film is warm, comfortable, homely, etc. (or even just "it has ingredients") THEN it would be a simile, but that's not what he was doing. He's using stew ingredients as a substitution for film ingredients in order to illuminate what does and doesn't work. It's a metaphor.
I know high school teaches "'like a' or 'as a' = simile, 'is a' = metaphor" but it's not that simple.
@@NinjaKurosai Then you either had a crappy teacher or you're misremembering the lesson.
The librarian behind Ben freaked me out more than the pictures he was looking at ! In that scene she was in the background all hunched and leery/had Pennywise vibes.
I noticed that too! Was the scariest part for me. She was looking directly at him with a huge grin...
Me too. I was sure she was going to do something but she never did. Which might have made is scarier.
Def. the best creepy part of the whole movie. If the rest was more restrained like this, it could have been way better imo.
When I was working in customer service one of my customers, who was a Stephen King fanboy, told me that if I read "IT" and didn't like it, he'd buy me any other book of my choice. So, I read "IT" and didn't like it - and he called me a liar and refused to buy me another book. I thought the chapters with the kids were mostly great, and the chapters with the adults were terrible. In the end, the adult story and the gangbang drug it down too far and I came away feeling like I'd wasted my time.
I am not a big fan of King, anyway. He has written a few books that I've enjoyed - Pet Sematary, Christine, The Stand - but he relies on way too much filler and if you actually break down some of his descriptions, beyond their first impression, you realize they are nonsense. I tried rereading "Salem's Lot" but when nothing happened in fifty pages I realized it was pointless.
Half in a Baaaaaaag.
Always love the drunk voice
"Life is a nightmare"
-Mike Stoklasa
WAIT HOW COULD JAY MAKE A NIGHT COURT REFERENCE IF THE VCR IS BROKEN!?!?!?! HITB IS UNRAVELING BEFORE OUR EYES
The turtle's name is Maturin, you know that's his name, Jay, say it!!
So I watched Lake Mungo. No jump scares as Jay said, and extremely creepy. The very end of the movie gave me the worst feeling of dread. Even through the credits, all of the photos, and the music. That's the kind of stuff that is relatable in a way. It reminded me of the story for Twin Peaks, but honestly, better in a way because it feels like a real documentary.
I watched it alone at 3 am😎😎😎
The 'stew pot' metaphor is probably one of the best descriptions of that book I've ever seen xD
Lightpoint he used the word like, so it was actually a simile.
Lake Mungo torrent seeds suddenly shoot through the fucking roof.
Kokoro Wish Really? Haha
Legit, about to sail over to PB now.
The Jay Bauman effect
Kokoro Wish oh yeah, im getting in on that shit. thank you.
40:13 That part still cracks me the hell up.
Love how Jay always randomly throws in good movie mentions in these popular horror movie reviews. This is where I get my horror movie watch list from. so far it hasn't disappointed yet
Someone needs to compile a list of Jay recommends, he's almost always on point.
Apostle and lake mungo! I will never watch em again but I'm glad I watched them once cuz of Jay's off hand recommendations.
It was a lot better than the train wreck that was The Dark Tower film at least.
Occult Demon Cassette was it really tho?
I haven't seen that, nor looked at any reviews. The moment I saw a trailer I knew it was going to be absolutely terrible, even without trying to compare it to a book.
I wonder if the second part of IT will attempt to tie in to the Dark Tower as a... CINEMATIC UNIVERSE!!
til_thasmokeclearz yes
They are connected already. There are other worlds than these. The turtle that created the world in IT is a beam guardian. "See the turtle, ain't he keen..."
BEEP BEEP RICH EVANS
Lake Mungo actually did have ONE subtle jumpscare that was timed in the movie PERFECTLY.
And yeah, the night I watched it I was pretty fricken unsettled LOL.
I almost died from that down with the sickness joke. So fucking hilarious great job guys and I also agree with you. 90s It was better in some parts. I was laughing mostly through this film
I want to look up stuff about the underage gangbang but I'm scared to google it.
Erick Wright
Don't. It's not worth it. Unless you'd like to take a seat over there...
Erick Wright don't google it. I love the novel, but just don't even bother with that shit.
Erick Wright
If you really want to know about it that badly, but would also like to avoid being put on an FBI watch list, maybe type in "It love scene".
Read the book
Maybe try "It sewer scene"?
I watched Lake Mungo after hearing Jay recommend it, I was completely not prepared for how terrifying that was. It made me feel physically ill multiple times, I can't recommend it enough.
Wow, you're a real hero. Here's a medal. It wasn't 'scary' per say, it was unsettling. It effectively built an uncomfortable atmosphere, and was narratively very interesting. Also, it was hardly a jumpscare, you saw it coming, there was no jump, no loud music sting, just an unsettling image and an interesting implication.
There was a jump, dude. The fucking picture of her all fucked up and gross was just randomly BAM right there.
TeddyShrooms That's called a cut. It happens when a movie wants to cut between shots? I kid, but I'd remain pretty steadfast in it not being a 'jump.' There's an art to the buildup, and the slow walk towards her own corpse. This startles you in the same way the too close shots in Inland Empire screw with your sense of comfort, it's very unsettling when films actively break your personal space. It gives you a brief moment of respite, then puts you back in front of the corpse, taking you way to close to this familiar yet unsettling image.
@@aqualitymagentachickenmask3298 Watch it again, there's a jump. After the cut to safety it cuts back to the still image, and suddenly the footage resumes with a rush and a frightening noise. The doppelganger either rushes at Alice or Alice throws her phone at it, very hard to tell what's happening. The first part wasn't a jump-scare I'll agree, but that's in part to disarm you. You think the scare is over. It's masterfully done, probably the greatest jump-scare in cinematic history, and so earned.
I love when you guys reference The Langoliers. One of my all-time favorites!!
Lake Mungo is such a good, scary movie. I love it and I feel validated hearing Jay sing its praises.
There was some subtle creepy parts too in the background of some shots of this movie. Like when the kid is in the library studying, right before he sees the red balloon the librarian lady is grinning super creepy and just glaring at him behind him. Movie never points this out but I found it bizarre and creepy.
Janitra Woodard Yeah that and also the TV program before it was made obvious if your not paying attention it was totally penny wise the entire time.
Orexxer thought I was the only one that saw that! Super creepy and awesome
I lol'd at "Down With the Sickness".
It was defenetly down with the sickness...I'd recognize Distrubed anywhere...
Alienrun yea they were mocking dawn of the dead
how about instead of Bev being kidnapped by Pennywise and later saved by the rest of the main characters - it is Stan who is captured. while under the hypnosis of the dead-lights he is so terrified that even after being saved by his friends, just the memory of the experience is so traumatic he is driven to suicide later in life. i think that makes more sense.
Can we just appreciate the fact that at 43:52, when she hits unfriend with her laptop trackpad, we hear a stock sound effect of a computer mouse clicking?
I was very disappointed about the missleading title "IT 2017". There was not one single computer in the main plot!
Fusspilzsammler aus Leidenschaft hahaha why did it have to take place in 1989? You forgot the giant sky beam.
Well, in that one scene Ritchie was playing Street Fighter. That's sort of a computer.
The regular, more common version of SF1 used the six-button layout and the "Deluxe" version used the pressurized buttons.
SMELL THAT DERRY AIR!
BEEP BEEP RICHIE
a Kyrandia player? since we're all going retro and sheeyit.
I love how at 40:16 they use the end credits for The Day After Tomorrow, such a nothing movie that no one gives a shit about. It’s so fucking obscure I find it hilarious
I just found this channel recently and I wasnt entirely sure how I felt about it (reviews are typically not my thing) but after the past few days of watching, I knew I really enjoyed them and there content when I got home from a shit day at work and didnt feel relaxed at home till I heard that little piano entry. Fucking grade A content
"I think the co-author of the book is cocaine." That line fucking got me holy shit.
Jason Landry And Mike gave him nothing for that gem. Shame.
Jason Landry I love it too